TEACH THE JOURNALISTS WELL: Easy listening!

WEDNESDAY, MARCH 26, 2014

Part 3—Cue the familiar old tripe: We were struck by a familiar pattern in Motoko Rich’s report.

Rich was reporting new data from the Department of Education’s Office of Civil Rights. Given the source, her headline was unsurprising:

“School Data Finds Pattern of Inequality Along Racial Lines”

Needless to say, there are many “patterns of inequality along racial lines” found in our public schools. In most cases, the difficulty begins when you try to explain them.

Early in her report, Rich presented her first three examples of inequality. Or at least, she attempted to do so:
RICH (3/23/14): In the first analysis in nearly 15 years of information from all of the country’s 97,000 public schools, the Education Department found a pattern of inequality on a number of fronts, with race as the dividing factor.

Black students are suspended and expelled at three times the rate of white students. A quarter of high schools with the highest percentage of black and Latino students do not offer any Algebra II courses, while a third of those schools do not have any chemistry classes. Black students are more than four times as likely as white students—and Latino students are twice as likely—to attend schools where one out of every five teachers does not meet all state teaching requirements.

“Here we are, 60 years after Brown v. Board of Education, and the data altogether still show a picture of gross inequity in educational opportunity,” said Daniel J. Losen, director of the Center for Civil Rights Remedies at the University of California at Los Angeles’s Civil Rights Project.
In a familiar journalistic pattern, Rich turned to the famous Brown decision, thereby framing her report as a study in classic discrimination.

In another familiar pattern, Rich was bungling her statistics right out of the box.

In the second paragraph we have posted, Rich presented her first three examples of the “pattern of inequality” found by the Department of Ed.

Her first example, concerning suspensions, did involve a striking difference in suspension rates, with black kids getting suspended and expelled much more often.

Her third example also seems striking, although we’re now in somewhat murky statistical and conceptual waters. But uh-oh!

In Rich’s second example, she doesn’t present a “pattern of inequality” at all! As we’ve often noted, the Times isn’t real good with statistics:

“A quarter of high schools with the highest percentage of black and Latino students do not offer any Algebra II courses, while a third of those schools do not have any chemistry classes.”

In that example, Rich’s basic statistic is extremely murky. (How many high schools are we talking about? How many kids attend them?)

More strikingly, no racial disparity is displayed in this, her second example. How many high schools with lots of white kids don’t offer Algebra II or chemistry classes? In paragraph 3 of her report, Rich (and her unnamed editor) failed to include this information. It’s startling to see how poorly the Times functions with basic stats.

Whatever! By now, Times readers were immersed in a very familiar type of story, a story built on a very familiar “discrimination” framework.

In effect, readers had already sunk into “easy listening” mode. We’ll guess that few readers noticed the problem with Rich’s second example, or noticed the conceptual problem which occurred later on, when she fleshed out that bungled statistic.

This was an easy listening piece. At the Times, readers know how to put it on cruise control, listening to familiar tales about racial discrimination, of which they of course disapprove.

Midway through her report, Rich devoted four paragraphs to suspensions rates in preschool. Familiar outrage was expressed by a person who acknowledged that she didn’t know what the heck she was talking about. (For our previous report, just click here.)

That outrage maintained the easy listenin’. After that manifest waste of time, Rich returned to the topic she’d bungled earlier.

How many kids attend high schools which don’t offer a full range of courses? This time, Rich managed to report the contrasts between different groups of kids:
RICH: In high school, the study found that while more than 70 percent of white students attend schools that offer a full range of math and science courses—including algebra, biology, calculus, chemistry, geometry and physics—just over half of all black students have access to those courses. Just over two-thirds of Latinos attend schools with the full range of math and science courses, and less than half of American Indian and Native Alaskan students are able to enroll in as many high-level math and science courses as their white peers.
Let’s use some actual numbers. According to Rich, (something like) 50 percent of black kids attend high schools “that offer a full range of math and science courses.” Meanwhile, (something like) 70 percent of white kids attend such schools.

To us, those numbers seem unfortunate, though perhaps not in the intended way.

Why do fewer black kids attend schools which offer those courses? We’ll assume there are several reasons.

Meanwhile, we note that thirty percent of white kids attend schools which lack the full range of courses. These were our reactions:

Given the framework of the report, we were plainly supposed to get angry at the difference between the 50 percent and the 70 percent. We weren’t invited to wonder why so many kids in all demographic groups attend high schools which don’t provide all those courses.

We also weren’t encouraged to ask an obvious question: Given the different achievement patterns which still obtain between white and black kids, is it really super-surprising to see those different rates?

According to our most reliable data, black kids are doing much better in school. We regard that as glorious, encouraging news—and the New York Times simply refuses to report it.

What will it take to make newspapers convey this very good news to the public? What will it take to make the fiery liberals on MSNBC stoop to the task of reporting such news?

News like that might get the public off the backs of public school teachers. It might encourage the public to see that our “government schools” seem to be making real progress.

How much do you have to hate black kids to keep this news a secret? Whatever the answer to that might be, it’s clear that mainstream newspapers and millionaire career liberals don’t care enough about black kids to share this very good news.

According to our most reliable data, black kids are doing much better in school. But alas! According to those same data, white kids are doing better too! Large “achievement gaps” remain, although the gaps are now smaller.

This brings us back to our reaction to the point Rich initially bungled. Let’s look at that point once again:

“In high school, the study found that while more than 70 percent of white students attend schools that offer a full range of math and science courses...just over half of all black students have access to those courses.”

Manifestly, we were supposed to get upset and think about Brown versus Board. For ourselves, we feel sorry for black kids when we encounter this tired old pattern.

Among other things, we were struck by the large number of white kids who don’t attend such schools. We didn’t think the difference in those rates was especially large, given what we know about the achievement gaps which still pervade our schools.

What if they offered Calculus III and nobody came? We’ll take an uneducated guess: Many schools may not offer those courses because few students would qualify or sign up to take them.

Is that why schools don’t offer those courses? We found ourselves asking that question as we read that part of Rich’s report.

We also found ourselves asking questions like these:

What happens in the earlier grades to create a world where 30 percent of white kids don’t have, and may not need, access to those types of courses?

What happens in the earlier grades to establish those different achievement rates between our black kids and our white kids? What happens before they even go to school? What happens in the first few years of life?

We didn’t think much of Rich’s report, which followed a lazy, familiar pattern. We didn’t think much of the manifest crap she shoveled about pre-K suspensions.

We didn’t think much of the reaction from that NAACP official, who ran directly to tired old script in reaction to a topic she didn’t understand. We didn’t think much of the way the New York Times bungled the second statistic it tried to present

We’re tired of tired old slackers like Rich churning easy listening pieces designed to tickle the fancy of New York Times readers. We’re tired of the tired old crap in which we’re instantly herded into a familiar, feel-good Brown v. Board framework.

We want to hear about black kids’ improving NAEP scores—the story the New York Times won’t report. With that encouraging song in our ears, we want to hear about why so many kids, in all major groups, may not be ready for those advanced courses in high school.

Can we talk? On its face, there’s nothing shocking about the pattern described below. There is no blatantly obvious way in which this pattern says “discrimination:”

“In high school, the study found that while more than 70 percent of white students attend schools that offer a full range of math and science courses...just over half of all black students have access to those courses.”

Can we talk? Based on current achievement patterns, that difference may be pretty much what you’d expect in our schools. Rather than explore such facts, Rich burned a hole in our brains as a clueless but scripted person sounded off about the treatment being dished to an unknown number of our “babies” in pre-K.

Rich told a very familiar story. We feel sorry for black kids when we see journalists pushing these patterns.

Rich’s story is sixty years old. In many ways, its sell-by date is gone. When will the New York Times get off its self-satisfied, know-nothing keister and talk about the actual problems shaping today’s world?

Rich came out of Yale summa cum laude. Assuming she had the best courses in high school, what pattern explains her work?

Tomorrow: Completely and utterly clueless

Your Daily Howler keeps getting results: Rich makes a rare trip to the real world today. We’ll praise her more fully for this piece before the week is done.

50 comments:

  1. OMB

    "Familiar outrage was expressed by a person who acknowledged that she didn’t know what the heck she was talking about."

    Why does he do it?: BOB moves to LiarLand.*

    For the third straight post on the topic of Matoko Rich's recent article, BOBaddow has chosen to flame someone for the single sole reason that she was interviewed by Rich and was quoted as saying something in answer to a question readers have never seen.

    In each post, BOB's characterization of that answer has verged further and further from the truth to the point he is now outright lying. He has become RachelBOB Somerdow.

    Let's stroll quickly through the facts.

    In Post 1, BOB stated repeatedly he did not know why any children were suspended from pre-school, much less black childfren. Here are the key quotes:

    "How do you get suspended from preschool? We don’t know the answer to that.....It may be that almost no one is getting suspended from preschool....We’ll be honest—we didn’t know that kids get suspended from preschool at all."

    BOB went on to repeatedly imply Leticia Smith-Evans of the NAACP, who is quoted by Rich in the article should be able to answer the question he admitted three times he could not. BOB never said Evans-Smith doesn't know. He presented no evidence she doesn't. Just that she "seems" not to. Based on one quote she displays "what looks to us like a possible bit of cluelessness."

    We noted major shortcomings in BOB's comment box.

    In Post 2 BOB was undeterred. He doubled and tripled down, inflating his claim about Smith-Evans who "seemed" to be ignorant and clueless about what she should know in Part 1.

    "In fairness, Smith-Evans may be the finest person on earth. We only meet her through a couple of quoted statements about a matter she seems to say she doesn’t know diddly about."

    "But for ourselves, as we read that report, that combination constituted the problem. In our view, the problem was Smith-Evans’ reflexive turn to script concerning a matter she doesn’t seem to know jack squat about."

    From seeming to be possibly "clueless" to seeming to "know diddly and jack squat."

    BOBaddow kept covering his weasel flanks with his favorite weasel word, "seems." We again offered our critique. Even Friendso'BOB, always ready with a charge of "troll," kept their silence.

    In Part 3 BOB offers the quote with which we began this comment. Evans-Smith no longer seems ignorant, she has fessed up to not knowing what BOB suggested she should know but seemed not to. She is now "a clueless but scripted person" who "sounded off."

    Go back and compare the complaints BOB raised about the treatment of comments by Susan Rice. Go back and check how BOB objects to Rachel Maddow characterizing players in Bridgegate or modifying statements using weasel words.

    BOB wrote these words yesterday. The may well apply to Rachel Maddow whose name and gender we removed below. We don't know. We do know that in this matter, they very well do apply to him:

    (BOB) "was trying to get in your head! By now, we’d say that (he) has become the person (he) bravely opposes."

    Except we would leave out the brave part.

    KZ

    * LiarLand is an unincorporated village near Liberalworld.

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    1. I hope they're paying you enough for typing this stuff. Someone or someone(s) must be mighty worried about Somerby to be spending so much time here.

      I'll tell you what I've noticed. I had doubts before about Maddow, and reading Somerby lately has convinced me that she's kind of a hack. That kind of thinking could get contagious.

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    2. Well, since our point here is simply that each criticism BOB makes of Maddow is based on practices he exhibits himself, we certainly hope you are convinced the hackery is something they have in common. Otherwise somebody is paying for their own gullibility.

      KZ

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  2. "According to our most reliable data"
    Which data? Please be specific.

    "Why do fewer black kids attend schools which offer those courses? We’ll assume there are several reasons."
    Which reasons? Please elaborate.

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    1. It is a shame many Americans did not attend the kind of school which did not foster sufficient critical thinking skills which enable them to freely develop assumptions on their own.

      Children who attended public schools during the pre-Vietnam era enjoyed a physical education curriculum which enabled many to be able to leap to conclusions.

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    2. Here's one problem. Some middle schools are 3 years while others are 2 years (grade levels). Algebra II occurs in the 9th grade in many schools. If the middle school is 7th & 8th grade, it will not offer Algebra II. That will be offered in the first year of a 4-year high school in that district. If the middle school includes 7-9th grades, then Algebra II will be included. So, you would expect a large number of the those 2-year middle schools not to offer Algebra II. Were the statistics adjusted to take this into account? You cannot assume they were because that kind of mistake happens a lot.

      In CA, students could take physics or chemistry in high school but need not take both. Taking two years of physical science was optional. If a district cannot find a qualified teacher for both, they might offer just one, or perhaps many students would not take the second year, so it would be unable to justify hiring a teacher for it. These kinds of realities affect offerings at various schools. If there are more students planning to apply to competitive colleges, there will be more taking the optional science classes.

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  3. How much do you have to hate black kids to keep this news a secret?

    That's not fair. They don't necessarily hate black kids. They just don't care. Black kids don't figure in to the decision to engage in this behavior. Only boosting one's identity and self-esteem as a "good" white person, as a "fiery liberal" does. Those psychological rewards are what motivate this tribe of maladjusted narcissists.

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    1. For a more balanced view, from well adjusted realists, we offer this link supplied recently by a TDH regular in repsonse to one of Bob's excellent pieces on the left's lack of concern for black children.

      http://www.wnd.com/2014/03/roving-black-mobs-too-many-to-ignore/

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    2. Even if there are too many, it should be ignored.

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  4. Part 3--Cue the Familiar old Gripe:

    About one-third of Americans between the ages of 65 and 74 have hearing problems.

    Among men over 65 almost half report hearing problems, slightly less than half the number who report they have no natural teeth.

    Americans over 65 are more than twice as likely to report problems learning, remembering, and concentrating as those who are younger.

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  5. How Much Does BOB Have to Hate Teachers to Keep this Secret?

    BOB: "News like that might get the public off the backs of public school teachers."

    KZ: According to reliable data, school teachers are quite highly esteemed by the public.

    "On balance, public perceptions of the military and teachers are overwhelmingly positive. Fully 78% of adults believe that members of the military contribute a lot to the well-being of society, and 72% say the same about teachers, while about one-in-ten or fewer say those occupations contribute not very much or nothing at all to society."

    http://www.pewforum.org/2013/07/11/public-esteem-for-military-still-high/

    Gallup has asked Americans to rate the honesty and ethical standards of members of various professions periodically since 1976, and annually since 1990. This year's poll was conducted Dec. 5-8, and finds Americans viewing nurses, pharmacists, and grade school teachers as having the highest ethical standards.

    http://www.gallup.com/poll/166298/honesty-ethics-rating-clergy-slides-new-low.aspx

    BOB told a very familiar story. We feel sorry for teachers when we see journalists pushing these patterns.

    BOB is over sixty years old. In many ways, his sell-by date is gone. When will TDH get off its self-satisfied, know-nothing keister?

    BOB graduated from Harvard. Assuming he had the best courses in high school, what pattern explains his work?


    KZ

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    1. Your logic is lacking. The poll respondents likely envisioned "good" teachers, but you provide no evidence that the public views a high proportion of teachers as "good." And on the second question regarding honesty and ethics, grade school teachers were singled out.

      Your comment is useless, not even including your age-ist idiocy.

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    2. Right, and when they rated military highly, they were likely, probably, coulda shoulda woulda been thinking only of "good soldiers."

      Seems Bob's friends are following him down the deep abyss of weak and lame.-

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    3. They were not offering views on military policy or leadership or competence. The question is extremely generalized so is not adequate proof that the public is not "on the backs" of teachers. There might be other data out there proving your point, but you haven't presented it.

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    4. And Bob has?

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    5. 4:02 "Seems Bob's friends are following him down the deep abyss of weak and lame."

      At least one of Bob's friends showed up. Hasn't been much of that lately. Cecelia Mc made a dozens dashes around the belly dancing post, but other than that the Troll Patrol seems to have gone into hiding.

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    6. Anonymous 3:45 read a bit more closely. I think the part of the comment you found ageist was in fact a parody of Somerby using his own words from this post.

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    7. He was talking about the age of world view, not a person.

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    8. And Bob has? I suspect you know that to some extent and by some definitions the public is on the backs of teachers. You could also to some extent and by some definitions teachers are held in high esteem by the public.

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    9. You suspect I know? KZ shows data from polls that date back over decades showing techers out rank almost every profession in terms of public respect for the contribution they make and their integrity and you say that is not proof
      they are held in high esteem. Yet Somerby throws out a blanket statement with no evidence whatsoever and you come back with "to some extent and by some definitions.

      Do yourself a little tribal dance. I hope it is not in a classroom where you get paid to teach.

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    10. Anon @ 3:45 & 9:16 (Are you one and the same?)

      We might ask you to pardon us for offending you with a reference to BOB's age. We will do so under one condition.

      We often make comment about BOB's age because BOB is fond of pointing out the age of anyone he belittles when they happen to be young. So if you would be so kind as to direct us to when you have called BOB ageist when he makes such remarks, we will note that we have offended someone who dislikes snarky references to age regardless of the person who was on the receiving end of the remark.

      We do note 9:16 is correct in pointing out our play on BOB's words referenced him individually whereas he was talking about the age of a court decision. We appreciate your bringing that up.

      You see, one of the major beefs BOB brings up in this lie riddled post is Matoko Rich's use of the Brown decision.
      The first time he references it you might assume he made a simple error.

      "In a familiar journalistic pattern, Rich turned to the famous Brown decision, thereby framing her report as a study in classic discrimination," wrote BOB, ignoring that Rich did not turn to it, the person she quoted did. But BOB brought up Brown two more times in an effort to discredit Rich. He did the same when he lied about Leticia Smith-Evans.

      He is every bit the lazy and dishonest person he charges others with being. And it is clear at his age, given his dubious record, he is every bit the hack he often accuses others of being. Just not very successful at it.

      KZ

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    11. The schools are failing because big government doesn't work. Add unions into the mix and teachers who don't give a damn and it's no wonder test scores are falling. Liberals in the media don't want to "go there" for good reason. What's going in the public schools is indicative of the failure of the liberal agenda.

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  7. Illinois requires 3 years of math in high school in order to graduate. The typical sequence in Illinois is Algebra 1; Geometry; Algebra 2 Trig; PreCalc; and sometimes AP AP Calc &/or Statistics is also offered. Not sure if this varies much across the country.

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  8. The biggest problem with Part 3 in this series is it is written by someone who touts himself as someone who is superior to the New York Times when it comes to educational statistics.

    Yet in Part 2 of the series, this self styled expert seems not to know how to access the data used by Motoko Rich for her article.

    "None of the choices includes a study or a report. The searcher is simply directed to various boatloads of data.

    We can’t find the particular data to which Rich devoted the most attention in her report"

    Shouldn't the blogger know how to find this data better than you, the reader can? Shouldn't the blogger be able to refute this data presented by the tripe tossing Times instead of resorting to cliches? Why should someone who seems clueless be worth reading much less trusting on this important topic?

    When someone like Bob Somerby seems to resort to rhetoric rather than facts when it seems like they don't know diddly, is it really super-surprising when he is scoffed at?

    After TDH acknowledged that he doesn't know what the heck he is talking about, why is he sounding off with the tired old complaint about poor coverage of test scores?
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    My Name is Vicky Lorimer, I am From United Kingdom.i am hear to give testimony of how i got back my husband, we got married for more than 9 years and have gotten two kids. thing were going well with us and we are always happy. until one day my husband started to behave in a way i could not understand, i was very confused by the way he treat me and the kids. later that month he did not come home again and he called me that he want a divorce, i asked him what have i done wrong to deserve this from him, all he was saying is that he want a divorce that he hate me and do not want to see me again in his life, i was mad and also frustrated do not know what to do,i was sick for more than 2 weeks because of the divorce. i love him so much he was everything to me without him my life is incomplete. i told my sister and she told me to contact a spell caster, i never believe in all this spell casting of a thing. i just want to try if something will come out of it. i contacted Dr Brave for the return of my husband to me, they told me that my husband have been taken by another woman, that she cast a spell on him that is why he hate me and also want us to divorce. then they told me that they have to cast a spell on him that will make him return to me and the kids, they casted the spell and after a week my husband called me and he told me that i should forgive him, he started to apologize on phone and said that he still love me that he did not know what happen to him that he left me. it was the spell that Dr Brave casted on him that make him to come back to me today,me and my family are now happy again today. thank you Dr Brave for what you have done for me i would have been nothing today if not for your great spell. i want you my friends who are passing through all this kind of love problem of getting back their husband, wife , or ex boyfriend and girlfriend to contact bravespellcaster@gmail.com. and you will see that your problem will be solved without any delay.

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  11. My name is Jennifer and i want to testify of the good work done by a faithful DR PALOMA, a spell caster. in my life i never thought there is such thing as spiritual intercession. my problem started 5 months back when the father of my kids started putting up some strange behavior, i never knew he was having an affair outside our matrimonial home. it dawn on me on that faithful day 4th of April 21st 4:23pm when he came to the house to pick his things that was when i knew that situation has gotten out of hand and he then told me he was quitting the marriage which i have built for over 6 years, i was confused and dumbfounded i called on family and friends but to no avail. two months after i started having problem with my kids welfare rent-age and all of it, i really went through ***. until a day i was browsing on the internet and i happen to meet DR PALOMA Email palomaspelltemple@yahoo.com i never believed on this but i needed my man back so i gave the spell caster my problem at first i never trusted him so i was just doing it but you know a problem shared is half solved after a 2das my husband called me telling me that he his coming back home and that was all. now we are living happily and i still do contact him on this email: palomaspelltemple@yahoo.com

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  12. I want to testify about how DR ABU FATIMA bring back my husband who left home for two years to south Africa for a tourist, where he meet another woman and he was bewitch by the lady,my husband refuse to come back home again,i cry day and night looking for who to help me,i read a news paper about a powerful spell caster called DR ABU FATIMA and i contacted the spell caster to help me get my lover back to me and he ask me not to worry about it that the gods well fight for me.. he told me by mid-night when all the spirit is at rest he will cast a spell to reunite my lover back to me. and he did has he said 3 days after my husband com home and he was crying beging me am sorry. am so happy me and my are back for good. Thanks be to dr ABU FATIMA. In case u nead a good spellcaster u can contact him on this email address abufatima77powerspellcaster@gmail.com

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  13. I want to use this opportunity to thank my great doctor who really made my life a pleasurable one today. This great man DR.Abu Fatima brought my husband back to me, i had three lovely kids for my husband, about four years ago i and my husband has been into one quarrel or the other until he finally left me for one lady. i felt my life was over and my kids thought they would never see their father again. i tried to be strong just for the kids but i could not control the pains that torments my heart, my heart was filled with sorrows and pains because i was really in love with my husband. Every day and night i think of him and always wish he would come back to me, until one day i met a good friend of mine that was also in a situation like me but her problem was her ex-boyfriend who she had an unwanted pregnancy for and he refused to take responsibility and dumped her. she told me that mine was a small case and that i should not worry about it at all, so i asked her what was the solution to my problems and she gave me this great man email address. i was doubting if this man was the solution, so i contacted this great man and he told me what to do and i did them all, he told me to wait for just two day and that my husband will come crawling on his kneels just for forgiveness so i faithfully deed what this great man asked me to do and for sure after two days i heard a knock on the door, in a great surprise i saw him on his kneels and i was speechless, when he saw me, all he did was crying im very happy to thanks to the great Dr Abu Fatima cont him via abufatima77powerspellcaster@gmail.com

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  14. I have a testimony to share with you only if you are willing to listen to me, My name is WILLIAM HARRY from UNITED STATE. i have been having problems in some aspect of my life which almost led me to commit suicide, several time i applied for jobs and each time i was turn down, it came to a point that my girl friend left me for another guy and this made me to have high blood pressure . One day as i was looking for job online in the internet i came across a testimony of a woman how a great spell caster called Doctor OKAYA help her with his spell to solve her problems so i decided to contact the Spell caster (Doctor OKAYA) by mail. i narrated all my story to him and the only thing he told me was don't worry because your problems are solve already for you have made the right choice of contacting me. i filled his form and provide the items he requested from me for the preparation of the spell to get me a good job,bring my ex back and also to heal my high blood pressure and today my brothers and sisters that are reading this i am very glad to say that Doctor OKAYA is a God on earth sent by God to solve problems. I have a good Job now, My ex is back and i am healed of my High Blood Pressure . Do you have problems and you think all hope is gone, i advise you to contact Doctor OKAYA today and you problem will be solve just as he solve mine ok. Doctor OKAYA email is: OKAYASPELLHELP@GMAIL.COM OR
    CALL HIS HOTLINE +2348078291904

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  15. I have a testimony to share with you only if you are willing to listen to me, My name is WILLIAM HARRY from UNITED STATE. i have been having problems in some aspect of my life which almost led me to commit suicide, several time i applied for jobs and each time i was turn down, it came to a point that my girl friend left me for another guy and this made me to have high blood pressure . One day as i was looking for job online in the internet i came across a testimony of a woman how a great spell caster called Doctor OKAYA help her with his spell to solve her problems so i decided to contact the Spell caster (Doctor OKAYA) by mail. i narrated all my story to him and the only thing he told me was don't worry because your problems are solve already for you have made the right choice of contacting me. i filled his form and provide the items he requested from me for the preparation of the spell to get me a good job,bring my ex back and also to heal my high blood pressure and today my brothers and sisters that are reading this i am very glad to say that Doctor OKAYA is a God on earth sent by God to solve problems. I have a good Job now, My ex is back and i am healed of my High Blood Pressure . Do you have problems and you think all hope is gone, i advise you to contact Doctor OKAYA today and you problem will be solve just as he solve mine ok. Doctor OKAYA email is: OKAYASPELLHELP@GMAIL.COM OR
    CALL HIS HOTLINE +2348078291904

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  16. I have a testimony to share with you only if you are willing to listen to me, My name is WILLIAM HARRY from UNITED STATE. i have been having problems in some aspect of my life which almost led me to commit suicide, several time i applied for jobs and each time i was turn down, it came to a point that my girl friend left me for another guy and this made me to have high blood pressure . One day as i was looking for job online in the internet i came across a testimony of a woman how a great spell caster called Doctor OKAYA help her with his spell to solve her problems so i decided to contact the Spell caster (Doctor OKAYA) by mail. i narrated all my story to him and the only thing he told me was don't worry because your problems are solve already for you have made the right choice of contacting me. i filled his form and provide the items he requested from me for the preparation of the spell to get me a good job,bring my ex back and also to heal my high blood pressure and today my brothers and sisters that are reading this i am very glad to say that Doctor OKAYA is a God on earth sent by God to solve problems. I have a good Job now, My ex is back and i am healed of my High Blood Pressure . Do you have problems and you think all hope is gone, i advise you to contact Doctor OKAYA today and you problem will be solve just as he solve mine okay. Doctor OKAYA email is: OKAYASPELLHELP@GMAIL.COM OR
    CALL HIS HOTLINE +2348078291904

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  17. I have a testimony to share with you only if you are willing to listen to me, My name is WILLIAM HARRY from UNITED STATE. i have been having problems in some aspect of my life which almost led me to commit suicide, several time i applied for jobs and each time i was turn down, it came to a point that my girl friend left me for another guy and this made me to have high blood pressure . One day as i was looking for job online in the internet i came across a testimony of a woman how a great spell caster called Doctor OKAYA help her with his spell to solve her problems so i decided to contact the Spell caster (Doctor OKAYA) by mail. i narrated all my story to him and the only thing he told me was don't worry because your problems are solve already for you have made the right choice of contacting me. i filled his form and provide the items he requested from me for the preparation of the spell to get me a good job,bring my ex back and also to heal my high blood pressure and today my brothers and sisters that are reading this i am very glad to say that Doctor OKAYA is a God on earth sent by God to solve problems. I have a good Job now, My ex is back and i am healed of my High Blood Pressure . Do you have problems and you think all hope is gone, i advise you to contact Doctor OKAYA today and you problem will be solve just as he solve mine ok. Doctor OKAYA email is: OKAYASPELLHELP@GMAIL.COM OR
    CALL HIS HOTLINE +2348078291904

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  18. I have a testimony to share with you only if you are willing to listen to me, My name is WILLIAM HARRY from UNITED STATE. i have been having problems in some aspect of my life which almost led me to commit suicide, several time i applied for jobs and each time i was turn down, it came to a point that my girl friend left me for another guy and this made me to have high blood pressure . One day as i was looking for job online in the internet i came across a testimony of a woman how a great spell caster called Doctor OKAYA help her with his spell to solve her problems so i decided to contact the Spell caster (Doctor OKAYA) by mail. i narrated all my story to him and the only thing he told me was don't worry because your problems are solve already for you have made the right choice of contacting me. i filled his form and provide the items he requested from me for the preparation of the spell to get me a good job,bring my ex back and also to heal my high blood pressure and today my brothers and sisters that are reading this i am very glad to say that Doctor OKAYA is a God on earth sent by God to solve problems. I have a good Job now, My ex is back and i am healed of my High Blood Pressure . Do you have problems and you think all hope is gone, i advise you to contact Doctor OKAYA today and you problem will be solve just as he solve mine ok. Doctor OKAYA email is: OKAYASPELLHELP@GMAIL.COM OR
    CALL HIS HOTLINE +2348078291904

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  19. I want to use this medium to tell the world about Doctor OKAYA who helped me in getting my lover back with his powerful spell, my ex and i where having misunderstanding which led to our breakup though i went to beg her several times to please forgive and accept me back because i know i offended her but each time i went i always feel more deeply in pain and agony because she always walk out on me and would not want to listen to what i have to tell but on i faithful day as i was browsing i came arose a testimony of a woman whose problem was more than mine and yet Doctor OKAYA helped her with his spell so i was happy and also contacted Doctor OKAYA for help via email and then told him my story but the only thing he said was that i will wipe you tear with my spell so lucky for me everything want well just as he promised and right now i have got my fiance back and we are both living happily. there is nothing Doctor OKAYA can not do with is spell and just as promise my self i will keep testifying on the internet of how Doctor OKAYA helped me.Are your problem greater that mine or less i give you 100% guarantee that Doctor OKAYA will put an end to it with his powerful spell, contact Doctor OKAYA for help Via email OKAYASPELLHELP@GMAIL.COM

    1. GETTING YOUR EX LOVER BACK.
    2. WINNING LOTTERIES.
    3. CHILD BEARING.
    4. BREAKING OF GENERATION COURSE.
    5. GETTING OF JOB.
    6. JOB PROMOTION.
    7. MONEY SPELL.
    8. SPIRITUAL PROTECTION.
    9. HERBAL CARE.
    10. BEAUTY SPELL.

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  20. I want to use this medium to tell the world about Doctor OKAYA who helped me in getting my lover back with his powerful spell, my ex and i where having misunderstanding which led to our breakup though i went to beg her several times to please forgive and accept me back because i know i offended her but each time i went i always feel more deeply in pain and agony because she always walk out on me and would not want to listen to what i have to tell but on i faithful day as i was browsing i came arose a testimony of a woman whose problem was more than mine and yet Doctor OKAYA helped her with his spell so i was happy and also contacted Doctor OKAYA for help via email and then told him my story but the only thing he said was that i will wipe you tear with my spell so lucky for me everything want well just as he promised and right now i have got my fiance back and we are both living happily. there is nothing Doctor OKAYA can not do with is spell and just as promise my self i will keep testifying on the internet of how Doctor OKAYA helped me.Are your problem greater that mine or less i give you 100% guarantee that Doctor OKAYA will put an end to it with his powerful spell, contact Doctor OKAYA for help Via email OKAYASPELLHELP@GMAIL.COM

    1. GETTING YOUR EX LOVER BACK.
    2. WINNING LOTTERIES.
    3. CHILD BEARING.
    4. BREAKING OF GENERATION COURSE.
    5. GETTING OF JOB.
    6. JOB PROMOTION.
    7. MONEY SPELL.
    8. SPIRITUAL PROTECTION.
    9. HERBAL CARE.
    10. BEAUTY SPELL.

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  21. I want to use this medium to tell the world about Doctor OKAYA who helped me in getting my lover back with his powerful spell, my ex and i where having misunderstanding which led to our breakup though i went to beg her several times to please forgive and accept me back because i know i offended her but each time i went i always feel more deeply in pain and agony because she always walk out on me and would not want to listen to what i have to tell but on i faithful day as i was browsing i came arose a testimony of a woman whose problem was more than mine and yet Doctor OKAYA helped her with his spell so i was happy and also contacted Doctor OKAYA for help via email and then told him my story but the only thing he said was that i will wipe you tear with my spell so lucky for me everything want well just as he promised and right now i have got my fiance back and we are both living happily. there is nothing Doctor OKAYA can not do with is spell and just as promise my self i will keep testifying on the internet of how Doctor OKAYA helped me.Are your problem greater that mine or less i give you 100% guarantee that Doctor OKAYA will put an end to it with his powerful spell, contact Doctor OKAYA for help Via email OKAYASPELLHELP@GMAIL.COM

    1. GETTING YOUR EX LOVER BACK.
    2. WINNING LOTTERIES.
    3. CHILD BEARING.
    4. BREAKING OF GENERATION COURSE.
    5. GETTING OF JOB.
    6. JOB PROMOTION.
    7. MONEY SPELL.
    8. SPIRITUAL PROTECTION.
    9. HERBAL CARE.
    10. BEAUTY SPELL.

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  22. I have always wanted to be able to not live paycheck to paycheck or have any debt. I worked in accounting for about 10 years and was barely able to make ends meet. It seemed like any time I moved up in the company and received a raise, my living expenses would go up significantly and I was never able to get ahead. lottery spells. Then one day my best friend told me the truth about what he did when his wife left him. He had a love spell cast and she stopped the divorce proceedings and they got back together. When he told me this I asked who he used and he gave me their email address which is:OKAYASPELLHELP@GMAIL.COM OR OKAYASPELLHELP@YAHOO.COM and I immediately contacted them for help. I saw that they offered different kinds of money spells to help win the lottery. I was immediately intrigued. I have always felt like I was going to win the lottery someday. I had the jackpot lottery spell cast and awaited my win. I was told to play the lottery each week and I did what I was told. I played the lottery each week anyways, so it did not change anything. Within about two weeks it happened. I won $100,000!! I could not believe it! It was not enough money to retire right away, but I invested it well and it has allowed me to go down to part time work and will help me retire much earlier. I am eternally grateful for finding their email address:OKAYASPELLHELP@YAHOO.COM OR OKAYASPELLHELP@GMAIL.COM

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  23. I have always wanted to be able to not live paycheck to paycheck or have any debt. I worked in accounting for about 10 years and was barely able to make ends meet. It seemed like any time I moved up in the company and received a raise, my living expenses would go up significantly and I was never able to get ahead. lottery spells. Then one day my best friend told me the truth about what he did when his wife left him. He had a love spell cast and she stopped the divorce proceedings and they got back together. When he told me this I asked who he used and he gave me their email address which is:OKAYASPELLHELP@GMAIL.COM OR OKAYASPELLHELP@YAHOO.COM and I immediately contacted them for help. I saw that they offered different kinds of money spells to help win the lottery. I was immediately intrigued. I have always felt like I was going to win the lottery someday. I had the jackpot lottery spell cast and awaited my win. I was told to play the lottery each week and I did what I was told. I played the lottery each week anyways, so it did not change anything. Within about two weeks it happened. I won $100,000!! I could not believe it! It was not enough money to retire right away, but I invested it well and it has allowed me to go down to part time work and will help me retire much earlier. I am eternally grateful for finding their email address:OKAYASPELLHELP@YAHOO.COM OR OKAYASPELLHELP@GMAIL.COM

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  24. i am giving this testimony cos l am happy My name is mrs. Dona Smith from Houston,taxes.i never believed in love spells or magic until i met this spell caster once. when i went to Africa in December this year on a business summit. i meant a man called Dr. ADAGBA.He is powerful he could help you cast a spells to bring back my love’s gone,misbehaving lover looking for some one to love you, bring back lost money and magic money spell or spell for a good job.i’m now happy & a living testimony cos the man i had wanted to marry left me 3 weeks before our wedding and my life was upside down cos our relationship has been on for 2 years… i really loved him, but his mother was against me and he had no good paying job. so when i met this spell caster, i told him what happened and explained the situation of things to him..at first i was undecided,skeptical and doubtful, but i just gave it a try. and in 6 days when i returned to taxes, my boyfriend (is now my husband ) he called me by himself and came to me apologizing that everything had been settled with his mom and family and he got a new job interview so we should get married..i didn’t believe it cos the spell caster only asked for my name and my boyfriends name and all i wanted him to do… well we are happily married now and we are expecting our little kid,and my husband also got a new job and our lives became much better. in case anyone needs the spell caster for some help, email address adagbaspiritualtemple@yahoo.com Great ADAGBAi thank you very much thank you in 1000000 times.. if not you i would have been losted and wasted thank you. please make sure you contact him for any financial difficulties okay.. What a powerful man such as Dr ADAGBA.. he is so much powerful..\\ email him for any difficulties.. adagbaspiritualtemple@yahoo.com

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  25. Am Allison Natasha from the USA. Am here to appreciate a man who has brought back the most precious thing back into my life .After Allison left me for good 3years i was in deep pain and so confused because i truly loved him so much because he meant a lot in my life,So i was at a shop one day buying somethings when i was listening to the radio hearing a lady talking about Dr OSE on how he has helped her in bringing back her husband i was like truly this Dr OSE has really been the talk of USA ,Then i decided to contact him and i explained all my problem to Dr OSE how my Husband left me for good 3 years,He told me not to worry that he would surly bring back Allison into my life within 48hours i was so happy when i had that i was thinking if truly what Dr OSE is saying is true So then i give a try to my greatest supersize,What baffled me the most was that before the 48hours completed i already got an email from Allison begging me to forgive him for all he has put me that he want to come back home for any one that may need the help of this great powerful me contact him on Osespellcast@gmail.com or you can call him on +2348056391583

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  26. BE CAREFUL HERE NOBODY CAN HELP YOU HERE OR EVEN SUGGEST HOW YOU CAN GET YOUR EX OR LOVE BACK,ANY TESTIMONIES OF MOST SPELL CASTER HERE MUST BE IGNORE.BECAUSE MOST OF THEM ARE SCAM I MEAN REAL SCAM WHICH I WAS A VICTIM AND I GOT RIPPED OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS BECAUSE I WAS SO ANXIOUS TO GET MY WIFE BACK AFTER SHE LEFT ME FOR OVER 2 YEARS WITH MY 7 YEARS OLD SON JERRY,I HAVE APPLIED TO 7 DIFFERENT SPELL CASTER HERE AND ALL TO NO AVAIL THEY ALL ASK FOR SAME THING SEND YOUR NAME YOUR EX NAME ADDRESS AND PICTURE PHONE NUMBER ETC WHICH I DID OVER AND OVER AGAIN AND MOST OF THEM WERE FROM WEST AFRICA UNTIL I SAW A POST ABOUT MAMA ANITA SPELL AND I DECIDED TO GAVE HER MY LAST TRAIL.SHE ASK ME FOUR THINGS MY REAL NAME,MY EX AND MY EX MOTHER NAME AND $380 AND SAID MY EX WILL COME BACK IN 24HOURS, I HAVE PAID OVER $3000 ON SPELL CASTING AND COURIER AND NOTHING HAVE WORK FOR ME AFTER 3 DAYS I WAS THINKING ABOUT HOW MUCH I HAVE LOST SO FAR SO I SAID LET ME GIVE HER A TRY SO I CALLED HER AGAIN AND SEND MY REAL NAME,MY EX AND MY EX MOTHER NAME AND THE $380 BECAUSE I SWEAR IT WAS MY LAST TRY SO I WAS WAITING AS SHE TOLD ME TO WAIT TILL NEXT DAY AND I COULD NOT SLEEP THAT NIGHT BECAUSE I REALLY LOVE MY WIFE AND WANT HER BACK AT 9PMTHAT DAY I SAW MY WIFE ON LINE ON FACE BOOK AND SHE SAID HI AT FIRST I WAS SHOCK BECAUSE SHE NEVER TALK WITH ME FOR THE PAST A YEAR AND 9 MONTH NOW I DID NOT REPLY AGAIN SHE SAID ARE YOU THERE? I QUICKLY REPLY YES AND SHE SAID CAN WE SEE TOMORROW I SAID YES AND SHE WENT OFF-LINE I WAS CONFUSED I TRY TO CHAT HER AGAIN BUT SHE WAS NO MORE ON LINE I COULD NOT SLEEP THAT NIGHT AS I WAS WONDERING WHAT SHE IS GOING TO SAY, BY 7.AM THE NEXT MORNING SHE GAVE ME A MISS CALL I DECIDED NOT TO CALL BACK AS I WAS STILL ON SHOCK AGAIN SHE CALL AND I PICK SHE SAID CAN WE SEE AFTER WORK TODAY I SAID YES SO SHE END THE CALL IMMEDIATELY I GOT OFF WORK SHE CALL ME AND WE MEET AND NOW WE ARE BACK AGAIN I CALL MAMA ANITA THE NEXT DAY THANKING HER FOR WHAT SHE HAS DONE IN FACT I STILL CALL HER AND THANK HER AS MY LIFE WAS NOT COMPLETE WITHOUT MY WIFE PLEASE BE CAREFUL HERE I HAVE BEEN SCAM THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS IF YOU WANT A TRUE LOVE SPELL THEN CONTACT MAMA ANITA (mama.anitaspellcraft@hotmail.com) website http://kelvinlargemyself.wix.com/anita

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  27. Hello to the people of this forum< Am chizzy from Texas and i can say that am the happiest person on earth since last week with what DR UKO has done for me , it all started last year October when my fiance left me in Texas and travel to see his parents in Ohio at first him was still calling me and show love even when him was away , but it gets to a point when he no longer gives a shit about me , and i noticed it so when i tried to confront him , he told me that he dose not love me again that he feel like being alone i was shocked and heartbroken when i tried talking he will hang the phone on me i was so heart broken and i was frustrated about this , but on a second thought i was not convince that he was on his right senses so i discuss this with my elder sister who lives in California and she directed me to DR UKO of ukospelltemple@yahoo.com saying that the man has helped her friend in such case before so i said to my self let me tried i contacted this man and explain everything to him and behold dr uko said to me what am to do and i did exactly what he and he said after three days my fiance will call me and once he calls me i should pick the calls and he gave some other instructions . so i said okay , but to my best surprise on the 7th of November my fiancee called me and started saying on the phone am sorry it was like a dream to me , with this i said i will tell the world of his dr UKO goodness in my life , so if any one is out there and needs help in his or her relationship can also contact him today via

    email ukospelltemple@yahoo.com or whatsapp him on +2347064650019

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  28. OMG!! This is certainly a shocking and a genuine Testimony..I visited a forum here on the internet on the 20TH OF July 2016, And I saw a marvelous testimony of this powerful and great spell caster called DR Papa on the forum..I never believed it, because I never heard nor learnt anything about magic before.. Not a soul would have been able to influence me about magical spells, not until DR Papa did it for me and restored my marriage of 8 years back to me and brought my spouse back to me in the same 48hours just as I have read on the internet..I was truly astonished and shocked when my husband knelt down begging for forgiveness and for me to accept him back.. I am really short of expressions, and I don't know how much to convey my appreciation to you DR Papa, you are a God sent to me and my entire family.. Here is his website: www.supremetemple.com. His Email: supremetemple@hotmail.com

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  29. i am giving this testimony cos l am happy My name is mrs. Lara Mark from Houston,taxes.i never believed in love spells or magic until i met this spell caster once. when i went to Africa in July this year on a business summit. i ment a man called dr. UKO.He is powerful he could help you cast a spells to bring back my love’s gone,misbehaving lover looking for some one to love you, bring back lost money and magic money spell or spell for a good job.i’m now happy & a living testimony cos the man i had wanted to marry left me 3 weeks before our wedding and my life was upside down cos our relationship has been on for 2 years… i really loved him, but his mother was against me and he had no good paying job. so when i met this spell caster, i told him what happened and explained the situation of things to him..at first i was undecided,skeptical and doubtful, but i just gave it a try. and in 6 days when i returned to taxes, my boyfriend (is now my husband ) he called me by himself and came to me apologizing that everything had been settled with his mom and family and he got a new job interview so we should get married..i didn’t believe it cos the spell caster only asked for my name and my boyfriends name and all i wanted him to do… well we are happily married now and we are expecting our little kid,and my husband also got a new job and our lives became much better. in case anyone needs the spell caster for some help, email address ukospelltemple@yahoo.com Great UKO i thank you very much thank you in 1000000 times.. if not you i would have been losted and wasted thank you. please make sure you contact him for any financial difficulties okay.. What a powerful man such as Dr UKO.. he is so much powerful..\\ email him for any difficulties.. ukospelltemple@yahoo.com or his website: ukospelltemple.wixsite.com/mysite

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