TUESDAY, MAY 5, 2026
What have they done with Bill Maher? What have they done with the real Bill Maher? Inquiring minds wanted to know.
Before we start to address their question, let the word go forth:
On this sprawling campus, we vastly admire Bill Maher. Over the years, he developed the ability to drive challenging discussions of serious topics—challenging discussions he was constantly able to leaven with extremely high-end humor.
Basically, it's impossible to do what Bill learned to do. Rather, to do what he did before his recent epistemic capture—a capture which has seen him dragged, possibly by the Fox News Channel, right through the Overton Window!
Let us attempt to explain:
Last Friday night, on Real Time, Bill sat with an august panel for his program's weekly discussion. An interview with Governor Newsom had already occurred.
He started by introducing the panelists. Quickly, though, he gave voice to a somewhat peculiar point of concern:
MAHER (5/1/26): He is a Pulitzer Prize winning opinion columnist for the New York Times. Bret Stephens is over here. And she's the head of King's College, Cambridge, and a columnist for the Financial Times. Gillian Tett.
Okay. Well, let's get the ugly news about the political violence out of the way first, because we have to talk about it. I'm just going to vomit my take on it, and then you can argue.
I would just like to say, if you're one of these people, and there's many in this country, who watched that and was disappointed the president wasn't killed—
[AUDIENCE LAUGHTER]
See? They're laughing at that. You're not a good person. Or a smart person. But definitely not a good person.
I was reading this in your paper, an interview with Governor Pritzker of Illinois, and they asked him, like, well, "What does the next president have to be?" And he said, good, decent, and kind.
Which, who can disagree with that? And certainly, Trump has often not been good, decent, or kind.
But he's not Hitler.
President Trump isn't Hitler, he said. Borrowing from Bill himself, it's hard to see how a serious person could disagree with that!
It's hard to fashion a simple description for the person Bill had named. Simple decency suggests that the vast sweep of that person's misconduct is often best met with a respectful silence.
That said, how vast was the sweep of that misconduct? The leading authority on this being makes an attempt with this:
Adolf Hitler
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The historian and biographer Ian Kershaw described Hitler as "the embodiment of modern political evil." Under Hitler's leadership and racist ideology, the Nazi regime was responsible for the genocide of an estimated six million Jews and millions of other victims, whom he and his followers deemed Untermenschen ("subhumans") or socially undesirable.
Hitler and the Nazis were also responsible for the deliberate killing of an estimated 19.3 million civilians and prisoners of war. In addition, 28.7 million soldiers and civilians died as a result of military action in the European theatre.
We aren't familiar with all those numbers. But the basic numbers are there.
He felt his nation needed more room. He sought a final solution. To his credit, Kershaw tried, but we'd say his formulation understates the sweep of the conduct which followed.
("The things I saw beggar description," General Eisenhower said.)
For the record, Bill was focused, as he started, on the ugly news of the previous weekend—on the attempt at an assassination attempt produced by 31-year-old Cole Allen at the White House Correspondents Dinner.
Allen's action was upsetting to many people, not excluding us. Bill told Stephens and Tett that they had to start by discussing that event—and he and his panelists proceeded to talk about nothing else!
We don't always agree with Bill's views, but he's unusually sharp. That said, he was instantly walking the "President Trump isn't Hitler" beat—and he did so several more times as the panel discussion continued:
MAHER: The liberals used to always say, and they were right to say it, that a lot of this very violent rhetoric that we hear on the left, it inspires the borderline personality to then do something. And they were right. I never thought they were wrong.
But the shoe's on the other foot now. I mean, it's on both feet, but you've got to own this kind of rhetoric. And, you know, if you call Trump—
This is why I was against this "he's Hitler" bullshit. I mean, if you really believe that he's a Hitler McPedophile, then you kind of have to kill him. That's the mentality they have.
Later, also this:
MAHER: Once you start with Hitler, it's like any time you do—
We've seen it in many places in the world where they make someone into, whether it's Rwanda or, you know, the Hutus saying the Tutsi were vermin. Or the Hutu—somebody was vermin, I remember.
STEPHENS: The Tutsi were vermin.
MAHER: Whatever it was. Whenever you dehumanize someone to that degree, people are going to go, "Oh, I’m doing the—I’m a hero."
We agree! President Trump isn't Adolf Hitler. Whatever you think about President Trump, he has never done anything that dimly compares with what Hitler did.
President Trump isn't Hitler. But except for the usual suspects on the Fox News Channel, who's been saying he is?
Without wasting any more time, let's explain our own concern at this point:
On the major shows of the Fox News Channel, we hear it said all the time. Members of "the lunatic left"—members of "the Democrat [sic] Party"—keep saying that Trump is Hitler!
It's said all the time on Fox! Brief bits of videotape will often be shown—bits of tape in which no one is actually saying the thing which has the Fox News personnel so upset.
In our own view, liberal pundits and Democratic office holders often say things about President Trump which we think are unhelpful, unwise. But at this point, who is saying that Trump = Hitler? When's the last time you saw someone say that?
When's the last time you saw someone say that? For ourselves, we can't think of an actual time.
We don't see people making that claim, but Bill returned to this point several more times. He seemed to be saying that people like Allen are triggered by these comparisons.
But who is supposed to be making these claims? Who's saying that Trump equals Hitler?
Stephens and Tett offered standard thoughts about how inappropriate political violence is within a democracy. But who has been saying that Trump = Hitler?
Neither Bill, nor either panelist, ever named an actual name. Bill never played videotape of one of "the liberals" making this comparison—a comparison which invokes one of history's most evil names.
Bill kept citing this comparison. But he never said who's been saying this—until eventually, continuing from above, a remarkable claim emerged, as you can see right here:
MAHER: Once you start with Hitler, it's like any time you do—
We've seen it in many places in the world where they make someone into, whether it's Rwanda or, you know, the Hutus saying the Tutsi were vermin. Or the Hutu... Somebody was vermin, I remember.
STEPHENS: The Tutsi were vermin.
MAHER: Whatever it was. Whenever you dehumanize someone to that degree, people are going to go, "Oh, I’m doing the—I’m a hero."
This guy wasn’t crazy crazy. Like, he wasn't hearing—you know, the dog wasn’t talking to him, and the moon. He just was, like, watching the—
TETT: Social media.
MAHER: Yeah, and media media.
TETT: And media media, yeah.
Really? Cole Allen was triggered by regular media comparing Trump to Hitler? That's what Maher and Tett now almost seemed to say.
Social media is one thing. Thanks to the "democratization of media," you can now hear every kind of crazy statement if you take yourself there.
But Bill and Tett now seemed to agree. When it comes to Trump = Hitler, it's regular media too!
For today, we'll skip past the unfortunate way Bill pretended to be a medical specialist with respect to the would-be assassin. "He wasn't crazy crazy," Bill unwisely said.
We'll skip that for now! But are regular media calling Trump Hitler? That's what Bill now seemed to say, and Tett was quick to agree.
Our youthful analysts came to us. As they did, their eyes glistened with tears.
What have they done with the real Bill Maher, the innocent youngsters now asked. They muttered about "epistemic capture," and they muttered, perhaps unwisely, about the power of Fox.
For ourselves, we were saddened by what we had seen.
We humans, we thoughtfully said to ourselves. Do we ever miss a chance to miss the main point at a critical juncture like this?
Tomorrow: Stephens tries to restore a bit of balance
I agree. Nobody but VP Vance is calling the Shitler Hitler. But give him time. Shitler could well surpass Hitler in the death count. RFK Jr. alone could get more kills. And you know Shitler's bitch Hicseth is dreaming of dropping a few tactical nukes to open the fucking Straight thing they fucked up all to hell and back. Also too, Somerby is
ReplyDeleteThe Presidency is a job. Like doctor. What does a doctor have to be? What does the next president have to be? Good decent, and kind?? NO. A doctor needs to be skilled at curing disease and keeping people healthy. A President needs to be skilled at winning wars. At enforcing laws. These are the fundamental Constitutional functions of a President. IMO Trump is better at these basic jobs than Biden or Harris.
ReplyDeleteDoes a president have to be good at starting strategically stupid wars? Republicans seem to excel at that.
DeleteYour King seems to be skilled at fucking our allies and sticking the knife in the back of a country invaded by his best fucking buddy. Go fuck yourself, dickhead.
DeleteDavid, a doctor absolutely must be good, decent and kind. Doctors have people's lives in their hands and they must make ethical decisions constantly, as part of their job description. Admissions staff evaluate the goodness, decency and kindness (the motivations) of medical students as part of the interview process and by reviewing their application essays. People lacking those qualities are weeded out during medical school. Doctors not only cure disease but they ease the transition for the dying and relieve pain and suffering. They engage in triage and decide who to treat during disasters, war and pandemics, which requires ethics. They must develop a "bedside manner" which is nothing less than treating people compassionately who are seeking help.
DeleteBecause you do not understand the role of doctors, you seem to also be incapable of understanding that presidents must ensure the well-being of the people by making sure our nation can support them with jobs, provide access to medical care, education, public service, build strong communities. Trump has completely failed at all of that. Presidents build alliances with other nations to engage in commerce but also to prevent wars, which are destructive to all other goals a president must pursue.
That you think Trump did a better job than Biden shows that you have no clue what the job of president is about. Harris would have extended Biden's work. Trump has left us unprotected against another pandemic, after bungling the response to covid and causing hundreds of thousands of preventable deaths. He has destroyed the strong economy left to him by Biden. He doesn't care about any aspect of public well-being but increases suffering of people with everything he touches. He is destroying the public places that have been the pride of the nation, from the national parks to the arts and has turned the White House into an abomination of self-worship. We had no active wars before Trump took office and now we have two (Venezuela, Iran) while Trump has sold out to Putin and now pursues only Putin's national interests. That makes Trump a traitor.
The presidency should be a calling, not a job. Doctors consider themselves to be called to heal, which is needed because of the sacrifices they make from their early schooling to their dedication to service when they are needed most. Doctors don't stay home with colds or take vacations when others need help. Note the way Trump goes to Mar a Lago, even during strategic times, so he doesn't miss his golf outings. Trump only cares what the presidency can do for himself and his grifting, not what he can do for his people.
David, why does Trump's behavior not shame you? It shames the rest of us.
Your president and his family are extremely good at profiting off his office, DiC. You got bent out of shape about the possibility of corruption with Hunter Biden, and felt it was with yearlong investigations. Don Jr and Eric’s business deals, and Jared’s billions from Arab countries are off the charts in terms of corruption; Trump is profiting off crypto and untold scams, leveraging his office, and you and MAGA have ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO SAY ABOUT IT. You are a disgrace.
DeleteDG - your snarky comment seems to based on several unstated assumptions. One of them is that preventing the Mullahs from having nuclear weapons is not terribly important. I know that this is the current Dem narrative, created by the Dems and their media friends. But, that's an amazing turnaround. President after President said how urgent it was to prevent the Iranian leaders from having nukes. They promised that it would never happen. Yet, now that Trump is actually achieving that goal, people are going around saying that the goal doesn't matter.
DeleteI agree with you, @11:44. I am disgusted by the way the Trump family seems to be so hugely profiting from his position.
DeleteNobody is saying the goal doesn’t matter, DiC.
DeleteThe GOP could reign in Trump’s corruption. He should be impeached.
DeleteDavid, who is going to prevent Israel from having nuclear weapons? Shall we invade Israel in a preventive strike? How about North Korea? There have been no recent provocations from Iran that would justify Trump's aggression against them.
DeleteNo recent provocations from Iran. @11:57? The Iranian regime is not a normal government. There aren't enough pixels on my screen to list recent provocations: Yesterday Iran attacked UAE and another neighboring country with missiles. Iran attacks ships in the Strait of Hormuz, which is international waters. That's piracy. Iran recently slaughtered tens of thousands of its own citizens for publicly demonstrating. Iran's proxy, Hamas, murdered, tortured, and kidnapped over 1000 innocent civilians at a music festival. Iran's proxy Hezbollah bombs Israeli civilian areas for months on end. And, don't even get started on their treatment of minorities like Jews and gay people.
Delete"I am disgusted by the way the Trump family seems to be so hugely profiting from his position...."
DeleteAnd you will crawl naked through a Paris sewer licking the pipe as you go just to give them the power to continue raping the country.
“their treatment of minorities like Jews and gay people.”
DeleteNot to mention how they treat trans people.
Delete@11:49 - Here's my thought process. @11:21 referred to "strategically stupid wars." I presume s/he was referring to Iran. To say that about Iran one needs to show either that we don't need to prevent Iran from getting nukes or that there's a better way of achieving that goal. (BTW regardless of whether or not Trump was wrong to abrogate the old treaty, the challenge today is what to do now. The President has to deal with the present as it exists.)
DiC doesn’t seem to understand the term “strategy” when DG says it’s a “ strategically stupid war.” DiC responds with his reasons why we need to bomb Iran.
DeleteI prefer presidents that know how to keep us out of unnecessary wars, dickhead, you fucking imbecile
DeleteWe’re in good hands. Trump is able to distinguish a giraffe from a zebra.
Delete@12:22's snark, "Not to mention how they treat trans people," seems to equate executing trans people with not allowing them to participate in women's sports. That kind of faulty thinking is what comes from the wild exaggerations used by Dems. It's the kind of thinking that equates Graham Platner choosing to get a Nazi Death's Head tattoo with Musk raising his finger to point at something.
DeleteAnd what better way to “deal with the present” than to send Jared the Slum Lord to pretend to negotiate. Fuck you, dickhead
DeleteSince you couldn’t resist taking the bait, DiC, which, by the way, wasn’t snark:
Delete“Specific Calls for Institutionalization: In September 2025, Representatives Nancy Mace (R-SC) and Ronny Jackson (R-TX) publicly called for transgender people to be institutionalized, with Jackson referring to transgender identity as a "virus" and a "cancer" that needs to be treated by getting people "off the streets".”
Hmm. Virus. Cancer. Those are things you kill. Asshole.
“with Musk raising his finger to point at something.”
DeleteYou’re a liar, dickface. A goddamn fucking liar
@2:24 and DG - if what Trump is doing is "statically stupid", what strategy do believe would work better?
DeleteI personally think Trump's strategy of blocking Iranian shipping while opening the Strait to non-Iranian ships is brilliant. It is bringing the economy to its knees without widespread bombing or boots on the ground.
You think the way king chickenshit shits his pants is brilliant, dickhead.
Delete"strategically stupid"
Delete“what strategy do believe would work better?”
DeleteI mean, I know Trump is able to identify a giraffe, so who am I to question his intellect, but perhaps a strategy that didn’t result in the closure of the strait of Hormuz, a strengthening of the hardline regime in Iran, and a new determination to develop nuclear weapons?
There is no reason to treat dickhead's question as anything other than dishonest trolling. This is at least the 50th time he has asked the same question and then he ignores the answers, comes back tomorrow and pretends it never happened.
DeleteA dishonest troll with no morals. That is dickhead.
What happened after Hitler was defeated? Germany apologized, made restitution to other nations harmed by Hitler, instituted controls to prevent the rise of another Hitler, incorporated teaching about Hitler into its school programs, made laws against Nazism in its own society, and dedicated a memorial to the dead in the Holocaust. Most of all, Germany displayed shame for not stopping Hitler themselves.
DeleteAnd the other nations created the United Nations to address the problems of countries worldwide and prevent future world wars. You can tell that Trump is evil because he disdains participation is such a world organization, just as he breaks all treaties and refuses to fund action against global problems.
DeleteTrump is the world's most ignorant man when it comes to understanding history, knowing things about other cultures, and appreciating cooperation instead of aggressive dominance. That contributes to his evil because he lacks the intelligence to curb his evil impulse.
DeleteIf Trump were able to look at what happened to Hitler, instead of admiring him, he might exercise caution not to repeat Hitler's mistakes. Compare Trump to Dr. Evil or any villain in history or fiction, and it is obvious how inept, bungling, and stupid his failures are, from his failed military parade to his poorly designed Epstein ballroom, to the idiots he has appointed to carry out his own solutions. He can't do anything right. But that is no reason why we should tolerate his attempts. He is still a laughing stock as he flails around trying to figure out how to get his face on Mt. Rushmore and wonders why he can't get the WNBA to visit him at the White House, but that doesn't mean he isn't harming our nation.
Delete"Totally Obliterated" you fucking horses ass David. You believe whatever u r told on that day by your leaders/media. You add nothing to the discourse here. Go away you useless Nazi bitch.
DeleteDiC - When I say Republicans are good at unnecessarily starting strategically stupid wars, I mean Iraq and Iran, among many others (e.g., Venezuela, recently). And this Iran War was strategically stupid because Iran was neither threatening us or capable of threatening us, but it did have the capacity to choke off a large portion of the world's oil supply pretty easily, and our bombing gave it the permission of war to do so.
DeleteIran is no angel, it is a problematic country, but it is closer to "Western" norms than most other countries in the region, frankly including Israel.
DeleteWhile Israel is engaging in a genocide, killing hundreds of thousands of Palestinians, the Republican numbers on Iran killing protestors is wildly inaccurate, with the most credible authorities putting the number around 5000 - which is very concerning, but the Republican number which keeps bouncing around between 30k-45k is just a complete lie.
Iran as a society cares about having educated citizens, a middle class, art and literature, and generally welcomes all ethnicities and religions.
Meanwhile Israel is a theocratic ethnostate, permitting only one supreme type of person - a Jew - in their apartheid society.
Furthermore, Iran has never had a nuclear weapons program. Even the hawks in US intel agencies all agreed and said Iran abandoned whatever nuclear program it had back in 2003.
Iran is a signatory to the Nuclear Non Proliferation Treaty, and has had a fatwa against nuclear weapons for decades.
If anything, this war by Trump and Netanyahu has created a strong motivation for Iran to now start a nuclear weapons program.
Notably, Israel has had secret nuclear weapons for decades - it was a primary motivation behind the US' nuclear energy program, in order to provide other countries with uranium/plutonium (this was discovered by the legal team involved in suing Kerr-McGee for the death of Silkwood, and that suit was a primary factor in effectively ending the US nuclear energy program).
Israel refuses to sign the Nuclear Non Proliferation Treaty, unlike 191 other countries.
Well said.
DeleteI would also note that there is now evidence that indicates Israel and the US played a significant role in funding and arming those "protestors", who were comprised of outside (Israeli) infiltrators and instigators.
This puts Iran's brutal put down of that protest in a new light, more as self defense from outside invaders than anything else.
It is foolish for Somerby and Bill Maher to ignore the ways in which Trump is mimicking Hitler. We as a nation are fortunate that Trump is so old, because he will die before he can do the full scale damage done by Hitler, despite having a roadmap to follow. Mocking those who are trying to warn our country is not a good look for Somerby or Maher.
ReplyDeleteBefore the Holocaust, even Hitler was not Hitler, not yet.
DeleteThis was the point of the ending of the movie Come And See.
So Maher's pearl clutching is ignorant, ahistorical, and obviously just a ploy to promote Maher's right wing agenda.
Maher: Main media outlets inspire lone wolves by comparing Trump to Hitler.
DeleteSomerby: That's false. Main media outlets do not compare Trump to Hitler.
3:48: Somerby is promoting Maher's message.
This is so damn typical of comments here. Refutation is proof of promotion.
3:48 does not mention Somerby.
Delete3:48 does offer criticism of the notion that calling Trump "Hitler" has no validity.
But to your point 4:03, taking things at face value is foolish, whether it comes from Hitler or Trump or Stephens or Maher or even from Somerby.
Why isn't Somerby complaining that the main stream media are not reporting on the people who are comparing Hitler to Trump? His contention that there are no people doing that, reported in the main street media is incorrect. There are several, from J.D. Vance (who called Trump "America's Hitler") to Timothy Snyder who studies totalitarian regimes and authoritarian dictators, to Masha Gessen who is a Russian-American journalist, author, and activist known for their expertise in Russian politics, authoritarianism, human rights, and LGBT rights. All have appeared in the mainstream media. Somerby's ignorance about that is suspicious.
DeleteBut Somerby agreed with Bill Maher about not comparing Trump to Hitler. Somerby said:
"We agree! President Trump isn't Adolf Hitler. Whatever you think about President Trump, he has never done anything that dimly compares with what Hitler did."
I strongly disagree with that, as I have expressed elsewhere here today. This statement is nothing like what DG attributes to Somerby and @3:48 is correct when he/she complains that Somerby is agreeing with Maher. He is plainly doing that, in his own words saying "We agree" directly after his quote of Maher. (When Somerby says "we" he is talking only about himself, not anyone else on the show.)
According to CNN, "...according to investigations into his social media history, Cole Tomas Allen—the suspect charged with attempting to assassinate President Donald Trump at the April 2026 White House Correspondents' Dinner—repeatedly shared posts that compared Donald Trump to Adolf Hitler."
DeleteMy understanding is that Musk has been strongly opposed to censoring any content on X, the place where Cole Allen spent a lot of time. I don't believe it is possible to eliminate all references to Trump as a horrible person without shutting down all content unfavorable to Trump in social media. We may get to that stage, since it is part of imposing an authoritarian state on its people.
DeleteI read a book about a French woman who was sent to a work camp because she named her family pig "Hitler". A neighbor reported her and she was transported to living in a prison and working in a factory under unsafe working conditions, as punishment for mocking Dear Leader. Trump is building those camps for some reason, after all. It should be incumbent on all of us to wonder what he is going to do with them, and us.
To be clear, the woman was living in occupied France during WWII.
DeleteYou know, 4:21, I think you're right - I think 3:48's criticism of Maher can be read as completely unrelated to Somerby, and I was wrong to assume that it was related.
DeleteMaher is a fucking Zionist and a fraud.
ReplyDeleteAgree.
DeleteAnybody not on the right wing spectrum stopped watching him ages ago.
Maher is part of a cohort of grifters that saw they could make money off of pretending to be liberal or progressive, and then with the rise of Trump quickly abandoned that effort and reverted to their true right wing nature.
The republicans are now asking for one Billion dollars of taxpayer money to fund Trump’s ballroom.
ReplyDeleteIt's not "Trump's ballroom." It will be Kamala Harris's ballroom. Trump will be gone when it's finally built.
DeleteOk. Glad you’re willing to spend your tax dollars for what was supposed to be paid for by private donations when Trump without permission simply bulldozed a chunk of the White House. You praised Trump in comments here for funding it privately. Turns out, that was another Trump con.
DeleteThere is speculation that the purpose of the ballroom is to be a bunker where Trump can hide out when he refuses to leave the White House after the 2028 election, or sooner if he is removed via Article 25 or impeachment. We should not build something like that for him.
DeleteGuess who ends up keeping the private donations?
DeleteNobody knows where those private donations (hundreds of millions $) went. But King Orange Chickenshit can keep every nickel if he wants since it can be considered part of presidential duties, per Grand Wizard John Roberts.
DeleteEverything Trump tries to build or put his name on, will be reversed by the next president, so it will all be a waste of taxpayer dollars.
DeleteHow do we rebuild historical sites like the East Wing? How do we restore alternative energy sources to reverse global warming? Will the corruption be charged and those stealing from the people be convicted?
DeleteSomerby says, referring to Hitler:
ReplyDelete"Simple decency suggests that the vast sweep of that person's misconduct is often best met with a respectful silence."
This is absolutely not true. The whole point of the various Holocaust museums is to remind the people of what evil is like, to never forget what Hitler did.
What is Somerby's "respectful silence" showing respect to, if not those who were harmed by Hitler's evil? Those people deserve to be shown respect, but not by engaging in silence while Trump repeats Hitler's atrocities. Respect for Hitler's victims requires that we rise up against repetition of past evils to protect our own citizens from our home-grown Hitler wannabe, who engages in evil for the sake of competition with Hitler himself, someone he admires (as do Stephen Miller, Elon Musk, and the neo-Nazis these bad people use as their own Gestapo, much as Hitler had his brownshirts and willing executioners. ICE is a band of the same kind of men given free rein in Hitler's Reich.
We need to call out evil whenever it arises anew. Hitler was evil and Trump is evil too. Trump is not insane. He appears to have dementia, but that just makes him clumsier at carrying out his own plans for camps and oppression of his own people. Somerby has never been willing to call Trump evil. He barely calls Hitler evil, preferring respectful silence, he says. Who gains from such silence. Not we the people. Looking away from Trump's crimes emboldens his entire evil regime. It is the last thing we should be doing.
Yes, some real creepy weirdness coming from Somerby these days.
DeleteSpeaking of evil, Case Allen is being tortured in prison with cruel and unusual punishment, before he has even been convicted of any crime.
ReplyDeletehttps://www.dailykos.com/stories/2026/5/5/800033225/justice/dc-gala-shooter-and-jan-6-rioters-get-markedly-different-treatment/
And we can see from the video that the Trump admin is lying about Cole Allen firing a weapon, you can clearly see on the video how a police officer misses Allen but does hit a fellow officer.
Delete“Simple decency suggests that the vast sweep of that person's misconduct is often best met with a respectful silence. ”
ReplyDeleteBeg pardon? The whole thrust of years of Somerby’s blogging is that Trump is mentally ill and people should be talking about that.
Somerby's praise of Bill Maher's comedy is not justified.
ReplyDeleteFor example, many of us on the left who might agree with some of his political views long ago stopped watching him because of his racist jokes about Asian drivers and his misogyny. Then he went on his anti-Muslim jag. I personally find his fawning over right wing guests to be sickening. I think his left-leaning guests play a Tarlov role on his panels.
Most annoying is Maher's use of his own show as a platform to advance quack medicine and fringe beliefs about health that are contradicted by science. He welcomes the same kinds of people onto his show as have now been given power by Trump. Maher has long displayed a fear of death, a fear of growing older, that he indulges by following health fads and platforming quacks. His interviews are not critical but designed to allow them to explain their theories and make unsubstantiated claims.
In the aftermath of covid, many people were sufficiently scared of their own mortality that there has been a blossoming of interest in supplements, ball-tanning and other gadgets to increase testosterone, vitality, and health, purging of toxins, enemas, pure foods (raw milk, grass fed beef), absence of additives or even inspection by the govt, and weird plant products with unproven benefits. If you listen to podcasts or spend time on the internet you will see a flood of such products, way beyond what Maher used to feature on his show, again reacting to threats of death during covid. Just as ivermectin, bleach, precious metals, and other treatments without benefits were pursued obsessively during covid. The way Maher has always encouraged such weirdness in segments on his show is irresponsible and often embarrassing to watch because of what it reveals about Maher's psyche. Just as his bragging about only hanging out with young women and bros reveals too much about himself.
Now Somerby comes along with high praise of Maher. It is about time Maher was outed for who he is. Somerby is behaving like a Trump sychophant, flattering Maher in the hope of gaining status or boons. That too is embarrassing for Somerby, but not surprising. Maher has slid right and so has Somerby, which makes them birds of a feather, despite Maher's greater success. Maher, because he is younger, should think a bit about who will be his audience once Trump is thrown out of office and it is no longer chic to be MAGA.
It is probably beneficial to eat healthy foods, exercise more and get better sleep, but ritualizing these practices to ward off aging and death won't work. It is especially a bad idea to substitute these lifestyle changes for medical care when needed. This shouldn't be an either/or choice, the way RFK Jr. and Trump's regime has made it, eliminating science funding and medical resources, but a matter of doing both.
DeleteTrump thinks he is going to live forever too, because he is a superman, but his symptoms suggest otherwise.
Watching Maher causes the death of brain cells.
ReplyDeleteI have noticed this as well.
DeleteBecause Bill Maher and Bob Somerby once presented themselves as liberal but are now touting right wing views, they pretend that their rightward shift is the result of common sense, reason, critical thinking, lefty excesses (both railed against woke, for example), and not a creeping conservatism borne of old age, not a sweetening of the pot by increasingly conservative outlets for their work.
ReplyDeleteFor those of us on the left, their attempts to seem reasonable while abandoning our shared values and making offensive jokes, are not convincing. So, perhaps that "I was left but I saw the light" vibe is aimed at right wingers, to build their audiences from that side of the political spectrum during a time when conservatives have dominated government and attacked cultural freedoms.
No one I know takes Somerby seriously and my own circle of like-minded friends and relatives stopped watching Maher a long time ago. So I doubt it is us these guys care about reaching. They are the new Gutfelds.
All is lost when we start being respectful of evil, as Somerby suggests today,.
ReplyDeleteTrump ain't no Hitler. He ain't even a Dubya if we're focusing on our long history of foreign interventions and atrocities.
ReplyDeleteBut Trump is Hitlery. He has lemming-like followers and a nearly supine opposition, which is a very good start.
Leroy
Hey, what can you do when Chairman Donald has his own Gestapo that can shoot you in the head with impunity and walk away smiling
DeleteSupine opposition? How many people protested on No Kings day? Harris nearly beat him in 2024. Trump has lost most of the lawsuits brought against his over reach. His approval rates are at historic lows, below Nixon's when he left office. You can even count Case Allen as part of the opposition. Whatever he was doing, he wasn't "supine."
DeleteI do agree that Congress has appeared supine. The left has used its procedures to oppose Trump and his minions, but Democrats are not the majority. Nevertheless, there are still impeachment bills and a variety of measures being used to block Trump's supporters and Trump's evil. DHS funding was just passed without money for ICE, a victory for Dems.
Pretending that there is supine opposition to Trump denigrates the efforts on the left and ignores the way Trump has been handcuffed in carrying out his plans.
And that nearly-supine opposition has the SCOTUS to deal with. Don't get me started on Project 2025, a long-term strategy (gotta give credit to the Repubs for their relentlessness).
DeleteAs one of Frank Hebert's characters said in one of his novels, "Control the courts and the coinage, let the rabble have the rest."
Leroy
12:59, I'm not saying their is NO opposition, and I respect what has been done by them (us) - though Democrats all too often sabotage themselves, since their always seems to be an outlier to fuck things up (Fetterman, Sinema, Manchin et.al.). And it sucks that we only have, functionally, a two-party system. Makes you almost pine for a parliamentary system, which would have likely disowned Trump long ago.
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Leroy, we now have three nominal parties. There are more Independents than there are Republicans or Democrats. Independents are divided into left leaning and right leaning but there are also groups that don't fit into either other organized party. Increasingly, the Independents are swinging elections. There is also a rise in the numbers of Democratic Socialists (like Mamdani).
DeleteThere are reasons why the founders chose NOT to implement a parliamentarian system like England's. I am not enough of a historian to know why they skipped it and deliberately chose our system instead. Perhaps AI can tell you. There may be other liabilities to such a system. Brexit for example and an inherent lack of stability or a lack of peaceful transition. See what you can find about it.
The two party system has worked fine, the problems lie elsewhere in things like giving corporations human rights and Republicans gaming our electoral system.
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DeleteLeroy,
DeleteHow do you know so much about Hitler?
Were you raised in a place that had a statue of him, so you could learn his history?
I never heard of the guy, but that's because there are no statues of him where I have lived.
For a 2023 episode of Maher’s podcast Club Random, “Gutfeld joined the comedian at his studio bar. And in typical Maher fashion, the two smoked a joint to help the conversation flow.
ReplyDeleteMaher congratulated Gutfeld on the success of his Fox News Channel show, Gutfeld!
“Listen, you’ve made a big success of your show there,” Maher said. “I always say to people, you know, you may not love somebody’s success, but you have to respect success, you know?” Toward the end of their discussion the conversation turned to porn, a topic of conversation often featured on Maher’s podcast. “How do they monetize that though? That’s the thing that I don’t get,” Gutfeld said.
“That is fascinating, I never really actually thought about that,” Maher replied. “The idea, I’ve wondered about this, the idea that incest porn is really about being lazy — It’s about being lazy.”
“You don’t want to even leave the house. You don’t want to leave the house, she’s right there,” Gutfeld laughed.
https://www.mediaite.com/media/podcasts/watch-greg-gutfeld-smokes-a-joint-with-bill-maher-as-they-discuss-their-careers-porn-and-partying/
Hahahahaha.
I mean, EXTREMELY high end humor, amirite??
Yuck.
DeleteI had no idea that Bill Maher was perhaps our greatest living American. "What have the done with Bill Maher"?!? Knocking down strawmen, not knowing (or, worse, not caring) who committed genocide in Rwanda and who was the victim, normalizing vileness? Looks like the same ol' Bill to me.
ReplyDeleteBill Maher spent his audience-free monologue during covid complaining that the bureaucrats were taking too long to inspect and approve a structure he had built next to his house. The rest of us in LA were having trouble buying toilet paper. He didn't seem to be joking.
DeleteStephen Colbert, who is a good, decent person, broadcast from home during covid, telling his viewers how much he enjoyed having his family involved in his broadcasts, and not having to dress up.
Why is Colbert off the air while Maher is still around? There is no justice.
What does toilet paper have to do with structural inspections? Both should be promptly, and conveniently available. Both problems are caused by incompetent public servants. Both those elected by the voters and those appointed by the elected officials.
DeleteWere you not around during covid?
DeleteScarcity due to the hoarding of toilet paper and other paper products during he COVID pandemic was the result of incompetent elected officials and public servants. You've really thought that one out. You forgot the asterisk, though.
Delete*Elected officials except for Donald Trump.
Bret fucking Stephens, Somerby's voice of reason (Courtesy of Google AI):
ReplyDelete"Stephens often positions himself against populist right-wing views and, at times, criticizes left-wing priorities, identifying as a intellectual, non-doctrinal conservative.... Prior to joining the NYT in 2017, he was a columnist and editor for the conservative-leaning Wall Street Journal and Jerusalem Post."
You are being charitable.
DeleteBret Stephens is a life long hardcore right wing Republican.
He was a Never Trumper for a few years until Trump won in 2024, and he quickly changed his tune.
Stephens is not just a right winger, he is a shameless opportunist.
"But he's not Hitler."
ReplyDeleteThis is the lowest possible bar to clear. Anyone can be "not Hitler" and still be an epically bad person.
Hear hear!
Delete"We aren't familiar with all those numbers. But the basic numbers are there."
ReplyDeleteWhy not? Why would Somerby not appreciate what Hitler caused and what we all did to stop him? Somerby grew up in the 1950s, went to high school in the aftermath of WWII. How can he not appreciate the scale of the war effort against Hitler?
Somerby had no father who fought in WWII, so he missed hearing the stories, understanding the attitudes of those who fought, the recovery of our own society from that experience. It created the rift between the parents who fought to stop Hitler and protect Europe, and the children like Somerby who were against the Vietnam War, a very different kind of conflict. This is why Trump's disrespect for the military, especially those who fought, were injured or died, is such an affront to those who understood what WWII was about. Today's neo-Nazis who admire Hitler are a slap in the face to those with a military tradition, who value sacrifice and who understood how evil Hitler was, his sadistic impulses and the harm he did to an entire continent, not to mention the War in the Pacific, the flight of Nazis to Latin America, and the refugee crisis following the war. Older people know what a refugee was, whereas today's hatred and fear of immigrants is the opposite of the reparation of the dislocation and displacement of people after WWII. Israel and the Middle East's problems are a legacy of WWII. It is hard to today's young people to understand attitudes about Israel without knowing about Hitler and his persecution of not only Jews but various minorities in Europe.
Somerby cannot talk about this without putting his foot in his mouth because he doesn't understand history, especially on a personal level. I find nearly every sentence he utters on this topic to be offensive because of his attitudes, revealed by his word choices.
Somerby and Trump make a good pair that way. Trump rooted for the wrong side, perhaps due to his father's German ancestry. Trump continues to do that with his admiration of Hitler and his behavior emulating der Fuhrer. No politician with voters old enough to have experienced the war would have ever done or said any of the things Trump does without thinking. That is no excuse because Hitler was a bad man. That Somerby will not acknowledge Hitler's evil is a black mark on Somerby's soul. He should know better.
"Somerby had no father who fought in WWII"
ReplyDeleteSee what I mean? We're dealing with a stalker.
"That Somerby will not acknowledge Hitler's evil is a black mark on Somerby's soul."
Somerby suggests that the "vast sweep" of the evil was so great that it cannot - cannot! - be described in words; thus, a "respectful silence" is, in his view, often the appropriate response.
The strangest defense of Somerby yet, although unsurprisingly coming from a troll fanboy.
DeleteAccording to Somerby, the vast sweep of Hitler's misconduct beggars belief. You read that as "a black mark on Somerby's soul" because he's "not acknowledging Hitler's evil?" You must process words differently than I do.
Delete4:12 I hope you are just pretending to have the world's worst reading comprehension.
DeleteNo, you misunderstand. The vast sweep of Trump's misconduct beggars belief. I read that as "a black mark on Somerby's soul" because he's "not acknowledging Trump's evil, which mirrors that of Hitler. When Somerby says we shouldn't compare Trump to Hitler, Somerby minimizes Trump's evil, which is comparable to Hitler's in every significant way.
DeleteMain differences: (1) Trump has not been doing his evil as long as Hitler did, (2) Hitler caused a World War whereas Trump has the "misfortunate" of stirring up war in a time when global alliances prevent his attacks from going global, so not as many people have died, yet. Give Trump time. (3) Trump is scapegoating immigrants and black people, not Jews. He is tapping into hatred, just as Hitler did, but we have been fighting racism for several hundred years and we are a nation built on immigrant contributions, so Trump is less successful at mobilizing hate than Hitler was. Anitsemitism was more universal in Europe during Hitler's time than black/white racism is in America, where we have successfully taught our majority that hating blacks is wrong, and hate crimes are still being punished. (4) Trump has not yet become a dictator and thus has not consolidated his power, which is keeping his numbers of dead down for the time being.
Somerby's attempt to discourage people from making comparisons of evil with such an obviously evil person as Hitler, is a despicable way of minimizing Trump's evil and that is what I am decrying on Somerby's part.
Your specious paraphrase is noted.
What do people do when something "cannot be described in words"? Use some other medium. Notably, there are important films about Hitler, the Holocaust, and WWII. Music and art also come to mind. But mostly, people go on trying to use words anyway, coming as close as they can to communicating.
DeleteRespectful silence is not what people maintain in the face of evil. Warnings are appropriate. Complaints too. Calling evil what it is, "evil" is important lest people mistake that evil for something else.
You show respect for the victims. Somerby never does that. He totally ignores the victims of Trump's evil here. Nothing about the Epstein victims. Nothing about the immigrants being mistreated in detention. Nothing about those protesters shot and killed. Nothing about the way Trump is destroying so many achievements and hurting those he is supposed to be protectng and serving. NOTHING!!!
We honor victims and respect them with that honor. That's why we don't build huge arches at Arlington cemetary and call our veterans losers, as Trump does. We had the chance to call Trump out when he first disrespected the Gold Star Families back in his first campaign. Instead, people like Somerby ignored those who sacrificed their sons and daughters in our military, and now we have a president who continues to disrespect our military while cosplaying as fighters. This is partly Somerby's fault because he chose silence and attacked Hillary instead of using his blog to show respect to those Trump was disrespecting.
Perhaps that is because Somerby doesn't actually respect our fallen military, given that he chose draft dodging when his own generation was called to action. Fine. But he shouldn't be pretending he is ignoring Trump's evil out of respect for anyone, much less the victims of the Holocaust, the fallen soldiers of WWII, their families and our Greatest Generation who fought a war to stop Hitler.
DG, your efforts to rehabilitate Somerby do not reflect very well on you either.
Well said.
Delete"That Somerby will not acknowledge Hitler's evil is a black mark on Somerby's soul."
Delete"The vast sweep of Trump's misconduct beggars belief. I read that as 'a black mark on Somerby's soul'"
Bait and switch, right? At first the "black mark" is Somerby's failure to acknowledge the evil of Hitler; when confronted with the evidence that Somerby did, in fact, acknowledge Hitler's evil -- he suggested that the scores of millions dead "beggar description" -- you switch and say the "black mark" is really Somerby's failure to acknowledge the evil of Trump.
Perhaps this kind of argument works for you and your ilk, but it is not honest.
Penguin Lessons, a film now on Netflix, is about why people cannot remain silent in the face of tyranny. It takes place in Argentina during the time when people were being disappeared by the dictator in power. It shows a teacher who learns why one cannot remain silent in the face of wrongs. Somerby needs to watch this film and then rethink his idea that silence shows respect to victims of mistreatment such as the Holocaust and Hitler's attempt at world dominance using military strength. Silence only protects the cowardly who fear they may be the next ones targeted for repression. It is the opposite of resistance.
DeleteDG, you can't win with these dumbfucks. They operate in bad faith.
DeletePea-brain @4:34 wails "Nothing about those protesters shot and killed. Nothing about the way Trump is destroying so many achievements and hurting those he is supposed to be protectng and serving. NOTHING!!!" (sic)
The goal is always immediately established (bash this horrible author, which they are somehow compelled to read), then use anything the author writes about, on his own personal blog, to just say stupid shit about how awful he is. Because of the things he doesn't write about!
For fuck’s sake, why? Hard to parse. There is something pathological about this, as you’ve indicated. I’m still going with the jilted lover theory. It makes no sense, but neither does Slabby™.
Leroy
DG, I substituted the appropriate terms into the commenter's sentence so that you could understand it. It is not a "bait and switch" but what the original commenter clearly intended, not your silly paraphrase. You are the dishonest person here. Note that several others besides me are objecting to your misreading.
Delete5:20 - With respect, you're referring to some prior comment you must have made, but I don't know which one. Again, I think it's a courtesy to use nyms, but especially so if you want to refer to what you've written in the past.
DeleteAnd you say "several others" are objecting, which may or may not be true. Without nyms, how can we tell?
Leroy, you and DG can form your own Somerby Defense League, but it won't change what Somerby is clearly saying today. We who disagree with Somerby are entitled to our own opinions. You don't like them, tough shit.
DeleteAttacking someone you call Slabby is bullying.
Somerby says he is showing respect for the victims. I find that doubtful too, because he has never called out any of the abuses of those victims. How then is he being respectful? It sounds more like he is being negligent and uncaring. Silence just doesn't convey respect, much less the kind of outrage most of us on the left are feeling these days.
I get it if you don't feel that outrage either. The people perpetrating abuses on behalf of Trump surely don't. But don't try to climb onto the wrong bandwagon simply because others are critical of Trump's wrongdoing. If you aren't going to challenge evil and object to Trump's behavior, you don't get to claim solidarity later on, because you don't like being lumped together with Trump's willing bad guys. And yes, there is clearly evil being done on the right and there are bad people doing it. Take a hint when folks like Marjorie Taylor Greene and Tucker Carlson are abandoning Trump. This is the point where people with even the slightest integrity are calling Trump what he is, not pretending to take the high road by not comparing Trump to Hitler when the similarities are unmistakable. NO, silence does not show respect.
DG, once again, you don't think about the content of what people are saying and then pretend you can't tell people apart. I'm not going to teach you to read when you clearly have no interest in anything but attacking others and defending Somerby -- classic trolling.
Delete"That Somerby will not acknowledge Hitler's evil is a black mark on Somerby's soul."
DeleteThis was the comment. It is not paraphrased or out-of-context. It is false. Somerby told us that 55 million are dead because of Hitler. Everything else written here by you anons is flak designed to distract.
"Attacking someone you call Slabby is bullying."
DeleteI beg you: Please don't start up with the whimpering! What is it about you folks who think nothing about "black marks on souls" but come completely apart when called something so innocuous as "Slabby"?
Name calling is obviously bullying.
DeletePlease don't call your Mother!
DeleteIs calling posters on TDH "Slabby" bullying?
DeleteThat theory sounds almost as stupid as the one about calling all Republican voters "bigots" is what gave us the Trump Presidency.
Please don't call bigots "economically anxious".
DeleteSomerby is not being stalked. He made his life public when he wrote and performed a one-man show about his life. There is nothing being revealed that isn't available in various places online, including public interviews and his own blog.
ReplyDelete"There is nothing being revealed that isn't available in various places online, including public interviews and his own blog."
ReplyDeleteYes, you're an obsessed, online stalker.
Says the guy who calls others Slabby and wants to know who they are so he can be uglier to them.
DeleteI think people who treat others badly online are the kind who would be attracted to someone like Trump, getting off on his mistreatment of helpless targets, vicariously enjoying what he does to those without political power, such as immigrants, poor people, children and women, all those who can't fight back. Republicans have been trying to kick Democrats around in those ways, but there is a large alliance against Trump being formed that will turn things around dramatically during the midterms.
DeleteCowards have been allying themselves with Trump, but so have sadists, misogynists, racists, and other kinds of bullies who revel in Trump's cruelty. I think Somerby belongs on that list, based on his writing here. DG and Leroy and Cecelia are termites. Now they want to be considered good people, but they just aren't.
I never used to like religious terms such as good and evil, but I am seeing the limits of Somerby's attempts to use psychiatric terms to describe Trump. They just aren't fair or adequate to his combination of bad traits and motives. I know that there are people who work in the justice system who encounter truly evil people who have done horrible things beyond imagining. They too eschew psychiatric terminology because it just doesn't fit the wrongness of what such criminals do. I think Trump belongs on a list of evil miscreants beyond everyday politicians, along with Hitler, Stalink, Pol Pot, Ivan the Terrible, and others who epitomize what is meant by the word evil in human form. I believe history will characterize Trump that way, after he has left this earth. Now I understand why such terms were invented and when they should be used. Trump is evil and I will say it, even if Somerby will not.
@5:44 thinks people who treat others badly online...would be attracted to someone like Trump. Yet, anti-Trump people call me nasty names all the time. OTOH I, a Trump supporter, do not call them nasty names.
DeleteSo I shouldn't call you folks "Slabby" because that would make me a "termite." Got it.
DeleteOut of curiousity, why did you go out of your way to slime Cecelia? She hasn't been part of this at all. Is that what those who are "considered good people" do?
I hate like hell to agree with DiC, but he does have a point.
DeleteI don’t hear a denial.
DeleteI deny that I'm a termite.
DeleteWhy are some so mean to a lying sack of shit fascist troll boy like DiC?
Delete6:51 - I'm told by 5:44 that you must be the kind of person who is attracted to Trump. Can this be true?
Delete7:18: you appear to be confused, the polite lying sack of shit troll boy obviously is attracted to Trump. Why do you ask?
DeleteCalling posters "Slabby" might turn them into people who slab, the way calling Republican voters "bigots" might turn them into bigots.
DeleteSure, it's a nonsense theory from the mind of someone who has the intellectual and emotional make-up of an 11-year old boy, but that hasn't stopped Somerby from repeating that idiocy on his blog for years.
In Somerby's defense, he stopped asking us to listen to what Right-wingers say, after we followed his advice and reported back to him that Republican voters are racist as fuck.
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