FRIDAY, JUNE 5, 2026
Did Gutfeld get something right? During the last year of his life, Barney Frank was concerned with the possible loss of "our democracy."
More specifically, and quite constructively, he was concerned with the possibility that members of his own political tribe might be contributing to the danger. For that reason, he wrote the book which will be published later this year, the book which carries this title:
The Hard Path to Unity: Why We Must Reform the Left to Rescue Democracy
How constructive were Frank's critiques? There will be no way to know until the book appears—and when it does, no one will comment or care.
But in the final few months of his life, he gave interviews to the New York Times and to the Atlantic.
The Atlantic's James Kirchick has seen the book. It seems to us that he made an important point as he discussed Frank's views:
Barney Frank’s Second Coming Out
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Many progressives believe their own hearts to be pure but cannot conceive that anyone to their right might have sincere reasons for opposing them on borders, crime, foreign policy, or any other issue. “Many of these zealots,” Frank writes, “are convinced that the source of their abandonment is some form of corruption.”
So Frank writes, in his book.
Kirchick, a conservative-leaner, may have seemed like a strange choice for this assignment, but Rep. Frank signed on. Meanwhile, who are the "zealots" to whom Frank refers in that one quote?
We can't tell you that. But it's completely natural for progressives, and for everyone else, to assume that their own motives are pure and that those who disagree simply must be corrupt.
We human beings are wired that way. It's how we're inclined to react.
In fact, we Blues managed to find a very large number of ways to help President Trump return to the White House. As is natural, w Blues have often had trouble perceiving that fact. That makes it more likely that we the people will never be able to find a way out of the threat to "our democracy"—out of our current extremely dangerous societal mess.
It's true! Much of the gruesome behavior which emanates from the Fox News Channel is built around legitimate complaints about Democratic Party governance and Blue American issue framing. If we had to compile a list of such triggers, we'd start with the (still unexplained) border policy conducted under President Biden, but then we'd continue from there.
Many complaints voiced on appalling programs like The Five are built upon a legitimate base. That doesn't make the pseudo-journalistic behavior less gruesome, but it helps explain why there's a large audience for the gruesome behavior displayed on such programs—an audience from which the corporate bosses at Fox are apparently happy to profit.
How gruesome does that behavior get, even as our own tribe's journalistic stars and media orgs agree to look away? Simply put, there's no way to keep up with the ugly behavior, or with the attendant stupidity of the imitation of journalism persistently aired on the channel to which we've referred..
There's no way to keep up with the channel's childish, ugly "masculinism," or with its sick imitations of journalism—its imitations of human life. That brings us back to the questions with which we began this week's reports.
We posted those questions in Monday's report. Those questions concerned conditions at the Delaney Hall Detention Center, an ICE facility in Newark.
Based on news reports from the previous week, our questions went like this:
Have detainees at Delaney Hall been served food containing maggots?
Also:
Last Wednesday, did three congressmen observe this unacceptable state of affairs as they toured the site?
News reports by CBS News and the Associated Press made it seem that at least one congressman, or possibly three, had actually seen such food being served, but the writing in their news reports was perhaps a bit fuzzy.
In this Facebook post, the Washington Post seemed to say the same thing, mentioning Rep. Jerry Nadler by name.
That said, how about it? Did the congressmen actually see such food being served? By now, we'd say the answer is tilting toward a possible no, although there's no way to be be sure.
We've seen no one pursue the three congressmen to nail down the question of what they saw at the detention center. Meanwhile, this very Wednesday, the editorial board at the Washington Post seemed to backslid on that question a bit, in the manner shown:
Alarming cruelty reported at Delaney Hall demands accountability
The state of New Jersey filed a lawsuit this week against the operator of a privately run immigration detention center in Newark, claiming that health inspectors were denied full access to the facility. It’s the latest reminder that the federal government’s immigration enforcement system desperately needs greater transparency and accountability.
The facility, called Delaney Hall, has become a flash point in recent weeks. Reports of unsanitary and inhumane conditions, which have become disturbingly common among detention facilities nationwide, have resulted in violent clashes outside the building between protesters and police. The situation has gotten so bad that Newark Mayor Ras Baraka (D) imposed a curfew around the center, and Gov. Mikie Sherrill (D) deployed state troopers to manage the crowds.
[...]
[T]he federal government has an obligation to ensure that detainees in its custody, even if they illegally entered the country, are not subject to cruel conditions. Immigration detention centers are not supposed to be punitive; their purpose is to temporarily house immigrants while courts review their cases.
For weeks, detainees and attorneys advocating for them have accused the Delaney facility of providing poor living conditions and inadequate medical care despite outbreaks of covid and the flu. Some prisoners have joined a hunger strike, alleging that they have been served expired food and even meals containing live worms. Others have said they were subjected to solitary confinement.
The editorial continues from there—and for starters, good for the board! The editorial board correctly asserts that detainees must not be subjected to cruel conditions—but the board has slid away from the original claim about the three congressmen.
"Maggots" have become "live worms;" we see no difference there. But the assertions about this matter are now being sourced to statements made by detainees. The notion that congressmen actually observed some such state of affairs have disappeared from this editorial.
Elsewhere, Blue news orgs simply ignored this allegation, right from the start. No one seems to have asked Rep. Nadler to say what exactly he saw. Could it be that we Blues just plain simply perhaps don't especially care?
The claim last week was horrendous enough, but behavior at the Fox News Channel was immeasurably worse. It was that behavior which led us to focus on this matter as the week began.
It began last Thursday with ugly behavior, then slid downhill from there.
It's as we noted on Monday. "Who cares if there are maggots?" the channel's grisly Greg Gutfeld histrionically asked, on last Thursday's edition of The Five.
"Who cares if [detainees] don't like the food?" Gutfeld's sidekick, Jesse Watters, soon added.
At Media Matters, a fuller (though incomplete) bit of transcript was supplied. The inanity continued from the point where this transcript stopped, but—with paragraph breaks added for a modicum of clarity—this is the Media Matters transcript of the bulk of what Gutfeld said on last Thursday's The Five:
Greg Gutfeld on the federal detention center at Delaney Hall: “Maggots or not, the food is dietitian approved”
Gutfeld: “Who cares if there are maggots?
GREG GUTFELD (CO-HOST): In terms of the complaints, there's no video, medical records, or public reports, but I have to admit Jerry Nadler went there. And you know what he said? The food comes in small portions.
JESSICA TARLOV (CO-HOST): And has maggots in it.
GUTFELD: Yeah, but it's in small portions.
TARLOV: I get you want to call him fat, but there's—
GUTFELD: No. Why would you say that? He has a medical condition, Jessica, my God! He's obese, not fat!
But the conditions are roughly the same as where they came from. Messy johns, medical delays. But maggots or not, the food is dietitian approved.
I don't see the maggots. Why aren't they documented? They get 24/7 medical access. But here's the key, and this is the only thing you need to remember:
When the opposition to immigration policy scales up, the complaints spike. They're aggregated, and they are amplified, designed to set the stage for this chaotic mess. But these people, you do not have to fear them, you do not have to listen to them, they created the problem, they have lost the privilege of input.
You can complain all you want about the maggots. I don't believe you. Because I don't believe any Democrat about immigration. It's just like commenting on Trump's health after enabling Biden's cover-up. I don't have to listen to that anymore.
You guys blew it. Trump sealed what you broke, the border. Now he's cleaning up the aftermath. You can't stand there and tell us how to clean up the mess. You lost that right.
DANA PERINO (CO-HOST): Jessica, I will go to you. Why does it have to go from—instead of saying, "Fix this problem"—if there are maggots in the food. Like again, I don't know—
GUTFELD: Who cares if there are maggots?
Videotape is provided at the Media Matters link.
"Who cares if there are maggots?" he thoughtfully interjected. But an array of ugly and stupid comments preceded that question, and Watters hadn't yet had the chance to offer this thought:
"Who cares if they don't like the food?"
Regarding the food, it's "dietitian approved," Gutfeld had mockingly said. Before that, he had engaged in one of his standard jibes on the theme that Rep. Nadler is just too BLEEPing fat.
(There's a long, coarse backstory here, built around Gutfeld's endless, brain-damaged ruminations about Nadler's imagined bathroom behaviors. And yes, this is the kind of product the Fox News Channel provides in its primetime "cable news" coverage.)
Gutfeld had also said that "messy johns" are the norm where the detainees come from. And he had voiced the remarkable journalistic theory which he now routinely voices:
Because Democrats opened the border and misstated about President Biden's health, people within his own Red tribe no longer have to listen to any claim any liberal or Democrat makes!
We Blues can complain as much as we like. In a classic prescription for a failed state, Gutfeld persistently instructs Red American viewers that they should no longer listen or care.
Also, of course, "Maggots or not, the food is dietitian approved!" So went this messaging agent's mocking reaction in the face of the claim about maggots.
The conversation got dumber from there, with Watters joining in. The next day, Watters performed the role of clown to perfection, reading "the whole monthly menu" for the center, desserts and all, as if a pudding is just as sweet if it arrives with live worms in it.
The rest of the children sat around, laughing and pretending that this behavior made sense. This Monday, Delaney Hall was discussed again, with Watters recalling his reading of the menus:
WATTERS (6/1/26): They were complaining they didn't have ethnic food. We looked at the menu, it looked like Taco Bell...Instead of talking about health care or high gas prices, they're worrying about what cereal we're feeding some maniac from Honduras! That's the problem with Democrats!
Few detainees are maniacs. It isn't clear that many or most of the detainees should be detained at all, but this is the way this game is played on this ersatz "news channel."
It went downhill from there. By the end of Monday's segment, Gutfeld was deriding Senator Andy Kim (D-NJ) as "a little douche."
"Little Kim—what a little douche," the 61-year-old "bad boy" said.
Watters jumped in to improve the play. He and Gutfeld took turns deriding Senator Kim as "the real Lil' Kim," a wonderfully entertaining reference to the lady rapper.
Much of what gets said on this show is built upon reasonable complaints. From there, the reaction tends to move in the direction of ugly and the ginormously dumb.
President Trumnp's bizarre behaviors and lunatic claims will simply never be mentioned. In this way, the furious Gutfeld and the clowning clown Watters engineer an epistemic silent secession, in which Red Americans are allowed to retain spotless minds about President Trump while hearing endless insults aimed at the douchebags found in the other America.
Meanwhile, we Blues! Our big news orgs report none of this profoundly destructive behavior. The ugly insults aimed at women by Gutfeld's broken brained masculinism go unreported as well.
Do we Blues sometimes give them the fuel from which this soul-draining conduct is launched? We leave you today with this one thought about the maggots:
Gutfeld said he didn't believe that there were maggots. As far as we have ever learned from any Blue American news org, it could be that he was right!
Frank said we Blues need to step up our game. As a general matter, we agree with that assessment.
That said, do we Blues possess the skill to see where we may be proceeding in error? As humans, we Blues, like the Reds, aren't necessarily wired that way.
Based on our tribe's widespread self-assurance, we anticipate little improvement until a highly skilled leader appears.
Starting Monday: "When language goes on holiday!" (Reports on the Callais decision. Thoughts on what comes next.)
“it's completely natural for progressives, and for everyone else, to assume that their own motives are pure and that those who disagree simply must be corrupt”
ReplyDeleteI don’t think it’s natural. I think conservatives tend to think that liberals are wrong, not that they’re corrupt. Conservatives believe that the policies we favor simply work better.
IMO sometimes liberal opinion leaders manipulate their followers by taking advantage of the focus on having good motives.
Corruption is not subjective. Conservatives have no right to steal from the American public, no matter how they excuse or justify their actions. This has nothing to do with "policies" but with theft of tax dollars and looting of public resources.
DeleteTrump's main motive is to steal. How do you dress that up? It seems to me conservatives don't bother with motives. They stare us in the eyes and say "what are you going to do about it?" That is dishonest.
More briefly
Delete“Conservatives think liberals are good people with wrong ideas; liberals think conservatives are bad people with wrong ideas.”
Yes, liberals think this, and with good reason. Those bad ideas on the right seem to attract bad people who then commit bad deeds. Look at George Santos for example. And Stephen Miller. Can you say those are good people who merely have wrong ideas? I can't.
DeleteYes, Santos is not a good person. He's a liar. But, what's wrong with Stephen Miller, except that you disagree with his ideas, @11:59?
DeleteDavid, Trump is the most corrupt individual ever to occupy the White House. He and his family are massively profiting off of his office. The insider trading, the government contracts, etc. It’s just off the charts. And it is objectively provable. And yet you never say anything about it, certainly not condemning it.
DeleteMiller is a fucking stupid heartless evil Nazi Jew like you David, what's not to love?
Delete"Conservatives" think that humans are inherently bad. This misguided notion largely comes from monotheistic religions, primarily Christianity.
DeleteBut we know from behavioral science that this is false.
"Conservative" refers to an emergent personality trait.
Non- conservatives are folks that have at least some vague awareness of science, regardless of their emotional response to any given issue.
That's the main difference, which results in conservatives supporting a dog eat dog world, whereas non-conservatives want to help those in need.
Santos is a liar but Miller isn't ....
DeleteLOL!!
Trump is not a good person. He’s a liar.
Delete"those who disagree simply must be corrupt."
DeleteThis is a strawman. There are many more reactions on the left to those on the right than assuming they are corrupt.
It surprises me that Frank would be such a simplistic black and white thinker. Perhaps this is a symptom of his aging and impending death.
Delete"what's wrong with Stephen Miller, except that you disagree with his ideas"
DeleteTo state the obvious, it's more than Miller's 'ideas' that Dems disagree with. Miller isn't an ivory-towered professor writing obscure bookd on public policy. Hie 'ideas' turn into actions, to wit: the murders of Renee Good and Alex Pretti.
This comment section is proof that politics can turn into a full-contact sport in about three replies. 😅 Everyone seems convinced they're the only person seeing reality clearly, while everyone else is either misguided or evil.
DeleteAt the end of the day, most people are probably just trying to make sense of a complicated world through their own experiences. Disagreeing is one thing, but turning every discussion into a battlefield rarely changes anyone's mind.
Personally, when debates get this heated, I take a break and read something completely different. Recently I stumbled across https://BalmoralGreen.com/ and it was a nice reminder that not every conversation on the internet has to end with people throwing virtual chairs at each other.
What do you think—has political discussion become more polarized, or are we just seeing it more because of social media?
Here is some actual media criticism, from Tiedrich:
ReplyDeleteFirst he commends Hunter Biden for fighting back against more media idiocity. Hunter says:
"Trump hasn’t made a public appearance in 8 days. This after an unscheduled visit to the hospital- because he “likes getting check ups.” Thank God Jake Tapper (or as I like to call him- the Brick Tamland of his generation) is on the case hunting down clues in a book about my mom’s experience as First Lady four years ago."
Then Hunter says:
"So let me get this straight. Jake Tapper is focused on attacking my Mom. Jared and Ivanka are building a private island paradise on Albanian protected land. Don Jr married the daughter of Epstein’s banker, and a startup his fund backs just got a record $620M Pentagon loan. Eric is taking an Israeli drone company public for $1.5B in the middle of a war with Iran that nobody wanted. And I know: “But what about your paintings, Hunter?” Please."
Then Tiedrich says:
"remember how the worthless scribblers of the corporate-controlled press lost their fucking minds because Hunter Biden sold some paintings for a few thousand dollars? where are their howls of outrage, now that Dear Leader’s awarded multi-hundred-thousand dollar contracts to companies co-owned by his two felonious failsons?
hey, you know what Hunter Biden can do that MAGA can’t? laugh at himself."
If Somerby had half a clue left in his soggy old brain, he might be asking why the right is so obsessed with Biden, acknowledged by famous experts on the presidency to be the best president since FDR, instead of tending their own garden and curbing Trump's excesses, if not removing him outright?
The press failure here has nothing to do with Gutfeld or Watters but with a press corps that refuses to ask Republicans why they ignore Trump's crimes and enable his lawbreaking, not just the corruption involving his own family, but his blatant failure to abide by our Constitution, the rulings of our courts, and the laws enacted by Congress.
We think it’s good that the King ignores the Constitution, at least he’s trying
DeleteWell I for one was convinced by Neet Gingrich that Hunter paying his dad back $7,200 dollars for a truck loan was, "the crime of the Century!" Do the maths sheeple!!!!
DeleteHunter is cool: he has a well sized penis, a hot looking wife (unlike the weird and overly masculine Republican Stepford wives), and excels at painting.
DeleteI enjoy how Hunter drives Republicans nuts, exposing all their insecurities (undersized penis, nobody likes them except for their money, they're incompetent at everything they do).
Back during the scandal, I looked up Biden's paintings to see whether the prices were justified. I was impressed by them artistically and would have welcomed them in my own home (but I cannot afford to collect art like that). I think they are worth what people paid for them and would fit into any serious art museum or gallery, unlike the paintings done by George W. Bush, which are amateurish and no doubt being created for his own amusement.
Delete"Much of what gets said on this show is built upon reasonable complaints."
ReplyDeleteNo, it isn't. That Somerby would say this illustrates his conservative leanings.
Typically when a prominent candidate, particularly for federal office, comes under attack for personal/sex-related reasons, Somerby jumps to their defense.
DeleteIn recent years the caveat being, they must be Republican.
Somerby is notably silent while corporate media tries to take down a Senate candidate with hit pieces, this also illustrates his conservative leanings.
What a surprise. The fucking NY Times putting out a hit piece right before the primary in Maine. I haven’t been this surprised since the fucking NY Times partnered with Clinton Cash author in 2015
DeleteIs it wrong to have conservative leanings? It's certainly wrong to have MAGA leanings, but is it wrong to have conservative leanings?
DeleteDepends on what you do, not political philosophy.
Delete"That said, do we Blues possess the skill to see where we may be proceeding in error? As humans, we Blues, like the Reds, aren't necessarily wired that way."
ReplyDeleteThe idea that humans are not wired to have any critical faculty is contradicted by our history of science, literature and art, all of which rely upon self-criticism and is mediated by the critical faculties applied in artistic criticism and scientific peer review. Progress comes from accepting criticism both internal and external.
Somerby's silly idea that we humans cannot benefit from criticism is wrong at its core. Maybe he, as a standup comedian and writer who will not read his own comments, cannot accept even constructive criticism, but that does not typify others, including Democrats.
Here is where Somerby might have discussed the aborted critique of the Harris campaign and the reception of it by various other Democrats, including strategists, pundits and observers. It is not the kind of politically motivated crap Somerby serves up to damage Blue America daily in this blog. Nor would Frank agree with Somerby's use of his own work. That may be why Somerby is putting forth Frank's views after his death (when he cannot object) and before his book appears (who no one can point to contradicts between Frank's own words and Somerby's abuse of them.
Whatever else he was, Barney Frank was always a Democrat with Democratic interests close to his heart. The same cannot be said of Somerby, who is the lowest of the low and knows absolutely nothing about what would be good for Democrats, only what his right wing handlers want him to push meme-wise on a given day.
"Gutfeld said he didn't believe that there were maggots. As far as we have ever learned from any Blue American news org, it could be that he was right!"
ReplyDeleteActually, Somerby quoted what the press reported that Nadler said about maggots. Maggot and two other congress members observed the conditions in detention first-hand. They are eye-witnesses. On what basis does Somerby set aside Nadler's statement that maggots were in the food. There are pictures.
The press reported that stuff faithfully, attibuting it to reputable sources. I would trust Nadler before I would trust Gutfeld, who holds no responsible position and did not participate in any inspection of those detention facilities.
A few days ago, I listed at least five other detention centers where maggots have been reported, photographed and attested to by public officials (not ICE). These corroborate and increase the likelihood that reports of maggots at the NJ facility are true.
But Somerby chooses to believe Gutfeld, a comedian with no public role, not a journalist of any kind but an entertainer whose job is to spread propaganda.
I question Somerby's judgment and his motives when he says things like this. Too much Fox watching has been known to turn previously reasonable people into MAGA true believers. Somerby has apparently become one of the unfortunate, but he did it to himself, choosing to consume Fox 24/7 (in his own words).
Somerby thinks the media should come to his house to deprogram him. He fails to acknowledge that the press has already provided him with enough info to disabuse Gutfeld of his lies, preferring to believe Gutfeld's propaganda. Somerby has responsibility himself for seeking out truth on such matters, no just consuming and believing whatever Gutfeld and Watters serve up. So does the rest of the gullible right.
typo correction: "Maggot and two other congress members" should say "Nadler and two other..."
DeleteYour just confusing me more so.
DeleteSomerby's marching orders: muddy the waters.
DeleteBarney Frank never said we need to do better, Barney Frank said.
ReplyDeleteSomerby is such an asshole.
Let's just agree that the people who write that Democrats supporting trans rights is a loser politically, are saying the same thing as those who write that anyone who isn't a bigot, or isn't perfectly fine with bigotry, left the Republican Party over a quarter of a century ago.
ReplyDeleteSpot on.
DeleteThis is an example of what I talked about above -- how liberals are manipulated by their focus on virtue. Take this example: A man was convicted of rape. The rapist simply asserted that he was a woman, so he was incarcerated in a women's prison. Liberals support this ridiculous practice, in order to avoid being called a BIGOT.
DeleteOh for God’s sake David. Conservatives used to call themselves the “party of family values” and “Real Americans”. You don’t think that conservatives view themselves as virtuous and liberals as layabouts and Commies and traitors? Of course, now that Trump is in office, you have jettisoned all notion that virtue is any kind of desirable quality since Trump is the most corrupt individual in the history of the United States.
DeleteGood point. @12:44. I might think Trump's policies will work better than Dem policies, but I surely could not claim that he's a good and admirable human being.
DeleteHave you figured out yet why Trump had a convicted child sex trafficker moved to a summer camp, dickhead, you fucking hypocritical troll bastard?
DeleteKennedy Center moves to erase Trump references after judge said they were illegally added
DeleteFu k u dickhead
but I surely could not claim that he's a good and admirable human being.
DeleteYour delusions are much worse, David: you think that Trump has policies. He has desire for self-enrichment and self-aggrandizement and persecuting his "enemies". He has no policies or understanding of policies. The mental fog of people who see policies in Trump's various flailings is morbidly fascinating.
People who hated Hitler, just because he killed over 6 million Jews, think they are better than the people who love Hitler for killing 6 million Jews.
DeleteBoth sides!
David has long campaigned for the national debt to exceed the GDP. Thanks to the hard work of Republican tax and never ending war policies, his dream has been achieved. God bless the party of economic responsibility that stands by America First!
DeleteFor god's sake commenters, David is a troll, nothing he says is genuine or accurate.
DeleteDavid is empowered by triggering responses to his bomb throwing.
Anon@3:29: On the flipside, David's weak attempts at justifying Trump and his inability to bring facts of insight serve to illustrate how MAGA "thinks".
DeleteIlya - You can dislike Trump's policies, but he definitely had a bunch of pretty significant ones: Shutting down the Southern border. Getting rid of illegal immigrants by deporting them and by convincing them to leave voluntarily. Ending DEI. Destroying Iran's military. Getting NATO countries to carry a larger part of defense costs. Trump had mixed success, but he certainly had policies.
DeleteDiC: Those weren’t Trump’s policies. They were part of project 2025, or Netanyahu’s policy (in the case of Iran). Trump campaigned on NO MORE FOREIGN WARS, lowering prices DAY ONE, etc. Trump’s main perhaps only goal (not policy) was enriching himself and his family. Oh, and building monuments to himself.
DeleteTell us how King Chickenshit stole a young woman’s Nobel Peace Prize, dickface, you fucking fascist freak. Isn’t that on your fucking list? Creep.
DeleteWhy does David think that being in a women's prison is so much better than being in a men's prison that men will lie and dress up in order to be locked up with women?
DeleteHe should watch the show "Orange is the New Black". Female criminals are not society ladies. Not all women are nice. He might miss the exercise options (weight-lifting, basketball) and work options. Or maybe he mistakenly thinks he would have sex with the female inmates, instead of being raped by guards.
At the heart of his concern is his belief that trans people are just pretending and not actually being a different gender. This is a majorly insulting view that has very little support from experts who work with transpeople.
Note that David comes back to his same stubborn views no matter what you say to him. That indicates bad faith and an unwillingness to learn. The way you unteach prejudice in young people is to assign them to work with those they hate, give them a common goal, and let them experience each other's company. This is much like what happens on sports teams, where atheletes do form better opinions of the dissimilar members of their own teams.
Too late for David, I'm afraid.
"Orange Is the New Black: My Year in a Women's Prison (titled Orange Is the New Black: My Time in a Women's Prison in some editions) is a 2010 memoir by American author Piper Kerman, which tells the story of her money laundering and drug trafficking conviction and subsequent year spent in a federal women's prison."
DeleteDon’t you understand there will be a stampede of young boys and men claiming to be women just so they can win in sports competitions. The temptation to ruin their lives will be irresistible 🤭
DeleteDavid is a troll.
Delete“cannot conceive that anyone to their right might have sincere reasons for opposing them”
ReplyDeleteThis really makes no sense. It’s also an unfair characterization. If I disagree with someone, I think they are wrong on the issue. Progressives think conservatives are wrong on these issues, conservatives think progressives are wrong. What is this added psychobabble about “not having sincere reasons?” Or “corruption?” If I think blacks should have unfettered right to vote, I disagree with anyone who thinks otherwise. If I think gays should be allowed to marry, I disagree with those who don’t and think they’re wrong on the issue. If I oppose slavery, I disagree with anyone who supports it. It seems to me that that is the nature of disagreement. The added idea, which Somerby has often stated in the past, that liberals (and apparently only liberals) think they’re “better than the Others” because they disagree is just propaganda. Of course liberals think their policy ideas are better than those of conservatives. The reverse is also true. Why add the extra psychologizing, other than to denigrate the motives of liberals with strong opinions?
Somerby thinks he can manipulate his readers like he did his fifth graders, those few years he taught to avoid the draft.
DeleteWhat Bob does not say is that Fox News provides such maggot infested slop because that's what its viewers want. Of course, if you point that out, you become responsible for what Fox viewers choose to watch, because you are insulting them by pointing out that they choose to watch it. It's the Somerby Circle.
ReplyDeleteDoes Somerby have any issue that he gives a shit about, other than chastising liberals? Climate change? Health care? Mistreatment of ICE detainees? Or must we all resort to insipid, tepid responses to things?
ReplyDeleteRepublicans are hell bent on destroying our country, in order to benefit a handful of billionaires.
DeleteYet Somerby keeps whistling his same brain dead right wing tune, without a genuine or sincere care in the world.
Yeah, it's brain dead to want accuracy in discussions of public policy.
DeleteThere is no question about the accuracy of the quote of Nadler.
Delete“we anticipate little improvement until a highly skilled leader appears.”
ReplyDeleteThe great man theory. It figures.
Yeah, this focus on maggots and the verity of the reporting seems a strange path for Bob to take. It’s confusing. Worms or not, the very existence of these facilities is in itself an abomination. Forest for the trees, Bob.
ReplyDeleteLeroy
Hi Leroy. It may be because getting the maggots claim wrong gives the Fox Newses of the world an opportunity to cast doubt on the larger issue. Not that it makes sense that getting the maggots claim wrong would make the broader claim you were talking about wrong. But that's sometimes how people think and reason and how propaganda can be effective. So the point is, why hand the Fox Newses the opportunity?
DeleteActually, the issue is, are the news reports accurately reporting what the congressmen said, not “are there or are there not maggots in the food”.
DeleteFox News has no significant impact on culture or elections, the views and voting pattern of the Fox News audience is baked in and unchanging.
DeleteOld school Dems think we need to take notice of and respond to Republican nonsense in a serious manner, and that is how we, in part, got in this mess, but new Dems are not falling for that, and that is driving right wingers like Somerby apoplectic.
When new Dems encounter Republican nonsense, they just ignore it or mock it and use it to show how out of touch Republicans are, this is a main reason why Republicans are now so deeply unpopular and why Trump is now the least popular president in history.
In reality, it is people like Someby, not modern Dems, that got us in this mess.
For god's sake commenters, Somerby is a troll, nothing he says is genuine or accurate.
DeleteSomerby is empowered by triggering responses to his bomb throwing.
ReplyDeleteSpeaking of good policies, it looks like Trump's tariffs are working just the way he said they would.
The U.S. economy posted a third straight month of strong job gains in May, confirming the labor market was gaining traction after stumbling last year and giving the Federal Reserve more room to keep interest rates unchanged amid rising inflation due to the war in the Middle East.
The closely watched employment report from the Labor Department on Friday painted an upbeat picture of the jobs market. The economy added 93,000 more jobs in March and April than previously estimated and the unemployment rate held at 4.3% for a third consecutive month.
The tariffs are unconstitutional.
DeleteDavid in Cal,
DeleteImagine how awful that news would be for Trump, if Right-wingers who bitched about the cost of groceries when Biden lowered the unemployment rate to the lowest in 60 years gave a shit at all about the unemployment rate.
Fortunately for Trump, the Unemployment rate holding steady, like inflation, isn't going to keep minorities in their place---so Republican voters don't care one iota about it.
Biden's worst inflation was 9.1%. Trump's worst inflation was only 3.8%.
Deletehttps://www.usinflationcalculator.com/inflation/historical-inflation-rates/
Have you figured out yet why Trump had a convicted child sex trafficker moved to a summer camp, dickhead, you fucking hypocritical troll bastard?
DeleteFuck off troll.
DeleteHi, DiC. Remember Covid? Inflation spiked. What was the rate when Biden left office?
DeleteYou’re wasting your time with that dickhead troll. The next honest argument he makes in good faith will be his first.
Delete"it looks like Trump's tariffs are working just the way he said they would."
DeleteIn order to credibly make this claim, you'd have to show which iimport products have decreased due to tariffs, then also show increases in domestic employment in those same sectors.
So DiC, all we need is the link to this data. Since you've already looked at it, it should be easy to provide.
The chart on the right shows US manufacturing increasing at and increasing rate during the last 3 months. That's not long enough to reach a definite conclusion, but it's a step in the right direction.
Deletehttps://www.census.gov/manufacturing/m3/current/index.html
BTW if you click on the chart, you get an enlarged version.
There's an empty set going around the internet, which supposedly lists all the Republican voters who aren't bigots.
DeleteDavid in Cal,
DeleteIf the inflation rate was 90% under Trump, Republican voters still wouldn't care.
Similarly, when Biden's worst inflation rate was 9.1%, not one Republican voter cared at all about it.
On the other hand, black people having political representation was a huge concern for Republican voters--for some reason the mainstream, corporate-owned, Right-wing media and Bob Somerby refuse to explain.
“She” and “her” in the following, refer to the United States:
ReplyDelete“I accuse her of insulting the majesty of Heaven with the grossest mockery that was ever exhibited to man — inasmuch as, professing to be the land of the free and the asylum of the oppressed, she falsifies every profession, and shamelessly plays the tyrant.
I accuse her, before all nations, of giving an open, deliberate and base denial to her boasted Declaration, that "all men are created equal; that they are endowed by their Creator with certain inalienable rights; that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness."
I accuse her of disfranchising and proscribing nearly half a million free people of color, acknowledging them not as countrymen, and scarcely as rational beings, and seeking to drag them thousands of miles across the ocean on a plea of benevolence, when they ought to enjoy all the rights, privileges and immunities of American citizens.
I accuse her of suffering a large portion of her population to be lacerated, starved and plundered, without law and without justification, at the will of petty tyrants.
I accuse her of trafficking in the bodies and souls of men, in a domestic way, to an extent nearly equal to the foreign slave trade; which traffic is equally atrocious with the foreign, and almost as cruel in its operations.
I accuse her of legalizing, on an enormous scale, licentiousness, fraud, cruelty and murder.”
Sounds like a man who thinks he’s virtuous, that the opposition has corrupt and immoral motives. How unreasonable of him. His name was William Lloyd Garrison, and he was a fierce opponent of slavery.
He was right, of course.
I’m not saying that gay rights and trans rights or civil rights for Black people or women’s rights are necessarily on the same level as slavery, but if you are a person who is gay or black or a woman or trans or you have friends or family member members who are these things and you see them being treated unjustly and demonized by our fucking president and his party, then I think your passion is maybe a little bit warranted.
“ Have detainees at Delaney Hall been served food containing maggots? ”
ReplyDeleteLet me point out the this direction that Summerby offers up here. He quotes from CBS News and AP reports about something that Jerry Nadler Dan Goldman at Al supposedly said about maggots in the food.
Sorry, fat fingers. Here’s what I meant to post:
Delete“Have detainees at Delaney Hall been served food containing maggots? ”
Let me point out the misdirection that Somerby is engaged in here. He asks are there really maggots in the food? Except that isn’t the issue with the reporting by CBS News and AP news. The issue is actually: did the congressman say that they specifically saw maggots in the food or not, or did they simply report what the detainees said about maggots in the food?
I'd be happy if we rid the world of all the Magats.
DeleteMore than half the donors to Trump’s $400 million White House ballroom just won over $50 billion in new federal contracts in six months.
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Sixteen of these 27 donors were facing federal enforcement actions, antitrust reviews, labor cases, securities charges. Many of those cases have been quietly dropped or scaled back since Trump took office.
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The White House won’t even release the full donor list.
It's the corruption morans.
DeleteRemember when dickhead in cal was raving here every day that the golden ballroom wasn’t going to cost taxpayers a penny
Delete"Kirchick, a conservative-leaner, may have seemed like a strange choice for this assignment, but Rep. Frank signed on."
ReplyDeleteThat's a tough one Bob.
"James Kirchick is gay. The journalist and author of Secret City: The Hidden History of Gay Washington is an openly gay man who has written and spoken extensively on international gay rights and American LGBTQ
So is Lindsey Graham. Your point?
DeleteSo's ___________. What's YOUR point?
DeleteSomerby keeps talking about things we Democrats do, as if there were an authoritarian Democratic structure issuing marching orders from on high, followed by all Democratic rank and file. That isn't what happens, not even during election years.
ReplyDeleteTake the example of Drag Queen Story Hour, one of the things that Republicans have villainized and that Frank and Somerby might consider a step too far for Democrats. This activity emerged from the gay community. It involves gay and straight men dressed in drag costumes (flamboyant and colorful clothing, not anything any woman would wear every day and not intended to resemble normal clothing for either sex). Drag resembles circus not normal clothing.
The point is to help young children and their parents learn that people who are different are not scary but can be fun and interesting to muffle the recoil some people (especially conservatives) exhibit when facing unusual behavior, in this case clothing choices. Those who live in urban areas have less of a problem with this than Republicans in isolated areas.
What happened as this movement grew? Republicans blamed it on woke and targeted the venues (libraries and restaurants) where drag events were being staged. They claimed young kids were being "sexualized" and propagandized and they overlooked both the fun parts and the message of tolerance. They turned this into a culture war activity and targeted those who were supportive, whether they were gay or read stories or not.
This is how the right's politicization of innocuous behavior works. When Barney Frank or Somerby point to this stuff and claim the left is moving too quickly, they forget that no one is organizing this except the people involved. It isn't coming from the Democratic top but from the grassroots, and there has been no directive to "move faster with the tolerance events" or anything like that. So when Somerby tells the left to stop doing the things we believe in on the left, he is in essence telling us to stop enjoying the freedoms and engaging in the activities we feel are important and enjoy doing. And why should any of us have to suppress ourselves to suit Somerby's idea of appropriate lefty behavior, or Frank's?
So who is Somerby directing these admonishments at? Is he saying that some of those on the left embarrass him and provoke right-wingers (who are truly snowflakes when it comes to targeting people with hate in order to make political hay)? If some of us want to respect other people's pronouns, because their pronouns are important to them, should Somerby say we can't do that? It isn't as if all Democrats even know what a pronoun is.
So what exactly does Somerby think should be happening. Does he think we blue women should all adopt the Mar a Lago look (big hair, full makeup, cosmetic surgery or falsies for bigger boobs, dresses always and pants never) so that conservatives won't attack women in pantsuits (the Hillary look) because they were traumatized when she ran for office? Or is this really just about telling other people what to do, and more Republicans will vote Democratic if we Democrats all do what we're told so we are no threat to anyone Trump appoints? And isn't this really just the kind of obeying in advance we were warned NOT to do when Trump took office and began implementing Project 25? It feels like that to me. I don't want to change my lifestyle to make it possible for Democratic candidates to be more electable after they issue all of us our Sex ID cards so we will know which bathroom to use.
I don't believe Barney Frank and Somerby have really thought through what it means to be less Democratic and more acceptable to those who hate people like us.
This is like addressing anti-semitism by asking your Jewish friends to try and look or behave a little less Jewish. Would you do it? I would be ashamed to make even the slightest suggestion along those lines.
DeleteAlso drag concerts and story hours are fun. And no kids are harmed in any way, also no drag queens and no librarians.
DeleteI don't think the drag queen readings teach children to accept all people who are different. I think the lesson children draw is that being a drag queen is acceptable.
DeleteDavid, being a drag queen IS acceptable. Who ever taught you it isn't? A drag queen is breaking no laws and hurting no one while engaging in entertainment tat other people find enjoyable. What on earth is wrong with that and why should children be taught that it is unacceptable when it is fully acceptable?
DeleteYou make some good arguments, @7:18. I'm no child psychologist, any answer I give is apt to be wrong. FWIW I think very young children should be first taught what's normal and common before they're taught to also accept unusual and uncommon things.
DeleteIMO the idea that there are two sexes is a fundamental fact. It applies not only to humans, but to many other species. Thousands of years of human behavior have followed this idea as abasic tenet. That's what I think children should be taught. Sure, they should also be taught to accept the rare people who are different. But, IMO they should be taught that one thing is normal and the other is exceptional.
There is a attempt today to more or less promote the idea that one can choose his/her sex. This is supported by the unscientific theory that we all have something called "gender" as well as sex. Sex can (usually) be determined objectively by one's physical characteristics. The alleged "gender" is supposed to be some subjective thing that a person somehow knows. IMO this theory is bogus. Children should not be taught to believe it.
But, I am not a child psychologist, so I might be wrong.
Costumes do not determine sex. There is no significance to normal vs abnormal, no value assigned to it. In the UK eccentricity is prized. Go rewatch Dead Poet’s Society. The concept of gender is not “unscientific.” Gender is learned as part of culture and it is distinct from sex.
DeleteIf you decide to teach kids idiosyncratic views that diverge from psychological science, you are setting them up for problems understanding themselves and others. Unless you plan to confine kids to a cult, it is better to let them learn this stuff in school from those who understand it and are not going to teach hate and stigma about anyone.
Left-handers are abnormal. Let’s burn them at the stake because they are in league with the devil. Teach your kids to avoid lefties. Some use their right hands but that is just to fool normal people into trusting them.
DeleteDiC thinks drag queens are bad for our children, yet he voted for a man who, with a baby son, cheated on his wife with a porn star, was close friends with sex trafficker and pedophile Epstein. You can’t get more cognitive dissonance than DiC and his ilk. Drag queens are saints compared to scum like Trump and hegseth.
DeleteDiC and his ilk used to say that homosexuality is unnatural. God made Adam and Eve not Adam and Steve. Children should not be taught to believe that they can have sex with someone of their own sex. It’s perverted. Remember that argument? Same as it ever was.
Delete@11:07 - You don't have to defend drag queens for my sake. I never said they were bad.
Delete@11:15 - I certainly never said anything like that. First of all, I'm a kind of homophile. Because I'm a big fan of the arts, and gay men tend to excel in that area, I am particularly drawn to them. Cole Porter, Tchaikovsky, Noel Coward and others are heroes to me.
Second, you can bet you never saw me write the words, "God made..."
"I think very young children should be first taught what's normal and common before they're taught to also accept unusual and uncommon things."
DeleteHey, kids.
Republicans like to rape children, like you. It's normal to them, as well as being completely usual.
“There is an attempt today to more or less promote the idea that one can choose his/her sex.” The idea that one can choose his/her sexual orientation is fully owned by the right wing. Likewise, the idea that gender identity is a choice is baked in to a right wing narrative that seeks to legitimize condemning and discriminating against transgender individuals.
Delete"That said, do we Blues possess the skill to see where we may be proceeding in error?"
ReplyDeleteHow is the expression of any political views during an election an "error"? People may or may not agree with them and may or may not vote for a candidate, but whether they do or don't, how is it an error to express one's views during a campaign.
When politicians try to second-guess focus groups and polls and limit themselves to popular or acceptable views instead of telling the truth about their own views and plans for office, they are lying to the public. That isn't part of our political process. It is deceptive. I think people can detect insincerity and will punish it by rejecting candidates who are too engaged in being all things to all people. Let the people decide who they want in office, not some preconceived party dictates about what is just the right amount of progress and what is a bridge too far for voters.
It sounds like Somerby and Frank (depending on what he actually said and meant) have no faith in the wisdom of voters and feel they must spoonfeed messages to them. That isn't how our system is supposed to work.
There have always been extremist candidates. Somer are on the political fringes. Some are psychologically unbalanced. Some enjoy the process and attention they get by running, even when they are unlikely to win (maybe they benefit from the publicity). Voters have sorted out the marginal candidates from the viable ones with their votes. The problems arise when money taints the electoral process, foreign countries meddle in our nation's elections, and parties try to skew results in artificial ways (gerrymandering, vote suppression) to gain an advantage beyond their candidate's appeal to voters. Trump cheated in 2016, 2020 and 2024. He should never have gained office at all. We need to reform our procedures to prevent that kind of tampering, but that doesn't change the nature of what happens when people evaluate candidates and cast their votes.
"When politicians try to second-guess focus groups and polls and limit themselves to popular or acceptable views instead of telling the truth about their own views and plans for office, they are lying to the public. That isn't part of our political process."
DeleteWhat. Planet. Do. You. Live. On.
Everyone lies. They lie in business. They lie in personal relationships. THEY LIE TO THEMSELVES. They do this because it works. People LIKE to be lied to. They LIKE being flattered. They LIKE being told what they want to hear. They LIKE being pandered to. They absolutely LOVE being told they're too smart to be pandered to, which is a particularly amusing -- and telling -- lie. They will listen to lies and go along with them even when there's great cost involved. Some degree of lying is absolutely necessary.
Lying the way Trump does it is not social white lies but criminal fraud. There is a big difference.
DeleteTrump lies in many ways. He tells the lies his supporters want to hear, and they accept his corruption in return.
DeleteAnyone who says there is a Republican voter who isn't a bigot is lying.
DeleteICE agents are threatening freedom of the press and attacking protesters outside the NJ detention facility:
ReplyDeletehttps://truthout.org/articles/outrage-mounts-at-assaults-of-journalists-and-hunger-strikers-at-delaney-hall/
Someone drove a car through the protest lines today.
Platner’s ex is a Republican operative. She co-founded Ladies for Kavanaugh.
ReplyDeleteRight. She's MAGA, which means she has zero credibility. Zippo. She embraces lies in the pursuit of political gain. Nothing she says should be believed.
DeleteMy Fanny is to be believed.
DeleteChuck Schumer and Hakeem Jeffries like her though.
Delete“ A New Jersey police sergeant has been charged with stealing an Associated Press photographer’s bag containing thousands of dollars worth of equipment during the Delaney Hall anti-ICE protests.
ReplyDeleteThe sergeant with the Essex County Prosecutor’s Office, Darryl Brown, was allegedly caught with the gear bag at his home after photojournalist Angelina Katsanis tracked it down using an Airtag geotracking device.
Katsanis had been covering the protests last Saturday night when she was struck in the knee during a clash between police and demonstrators. The bag containing $10,000 in equipment was stolen as she sought out treatment at a medical tent.”
Defunding the police isn't going to stop all their criminality.
DeleteWe need a much stronger deterrent.
From Paul Campos at Lawyers Guns & Money blog:
ReplyDelete“ The statement “cheating is bad” should be a tautology. In. other words, it should be like saying “cheating is cheating” or “bad is bad.”
A huge problem with Trumpism as a cultural and political movement is that it rejects this. Donald Trump is a cheater who doesn’t think cheating is bad if you can get away with it, which is the same thing as not thinking cheating is bad. He clearly feels the way about rape, the way a lot of men do (this is Feminism 101, which is a course certain elements of dudebro left are currently flunking).
Cheating on a spouse is just a particular subcategory of cheating in general, which is bad. Defrauding your creditors is bad. Not honoring contracts because you can litigate your way out of having to do so is bad. Collecting money for charitable purposes and then spending it on yourself is bad. And so forth.
But what’sreally bad is doing all these things and not feeling bad about doing them, because the person who does that is a sociopath, which is exactly what you don’t want anyone in a position of authority to be.”
Psychopath, not sociopath.
Delete“We need to do better”
ReplyDeleteVery eye opening piece here, where the author poses the question: “what if Christians were treated the way transgender people are treated today in the United States? “ The list of items done to transgender people is appalling. I’m sure no one here will read it, or care, least of all Somerby, but I honestly can’t abide this notion that we as democrats should allow this demonization in pursuit of votes. It’s evil, in my opinion:
What does government oppression really look like?
https://www.publicnotice.co/p/transgender-trump
If you want to lose elections , make transgender rights an issue. That is a sad fact. And Democrats losing elections is what gets us here.
DeleteWe'll be taking no more responses.
Delete5:22 has nailed the tell us "anyone who isn't a bigot, or isn't perfectly fine with bigotry, left the Republican Party over a quarter of a century ago", without using those exact words challenge.
Transgender rights are human rights. If you don't believe that, you are not a Democrat.
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