TUESDAY, JANUARY 21, 2025
Also, secrets leak out on The Five: We know! This morning, in a burst of temporary madness, we promised to share the history of the naming of Denali—that is to say, of the former and possibly future Mount McKinley.
According to the leading authority, the story starts like this:
Denali
[...]
The Koyukon people who inhabit the area around the mountain have referred to the peak as "Denali" for centuries. In 1896, a gold prospector named it "Mount McKinley" in support of then-presidential candidate William McKinley, who later became the 25th president; McKinley's name was the official name recognized by the federal government of the United States from 1917 until 2015. In August 2015, 40 years after Alaska had done so, the United States Department of the Interior announced the change of the official name of the mountain to Denali.
As you can see by clicking that link, the story continues from there. Here's a bit more detail about this long-running dispute:
The Alaska Board of Geographic Names changed the name of the mountain to Denali in 1975, which was how it is called locally. However, a request in 1975 from the Alaska state legislature to the United States Board on Geographic Names to do the same at the federal level was blocked by Ohio congressman Ralph Regula, whose district included McKinley's hometown of Canton.
Alaska had officially named it Denali. But thanks to some congressmen from President McKinley's thereby insulted state of Ohio, the federal government kept deciding to just say no.
Unless some misnaming is involved, it turned into a long-standing showdown between the Alaska Board of Geographic Names and the United States Board on Geographic Names. Thanks to a certain president's landslide win, this whole thing may now get straightened out.
Thanks to that leading authority, an even fuller account of the matter is available here. That said, who decrees the name by which a body of water, or a mountain, is supposed to be known?
Apparently, an agency called the United States Board on Geographic Names is sometimes involved—but you can take it from there. At this point, we're going to pass on our earlier promise in favor of news of The Five.
Last evening, the gang were broadcasting live and direct from frigid and snowy D.C. At the very end of the Fox News Channel show, Judge Jeanine copped to this:
DANA PERINO (1/20/25): So we are going to see a lot of changes tomorrow morning. I'll be back in New York City with Bill Hemmer as we have the first of what will be many exciting days.
Karoline Leavitt, the White House press secretary—just behind us in that building there, she'll have her first press briefing. No doubt we are in for a great experience here the next few years.
Judge, last words here?
JUDGE JEANINE: The beginning of the golden era. A happy day for Americans. All of us worked very hard for this day to come. And God bless America.
By Judge Jeanine's direct admission, all of them had worked very hard for this day to come!
In fairness, full disclosure! There's no law which says that a corporation can't establish a "cable news" channel whose employees are all "working very hard" to produce a given political outcome.
As a strictly legal matter, that's allowed under the law! It's all a question of what the employees will be willing to do to produce that favored result.
Will the employees misstate basic facts? Will they disappear basic information? Will they mislead or misinform their millions of trusting viewers?
On The Five, the employees routinely do a great many things. Here was the very strange Greg Gutfeld, speaking at the five-minute mark of last afternoon's program:
GUTFELD: During the [inaugural] speech, all I was doing was looking at Joe—watching him as four years, the last four years, was handed to him like a sizzling Trump steak.
This wasn't "In your face, Harold!" This was "In your face and up your ass, Joe!" It was humiliating.
To see him say that, click here.
For the record, this is the same boychild who wants to know if Hinter Biden has started "banging" or "BLEEPing" Jill Biden yet. This is where it has gone on this corporate "news channel" as angry flyweights seize control and Blue elites look away.
In your face, Harold? That's what this 60-year-old child routinely says to former congressman Harold Ford when Ford serves as the panel's resident alleged Democrat.
That's routinely said to Ford. According to Gutfeld, President Trump's inaugural speech was aimed at President Biden.
"In your face and up your ass, Joe!" According to Gutfeld, that's how Trump's messaging went. But so it goes on this "cable news" channel, where all the employees worked very hard for this day to come.
Yesterday afternoon, Judge Jeanine told a company secret. Gutfeld went up Biden's ass.
Can a nation survive the daily lifting of the lid from the garbage can? We think the answer is plainly no.
That said, how do we get off these dangerous slopes? And what should this mountain be called?
Who is "us"? Judge Jeanine said, "The beginning of the golden era. A happy day for Americans. All of us worked very hard for this day to come."
ReplyDeleteAccording to ordinary rules of grammar, the pronoun refers back to the nearest noun, which is "Americans". Of course, that interpretation makes no sense, since half of Americans opposed Trump. So, it's unclear what "us" she was referring to. Bob assumes it was all FoxNews employees, but there are so many other possible interpretations of "us", including:
-- Members of "The Five."
-- All Trump supporters
-- She may have used the word loosely without intending to refer to any specific "us". That is, she may have meant "A lot of people worked very hard for Trump."
Actually, more than half of Americans opposed Trump.
DeleteWhen Somerby refers to "us blues" he is not including any Democrats and certainly no liberals, progressives or lefties. Maybe a misguided centrist or confused independent, but that is a very limited group these days given the polarization in politics.
Wow, David. Maybe she was referring to "us" people named Jeanine. Or maybe "us" former judges.
DeleteBut no matter how you torture the words, "us" includes the speaker and some set of others who worked toward electing Trump.
The channel has traveled far since the days of the old "fair and balanced" conceit. The lie that Fox is not a partisan outfit can't be sustained any longer.
True, Quaker. Fox opinion was always partisan. It may well be more partisan than ever now. Fox News reports are supposed fair and balanced. I don't watch Fox, so I don't know.
DeleteStraight news represents only a small portion of what Fox broadcasts. So, I agree with you that the openly partisan nature of the opinions makes it accurate to characterize Fox as partisan.
Of course, most other stations are also partisan, but in the other direction. The PBS Newshour's definition of "balance" is to have two opposing experts each Friday. One is an anti-Trump liberal. The other is a conservative, but he is also anti-Trump.
We know this is not due to be particular individuals chosen, because when the regular anti-Trump conservative isn't available, he's replaced with another conservative who is also anti-Trump.
6:22,
DeleteYou triggered yet, bro?
Will the employees misstate basic facts, disappear basic information, or misinform their millions of viewers so the company has to shell out $787.5 million for their efforts DiC? Jesus the stupid.
Delete"Of course, most other stations are also partisan, but in the other direction."
DeleteYeah? Which ones went on the air to announce how hard they'd worked on behalf of any candidate not named Trump?
David, “us” is a personal pronoun. No rule of grammar associates it with any prevously spoken noun. It just means “a group including me”. Sometimes context gives a clue who that group might be, sometimes it doesn’t.
Delete"One is an anti-Trump liberal. The other is a conservative, but he is also anti-Trump."
DeleteThis shows how Trump has been normalized. DiC thinks this is just about normal political bias. It's not. Trump is a serial criminal, corrupt to the core, a dangerous sociopath. No journalist or commentator should be pro-Trump, regardless of their political views. It's like complaining that two commentators on opposite sides of the political aisle are both anti-Pol Pot. Well, yeah, as they should be.
'President Trump revoked U.S. Secret Service protection for John Bolton within hours of taking office, stripping his former national security adviser of the security detail he had been granted because of threats on his life from Iran. “I am disappointed but not surprised that President Trump has made this decision,” Bolton said. “Notwithstanding my criticisms of President Biden’s national security policies, he nonetheless made the decision to once again extend Secret Service protection to me in 2021.”
Delete'Mr. Trump ousted Mr. Bolton in 2019 after they had a falling-out. Mr. Bolton then wrote a book detailing his time working for Mr. Trump that enraged the president, whose administration tried to stop its publication. That move was later described by a National Security Council official who worked to vet the book to prevent classified material from being published as a process the White House politicized.'
DiC, scroll down and watch the comparison between Hitler's salute and Musk's. They are identical. And look at Musk's expression and the vigor/snap with which he does the salute. You're in denial.
Deletehttps://www.jefftiedrich.com/p/what-the-fuck-is-this
"Trump breaks promise on Day One, Watch Marco Rubio squirm"
Deletehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gq9WPFBAOrM
QinB, there is no nonpartisan media in the country. You couldn’t get a straight story from any media if you offered them the deed to a gold mine. That’s what makes Bob and his blog invaluable and it’s HIS unblinkered shot calls that make you and anonymices pull your hair out.
DeleteThis is the second time that Trump has revoked Bolton’s S.S. protection.
DeleteNo hair pulling here, Cece. My 'do is lusterous and resplendant.
Delete"Thanks to a certain president's landslide win, this whole thing may now get straightened out."
ReplyDeleteTaking one side over the other is not "straightening out" anything. When the balance of power shifts again, hopefully the name will go back to Denali.
Oddly, Somerby does not mention the interests of the native people in Alaska, who inhabited that area and named that mountain before the gold prospectors arrived. This isn't only a dispute between Alaska and Ohio (presumably also right vs left, although Alaska is not a blue state).
Many states outside of Baltimore are now acknowledging in official ways the contribution of indigenous people to the history and prosperity of their states. In CA, the native tribes maintain fire departments that rush to help whenever a wildfire breaks out. Thus they were mentioned among the people bravely fighting the recent huge fires in CA. Indigenous people don't only run casinos but contribute as good neighbors to intiatives and improvement efforts in the areas adjacent to their reservations. This happens in other states as well, from CO to South Dakota to Alaska, wherever there are indigenous people.
In CO, it is routine to read a statement about our gratitude for the historical and ongoing contributions of indegenous people, including the ownership of the land where a performing arts center or museum now exists. There are plaques reminding us of what we owe and expressing gratitude. A few weeks ago, I was reminded of our partnership with indigenous people when I charged my Tesla at a new row of charging stations on a trading post outside Cedar City in UT. Every such stop makes an EV journey more pleasant, giving us options. Canada has made a major effort to recognize and continue to incorporate indigenous people into Canadian life, including restitution and apologies for historical abuses. Evidence of that is everywhere in Canada, as it is in the Western and rural US. Republicans, of course, resist any effort to make people's lives better, including the ones that result in unity and increase partnerships with diverse people in our nation.
Somerby's assumption that any indigenous claim to naming Denali must reside long in the past and that it went away when immigrants to the area discovered gold, shows the bigoted and ignorant attitude of those who think might makes right and that not only was America free for the taking, but so is Greenland and Panama, and we can name those areas whatever we want while we plunder what was taken from others by force.
Trump thinks about everyone, all of the US citizenry, the way oblivious idiots like Somerby think about native Americans and other indigenous people everywhere. This is not being "straightened out" by Trump. He is asserting territorial rights onto people in areas where those rights are long settled, as part of his land grab and "if I want it, I will just take it" philosophy of diplomacy. Hitler wouldn't have been prouder of Trump if he had grabbed the Sudetanland with both hands, in the name of white people everywhere.
The Sudetenland was already inhabited by white people.
DeleteBut you’re right, Greenland and Panama should be renamed. How about Trumpland and Panamaga?
"Somerby's assumption that any indigenous claim to naming Denali must reside long in the past and that it went away when immigrants to the area discovered gold." What the fuck are you talking about?
Delete"Can a nation survive the daily lifting of the lid from the garbage can? We think the answer is plainly no."
ReplyDeleteIf Somerby really thinks this, he should stop doing his own garbage can lid-lifting. He can set a far better example here than he has been doing.
Jeff Teidrich blames the press for sanewashing Trump during his campaign. He says, now they are doing the same with Elon Musk's Nazi salute, pretending it was something entirely different than it clearly was. He explains how we know that Musk gave the Nazi salute (as opposed to merely an "awkward gesture" as the press is reporting. He also calls out the ADL, which is supposed to identify hate speech, not smooth the ruffled feathers of Trump supporters when they get caught supporting white supremacists.
ReplyDeletehttps://www.jefftiedrich.com/p/what-the-fuck-is-this
And he says that Robert Ellingsworth has won the entire internet with his quip about Melania's inauguration day hate:
"Where are Moose and Squirrel?"
correction: Inauguration-day hat"
Delete"Robble, robble," she didn't remark.
DeleteSomerby is so fixated on Fox that he doesn't know what is happening on the left, even though there are quite a few descriptions in Substack and among actual liberals. Here is one about the lawsuits filed in response to Trump's Monday attack on birthright citizenship:
ReplyDelete"Chief among them was an audacious and legally dubious attempt to eliminate birthright citizenship. Though immigration and civil rights groups largely blanched at Trump’s expected but unprecedented executive order, they did respond swiftly. As first reported by The Bulwark, the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) sued the administration on Monday night. The ACLU was joined by Make the Road, the League of United Latin American Citizens (LULAC), the Legal Defense Fund, and the Asian Law Caucus in defending the Fourteenth Amendment’s guarantee of birthright citizenship against Trump’s order.
“This move is an example of the new administration’s lack of regard for the constitution,” Kica Matos, the head of the National Immigration Law Center, told The Bulwark. “Attempting to repeal birthright citizenship via executive order is both absurd and unconstitutional.”
Several of Trumps executive orders are ridiculous, unconstitutional, unnecessary, and a waste of everyone's time and taxpayers' money. Grandstanding and harrassment of people who the right has scapegoated throughout Trump's campaign.
Adrian Carrasquillo at The Bulwark (quoted above) also says:
"“This move is an example of the new administration’s lack of regard for the constitution,” Kica Matos, the head of the National Immigration Law Center, told The Bulwark. “Attempting to repeal birthright citizenship via executive order is both absurd and unconstitutional.”
The executive order argues that the Fourteenth Amendment was never meant to extend citizenship universally to everyone born in the United States. It specifies that the “privilege” of U.S. citizenship does not automatically extend to people born in the country when their mother was “unlawfully present” or their mother was lawfully present but in a temporary way (in other words, through a student, work, or tourist visa) while the father was not a U.S. citizen or lawful permanent resident in either case.
That last provision, in particular, struck lawyers and immigration experts as both extreme and extra-judicial. Some dubbed it the “Kamala Harris clause” because it would, if implemented, have denied the citizenship of the now-former vice president, whose mother was here legally, but temporarily.
In addition to the ACLU suit, Democrats moved to condemn the effort with a swiftness that they did not employ for every executive order Trump issued.
“If you’re a textualist or an originalist, it’s clear the Constitution guarantees birthright citizenship, so this is blatantly illegal,” Rep. Ritchie Torres (D-N.Y.) told The Bulwark, warning that it was “highly doubtful” this “full frontal assault” on birthright citizenship would survive judicial scrutiny.
California Gov. Gavin Newsom offered just a three word statement on the order: “This is unconstitutional.”
https://www.thebulwark.com/p/welcome-to-trumps-dystopian-border
The issue of birthright citizenship isn't settled, because no court has ruled on exactly what it means. Its purpose was to make sure the freed slaves were citizens. It is unique to the United States. However, the words as written would seem to give citizenship to any child born here, regardless of their parents' status. Trump will argue that the people passing the 14th Amendment didn't understand the words to mean giving blanket birthright citizen to all babies born here. This issue will go to the Courts.
DeleteAnd the amusing thing is, it won’t matter what the original intent was, or the clear meaning of the text. The lawless conservatives on the Supreme Court will simply rule whatever their politics tell them. It’s that simple, and that broken.
DeleteIt is not true that there have been no prior rulings on the 14th Amendment and birthright citizenship. There was a case where a Chinese citizen born in the US was refused reentry under the Chinese Exclusion Act but birthright citizenship was upheld under the 14th Amendment.
Deletehttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Wong_Kim_Ark
David doesn't follow the links people post here or he would have read about that case already.
DeleteThis issue will go to Leonard Leo.
Delete"Trump will argue that the people passing the 14th Amendment didn't understand the words to mean giving blanket birthright citizen to all babies born here."
DeleteThat'll be a tough sell, even with this Trump-friendly court. He'll have to argue that "All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside" somehow doesn't mean what it plainly says.
It was so appropriate for Trump to end DEI on MLK Day, fulfilling King’s dream that people be judged on the condition of their character rather then the color of their skin.
ReplyDeleteDavid, Trump violated his own claim to remake America based on merit when he appointed so many wealthy insiders completely lacking in experience to various government positions. No one thinks Trump eliminated DEI to make American fair. It is to eliminate minorities from the positions they have earned the right to hold.
Delete5:58,
DeleteC'mon. Everyone knows David in Cal (like all Republican voters), feels bigotry---not equality---is appropriate in a great country.
Just like Pete and JFK Jr right DiC? Also for goodness sake read up on MLK Jr. Just quoting half a sentence of his over and over just makes you sound like a racist prick. How's the condition of Pete Hegseth's character David? You
DeleteThere is no way in the world Trump will overturn Affirmative Action for white people (AKA Stand Your Ground laws).
DeleteLet's not confuse David in Cal's hatred of equal opportunity with a love for merit.
DeleteThis shows that Nazi salutes have been creeping into various other MAGA events, made by a bunch of MAGA leaders:
ReplyDeletehttps://www.borowitzreport.com/p/maga-nazi-salutes-a-pictorial-history
This was from Borowitz report, which is usually humor, but the photos are chilling. Normally, a politician avoids any opportunity to be shown in photos doing this, but at best, these guys don't seem to care who they offend.
The naivety of some liberals faced with photos out of context is pathetic. How will these people deal with the world when AI produces lifelike videos of someone saying and doing whatever embarrassing thing AI is told to produce?
DeleteSo, you don't believe that the right wing is having a love affair with white supremacy? Get real.
DeleteWhere was this skepticism when the right was modifying videos of Biden to look like a doddering old codger at public functions?
DeleteNobody truly believes that people are covertly using Nazi salutes. Even white supremacists, wouldn't use Nazi salutes.
Delete"Even white supremacists, wouldn't use Nazi salutes."
DeleteYou gotta be kidding me.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blood_Tribe_(neo-Nazi_group)
Nobody sincerely believes that people are using covert Nazi salutes. Even a white nationalist wouldn't use a Nazi salute. It's too easy to catch a photo of someone in the process of raising his arm, where that instantaneous photo looks like a Nazi.
DeleteI generally like Borowitz's humor, but this is just embarrassing. TDS seems to have rotted his brain.
Yes, Quaker, neo-Nazis would use a Nazi salute. They're nut cases. But, ordinary racists would not use that salute, because it would turn people off. One can be a racist without believing that all Jews should be exterminated.
DeleteThere ate not good racists and bad racists. Racism is bad.
DeleteSo Dave, the guy who did not do two Roman Nazi salutes also is not currently stumping for the far right neo Nazi party in Germany? Do better.
DeleteAnother cartoonist takes on the Nazi salute
Deletehttps://instapundit.com/697671/
“ The character of Superman is the embodiment of hope. He was created in 1938, a year before WWII, a time when hope was needed. The public wanted a superhero who could defeat the enormous enemy that was the Third Reich, so it was the perfect time for a Superman to appear.”
DeleteNo one here wants whitewash what Musk did.
If we in this nation cannot agree that Hitler was bad, the partisan divide is too deep to mend.
DeleteGood point @10:41. Sadly that’s not so hypothetical. Hamas is similar to the Nazis, in their militance, their unwillingness to accept any outsiders or minorities, and their stated desire to kill all Jews. Yet “Twenty-one percent of US voters support the Hamas terrorist group over Israel, according to a Harvard/Harris poll.”
DeleteNazis just got the trifecta in the USA.
DeleteHamas, Nazis, and the Republican Party are three peas in a pod.
DeleteAnonymouse 1:15am, but it’s liberals tearing up campuses over Israel and wanting distinctions made on the basis of skin color.
DeleteYou’re not saying anything you haven’t been saying for years and you still lost the election to the Nazi Orange Man McDonald.
Anonymouse 9:02pm, that’s the truth, but I don’t think the left really believes it. They condemn “color-blindness” too and even think MLK was off the mark.
DeleteEveryone knows those chanting "Fascists will not replace us", are intolerant of Republicans.
DeleteBTW, what is Trump going to do about the nation's epidemic of Christians raping children?
DeleteWhen I was serving the Nazis in Budapest, that was good. Ordung. If not for the damned Russkies, we would've had ordung now.
I am George Your Lord Soros.
Name the "torn up" campuses Cecelia, also don't forget the thousands of MAGA autogolpe terrorists who tore up the Capital and have succeeded in creating a plutocracy.
Delete"creating impunity for the people who effectuate political violence on one’s behalf is the surest way to ensure that such people will, in fact, effectuate political violence on one’s behalf"
ReplyDeleteGutfield is a Right-winger, so no one can tell the difference between him and Biden's stool.
ReplyDeleteHere's something I just watched the President of the United States say, in justifying his pardons for cop-beating insurrectionists: "Murderers in this country do not go to jail."
ReplyDeleteA new era has begun.
Hector, but conservatives rioters go to jail. Some were still awaiting a trial, years later.
DeleteConservative rioters get pardons.
DeleteAnonymouse 9:16am, so do all of Biden’s family members.
DeleteCecilia,
Deleteboo hoo hoo hoo hoo hoo hoo. Poor little lie-believing, bear-spray pesudo insurrectionists actually had to be in jail for beating up cops who were doing their job. Awwwwwww.
Maybe the lesson is if you commit a pseudo-insurrection while beating up cops along with 1,500 others, it may take awhile for you to be served your helping of justice. Did that occur to you?
I remember one O. J. Simpson not going to jail.
DeleteAnd that was a long time ago. How is this a "new era"?
@Hector 9:44 AM
DeleteI don't know you personally, but I still remember the times when self-identified "lefties" spoke tenderly of "civil disobedience". And of course back then, for resisting the cops people would get arrested and then let go next day; not sentenced to 20 years in jail.
And then suddenly you are all "law&order", and for the long prison terms now? Hey, what gives, dude?
Please note that the statement of President Koo Koo was not in reference to a single aberration but couched in terms of an ongoing routinization.
DeleteThanks for the chance to clarify.
9:58,
Deleteif your post is to have any point, it would have to be true that I am now, or ever have been, a 'self-identified leftie'.
This is not the case. Thanks for the chance to clarify.
so do all of Biden’s family members.
DeleteOnly because orange chickenshit has very proudly and publicly promised to use his justice department to harass the Biden family. He literally fucking campaigned on this promise, and then he appointed a maniac Kash Patel to be Director of the FBI. What the fuck is wrong with you people?
DeleteAh, yes, certainly. Someone getting upset that people will not stay locked up for decades for some light brawling with cops action, he obviously has to be of some kind of a unique political persuasion.
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DeleteAh, but you intentionally misconstrue the facts. No one was in danger of being 'locked up for decades for some light brawling with cops'.
DeleteYour post was not honorable.
Hector, don’t suggest these people haven’t served any time and then say “boo-hoo” to me when I point out that they have been jailed. Those people who were jailed ( but not all) went thru a process of being investigated, charged, tried, jailed. However, Biden has effectively made that entire process moot for his family members and members of his staff, advisers, etc.
DeleteI think four years has been enough for the non-connected working class guys. Move on.
Cecilia,
DeleteNothing in my post suggested 'these people' haven't served any time.
Nor did I 'boo-hoo' you for saying they were jailed. I 'boo-hooed' you for suggesting their pardons could be justified by the fact that some were jailed for years pending trial. I pointed out that the massive number of J6 cases had strained the justice system, and I will add that the only ones jailed pending trial were those a judge deemed enough of a threat to warrant this.
You then state falsely some people were jailed without being 'investigated'.
You then state enigmatically that four years is enough for 'working-class' guys. Whether four years is enough depends on the crime, not the socio-economic status of the criminal.
Consider your post thoroughly refuted.
Fuck off, Cecelia. No one was given 4 years prison time for minor offences.
Delete@10:22 AM
DeleteI didn't "misconstrue" anything.
You described it as "beating up cops who were doing their job" @9:44 AM. And since the cops weren't immobilized in any way, and certainly did their own beating (killing at least two of the protesters, incidentally), I see "light brawling with cops action" as a greatly improved (as compared to yours) description of the event.
And yes, people were getting sentences over 20 years long.
Anonymouse 10:36pm, I didn’t claim that, Hillary, and that wasn't the scenario that caused my response.
DeleteHector, you didn’t issue refutations, just clarifications of your own rhetoric.
DeleteThere’s no doubt you’re upset that they’ve been pardoned or that you want them to pull longer stretches, but you didn’t have to emphasize that via rhetoric that suggests they’ve were buzzed kissed in the eyeball rather than thoroughly frenched.
10:42,
DeleteYour misconstruals continue.
"And since the cops weren't immobilized in any way"
"There were 138 officers (73 Capitol Police and 65 Metropolitan Police) injured, of whom 15 were hospitalized, some with severe injuries" (cite at bottom).
Officer Brian Sicknick died on January 7 after being bear-sprayed.
"and certainly did their own beating"
This is most often known as self-defense (or was it the Capitol Police who stormed the protestors?)
"(killing at least two of the protesters)"
I'm only aware of one protester who died, and she died after being trampled by her fellow protesters.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aftermath_of_the_January_6_United_States_Capitol_attack#:~:text=There%20were%20138%20officers%20(73,They%20dragged%20three%20D.C.
10:42,
DeleteThere's one more of your falsehoods calling out for refutation:
"people were getting sentences over 20 years long"
Only a single person received a sentence of longer than 20 years, Enrique Tarrio, who rather than being convicted of 'light brawling with cops" was convicted by a jury of his peers of multiple felonies, the primary one being 'seditious conspiracy.'
He is, in other words, a traitor.
"De-fund the police" is the milquetoast, centrist position.
DeleteHector 11:20am, “longer than 20 years”?
DeleteI had no idea. I wouldn’t have believed a 20-year sentence was meted out. I wonder if most people know this info.
You have to see this to believe it:
https://www.axios.com/2023/09/01/jan-6-longest-sentences-list
Delete"This is most often known as self-defense (or was it the Capitol Police who stormed the protestors?)"
No, it's not known as "self-defense". The cops were perfectly capable of letting the protesters walk in, and many of the cops did just that. During the numerous 2020 BLM protests (the "mostly peaceful" kind), all the cops everywhere avoided any brawling with the protester, as far as I'm aware.
"He is, in other words, a traitor."
Accusing political protesters of all kinds of crimes is the standard procedure of all regimes. This person was convicted and sentenced, like all the others, in connection with the protest of 1/7/2021. Which you yourself described as "beating up cops". He's got 22 years sentence for his participation in a "beating up cops" event. And no, no cops died in that event.
Finally, I understand that you disagree with what I said. But all your disagreements are interpretational, not factual. Therefore, accusing me of "falsehoods" can only means that you know you lost the argument. Or that you're an idiot, but I'm giving you benefit of the doubt.
12:07,
DeleteYou are correct that no cops died during the event. Brian Sicknick died the day after. On behalf of the Sicknick family, I apologize.
And what's that supposed to mean? The guy wasn't injured, he finished his shift and walked home. He died the next day. Yes, people die, Hector.
DeleteYes they do.
DeleteWhen you call them protesters, does it bother you at all that they were protesting something that hadn't happened? (stolen election.)
Name one prominent Dem advocating for defunding the police. It was a horrible BLM originated slogan that was short for spend more money on counseling and less on enforcement. Speaking of crime families what use is a $Trump meme coin other than foriegn governments to stuff his wallet. Also investigate Jared, massive tower in Belarus, Saudi money, and the convict. The corruption is gone wild but you simpleton on the right let it go. Funny that
DeleteThe 20 years was for stashing weapons across the street and being pissed he didn’t order his goons to come in hot. Try a minute to comprehend if party rolls were reversed. You dumb cultists would be crying only 20 years for the sick fck?
DeleteWe could change Denali to Denial.
ReplyDeletePhotos of Obama, Hillary, and Harris lifting their arm in a seeming Nazi salute, just like Musk. See how easy it is create this nonsense? https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2025/01/no-media-honeymoon-for-trump-the-hoax-machine-is-up-and-running.php
ReplyDeletePlease. We're not talking about catching someone at just the right instance in a still photo. Go to the following link and scroll down and watch the comparison between Hitler's salute and Musk's. They are identical. And look at Musk's facial expression and the vigor/snap with which he does the salute. There's no comparison between this and the still photos you're talking about.
Deletehttps://www.jefftiedrich.com/p/what-the-fuck-is-this
I don't believe Immigrant Derangement Syndrome is what led to Republicans to believe lies about Haitian immigrants eating pets.
DeleteFar more likely, it was just regular old, run-of-the-mill, daily bigotry of the Right.
Deny, deflect, distract. These are Dickhead's goals here.
DeleteI don't understand why DiC is arguing about this.
Just last week, DiC was defending Elon's support of a fascist political party in Germany.
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DeleteMike L, it wouldn’t matter if they’re identical. The act of throwing your arm up and out is not so abnormal that it’s under a copyright by Nazis. Musk made the gesture twice, the second time saying that he was throwing his heart to the crowd. The left has been making this accusation for years when Republican pols throw their arm up or when a Republican makes the “ok” sign. Sure whatever…regular people take that as seriously as they do the left’s odes to the inveterate racism of white culture in general. Same shite, different day.
DeleteAnonymouse flying monkey1:25am, then what’s your excuse? You call half your fellow citizens racists and neanderthal backwoods uneducated incestuous bigoted cretins and then take offense when people believe that there could be utter chaos and mayhem in a country that has virtually no government now. Haiti was run by a crime family for years,, is dirt poor and plagued by natural catastrophes routinely. Haiti is a shitehole., but it’s bigoted to believe that cultural norms there have gone to hell in a handbasket, that anything might be happening, but you’ll say far more egregious things about your melanin poor “Nazi” fellow-citizen neighbors simply for not voting as you do.
Delete7:14=3,
DeleteWhen Haitian immigrants try to overthrow an election just because white people's votes counted in a Presidential election, call me.
Until then, shove your bigoted nonsense about Haitians up your ass.
Musk was throwing his heart to the crowd? I’ve never heard of that. Is it a South African thing?
Delete7:13,
DeleteThe USA just elected an adjudicated rapist and self admitted sexual predator to be their President, so yes, it's not that hard to believe the USA will soon make raping children mandatory for all U.S. citizens.
BTW, I love the way you "think".
I'm told the only reason Democrats want to keep pedophilia illegal, is to own the Right.
Delete@9:16 AM,
Deleteand is it going in Albania? Is your president a good decent person?
Anonymouse flying monkeys, you got it. Racism is just a political epithet in your hands and you are anything but creative.
DeleteI throw my heart to you, Cecelia.
DeleteThe only reason Republican politician's repeated the lie that Haitian immigrants were eating our pets, is that they wanted to amp-up the Republican voting base of bigots. It's political genius, really.
DeleteAnonhmouse 9:37pm, with all my heart, all the best to you and yours in this new year.
DeleteThanks, this is great, I'm using it Cecelia, perfect description. - racists and neanderthal backwoods uneducated incestuous bigoted cretins
DeleteAnonymouse 8:06pm, no problem, no one is surprised that I’d make a smarter anonymouse than actual anonymices.
DeleteOperation 48:
ReplyDeleteConsult citizens Dick and Fanny Boner
Anonymouse 7:59pm, personal virtues are not worth a whit if that person can’t be trusted as to pulling the correct voting lever. That’s the anonymouse credo.
ReplyDeleteAnonymouse 6:30pm, with all your fellow anonymices around, I don’t think you need the company.
ReplyDeleteIt was petty for Trump to remove General Milley's portrait, but it is sexist to remove Admiral Fagan from her job as head of the Coast Guard, for no other reason than that she is female.
ReplyDeleteI love DEI admirals.
DeleteBut what is this "female" you spoke of? What does this word mean?
Anonymouse 9:11am, uh huh. You’ve never seen anyone touch their heart and then throw it out in a gesture of love, comaraderie, or in thanks for good news or an inspiring story.
ReplyDeleteIt’s going to be a long four years for you. Keep something for later…
Calling a supporter of Donald Trump a "Nazi", is something that someone who pays attention would do.
Delete"It’s going to be a long four years for you."
DeleteEveryday is Christmas with Donald Trump as President. Also, I'm told the best gift you can give Trump is calling Republican voters "bigots".
Anonymouse 9:42am, and you're getting paid for that sort of attention.
DeleteAnonymouse 9:45am, Trump can’t run for re-election again, so calling large swaths of people names won’t help him. But I’m sure he appreciates all your efforts.
DeleteIf Republican voters were really bigots, and not just economically anxious, then why did they try to overthrow an election just because Trump gave that huge tax break to corporations and the rich?
DeleteAnonymouse 9:50am, because they’re hoping those breadcrumbs lead corporations back to the U.S, rather than actions that disstance them further.
DeleteSoros-bots hope that more corporations will move into their native Albania, where corporate tax is only 15% vs. 21% in the US.
DeleteSoros-bots, hope that they’ll get three bedroom apartments and a car when the globalists have the masses in two bedroom apartments and strictly using public transportation.
DeleteMaybe the Soros-bots can find that Republican voter who isn't a bigot, as a gift to mankind.
DeleteAnonymouse 11:11am, and maybe Maytag can find a way to keep clothes from soiling.
DeleteSoros ain’t paying for that.
Muskrat stumps for the Nazi adjacent party in Germany, promotes Nazis on X, but don't you dare call the Nazi salute a Nazi salute libtards. And how is Muskrat's $250 million buy of $Trump OK with hard working conservatives. What has happened to you? You cheer the rot. $Trump so concerned with prices he just rescinded Biden cost controls on big Pharma, your bugaboo enemy was rewarded. Crickets.
DeleteA Neo-Nazi, a white supremacist, and a reliable Republican voter walk into a bar, and the bartender says, "why is it that no one can tell you people apart?"
ReplyDeleteBartender is an anonymouse flying monkey soon to screwup and be fired by evening.
DeleteMost likely the bartender is an immigrant, if you take into consideration he has a job.
DeleteAnonymouse 11:14am, immigrants generally keep jobs and own two businesses within three years. No, the bartender is a native anonymouse flying monkey.
DeleteOf course, we don't know if Musk was consciously giving (twice) the nazi salute or if, like Dr. Strangelove, it was just an uncontrollable reflex action.
ReplyDeleteAnonymouse 10:23am, those choices are in the same spirit that actual Nazis rendered to any accused person.
DeleteI love Bob Somerby because he gave up trying to find a reason other than bigotry for anyone to vote for Trump.
DeleteAnonymouse 11:15am, so you’re headed over to the unemployment office.
DeleteBest unemployment rate in 50 years. $Trump gonna screw that good and hard.
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