THE HOUSES OF NANTUCKET COUNTY: Summering with the NBC crowd!

MONDAY, SEPTEMBER 22, 2014

Part 1—A window on the world:
Long ago and far away, the Washingtonian may have given its readers a window onto the world.

We refer to a lengthy lifestyle piece in the August 2003 issue of the “insider Washington” magazine. We know of no on-line link to the piece.

In part, this highly instructive piece described The Houses of Journalist County. More specidically, we were invited to contemplate a few of The Houses of Nantucket County.

For all previous reports in this award-winning series, click here.

The Washingtonian focuses on the lifestyles of upper-class Washington. To our suspicious, well-informed minds, Sallie Brady’s lengthy piece suggested the things a person might do to make his way into the island mansions she briefly described in her piece.

Brady wasn’t trying to blow the whistle on the nation’s leading TV journalists. Her 6400-word piece was cheerful and fawning in tone.

Brady was simply helping us see where Washington’s finest summer. Her report started like this:
BRADY (8/03): Congress is in recess, and all over town, office voicemails gleefully offer return dates of September 2.

It's August in Washington, which means it's time to get out of town.

Where is everyone?
If you're young, rich, and single, you might be in the Hamptons.

Political and media establishment? That would be Martha's Vineyard.

Ever work for NBC or raise money for the pols? See you on Nantucket.
The banter was upbeat throughout.

As she continued, Brady discussed the Washington scene on Martha’s Vineyard.

(In 1972, “in a watershed moment,” Washington Post owner Katherine Graham “anointed the 100-square-mile island a Washington summer colony,” Brady gushingly said.)

Brady went on to discuss the Washington scene in the Hamptons. She then moved on to a second island off the Massachusetts coast.

According to Brady, the gang from NBC News did its summering on Nantucket. In the passage shown below, she discusses that part of the Nantucket scene, which also involved a large number of corporate players and a succession of pols who come to the island begging them for cash.

To the untrained eye, the following passage may seem rather innocuous. We would suggest that it almost surely provides an important window onto the world, including George Bush’s war in Iraq and the subsequent rise of ISIS.

You’ve never seen this passage discussed. That concerted silence represents a major story too:
BRADY: In summer, Nantucket is a remarkable re-creation of Washington politics, fundraisers, and restaurant life, confined to a 3.5-by-14-mile resort island.

Tim Russert remembers the first time he visited. It “was in 1972. I had graduated from college,” Russert recalled in a Nantucket Magazine profile. “About 20 of us drove up, and we all jumped on the [Steamship Authority ferry] …and as soon as I stepped off I said, 'This is something special.’”

Russert is part of the Nantucket NBC crowd, one of the cliques that fuels the isle’s social engine. It was Jack Welch, the story goes, the 20-year chairman and CEO of NBC's parent company, General Electric, who drew network folk to Nantucket.

Russert and his wife, Vanity Fair writer Maureen Orth, began summering on Nantucket in 1992.
Russert has said he can go days without leaving his house except for a bike ride to get the newspapers. Then he'll sit in his rocking chair and watch the grass blow in the breeze.

Russert does make it back for Meet the Press, the show that made him and that helped finance the Nantucket hideaway he acquired in 1999. The sprawling gray-shingled house, with rooftop sundeck and cutting garden, lies down an unmarked dirt path through a secluded forest. Hanging over the portico, a wooden sign bearing the cottage's name says it all: SUNDAY MORNING.

Russert’s boss, NBC CEO Bob Wright, is also on the scene.
Add to the cocktail chatter the latest tidbits from the Oval Office, care of White House correspondent David Gregory, who was married on Nantucket and returns with his wife, Beth, for vacations; celeb updates from Access Hollywood host Pat O'Brien, who retreats here; and Washington gossip from News 4 anchor Barbara Harrison, and the only ones missing from the NBC lineup are Will and Grace.

Although Welch retired in 2001, he's still a power magnet. He holds court from a massive gray-shingled home festooned with window boxes, near Sankaty Head Golf Club. It was there that Welch once played Bill Gates and Warren Buffett, only to discover that two of the richest men in the world routinely bet only $1 a round.

For years, Sankaty, with its reported 30-year waiting list, was the only private 18-hole course on the island. In 1997, Welch and other investors pooled dividend checks to turn a sheep pasture into the ultra-exclusive Nantucket Golf Club. "New rich," sniff the Old Guard. "For those who'd never get into Sankaty," say others.

Unlike Sankaty, which allows nonmembers in the winter, Nantucket is limited to its 300 members, who've ponied up hundreds of thousands of dollars not because of the club's pool or tennis courts—it has neither—but for the "comfort zone of being with our peers," says one member.
For the record, that passage includes one of the seven instances where Brady used “summer” as a verb without apparent irony.

In that passage, Brady describes two of The Houses of Nantucket County—Jack Welch’s “massive gray-shingled home” and the late Tim Russert’s “sprawling gray-shingled house,” which was also a “hideaway” and a “cottage.”

Brady mentions Bob Wright, the CEO of NBC, another Nantucket homeowner. She mentions David Gregory, Russert’s successor at Meet the Press, who was only said to vacation on the island.

Given such obtuse behavior, it’s no wonder Gregory’s out!

A bit later on, Brady added a name which will play the key role in this week’s reports. We refer to MSNBC’s Chris Matthews, who has played a very important, disgraceful role in modern journalistic history—a role you don’t see discussed:
BRADY: The dazzling bank accounts of summer people like Tommy Hilfiger, Bunny Mellon, whose father-in-law, Andrew, paid for the National Gallery of Art, and Arie and Coco Kopelman, who own Chanel, create a magnetic pull on politicians. At the height of summer, congressional sightings are as common as seagulls, especially during election years. The season's biggest migration is the fly-in of nearly two dozen members of the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee.

"We usually have four or five of them," says former ambassador Elizabeth Frawley Bagley, chair of the Democratic National Committee National Advisory Board, who's married to Smith Bagley, an heir to the R.J. Reynolds fortune, who sits on the board of the Kennedy Center. "Tom Daschle, Debbie Stabenow, Harry Reid, Martin Frost, Barbara Boxer, Dianne Feinstein, John Breaux, Hillary Clinton, Joe Biden, Chris Dodd—they've all stayed with us."

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"We try not to do too much fundraising in the summer because we do so much of it the rest of the year," says Elizabeth Bagley, who in her early days worked for another Nantucket regular, Ted Kennedy. "But there are exceptions: Hillary's Senate campaign, the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee, and the American Ireland Fund."

Bagley founded the Nantucket chapter of the American Ireland Fund and annually hosts a cocktail buffet for several hundred that draws in the shamrock contingent: the Russerts, Kennedys, Kerrys, and MSNBC host Chris Matthews and his wife, Channel 7's Kathleen [Matthews].
Brady’s piece appeared in August 2003. Roughly one year later, Matthews became the latest of the “NBC crowd” (and the “shamrock contingent”) to buy a home on the island.

In our reports this week, we will refer to only a few of The Houses of Nantucket County. On the whole, our reports will only encompass four major players at NBC News. These will be the major dramatis personae:
The NBC crowd on Nantucket:
Jack Welch, long-time former CEO of General Electric
Bob Wright, long-time president, chairman and CEO of NBC
Tim Russert, Washington bureau chief of NBC News, host of Meet the Press
Chris Matthews, host of Hardball
When we discuss The Houses of Nantucket County, we’ll be talking about this small but extremely influential band. As we close today’s report, let’s make sure we have a rough idea what the houses in question are like.

In the passage presented above, Brady described Russert’s sprawling summer home on Nantucket as a “hideaway” and as a “cottage.” In June 2008, the Cape Cod Times published a photo of the rather large Nantucket cottage Russert owned at that time, which it said was valued at $7.2 million.

We don’t know if that's the same house Brady wrote about. The question isn’t relevant to our award-winning point.

Matthews purchased his own summer home on Nantucket in 2004. According to the Boston Globe, the purchase price of Matthews’ crib was $4.35 million.

Under our system, there’s nothing “wrong” with summering in homes of this type. That said, there may be something very wrong with the things a TV journalist will do to put himself in position to summer and weekend this way.

Starting most dramatically in March 1999, Matthews engaged in years of astonishing “journalism”—“journalism” which reinforced the conservative views of the near-billionaire Welch, his corporate owner and eventual island neighbor.

According to standard press reports, Matthews’ salary rose from $1.1 million to $5 million during the period when he engaged in this astounding “journalistic” conduct. By the summer of 04, he was able to acquire one of The Houses of Nantucket County.

Matthews wasn’t the only broadcaster who prospered under the ownership of Welch. By all accounts, including Russert’s own, the conservative CEO made Tim Russert’s journalistic career.

Russert got wealthy under Welch. Consider a tale of two signs.

In Brady’s cheerful profile, she said the sign outside Russert’s sprawling cottage said this: SUNDAY MORNING. In her account, the cottage had been named in honor of Russert’s TV program.

Last year, in his book This Town, Mark Leibovich described a different sign outside Russert’s summer home on Nantucket. As of 2008, Leibovich said the sign said this: “The House That Jack Built.”

(For fuller text, see below.)

Did the sign really say that? We can’t confirm or deny! But in a very familiar note, let us also mention this:

Leibovich’s book was widely reviewed. In a Nexis search, we find no indication that any reviewer mentioned that sign, which Leibovich pushed to the front of his book.

What’s signed on Nantucket stays on Nantucket! Within the guild we still call the mainstream press, such matters will not get discussed!

We can’t tell you what the sign said outside Russert’s cottage. It may even be that the two signs stood outside two different houses.

We can’t tell you what the sign said. But starting in March 1999, Matthews’ conduct was easy to observe and confirm. It was conducted on the air, for all the world to see.

Relentlessly, that astonishing conduct advanced Jack Welch’s conservative line. Almost surely, Matthews’ conduct also changed world history.

(Don’t be fooled by the way Matthews behaves today. Today, he pimps the corporate line of his new corporate owners.)

Matthews’ conduct during those years was outrageous, astounding. More outrageous is the way it has always gone undiscussed.

Can we talk? Some people will do and say many things to put themselves in position to enter The Houses of Nantucket County. Other people will keep very quiet about what those people have done.

In the next few days, we’ll review the way those desires may have affected the conduct of NBC News during the Clinton/Gore and early Bush years.

Jack Welch owned NBC News at that time. He lived in The Houses of Nantucket County, and we’re going to tell you it showed.

Kevin Drum and others will fail to link to the things we show. In all its aspects, this is a story you aren’t supposed to discuss.

Tomorrow: Assembling a news division

A possible sign of the times: Mark Leibovich’s book, This Town, was published just last year.

He started by reviewing the way Washington reacted to Russert’s sudden, premature death in June 2008. Below, you see one part of the way he profiled Russert:
LEIBOVICH (page 20): Russert—“Tim”—reached the top of the pecking order while shrouding a cutthroat ambition in his slovenly nonchalance. While a focused and surgical ambition is vital to success in D.C., the ability to be appropriately sheepish about it is more so. Russert had a nice, easy populism about him—just a guy out of Buffalo who cherished his country, loved his dad and his son and his Bills and his T-shirts and all that. "Rumpled" is always good for the brand here, and Tim had that nailed.

He was also acutely status-conscious. Known primarily as a TV star, he preferred to identify himself by his more hierarchical title, "Washington bureau chief."

[...]

Tim liked his seat in the corporate boardroom and his large home in Nantucket, "The House That Jack Built," as the sign outside identified the Nantucket house—Jack being Jack Welch, the longtime CEO of NBC's corporate parent, General Electric. Russert and Brokaw attended Ronald Reagan's funeral as guests, and then walked outside the Washington National Cathedral to anchor the news coverage for NBC.

Tim lived in the sweet spot of the big, lucrative revolving door between money, media, and politics...
Leibovich also described Russert as “a superb journalist,” though he offered a sardonic account of what that meant in this instance.

So you’ll know, page 20 was just the second page of Leibovich’s Chapter One. As such, he pushed that sign—“The House That Jack Built”—right to the front of his portrait of Insider Washington, which didn’t resemble Brady’s cheerful portrait in tone.

Was there really such a sign outside one of The Houses of Nantucket County? We can’t confirm or deny it! Inside insider Washington, a sign like that will not get discussed, even if it exists.

We’re going to tell you an ugly story. The silence surrounding this ugly story is a big ugly story too.

54 comments:

  1. Still cutting and pasting from other people's work -- this time from 11 years ago -- to "prove" that a handfull of TV network "stars" make a lot of money.

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    1. A handful of media journalists are being paid a great deal of money plus entree into closed circles of status that are difficult even for millionaires to break into, as perks or payoffs for telling the stories certain plutocrats want told.

      Quoting is not "cutting and pasting" other people's work.

      If you think anything has changed since 11 years ago, you are deluded.

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    2. Thanks 10:43!

      Yeah, it's hardly "proven" to be so. But us idiots know that's what Somerby's trying to prove.

      And more: Somerby consistently refers to Jack Welch as Chris Matthews' "owner." I'm pretty sure that's not true either!!

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    3. Trolls are disputing whether these media figures make a lot of money? Silly trolls.

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    4. It's a highly problematic column about a non issue.

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    5. A very lazy criticism. Did the trolls have a hard weekend?

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    6. If Somerby is saying that the handful of TV network stars who live large have also reported erroneous stories in exchange for "perks" and "payoffs". then he needs to support that with evidence.

      Such as . . . Meredith Vieira did a glowing report on the oil industry. That week, she deposited a fat check from British Petroleum in her bank account.

      This whole, "They live in nice houses, so they MUST be doning something wrong" is juvenile.

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    7. "If you think anything has changed since 11 years ago, you are deluded."

      Call me deluded then, because I think a whole heck of a lot has changed since 2003.

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    8. Somerby supports his claims with examples here on a daily basis.

      For me, the best example that nothing has changed is the slew of pundits claiming that they are tired of Hillary Clinton, that she is again the heir apparent but already bungling her campaign, that her book is not doing well (despite being still on the bestseller lists), that she is being too coy about running when she urges us to focus on the midterm elections, and so on. This is all the same old anti-Clinton crap. What has changed? The press is still trying to appoint our candidates, still focusing on trivialities instead of issues.

      Economic indicators suggest that our economy is not improving, that our recession is continuing. Who is addressing the economic policies underlying our slump? Who is questioning whether austerity has worked? Who is asking for more public spending?

      I work in public education. Who, besides John Oliver and Bill Maher, has been decrying the abandonment of funding for public education? Standards are empty without funding. When did we decide as a nation to make students pay for their own college via debt? Who is calling for reform of that policy? NOT YOU. Not anyone I hear on TV or read in newspapers. 11 years ago, we were in the midst of a real estate boom. Then the bubble burst and the press joined forces with plutocrats to tell us a Wall Street recovery meant that the nation's economy was recovering. I know people who have been unemployed for years now. I haven't received a raise since Obama was elected. Middle class salaries have been stagnating for decades as prices keep increasing. Who talks about that? Not Darling Rachel. She'd rather poop on Christie.

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    9. Fella, that you think John Oliver and Bill Maher are the only people decrying the abandonment of funding in public education, says a lot.

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    10. Why do you assume that everyone on the internet is necessarily male? Next you'll call me Bucko.

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    11. Because a woman couldn't possibly be that stupid.

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    12. Name calling again -- you trolls are incredibly lazy.

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    13. Anonymous@2:41 PM: do you have the slightest idea how ironic your comment is?

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  2. Edward R. Murrow had a nice home, too. Sent his kid to a nice school.

    What is the real issue here, that top journalists shouldn't make a lot of money, or that NEWS shouldn't be expected to make a lot of money?

    If broadcast news were allowed to revert to its former Cronkite-Brinkley practices, or if everybody adopted the ways of boring (unless you're into news) BBC America, would the Russerts or the Matthewses or the Gregorys stand a chance?

    Forget Murrow. We're all Walter Winchell now.

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    1. These aren't "nice homes". They are very expensive vacation homes in a compound peopled by the rich and powerful.

      The real issue here is that when journalists are paid off in such ways, they lose their ability to tell the truth to the American people. They also tend to report stories their benefactors want told, with the slant their benefactors want to see. They ignore stories that might "embarrass" such interests. They become tools of the plutocracy instead of members of a free press.

      Murrow is held up as a paragon, but he was among the last to go after McCarthy. He was important because his visibility gave weight to his criticisms of McCarthy, not because he was first or a lone voice crying out against McCarthy's abuses. Power does corrupt.

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    2. Bob has stated and restated the issue re homes and salaries. Right? Did you miss it? I will cut and paste it for you f you wish. Best,

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    3. "The real issue here is that when journalists are paid off in such ways, they lose their ability to tell the truth to the American people."

      Yes, that is the real issue here. Unfortunately, it is also one in which Somerby won't touch with the proverbial 40-footer.

      Why? Because it is a very serious allegation requiring very serious evidence which would require very serious investigative work to gather.

      Far easier to throw the sweet hay of fancy homes and big salaries -- as if that proved anything -- at your cattle and let them low to their heart's content.

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    4. I consider Somerby's How He Got There to be the serious evidence you call for. I think the salaries these people are paid are a matter of public record and do not require further proof that they are very large. The houses stand as witness that these guys have received big bucks. Click on the link and go read How He Got There.

      I personally do want to know why the climate change march received so little coverage. I want to know why the media stopped covering Occupy, even though the movement still exists and is doing good work. I want to know why domestic violence itself is ignored except when football players cannot play their game because of it. I want to know why Dowd gets to write drivel and why any of us should care about Blow's sexuality.

      I don't like being called a cow by someone who is too lazy to read the evidence already provided.

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    5. That's your evidence? "How He Got There"?

      Dear child, allegations do not become the truth merely because the author has been repeating them incessantly for 15 years.

      And I would say that "How He Got There" stands as evidence of the opposite you think it does.

      Consider for a moment how Somerby couldn't find a publisher for it. Then, many, many years later, he decided to publish the first couple of chapters he had been hawking around on his own Web site.

      And he quickly gave it up for, in his own words, "lack of public interest."

      In other words, not even enough of his devoted fans were clicking on it for free.

      This is for many, many reasons besides the notion that his thesis was poorly thought out and weakly substantiated. It also suffered the fatal blow of being poorly organized, poorly researched and above all else, extremely poorly written.

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    6. You asked for the evidence and you deride it for not having sufficient popular appeal. Sounds like you would feel right at home at NBC or in one of those fancy houses. It is only about ratings, right?

      Poorly this, poorly that -- sounds like a bunch of empty adjectives to me. We already know you don't like Somerby. It doesn't surprise me you don't have the ability to give even one substantive criticism of this post or Somerby's other blog.

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    7. I asked for evidence and you gave me "How He Got There."

      BWAAAAHAHAHA!

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    8. Anonymous @11:27A,

      McCarthy won two terms, first taking office in 1947. He started his red baiting in his first term, making his famous "I've got a list of communist" speech in Wheeling, WV in 1950 and goading the Senate into investigating his charges that year. But the Democrats controlled the Senate, and approved the resulting report from the Tydings Committee dismissing McCarthy's charges as nonsense. Truman was still President and he made no secret of his contempt for McCarthy. Six Republican Senators led by the redoubtable Margaret Chase Smith denounced McCarthy's tactics but refused to name him. And the Korean War overshadowed McCarthy.

      In 1953, McCarthy won reelection, Eisenhower became President, the Republicans won the Senate, and fighting stopped in Korea. With war headlines gone, a President who wouldn't oppose him, and a Senate that gave him an investigative committee, McCarthy came into his own with the Army-McCarthy hearings. Murrow broadcast his two reports on McCarthy in March of 1954, the week before and the week of the start of those hearings, at a time when McCarthy held widespread public approval.

      Murrow wasn't the first to oppose McCarthy, but he wasn't among the last. The start of the move to censure McCarthy was still three months away at the time of the See It Now episodes. A move made possible by the decline in McCarthy's approval, itself made possible in turn by Murrow's work.

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    9. Three months before the move to censure McCarthy is near the end.

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    10. McCarthy? Wasn't that the guy Bobby Kennedy worked for? Or is he the one RFK jumped into the race against?

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  4. OMB (Getting Lazy for the Followers of the OTB)

    We join the accused. Nothing in this post hasn't been driven across the George Washington Bridge to the Twenty First Century a thousand times before. "The House That Jack Built" quote has made it three times. We counted 16 different mentions of the purchase price of the Chris crib on Natucket. You count may differ.

    Sixteen times, BOB, and no link from Uncle Drum.

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  5. Well, you have to put the DH up for some kind of Capra award, for surely he is fighting for a lost cause. The hubris is amusing, but everybody knows, as the song goes, that network news ethics were crushed long ago. I saw a piece on Murrow not too long ago, and they interviewed Baba Wawa, and She said something to the effect that "yes, he was so great"...and then brought up the time he interviewed some forgotten movie star. We have had it. I hope this series will not ignore that strange moment when the repurposed Matthews interviewed that crazed, dirty old man Welch, and was rightfully appalled by the weird, unsubstantiated charges the old creep was vomiting fourth. You could almost see what was left of Matthews soul whispering, "where do I go to give my Nantucket back?

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    1. "some forgotten movie star"

      Classy. You too will be forgotten someday, for having done less.

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    2. Why don't you see if you can find something to say in response to the post, instead of scrawling down looking for places to be bitchy? First, take a week or two and see if you can think of a handle. May I suggest "Idle Weirdo?"

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    3. First, do Barbara Walters the courtesy of using her actual name. Second, recognize that she has done more as a journalist than you do yourself in whatever it is you do for work. Third, you think I'm bitchy?

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    4. Yes, the great Edward R. Murrow once had a show called "Person to Person" in which he interviewed celebrities while they were in their rather comfortable homes through the magic of television.

      And yes, the great Edward R. Murrow is considered a pioneer, not only of hard-hitting news, but also of the celebrity interview.

      It was all quite entertaining.

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  6. The point that Bob s making (again) is that network news "journalism" is just not very credible (and that's especially true at Fox). "News" programs carry only a smattering of real news. And even some of the perceived heavy lifters, like Tim Russert, were not - and are not - so hot.

    Bob chides Chris Mathews for doing Jack Welch's bidding and going after Al Gore in the 2000 election, much to Mathews' discredit and to the nation's eventual harm. According to Bob, Mathews did what Welch preferred, and then cashed in. I'm still a bit baffled that Mathews has lasted for so long, because he's often a buffoon. His segments on public education are atrocious.

    And Tim Russert? Did he ever ask good questions? Sure. Did he ever probe past superficial responses? He did. Yet, when it came to the really BIG issues, like Iraq, Russert failed, like most of the mainstream media. Russert said none of his "sources" ever got on the phone to him to about Iraq, None of them ever told him that the "intelligence" was mostly manufactured, that there were no weapons of mass destruction. And he never thought to call.

    The Joe Scarboroughs and Mikas, the Matt Lauers and Meridiths, the Brian Willliams and Andreas, make some really big money. But think about it. Are they really very good?

    Eugene Meyer bought the Washington Post in 1933. He established seven guiding principles for its work. At the top of the list was this:

    "The first mission of a newspaper is to tell the truth as nearly as the truth can be ascertained'.”

    Meyer thought the duty of the paper (now, the media) was "lo tell ALL the truth so far as it can learn it," because –– importantly ––"the newspaper's duty is to its readers and to the public at large, and not to the private interests of its owners." In essence, authentic journalism should serve the public good.

    There is no perfect world. There are no perfect people. But there are tons of people in the media today, many of whom burnish their images as "journalists," who lack the ability or desire to think critically and investigate thoroughly. A certain "reporter" at 60 Minutes come to mind?

    While you might not embrace Bob's rehashing of the Welch-Mathews- Russert affairs, he still makes a valid point.


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    1. Yes, and I am forever grateful to whatever Bobfan is assigned the daily task of explaining that point to me. And in slightly fewer words that Bob uses.

      Now I would think that they would grow tired of all this daily explaining. But apparently, they concede that their hero doesn't articulate it very well and needs all their help he can get.

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    2. There's not a soul here who is not aware that you are here only to denigrate a blogger you dislike by any means necessary including the silliest and most superfluous of arguments.

      People who are here because they have the temerity to actually enjoy the man, don't care how you feel about them.

      It must be hard to go through life working to be the rain at the picnic. The worst that can be said about any troll is that you are entirely suited for this job and have a sadistic enjoyment of it.

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    3. Seems to me people who enjoy Bob should enjoy other people who like to pee on the legs of other writers.

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    4. @ Anon 11:28:

      You don't pee very well 'cause you're missing those legs....

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    5. Yeah, we like it so much we don't all rush out to personally insult Maureen Dowd and her fans at the NYT comment board.

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    6. I hated Dowd until she got high with Willie.

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    7. Really @ 1:11? I liked her until Digby and Joan Walsh went after her.

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