Is Donald J. Trump impaired: Did Donald J. Trump misspeak yesterday? Did he mean to say what's shown below when the AP's Jonathan Lemire put him on the spot?
LEMIRE (7/16/18): My second question is, would you now, with the whole world watching, tell President Putin—would you denounce what happened in 2016? And would you warn him to never do it again?"I don't see any reason why it wouldn't be [Russia]?" Is that what he meant to say? To review the full transcript, click here.
TRUMP: So let me just say that we have two thoughts. You have groups that are wondering why the FBI never took the server. Why haven't they taken the server? Why was the FBI told to leave the office of the Democratic National Committee? I've been wondering that. I've been asking that for months and months, and I've been tweeting it out and calling it out on social media. Where is the server? I want to know, where is the server? And what is the server saying?
With that being said, all I can do is ask the question. My people came to me—Dan Coats came to me and some others—they said they think it's Russia. I have President Putin; he just said it's not Russia.
I will say this: I don't see any reason why it wouldn't be [Russia]...
Is that what Donald J. Trump meant to say? As always, everything's possible! That said, if you read the commander's full statement to Lemire, his statement makes a lot more sense if you assume that he said what he actually meant.
(As a basic courtesy, avert your gaze from his rambling comments about the server. More on that tendency below.)
Trump's full statement makes much more sense if you assume that he didn't misspeak. On the other hand...
On the other hand, here's the commander's first Q-and-A, including his response to Jeff Mason's open-ended question. By normal standards, this answer might seem to suggest that Donald J. Trump did believe that the Russkies interfered in the 2016 election:
MASON (7/16/18): Mr. President, you tweeted this morning that it's U.S. foolishness, stupidity, and the Mueller probe that is responsible for the decline in U.S. relations with Russia. Do you hold Russia at all accountable for anything in particular? And if so, what would you consider them—that they are responsible for?By normal standards, Trump almost seems to be saying, in the highlighted passage, that interference did occur, but with "virtually none of it related to the campaign." In this answer, it almost sounds like Trump believes that the Russkies did interfere, but he doesn't really care all that much beyond the insistence that there was no collusion.
TRUMP: Yes, I do. I hold both countries responsible. I think that the United States has been foolish. I think we've all been foolish. We should have had this dialogue a long time ago—a long time, frankly, before I got to office. And I think we're all to blame. I think that the United States now has stepped forward, along with Russia. And we're getting together. And we have a chance to do some great things, whether it's nuclear proliferation, in terms of stopping—because we have to do it. Ultimately, that's probably the most important thing that we can be working on.
But I do feel that we have both made some mistakes. I think that the probe is a disaster for our country. I think it's kept us apart. It's kept us separated. There was no collusion at all. Everybody knows it. People are being brought out to the fore—so far that I know, virtually none of it related to the campaign. And they're going to have try really hard to find somebody that did relate to the campaign. That was a clean campaign. I beat Hillary Clinton easily. And frankly, we beat her—and I'm not even saying from the standpoint—we won that race. And it's a shame that there can even be a little bit of a cloud over it...
What did Donald J. Trump actually think or mean? In one circumstance after another, dating back to his announcement speech, it has been extremely hard to say.
By light-years, he seems to be the most mentally muddled individual who ever sat in the Oval. This leads us again to a type of question which really ought to be asked:
Among other possible sources of chaos, is it possible that Donald J. Trump is mentally impaired in some way? Along with the possibility that he's being blackmailed or bribed, is it possible that he is suffering from some form of early onset dementia? Are we currently being led by a King Lear with nuclear codes?
As of today, many more pundits are openly asking if Donald J. Trump is being blackmailed. That strikes us as a very good question. So do questions about his mental health and his intellectual competence.
Final point:
He simply can't stop rambling on about Hillary Clinton. King Lear was a lot like that. Among other possible sources of chaos, is it possible that Donald J. Trump is impaired?
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ReplyDeleteHow about this possibility: he's fucking lying!
Questions about blackmail sound crazy.
ReplyDeleteTrump doesn't care about meddling beyond how much it has served as an excuse for the witch hunt. Hacking the DNC isn't that important and no one ever thought hacking attempts between countries was not going to be a part of their or our intelligence gathering toolbox. It's a concern but Trump's lack of interest at this point in time isn't a big deal.
I believe his explanation about "wouldn't" and the response from the lefty media was crazed and not credible.
I seem to keep posting the same comment. Muddled speech doesn't necessarily mean muddled thinking. I recall a company claims adjuster who was perfectly competent at his job, but who speech was typically muddled. This trait may have even helped him negotiate settlements of claims. At one point, there was a possibility that he'd be called as a witness in a lawsuit. That frightened the company, because one just didn't know what was going to come out of his mouth. Nevertheless, he was sane and effective at his job
ReplyDeleteTrump's extraordinary list of successes tell me that he has been unusually effective. Democrats are making a mistake if they think that he'll be taken down by supposed mental illness.
What about Trump's extraordinary list of failures?
DeleteTrump took on some very ambitious projects. E.g., trying to get a hit TV show or running for President. Not surprisingly he failed at some of these projects. Nevertheless it's most impressive that he had huge successes in several diverse fields.
DeleteYou cannot call any of his so-called successes success once you know how they were accomplished. Was Al Capone a success too? How about Stalin? Or dear leader Adolf? Look at his accomplishments, shall we?
DeleteI hope that everyone realizes and understands that Trump is not an aberration that is somehow distinct from the Republicans and conservatives, but is rather a realization of their many decades spent undermining democracy in order to benefit the country's wealthy and powerful at the expense of the rest of us.
DeleteHe is who we know they are.
AnonymousJuly 17, 2018 at 9:12 PM -are you serious? Did Trump murder 6 million Jews in order to have a hit TV show? Did he invade and conquer Belgium in order to be elected President?
DeleteJoe McGrath - Trump was elected democratically and has governed without taking actions beyond the President's designated power. In no way has Trump undermined democracy.
OTOH, what about a judge who ruled that a certain action by Trump was unconstitutional, even though the same action by another President would have been OK? Was that judge undermining democracy?
DavidinCal - Trump was elected with the unprecedented assistance of James Comey, the Republican Congress, widespread voter suppression, and with Russian ratfucking. Notwithstanding all that, Clinton won the popular vote by approximately 2.8 million votes. It's not the first time either. Gore won the popular vote in 2000 only to have the 5-4 Supreme Court conservatives throw the election to BushII. Thus, once again we are effectively governed by a minority, a undemocratic outcome. The legality of Trump's actions both before and after January 2017 has yet to be determined. More importantly for purposes of my original comment, Trump is the boil or pustule of republicanism and conservatism as it currently exists and not an exception to the disease that is ruining this country. That is my main point. You are free to agree or disagree. Your "OTOH" has little at all to do with my main point. You wish to steer others' comments into your own projection framing and away from the main point that Trump is who we think they are.
DeleteHe's working on his crimes against humanity. Hitler put kids in boxcars and shipped them away from parents too. Hitler threw tantrums and told lies and surrounded himself with deviant psychopaths. Our baby Hitler is right on track.
DeleteMM, I like your style, but that said, you're also a racist and racial comments like yours are why people can't leave the Democratic party fast enough. I know I did. DinC is a more effective advocate.
DeleteYes, 10:46. The real racists are the ones who point out racism.
DeleteBeing able to believe that nonsense is why Conservatives will never leave the GOP. Just kidding, it's the racism itself, obviously.
10:46 = stupid "#walkaway" troll.
Delete10:46 pointed out racism which 10:58 says is proof of 10:46's authority on who is or isn't racist. I agree. Pointing a finger and saying "racism" proves you're woke and correct.
Delete10:46 did not point out racism, he tried to be cute. I'm just agreeing with Comrade DinC. The issue here is what went wrong with Traitor Donny's childhood upbringing that turned him into such a malignant degenerate criminal amoral fraudulent lying sack of shit racist prick. My thought was he needed more discipline as a child. Don't you agree?
DeleteI don’t think Bob should apply his analytical skills to the things Trump says. It simply won’t get anywhere.
ReplyDeleteI did run across a very interesting interview on Democracy Now!, posted by Truthdig, with a bit of debate between Glenn Greenwald and Joe Cirincione, president of Ploughshares Fund, which I don’t think I’d ever heard of before. But now that I know who he is, I can’t help but admire him. And I’ve always had tremendous respect for Greenwald, and I think he does a tremendous job of putting the Trump/Putin bromance into much-needed perspective in this debate.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BK_D4yaTae4&feature=youtu.be&t=10
Leroy
My bad, it was posted at The Intercept.
DeleteAnd sorry, I really should have included the original article.
Deletehttps://theintercept.com/2018/07/16/a-spirited-substantive-debate-on-the-trumpputin-summit-russia-and-us-politics/
Leroy
I see what you did there. 3 plugs for your favorite comic book. Clever!
Delete""I don't see any reason why it wouldn't be [Russia]?" Is that what he meant to say? "
ReplyDeleteReminds me of the joke about the King shooting one of the peasants, a man who ran out into the clearing shouting "I am not a moose!"
The King's aide asks the King, "Why did you shoot that man?" The King replies "I thought he said 'I am a moose.'"
We all know what Trump meant to say and we all heard what he said. He said what Putin wanted him to say, what he has said repeatedly before. There is no misunderstanding about what he said. And the baldness of his lie is as obvious as the difference between a man and a moose.
If Bob wants to do clinical psychology, then the diagnostic term for Trump’s speech pattern is, hypomania. Not a serious mental illness at all.
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It is hard to feel any sympathy for Trump personally as he was the birther-in-chief. But, i worry for my country as the so-called intelligence community makes a near naked grab for ultimate power openly and with the connivance of factions in both Parties and major Media. Trump’s sanity is less worrisome to me that the moral vacuousness of figures like Mueller and Clapper — not to mention the zombie idiocracy giving Fox News and MSNBC high ratings thru the running farce. (Did you see that Facebook’s answer to fakenews is to feature the authority of CNN and Fox News?)
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DeleteDon't be ridiculous. Intelligence is providing evidence for due process -- hearings, indictments. trials. They are doing their job. The naked power grab is the ongoing obstruction. Don't come here pretending sympathy but spreading lies, if you are even human and not a bot or paid troll.
Delete"the so-called intelligence community makes a near naked grab for ultimate power openly"
DeleteBut I think it was pretty normal (and open, more or less) during the reign of J. Edgar Hoover.
Also, if you remember last year Schumer telling Maddow: “Let me tell you, you take on the intelligence community, they have six ways from Sunday at getting back at you,”
So, I don't think this is a power grab; more like suppressing a mutiny...
Mao,
DeleteSo you are saying bin Laden was framed, too? Wait until the Trump fans who adore the IraqWar find out. LOL.
Trump's clinical diagnosis is irrelevant. His actions and words should disqualify him.
ReplyDeleteI find it refreshing to have president who speaks like a normal human being. I imagine most people do.
ReplyDeleteIn regards to the DNC emails, yeah, some say they think it's Russia, and others say they know it wasn't Russia. So, yeah, anything is possible.
And, by the way: where is the fucking server? What is the server saying?
Now, this, in my humble opinion, certainly makes more sense than the totality of shit produced by the establishment media in the last couple years. And, sadly, more sense than what Bob Somerby has produced here, recently.
And I would add that the identity of the whistleblower is far less important (if at all) than the content of the leak. The content, revealing incredible amount of corruption inside the D "party". The rest is just an attempt at coverup...
The server is up your ass, along with Little Donny Chickenshit's tax returns and Melania's immigration documents.
DeleteTrump’s ‘Missing DNC Server’ Is Neither Missing Nor a Server
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Fucking clown, come give us another show today. I'm still waiting for your explanation for what Putin was really proposing, when you told me I was wrong. Come on chickenshit, why you hiding?
Heh. Zombie media told you that the server is not a server, and being a good dembot you must now keep repeating it like a mantra. Great, I love the spectacle.
Delete"I'm still waiting for your explanation for what Putin was really proposing"
DeleteOh, so now I have to produce your zombie talking points for you? Like: what Mr Putin was REALLY proposing?
Why don't you try a transcript of the press conference. Or the dembots aren't allowed?
Mao. You see, in the real world where Affirmative Action for Wingnuts is not present, normal people have to prove their allegations. You said there is a server missing. Because the lying sack of shit Little Donny Chickenshit keeps repeating that lie. It is up to you to prove it now. Have a good day.
Delete"No, dumbfuck, you have to support your own position"
DeleteSo, I "have to support my position" that to find out what Putin was REALLY proposing you need to read a transcript of the press conference?
Anything else I have to do for you, dear dembot? Don't be shy, please.
Here, dembot:
Delete"The FBI requested direct access to the Democratic National Committee’s (DNC) hacked computer servers but was denied, Director James Comey told lawmakers on Tuesday.
The bureau made “multiple requests at different levels,” according to Comey, but ultimately struck an agreement with the DNC that a “highly respected private company” would get access and share what it found with investigators.
“We’d always prefer to have access hands-on ourselves if that’s possible,” Comey said, noting that he didn’t know why the DNC rebuffed the FBI’s request."
http://thehill.com/policy/national-security/313555-comey-fbi-did-request-access-to-hacked-dnc-servers
Did RawStory and Maddow forget to inform you?
That's "Saint James Comey" to Mao.
DeleteSo, I "have to support my position" that to find out what Putin was REALLY proposing you need to read a transcript of the press conference?
DeleteNo, you dishonest lying sack of shit. The position you are obliged to defend is the one you took yesterday when you objected to the clear unambiguous summary of the Putin proposal that your hero, Donny Dumbfuck, thought was a swell idea.
I realize you're mentally handicapped but it was only yesterday, surely you remember what you wrote yesterday. In fact, here let me show you.
Here's the shorthand summation of Vlad's proposal.
1.Have Russian government officials ask other Russian government officials if the Russian government told them to commit a crime.
Donny Dumbfuck thought that was a swell idea and complimented Vlad for suggesting it.
Here's what you said, Mao.
Yeah, except that's "in other words": phrased by your goebbelsian zombie media. Mao Cheng Ji July 17, 2018 at 11:29 AM
I then invited you to explain how you would interpret the neat idea Vlad had. At which point you ran away, you lying sack of shit coward.
Mao,
DeleteHere you go. It looks like even Little Donny Chickenshit agrees with the clear unambiguous summation of Vlad's extraordinarily generous proposal to investigate himself. Bwahahahahaha!!!!
So I have great confidence in my intelligence people, but I will tell you that president Putin was extremely strong and powerful in his denial today. And what he did is an incredible offer. He offered to have the people working on the case come and work with their investigators, with respect to the 12 people. I think that’s an incredible offer. Okay thank you.
Incredible offer. Just "incredible". What a guy that Putin is.
Well, once in awhile Bob manages to own up to Trump. Sinse this is supposed to be a blog about writers, however, it makes his Fox pass all the more notable. But, he seemed to throw Mao for enough of a loop he missed first place. Can you imagine hanging out with people that leave with the impression Trump sounds normal?
ReplyDelete"Can you imagine hanging out with people that leave with the impression Trump sounds normal?"
DeleteYeah, I know: you can't stand the smell.
I lick fish.
DeleteSmells like teen spirit.
DeleteBob Somerby, stuff your "our tribe" garbage, you are throroughly team Trump and team Fox News and all its lies, that you amplify all the time on your pathetic site. You've made your hatred and disdain for liberals and Democrats clear for years. Republican President Trump drips to his knees, unzips Putin's trousers, gags on dick. When he comes up for air , Trump sounds just like what Bob Somerby says. No collusion! Democrats are the REAL puppets!
ReplyDeleteWhat we saw yesterday was this sick spectacle of capitulation. A president of the United States kneeling to slob the knob of a vicious foreign dictator and enemy of our country. I hope Bob Somerby is happy, even though he's brushed aside what the liberals he hates have been saying for over a year. Along with foreign intelligence agencies in Britain and Holland and other allies. They know. They know it all. It's all true. Trump is Putin's slave, and it is imperiling the Western order.
We've been saying this loudly for over a year. The evidence and indictments mount every day, no one doubts Russian interference in the 2016 campaign, with massive help from Republicans and Trump's family members. This is on record, these are crimes being literally prosecuted right now. With much more to come.
Who does Bob Somerby blame? Liberals! Rachel Maddow! Liberals are to blame for the seriously thick heinous and catastrophic shit that's gone down between Russia and the Trump crime family. Shit that will wreck our Republic and our democracy. Bob Somerby has no opinion on that, he just has to critique Rachel Maddow to the bone as our President fellates Putin on TV. Bizarre! Bob Somerby is a traitor and a disgrace. He's team Fox News, Team Denial. Trump is Putin's slave. Putin took POTUS out on a leash for a laugh, and idiots like Somerby don't see what's happening in front of their goddamned faces.
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