Joan Walsh profiles her Darling Chris!

TUESDAY, OCTOBER 1, 2013

Her uncles get drunker than yours: For our money, Chris Matthews’ relationship with Jack Welch is the great unexplored story of modern pseudo-journalism.

That said, we liberals aren’t even allowed to know that this question exists! We’re programmed to cluck about Rupert Murdoch. At the same time, we’ve never heard about Welch and NBC News and Clinton, Clinton and Gore.

Joan Walsh maintains this embargo in today’s Salon. Absurdly enough, Walsh is assigned to profile Matthews, the fellow who helped her earn her bones as a cable news star. For that reason, Walsh is willing to start the day’s con like this:
WALSH (10/1/13): Anyone who enjoys MSNBC’s Hardball With Chris Matthews will like his new book, “Tip and the Gipper: When Politics Worked,” because it’s Matthews’ story too. From a job as a Capitol policeman to a place on Air Force One writing speeches for President Carter to his stint as a special assistant to House Speaker Tip O’Neill throughout most of Ronald Reagan’s presidency, Matthews shows how he developed the ideas about politics he shares with his guests and his viewers daily.

A lot of what he tells President Obama he ought to try, he and O’Neill tried with Ronald Reagan and the 1980s Republicans. And sometimes, it worked.

On both Hardball and in “Tip and the Gipper,” Matthews’ realism vies with his romanticism, and his frank desire to like the politicians who serve us—even if they don’t deserve it. His Ronald Reagan is a good guy of genuine if harsh convictions who might have turned out like Tip O’Neill if he’d represented O’Neill’s North Cambridge district, he says.
Yay! We get to hear Matthews’ story too! For the record, this new book involves part of Matthews’ story, the part we’re permitted to hear.

With that in mind, excuse us? Does Chris Matthews really possess “a frank desire to like the politicians who serve us?” We’d love to see Walsh connect that desire to the many years Matthews spent trashing Clinton, Gore and Clinton in the most reprehensible ways possible, with terrible consequences for the nation and for the world.

(Matthews was actually quite influential in the late Clinton/Gore years.)

Almost surely, Matthews was simply serving Jack Welch, especially in the twenty months he spent savaging Candidate Gore. But Walsh will never ask him about those years or about that conduct. She is sitting on the inside. To her, Salon readers serve as the rubes.

That profile of Matthews’ “frank desire” was our first complaint with this ridiculous interview. Our second complaint concerns the way these two gigantic hacks began playing the tired old game, We Irish.

Yecch! The analysts always wail when Walsh goes into throwback mode and starts discussing “her people:”
MATTHEWS: Tip could never figure out Reagan’s hold on people. He’d say, “He’s cutting all these programs!” I mean, Tip thought more like you, he thought in terms of policy, not personality. He couldn’t believe a guy whose policies were tough on working people could win working people—

WALSH: The Reagan Democrats—my people—

MATTHEWS: He got the Irish, the Italians—the “Subway Alumni,” people who didn’t even go to college, because of “Knute Rockne, All American.” I think that’s one of the best things in the book, I show how Reagan won the “Subway Alumni.” It’s an old cultural thing. I still check the Notre Dame score—they lost to Oklahoma Saturday—and then Holy Cross. The first thing Tip and Reagan talked about was Knute Rockne.

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MATTHEWS: [Tip] was also a human being. He’d sit in that chair, I’d be scared to death. He’s 300 lbs., he’s 6-foot-3—he was the only white guy in his Weight Watchers group, it was all black women, he would go to these meetings to try to lose weight, but he couldn’t deal with it. But you know what? He liked to eat.

WALSH: He didn’t just have a bad metabolism—

MATTHEWS: No, he’d eat corned beef hash with an egg on top, he’d say, “Got another muffin? With butter on it?” When I’d meet him for lunch, sometimes I’d have eaten, and he’d say, “Don’t you dine at noon?” And when we’d go out and have a drink, and I was trying to quit, he’d say, “Can’t you take the stuff?”

WALSH: Wow.

MATTHEWS: And the answer was no, I can’t take the stuff, and I did quit. Reagan didn’t really drink at all, by the way, he was afraid of the Irish curse, his father had it. And you can’t argue with it. It’s the Irish curse.

WALSH: Yeah, I have it in my family, too. What do you think it is?

MATTHEWS: I don’t know. Maybe it’s that we still think it’s cute. It’s what you do.

WALSH: My father had to quit at 35, and some of my uncles had a hard time with it, he was no fun anymore. One of them used to spike his drinks to try to trick him.

MATTHEWS: Tip thought it was a discipline issue. He didn’t believe in alcoholism, you just had to control yourself.
My uncles get drunker than yours! This throwback Irishism would simply be annoying if it weren’t so clear that Irishism played a key role in the way the East Coast Irish Catholic crowd went crazy about Bill Clinton’s blow jobs, then turned against Candidate Gore as an extension of their cultural frenzy.

As Chris said to Joan about something safe, “It’s an old cultural thing.” At any rate:

In a truly strange and comical move, Welch reinvented NBC News as an East Coast Irish Catholic preserve. The cultural values of that group played a blindingly obvious role in the chase against Clinton and Clinton and then against Candidate Gore.

But as liberals, you aren’t allowed to think about that. Let’s talk about Rupert Murdoch instead. Hey, look over there! Roger Ailes!

How ridiculous is Walsh? Try to believe that Chris said this without a burp from Joan:
WALSH: Do you think Hillary Clinton should run in 2016?

MATTHEWS: You know, I saw her yesterday, I ran into her at the airport. And if she’s as healthy as she looks, she should run. I actually thought, “You know, maybe I should drop everything and help her.” I get these impulses. Because she needs guys around her like me. Guys who have a little more traditional attitude. She should put up with guys like me, because then she’ll win 70 percent.

WALSH: What would you tell her?

MATTHEWS: I’d keep a lot of the old Clinton stuff: Stand up for “the people who work hard and play by the rules.” “Make abortion safe, legal and rare.” And work on the culturally conservative people. You’ve already got the left. Be careful on the war issues. Don’t be hawkish. Don’t let Howard Dean or somebody go to your left on the war, and force you to the right. This party was burned by the Iraq War, all the leaders of the party burned us, except for Barack. Biden, Kerry, they were all wrong. They have this default to sign onto war. Which I hate. She starts with the women’s movement, women my age. Then she turns to the white working class, the Appalachian folks, even the folks with race problems like her, she did well with them. She has a chance to be Lyndon Johnson in ’64. I don’t know who could beat her.
He's keep a lot of the old Clinton stuff! Is this piece on loan from The Onion?

As Walsh knows perfectly well, Matthews’ behavior toward Hillary Clinton was unvarnished poison from the 1990s right through 2008. Now, he says that a future Candidate Clinton should sign him up as her brain!

Joan knows she mustn’t say boo about this. Chris is her beau ideal.

By the way: Did all the leaders of the Democratic Party “burn us regarding Iraq, except for Barack [Obama]?” If memory serves, a fellow named Gore gave several speeches warning against that war.

But so what? This is the way Matthews was talking about Gore at that time. He said this on the radio to his pal, Don Imus, with all of Washington listening:
MATTHEWS (11/1/01): He doesn’t look like one of us. He doesn’t seem very American, even.
In the wake of September 11, Al Gore didn’t seem very American to Chris.

Joan has forgotten all that. She hopes you will forget it too. Hillary Clinton should hire Chris Matthews! Everyone can see this!

26 comments:

  1. "Chris is her beau ideal."

    Way to do what you complain others do.

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    1. Leave now. We don't tolerate criticism of the blogger.

      YOU'VE BEEN WARNED!

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    2. Somerby has acted as a paid media shill doing the bidding of the rich to discredit Democrat candidates over the past several decades? When did that happen?

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  2. an american of irish-catholic heritageOctober 1, 2013 at 4:40 PM

     somerby says,

    “...Chris Matthews’ relationship with Jack Welch is the great unexplored story of modern pseudo-journalism. That said, we liberals aren’t even allowed to know that this question exists! We’re programmed to cluck about Rupert Murdoch.“

    >>> welch headed up general electric, which was parent company to nbc. welch retire in 2001. murdoch still runs news corp which owns fox news.
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    “Our second complaint concerns the way these two gigantic hacks began playing the tired old game, We Irish. “

    >>> this site is replete with somerby doing just that -- despite the fact that it ppears that somerby is decended more from other countries than from ireland.

    google:

    combox tdh site since late 2011: site:http://dailyhowler.blogspot.com “we irish”

    pre-combox tdh site : site:http://dailyhowler.com/ “we irish”


    “Irishism played a key role in the way the East Coast Irish Catholic crowd went crazy about Bill Clinton’s blow jobs, then turned against Candidate Gore as an extension of their cultural frenzy.”

    “Irishism”? that sounds like a throwback word to the 1900's american nativists complaints used against americans of irish catholic heritage who helped establish some catholic schools.


    “in a truly strange and comical move, Welch reinvented NBC News as an East Coast Irish Catholic preserve.”

    >>> “preserve” like for the likes of part german-american tim russert, half english-protestant anglophile chris mathews? (see their wikipedia entries, etc.). but even if welch did hire more front people partly of his ancestry than the other big media companies were doing, would anybody think twice at any other boss, media or otherwise, of say english or german ancestry, hiring a few more of his 'group' (as though americans of irish catholic ancestry ancestry are still a coherent group) than was the norm? certainly not somerby, who singles out only one group, americans who happen to be of irish-catholic heritage.
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    “The cultural values of that group played a blindingly obvious role in the chase against Clinton and Clinton and then against Candidate Gore.” 

    >>> next to americans of jewish heritage, americans of irish-catholic heritage were found to be the most liberal 'group' in the country.

     page 96 of annual review of sociology, volume 5, 1979 last paragraph: “Irish Catholics, incidentally, are the most politically liberal Gentile ethnic group in the country; they are the most pro-integration of any Gentile group.” 
    [can be obtained from libraries who carry the jstor database)
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    Somerby is an anti-american-with-irish-catholic-heritage bigot:

    site:http://dailyhowler.blogspot.com irish

    site:http://dailyhowler.blogspot.com irish-catholic

    site:http://dailyhowler.com/ irish

    site:http://dailyhowler.com/ irish catholic

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    1. Irish?

      Somerby, Leicestershire, UK

      Somerby, a village and a parish in Leicestershire, 3 miles E from John o' Gaunt station on the Melton and Market Harborough branch of the G.N. and L. & N.W. Joint railways, 5 W from Oakham, and 6 SSE from Melton Mowbray. There is a post, money order, and telegraph office under Oakham. Acreage, 1470; population of the civil parish, 488; of the ecclesiastical, 513. There is a parish council consisting of five members. The land is principally used for grazing. Bricks are made. The manor belongs to the Earl of Dysart. Somerby Hall is a chief residence. The living is a vicarage in the diocese of Peterborough; net value, £117 with residence. The church, an ancient edifice of stone in the Early English and Decorated styles, consists of chancel, nave, aisles, S porch, and an embattled central tower with spire. There are also Primitive Methodist and Wesleyan chapels, a working-men's institute, and an Oddfellows' hall

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  3. Matthews was a Jack Welch whore. There's no better way to put it. And the fact that some liberals have no problem with that is a good indication they lack core values and basic principles. They love being humbled.

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    1. I'm not sure what problem our various Somerby critics have with him because the things they state as criticisms don't seem to be what's really stuck in their craw. Is someone really bent on defending the honor of the Irish here? Do they really care whether he selectively cites data to support his arguments (albeit more honestly than those he discusses). I sense a different agenda but it isn't clear what is going on except an abiding hostility toward Somerby. Shouldn't they just come out and say what is bothering them directly? Are these Walsh, Dowd, Matthews & Maddow interns on assignment to get retribution for criticisms of their bosses? Are these conservatives without DinC's willingness to declare his politics? They are just annoying and confusing without making any point.

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  4. 5 comments so far. 4 of them were ad hominem attacks against Somerby, which shows how difficult it is to defend Walsh ans Matthews, who pretended to like the Clintons' "old" stuff.

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    1. Good point. What's wrong with the Clintons' new stuff. I don't see a big change in Hillary's positions on anything (except supporting Obama's administration). So this seems like a specious distinction invented to justify Matthews now saying something positive (when perhaps he isn't sure what position he should be taking on Hillary yet).

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  5. "This throwback Irishism would simply be annoying if it weren’t so clear that Irishism played a key role in the way the East Coast Irish Catholic crowd went crazy about Bill Clinton’s blow jobs, then turned against Candidate Gore as an extension of their cultural frenzy."

    I think that's true. Clinton was popular in Ohio (still is) and with the exact same people Matthews pretends to admire and understand, the "lunch bucket" people he's always rambling on about.

    But they aren't Irish and they aren't Catholic and I think the media obsession with the affair baffled them.

    I never put it in the tribal sense, although I knew Clinton was GENERALLY considered trashy by that whole group of media people.

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  6. If we didn't have a citizen historian like Bob who still frantically tries to keep the fire going none of us would know anything about Chris Matthews.

    He plays the obvious traditional liberal now but his instincts are just as mean, pinched, shabby and immature as any other ideologue in cable punditry.

    Reagan could talk to others in ways that lulled them into not thinking about what he said. Matthews talks to others who lull themselves into not thinking at all.

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