Supplemental: A tale of four (rather shaky) sources!

SATURDAY, SEPTEMBER 13, 2014

What Ray Rice said to Goodell:
Increasingly, the Ray Rice matter has become a fascinating study of cable press corps procedures. These procedures flourished in the traditional press corps before cable became as dominant as it now is.

In the procedures we have in mind, pseudo-journalists select their official target. They then commence their morally pleasing Group Chase.

From that point on, almost everything you are told will be selective, tilted, slanted, perhaps a bit misleading. Just consider the recent excitement about ESPN’s “four sources.”

The excitement continued last night on the Erin Burnett and Chris Hayes programs (among others). That said, let’s return to Thursday night, for which transcripts are available.

If you’ve followed this general topic on cable, you’ve heard about the “bombshell” ESPN report—the one in which four sources contradict Roger Goodell. On Thursday night, Hayes described the bombshell report in the manner shown below.

As is required by cable law, he started with Watergate lingo. To watch the full segment, click here:
HAYES (9/11/14): What did the NFL know? What did Roger Goodell know it and when did he know it? That’s the question that continues to plague NFL commissioner Roger Goodell.

Tonight, we have more blockbuster reporting suggesting Goodell knew more than he has said he knew.

[...]

Joining me, Bomani Jones, co-host of ESPN’s Highly Questionable.

And the big blockbuster story tonight, Bomani, is that four sources have told ESPN’s Outside the Lines that Ray Rice told Goodell on June 16 that he punched [his] then-fiancee in a casino elevator, an assertion that contradicts Goodell’s statement this week that, "when we met with Ray Rice and his representatives, it was ambiguous about what actually happened."
Using the thrilling term twice, Hayes described the blockbuster thusly:

“Four sources have told ESPN’s Outside the Lines that Ray Rice told Goodell on June 16 that he punched [his] then-fiancée in a casino elevator, an assertion that contradicts Goodell’s statement this week.”

Rice told Goodell that he punched his fiancée! Four sources have told ESPN!

Jones is a charismatic TV sports pundit. Unfortunately, he thought his network’s report was a blockbuster too:
JONES (continuing directly): Well, I think it was fairly predictable. It wasn’t hard to find people who were adamant that Ray Rice told the commissioner what had happened. The Ravens, their Ozzie Newsome has said that Ray Rice was honest with them about what happened. So it seemed like it was just a matter of time before somebody said what happened. I didn’t expect it to be a four-source blockbuster, though. I mean, that’s a lot of people.

HAYES: Well, that’s a lot of people. And also, it’s another problem for Goodell in a number of ways...
As far as we know, Newsome has never characterized, on the record, what Rice said at that meeting. Somewhat vaguely, he has characterized what Rice said to himself and to Coach John Harbaugh.

Whatever! From there, Hayes continuing the mandated chasing and killing of the pig, in this case Goodell.

This is Standard Cable Excitement, of a type that was widely practiced against President Clinton and Candidate Gore. Here’s the way it works:

Under these standard procedures, a target is picked by the mainstream press. From that point on, all information will be said to constitute the latest blockbuster showing the target is vile.

In this case, the target is Goodell. The aim is to show that he has been lying about what Rice actually said.

Has Goodell been lying about what Rice said in that meeting? We have no way of knowing. But we do know how to read “news reports,” including the rather shaky report by Don Van Natta at ESPN.

We’re using ESPN’s updated version of its report about the four sources. Evaluate those “sources” with care.

Also, check your wallets:
VAN NATTA (9/12/14): Ray Rice told NFL commissioner Roger Goodell on June 16 that he punched his then-fiancée in a casino elevator, four sources have told "Outside the Lines," an assertion that contradicts Goodell's statement this week that "when we met with Ray Rice and his representatives, it was ambiguous about what actually happened."

Goodell made the statement Tuesday during an interview with CBS News, saying the latest video released by TMZ Sports about the incident was "inconsistent" with what the former Baltimore Ravens running back had told him. But four sources close to Rice say that during the disciplinary meeting in the commissioner's office on June 16, Rice told Goodell he had hit Janay Rice, then his fiancée, in the face inside a Revel Casino Hotel elevator in Atlantic City, New Jersey, and had knocked her unconscious.

"Ray didn't lie to the commissioner," a source with knowledge of the meeting told "Outside the Lines." "He told the full truth to Goodell—he made it clear he had hit her, and he told Goodell he was sorry and that it wouldn't happen again."

"He told the truth," a second source said. "This is a public lynching of Ray."

A third source with knowledge of Rice's discussion with the commissioner said: "There was no ambiguity about what happened [in the elevator]." A fourth source also confirmed how the information was relayed at the meeting; however, a fifth source with knowledge of the meeting said Rice told Goodell he had "slapped" his fiancée.

The accounts given by the sources, who spoke on condition of anonymity, contradict Goodell's statement that he did not know precisely what had happened inside the elevator until he watched the TMZ Sports-released videotape on Monday morning.
There is no question about one thing. “The accounts given by the sources” (tend to) contradict Goodell's recent statements.

(In this context, be careful about the extremely slippery word "hit.")

Having said that, riddle us this: Do you see any indication that any of ESPN’s four sources were actually present at the June 16 meeting? In other words, do any of ESPN’s “four sources” have first-hand knowledge of what Rice told Goodell?

Uh-oh! Van Natta never says that! At no point does Van Natta say that these sources have first-hand knowledge of what was said. Nor does Van Natta explain why they “spoke on condition of anonymity,” or why they were allowed to.

At one point, Van Natta describes the four sources as “four sources close to Rice.” As far as we can tell from his report, this could mean that they’re simply repeating what Rice has told them about that meeting.

Elsewhere, Van Natta says these sources have “knowledge of the meeting” or “knowledge of Rice's discussion with the commissioner.” But do the sources have first-hand knowledge? Van Natta never says.

According to Van Natta, a fifth source says that Rice told Goodell that he “slapped” his fiancée. (That isn’t what Rice actually did in the elevator, of course.) Here too, there is no claim that this source was actually present at the June 16 meeting.

This is suspiciously weak “reporting.” For the record, Van Natta is an old Times hand. While he was at the New York Times, this kind of slippery reporting was widely employed against Clinton and Gore. Also against Wen Ho Lee, in blockbuster reports for which the Times later had to apologize.

On its face, that ESPN report is noticeably soft. Instead of talking to Jones, Hayes should have been asking Van Natta about the strength of those “four sources,” who may or may not actually know what they’re talking about.

Instead, Hayes told you the report was a “blockbuster.” That's how these chases work.

Do those four sources have first-hand knowledge? We don’t have the slightest idea.

To appearances, neither does Hayes. As a matter of basic journalism, he should have pointed that out.

Present at the creation: Deep in his lengthy report, Van Natta seems to provide the list of people present at the meeting:
VAN NATTA: The June 16 meeting in Goodell's Manhattan office was attended by Rice, his wife, two players' union representatives, Newsome and Ravens president Dick Cass.

[...]

Goodell was accompanied at the meeting by Adolpho Birch, the league's senior vice president for labor policy, and Jeff Pash, the NFL's general counsel.
How many of ESPN’s four sources were actually present that day? We’ve seen the giant stars of cable discuss this report again and again.

How many of the sources were present? So far, we’ve seen no one ask!

19 comments:

  1. It's fall. It's football. Happy times in Howler land as we get to connect
    allegedly lousy sports reporting to crimes against Clinton, Gore, and even poor Wen Ho Lee.

    Due to the critical nature of the events themselves and obvious Clinton/Gore era connection of this major outbreak of pig hunting your Howler coverage of major crimes committed by Fawn Brodie and well housed rich journalism connected celebrities will be momentarily postponed.

    For those seeking other topics we used to cover, like race baiting by bloggers-we-used-to-love written in Sandanista-Stalinist publications formerly edited by frined of Chris Matthews with McCarthy connections,
    please go here. Warning: R Bombs present:

    http://www.salon.com/2014/09/12/its_disgusting_and_its_still_about_race_southern_republicans_simply_dont_want_minorities_to_vote/







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    1. http://crooksandliars.com/2014/09/django-unchained-actress-handcuffed-cops

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  2. The four sources claim Rice told Goodell he threw a punch. Or did Rice lie and say he slapped her instead of punching her?

    In what context did the punch occur? Was Rice under attack? Was he defending himself against additional blows? (Note: Given Goodell's widely criticized lack of attention to domestic violence by NFL players, does anyone think Goodell wouldn't also be one of those who thinks there are in fact some circumstances where it is okay to hit a women?)

    So does this really contradict Goodell, who claims Rice was ambiguous?

    More importantly the police report is not ambiguous. Why are we, Mr. Somerby and Mr. Goodell focusing on what Ray Rice said when the police report is the most damaging unambiguous evidence (so far) against the Comish.

    It's interesting (even amusing) that both Bomani Jones and Michael Wilbon have indirectly (without naming names) taken a shot at Stephen A. Smith's focus and insistence that unless we can prove Goodell actually saw the video, why all the fuss. Too funny.

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    1. It could be woof.

      http://news.msn.com/crime-justice/man-allegedly-cooked-dog-fed-it-to-ex-girlfriend

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  3. OMB (Shaky Sources and Full Beliefs with the OTB)

    As a frequent critic of the frequent way in which BOB often seems to repeat what he has already said repeatedly, we are somewhat reluctant to be critical again of BOB by regurgitating previous work.
    But since this post is about the NFL, and it mentions both shaky sources and Al Gore, and our previous comment was in a post about the NFL, Al Gore, and beliefs, we repeat a response we gave to deadrat two posts back in "Shira Springer fully believes!" We can't say again how sorry we are to have to repeat ourselves once more. That said:

    "ALAS, deadrat!

    Like Mayor Sokolich, Author Segal Seems to Change His Story!

    We get this from a very reliable source. When he credited Al Gore for being 25% right for allegedly telling a New York Times reporter he based Oliver Barrett IV on Albert Gore, Jr., Erich Segal seemed to contradict earlier statements made "for the record" about who the mystery man was behind the endearing fictional rebel against daddyism.

    Just a year before he did a "CMA" favor for then VP Gore, Segal tabbed someone else as his inspiration:

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/reliable-source/wp/2013/10/10/al-gore-vs-terry-lenzner-who-was-the-real-oliver-of-love-story/

    It would appear Segal wrote a letter to legendary DC private eye Terry Lenzner telling him he was Ollie!

    To us, it sounds like the author is changing his story. That said, BOB seems to understand the process by which story grows.

    BOB ends this morning’s post with reference to Watergate, in which Lenzner play a crucial role. He throws in a couple of "lies" told about Gore. But he never suggests, in any way, that the lie that started it all, Gore's claim to be the model for Love Story, was, possible, really a lie after all.

    Gack! Did BOB ever cover this revealing but unwelcome story when it broke in 2013? We find no mention in TDH article of Terry Lezner's name at all! Why has this story disappeared when it was covered in the Style section of the Washington Post, which BOB reads to denounce religiously?

    As a courtesy, we’ll assume BOB noticed! But this sort of scam is quite routine when we watch story grow. We only bring it up now because the story Al was 25% right continues to stalk Howler posts to this day.

    (With a stylistic nod to the work of R. Somerby from his post of 1/13/2014)

    Kickoff in just 24 minutes. Enjoy the game of your choice!

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    1. We would be remiss if we did not include a link to the WaPo
      Style article. Not because we perceive any lack of trust, but because the photo also includes another favorite recent Howler topic.

      http://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/style/terry-lenzner-the-private-eye-who-has-seen-it-all-from-watergate-to-microsoft/2013/10/09/9bf8661a-3062-11e3-8906-3daa2bcde110_story.html

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    2. Shorter ZZZzzzzzK:

      I have nothing useful to say about the reporting on Goodell, or Somerby's characterization of it as herd-like, so instead pretend this tripe is delicious!

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    3. Ah yes, those memories from just a few short months ago when confronted by a Sokolich statement about somebody needing something done to their hindquarters, our blogger had to quickly explain how suddenly said mayor had changed from Malala.

      Of course, it was all the fault of vile, money-grubbing Chris Hayes and his trick questions.

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    4. Well, Anon. @ 8:28 nobody had anything else to say useful about it either except one commenter, Michael T. That includes you.

      So if you wish to attack what we said, try responding to our description of BOB's reporting for fifteen years about the facts of Al Gore's Love Story story. We think we characterized his version as what the herd leaves behind when they finish grazing.

      You see, our friend, if BOB has covered up something as important as who really was Oliver B. IV, how can he be trusted on anything as important as coverage of off field actions concerning a running back in the NFL?

      Until you have the courage to confront the demon we have revealed, we shall conclude you fall into the category BOB has so often deplored: human without reason.

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    5. Zzznoresville admitZ he has nothing to add -- then wonders why we won't eat his shit stew!!!?

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    6. Anonymous 12:30 admits he is unable refute the fact that Erich Segal put in writing that someobdy other than Al Gore was the model for Oliver in Love Story before Al Gore told reporters he and Tipper were the models for both characters.

      No need to characterize that...it is a fact. Zzzster has you with you panties around your ankles.

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    7. Anonymous @2:43P,

      You're right, except for the fact that we don't really know what Segal put in writing. We have a story that quotes somebody who says he has a letter crediting himself as the model. And the fact that Gore's claim is that he'd heard a report that Segal had said that Gore himself was the model. And the fact that such a report is recorded in a Nashville newspaper.

      Check your own ankles. Then try reading for comprehension.

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    8. Anon 1230:

      I wouldn't even know how to prepare it, much less eat it.

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