THE CREDULOUS APE: Beverly Hills 30121!

WEDNESDAY, AUGUST 8, 2018

Part 3—Soap opera tackles the law:
Did Donald Trump Junior break the law through his now-famous Trump Tower meeting?

Tis a conclusion devoutly to be wished! On Monday evening's Last Word TV show, excitable host Lawrence O'Donnell told us credulous liberal viewers what we most want to hear:
LAWRENCE (8/6/18): The legal implications of the president's tweet are gravely threatening to the president's son. [Quoting recent Trump tweet:] "This was a meeting to get information on an opponent, totally legal and done all the time in politics." But it's not done all the time in politics, and it's totally, totally illegal, if it is a meeting with foreign citizens trying to help the Trump campaign.
The conduct in question wasn't simply illegal, Lawrence said. It was "totally, totally illegal."

From there, Lawrence proceeded to pretend that he knew what he was talking about:
LAWRENCE (continuing directly): Federal law makes it a crime for a foreign national to, quote, directly or indirectly help an American campaign with financial contributions or, quote, an other thing of value. Federal election law recognizes opposition research as, quote, a thing of value. Federal election law makes it a crime to, quote, solicit, accept or receive a thing of value to a campaign from foreign nationals.
Etcetera, and so forth and so on. Do additional penalties obtain if the conduct in question is very, very illegal?

Lawrence, who isn't a legal expert, didn't presume to say.

Was Lawrence right in what he said? We can't tell you that. We can tell you that another non-expert gad sounded off over on CNN just two hours earlier.

In this case, the non-expert was Gloria Borger. She was speaking with Anderson Cooper, who has become a clowning, sardonic propagandist in these years of Trump:
COOPER (8/6/18): Gloria, I mean the fact the president is now admitting, in very clear terms, that this was all about getting dirt on Hillary Clinton. How big a deal do you think that really is?

BORGER: ...There is a legal issue here. If this dirt or so-called dirt on Hillary Clinton was exchanged, it's illegal from a foreign country.
Does Borger know what she's talking about? We know of no reason to assume that she does, but she spoke with total conviction.

Meanwhile, for whatever it's worth, Borger's proclamation differed from that offered by Lawrence:

Lawrence decried the high illegality of "getting information" from a foreign national. Using a pleasing term of choice, Borger said it's illegal to receive "dirt" from a foreign country.

Those are very different claims. But as a general matter, such differences are close enough for cable news work—and each non-expert spoke with great certainty about his or her pleasing view.

Cooper, meanwhile, was clowning badly, as he now does every night. In the passage posted above, you see him saying that Donald Trump Senior is "now admiting" that the infamous meeting "was all about getting dirt on Hillary Clinton."

Throughout the evening's discussion, Cooper treated this as an exciting change of position on the part of Trump Senior. The problem is, Cooper had already played tape of Trump Senior making the same "admission" in July 2017, more than a year ago:
COOPER: So, now, soliciting government intelligence from a hostile foreign power to get elected president isn't a crime [according to Trump], which keeping them honest is far from clear. But it's the whole framing of it as a hypothetical that's really interesting, because the president actually flirted with admitting this meeting was about getting dirt on Hillary Clinton when the story first broke last year.

Listen to him on the 13th of July last year, standing next to the president of France...

TRUMP (videotape): I do think this. I think from a practical standpoint, most people would have taken that meeting. It's called opposition research, or even research into your opponent. Politics is not the nicest business in the world, but it's very standard where they have information and you take the information.
Duh. These was Trump, in July 2017, "admitting" that the meeting was designed to get information about Hillary Clinton.

But so what? This is cable news. Cooper played last weekend's tweet as a flip on Trump Senior's part all through Monday's discussion. On cable news, the gullible viewer is asked to ignore such glaring contradictions.

Beyond that, note what Cooper said about the legality of the infamous meeting:

According to Cooper, the legal issue involves the question of soliciting information from a hostile foreign power. For the record, Cooper didn't say that such behavior actually is a crime. To his credit, he merely said it "isn't clear" that it isn't a crime.

So it goes on the teen drama shows which pose as "cable news." According to Lawrence, Gloria and Anderson, it either is, or it may be, a crime to receive or solicit information from a foreign national—or possibly from a foreign nation, or from a hostile foreign power.

Lawrence and Gloria said it is a crime to do such a thing; Anderson said it may be. Meanwhile, there's no obvious reason to assume that any of them know what they're talking about. Knowing what you're talking about stopped being part of our national discourse long ago, except for the Hard Pundit Law which holds that you must know prevailing scripts.

Judged by traditional norms, the boys and girls of cable news behaved rather badly this night. Judged by contemporary corporate norms, they were serving the corporate goal; they were feeding their loyal viewers the tribal porridge they like.

Can we talk? The cable stars to whom we've referred were players this night in an exciting new scripted teen drama, "Beverly Hills 30121." That's the number of the federal statute which they were clownishly, perhaps fraudulently, pretending to understand.

What does the statute in question actually say? What does it say about the legality of receiving information, dirt or so-called dirt on a political opponent from a hostile foreign power, or perhaps just from a foreign citizen?

Dies the statute say that such behavior is "very, very illegal?" Does it say that such behavior would be illegal at all? Just for the record, here's what happened when Brian Williams inquired about that provision of federal law on that very same brain-damaged cable news night. He was speaking with Joyce Vance, an actual legal analyst:
WILLIAMS (8/6/18): Let me ask you question about 52 U.S. Code 30121, which you, I have no doubt, have committed to memory years ago.

VANCE: I've read it a time or two, yes.

WILLIAMS: Yes, I figured. "It shall be unlawful for a foreign national directly or indirectly to make a contribution or donation of money or other thing of value"—we`ll come back to those words—"or to make an express or implied promise to make a contribution or donation in connection with a federal, state, or local election."

Joyce, my question to you...has this notion been litigated? Do we know that advice on your opponent from Russians could be construed in federal court as "a thing of value?"

VANCE: It's an interesting question. And under this statute, where there's been relatively little litigation, not a lot of a case law, certainly people will have different opinions.
Say what? Did Vance actually say those things? Right there on cable news?

Unlike Lawrence, Vance is presented by MSNBC as a legal expert. In response to a very sound question from Brian, she said the statute in question—U.S. Code 30121—has led to relatively little litigation. There isn't a lot of case law.

As a result, "people have different opinions" about the legal question involved in the Trump Tower meeting, she said. One hour earlier, on the same channel, Lawrence—loudly blustering, as he's paid to do—said something very, very different.

This past Monday evening, cable presented a new spin-off drama—Beverly Hills 30121. The original program was silly enough.
The dumbness of the exciting new spin-off threatens life all over the planet.

Night after night, our cable stars behave like upper-class gossiping high school kids. According to a range of zoologists, if you're swallowing what you see on these programs, there's a substantial chance that you're the "credulous ape!"

Tomorrow: Let's take a look at the text!

48 comments:

  1. Vance said "certainly people will have different opinions" which Somerby spun into "people have different opinions" and used to beat up the MSNBC pundits who had a different opinion than who? Republicans of course. Those defending Trump. Of course they will have differing opinions on the legality of some illegal thing the Trumps have done.

    The statute goes to lengths to define who may contribute, to the point of talking about various immigrant statuses compared to foreign citizenship. That's because people who come here to live permanently are understandably eager to participate in democratic elections. So that matter has come up before. We haven't had our election hacked by a foreign power before, so that issue hasn't been litigated. Obviously. But that doesn't excuse what the Trumps did. No matter how Somerby tries to confuse the issue by pretending that use of different words by different people (foreign national, foreign nation, enemy nation) somehow means something different about interference in the 2016 election. The facts of what happened are the same regardless of how they are discussed extemporaneously by cable pundits and what Russia did was illegal, as was collusion with them by Trump, his son and members of his campaign. The remaining question is why Somerby is working so hard to muddy the waters about their guilt. How much he is being paid and whether he is an actual conservative or a Bernie bro trying to hasten the revolution (we might call them fellow travelers of the alt-right).

    In other news, Bernie Sanders backed the losing candidate again in Michigan. Not surprising he would put himself on the line AGAINST the female Democratic candidate for governor, the woman whose main achievement is extending Medicare in her state. How many times do voters have to reject Bernie's platform before he gets the idea that people don't support him and he is playing the spoiler in Democratic politics? Once again he demonstrates that he has no coattails and neither does Ocasio-Cortez, despite winning her first race ever.

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    1. The statute may go “to lengths” to define who may contribute, but it doesn’t go to much length to define what they may contribute. 52USC30121 prohibits foreign nationals from making “a contribution or donation of money or other thing of value … in connection with a[n] election.” (Emphasis mine.)

      The legality of Trump’s collusion will turn on the italicized phrase above. Just to be clear, here’s a partial list of thing that won’t effect that legality:

      1. the various phrasings of labels for foreign nationals,
      2. whether we’ve had an election hacked before,
      3. whether Trump is without ethical excuse for his actions,
      4. whether Russians violated other provisions of US election law
      5. what Republicans and other traitors think about it
      6. whether TDH is a crypto-conservative or a Bernie-bro or not

      Two things will determine the legality of the meeting:

      1. Case law and precedent. Namely, what have courts held to be a “thing of value.”
      2. Legal construction.

      Joyce Vance, a lawyer and former USA, says there’s not much of the first thing. That alone should make people cautious about absolute declarations on the matter.

      We can make an educated guess on the matter using the second thing. When courts are confronted with a list of prohibitions that start with specific things and end with a generality, they usually hold that the general phrases must be of the same type as the specific thing. This is known as the legal term of art eiusdem generis or “things of the same type.”

      So here we have a specific prohibition, giving money, followed by a general prohibition, giving a thing of value. Lots of things have value — moral support, prestige, endorsement. and in this case, information. But under eiusdem generis this other thing must be of the same type as money, something you can trade for goods and services or something easily convertible to or from such. Shares of stock? Sure. A pallet of printer cartridges? Sure. Airline tickets? Sure.

      Information? Not so sure.

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    2. This is all well and good except campaigns pay a lot of money for opposition research.

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    3. Well, they do. And they have contracts that obligate them to pay for time and expenses, which is how we know that kind of work is a thing of value. That's not what the Trumpsters were doing. They expected to be offered information damaging to Clinton, but claimed to have received none. Being the dolt that he is, Don Jr, called the meeting opposition research. and everybody involved proceeded to act as guilty as hell.

      Was the meeting illegal in and of itself? Would it be illegal if a Trumpster solicited information? Would it be illegal if no information changed hands? If information did change hands?

      The answer to all of these questions could be yes, and I wouldn’t mind seeing everyone involved spend time in a federal sneezer for their part. But I don’t think the answer is clear.

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    4. Note the key word -- claimed. But they obviously received hacked info on Wikileaks.

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  2. Why malign a TV show that has nothing whatsoever to do with this topic?

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  3. "According to a range of zoologists, if you're swallowing what you see on these programs, there's a substantial chance that you're the "credulous ape!"

    Somerby is being cute, of course, but there are no zoologists who consider humans any kind of ape. We are primates and in the same family as the "great apes" as someone pointed out, but we are not apes ourselves and did not descend from any of the other primates but from a common ancestor further back (who was not an ape). Calling us a credulous ape is just a slur. Namecalling doesn't win arguments -- it just annoys people and makes them angry.

    I repeat my previous theory that Somerby is engaged in an experiment to see what kinds of things he can say about his readers that will drive away his audience. Unfortunately, he is just attracting a different kind of audience -- the people who like to see him malign liberals. Who are they? Trolls and conservatives (and of course, conservative trolls). Why is Somerby doing this? Maybe for Russian money. Maybe out of pique, as someone suggested a few days ago. Whatever the reason, it is clear Somerby is no liberal, that he dislikes liberals, and that he has no interest in stopping Trump's devastation of our country. If we wind up in the same dire straits as Nazi Germany, Somerby will be part of the reason. He probably won't care.

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    1. Let’s go to wikipedia for a useful explanation:

      <quote>
      Thus, there are at least three common, or traditional, uses of the term "ape": non-specialists may not distinguish between "monkeys" and "apes", that is, they may use the two terms interchangeably; or they may use "ape" for any tailless monkey or non-human hominoid; or they may use the term "ape" to just mean the non-human hominoids.
      </quote>

      It should be clear that TDH (a “non-specialist”) is exploiting the different uses of the word ape for rhetorical purposes.

      What about specialists? Wikipedia continues

      <quote>
      Some scientists now use the term "ape" to mean all members of the superfamily Hominoidea, including humans.
      </quote>

      Now, statements from wikipedia by themselves aren’t necessarily dispositive. But the nice thing about wikipedia is its sourcing. So you can check the sources for the above statement to find that some scientists who study phylogenetic classification include humans as apes.

      So, not only is it missing the point to complain that no zoologists consider humans apes, it’s also just plain wrong.

      Not ridiculous like your speculation that TDH is taking Russian money because you don’t like what he writes. Just inapt and wrong.

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    2. Written like the upright ape that you are.

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    3. Wikipedia gives you a choice of meanings and you choose the one that fits your motives. Bob is making choices too, about what and how to write about things. What are his motives? If you are asking yourself that, you aren't doing critical thinking. Money is one of many possible motives. Some people advance the interests of mother Russia out of love of country, something Trump doesn't seem to feel. Why would Somerby support Trump and by extension, Russian interests? You tell me.

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    4. Sorry, typo again, should be "If you aren't asking yourself that, you aren't doing critical thinking."

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    5. No, that’s not a typo. What’s that other thing?

      Oh, yeah. A Freudian slip.

      Critical thinking requires that you consider evidence. And you have none for TDH’s motives, nor any reasonable way to get any.

      Critical thinking requires that you consider your own biases. You don’t like Bob, as you’re fond of calling him.

      Critical thinking requires that you weigh the difficulty of making judgments. Sometimes people aren’t even aware of their own motives, yet you’re willing to opine on “Bob’s.”

      But more important than all that — at least for me — is whether TDH is right or not. Is it a good idea for media types to state without either expertise or equivocation that the meeting at Trump Tower was illegal? Since the question of legality is an open one, I’d say the answer is no.

      I think that answer is independent of whether “Bob” is on the take or what Republicans and other traitors think.

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    6. All behavior is motivated. That fact permits me to speculate about Somerby's motives. It doesn't matter much whether Somerby is supporting Trump for conscious or unconscious motives.

      TDH is not right. We can know this because Trump has access to the best lawyers yet he has been lying, evading questions and generally behaving like a guilty man. Hard to believe Trump, of all people, would behave that way if he didn't believe he had legal exposure.

      When did pundits, analysts and commentators become reporters? It is their job to interpret and speculate. It is Somerby who is trying to convince us they are spreading fake news.

      Somerby isn't stupid, so why is he doing this?

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    7. The latest common ancestor of humans and chimps was indeed an ape.

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    8. Don't you get it? Somerby is setting us up. Tomorrow he will argue that Roseanne Barr was just calling Valerie Jarrett a hominid when she called her an ape. No harm in that, right?

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    9. No, not all behavior is motivated. Some actions are reflexive; some are involuntary; some are conditioned.

      So you don’t actually have a “fact’ that permits you to speculate. Fortunately for you, you don’t need one. No one can stop you from speculating. But it’s pointless since all you’ve got and all you’ll ever have is … speculation.

      TDH has pointed out a fact: the legality of the Trump Tower meeting is unclear. I don’t see how that “supports” Trump. Trump claims the meeting is clearly legal.

      TDH is not right about what? Trump does not have access to the best lawyers. The best lawyers in Washington will have nothing to do with him. That’s why he has the worst — Giuliani, Cohen. I don’t believe that Trump is smart enough to know whether he has legal exposure, but he’s acting guilty because he’s been caught doing something reprehensible, legal or not.

      Speculation doesn’t include making false statements. No one is really sure if the Trump Tower meeting was illegal, and it won’t do to claim otherwise. If you don’t want to be accused of spreading fake news, then stop claiming you know things you can’t possibly.

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    10. The legality of the meeting is clear to Trump. That's why he lied about it.

      When you speculate about several possibilities, at least some will be false. Your insistence that pundits only talk about certainties is ridiculous.

      Do you think everything Stephen Hawking has written is true? Should he have never written?

      Now you are being silly.

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    11. I’m glad you know what’s clear to Trump. I’m not sure anything is clear to him.

      But even if he’s clear in his own mind that he broke the law, what he thinks doesn’t matter. Courts will decide whether he broke the law.

      Stephen Hawking was the foremost expert in his field at the time he wrote. And as far as I know, he labeled his speculations as such, and distinguished them from what he could demonstrate. O’Donnell should be as careful, especially as he’s no expert in the law.

      I’m not insisting that pundits only talk about certainties. That’s just something you made up for motives that I won’t speculate on. I’m saying (along with TDH) that pundits should not talk with certainty about topics they know little about and especially when they’re wrong.

      I know that I may look silly. That’s a risk I take when I argue with fools. Eventually people can’t tell the difference.

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    12. @deadrat:
      It must be nice to live in your world, where others are fools, obviously beneath your intellect. You exude that squalor that Somerby talks about, that air of superiority that makes The Others hate "liberals". And you are dead wrong: Somerby doesn't say the legality of the Trump Tower meeting is unclear...he posits that it was just an exchange of information, which no sane person could possibly think was illegal. He gives no credence to the opposite view.

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    13. Well, when the president does it, that means it is not illegal.

      https://www.theguardian.com/theguardian/2007/sep/07/greatinterviews1

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    14. Anonymous on August 9, 2018 at 3:06 AM,

      First of all, this isn’t my “world.” It’s a blog’s commentariat, which happens to be populated by many fools. You can establish that fact to your satisfaction just by looking around, particularly if there’s a mirror nearby.

      TDH doesn’t actually say that the legality of the Trump Tower meeting is unclear. He quotes Lawrence O’Donnell, who says that the meeting was “very, very illegal” and then asks “Was Lawrence right in what he said? We can’t tell you that” (Emphasis mine.) TDH notes that Lawrence is no legal expert and quotes a former USA, who presumably is and who says that there’s not enough case law to say one way or another.

      TDH never ‘posits” that it was “just an exchange of information.” He quotes Gloria Bolger saying it was an exchange. And Bolger is wrong. No information was “exchanged.” The charge is that information was given to the Trumpsters by the Russians. Which, of course, is the whole point of discussing 52USC30121, which is about contributions and donations.

      TDH doesn’t say that no sane person could possibly think the meeting was illegal. You’re the only person using the word sane. TDH doesn’t withhold credence from the view that the meeting was illegal. He clearly says he doesn’t know whether it was or not. But he does want to know why we should believe ignorant partisans over an expert on the law.

      I’ve lost track of the number of errors you’ve packed into one paragraph.

      If you don’t believe my characterization of the blog entry, you can scroll up and check for yourself.

      A former USA said the issue of legality is unclear because of the dearth of case law. If you don’t believe her, you can check court records for yourself.

      I’ve given an explanation of why a court might not consider information to be a thing of value under 52USC20121. If you don’t believe me, you can read up on the interpretation of law.

      And if you don’t want to be considered a fool, stop acting the part.

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  4. "According to a range of zoologists, if you're swallowing what you see on these programs, there's a substantial chance that you're the "credulous ape!""

    Not apes, you're a bunch of zombies.

    And quite a rotten bunch of zombies, as y'all turned in the morning of 11/9/2016 - a long time ago...

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  5. The term "gossip" as used by anthropologists and Harari does not have the negative connotation added by the Catholic church of "maliciousness and intent to harm, detraction". It only refers to talking about other people, as used by social scientists. The Catholic Church considers talking about others without detraction or divulging secrets to be harmless unless it is wasting time, but Somerby may have missed that part of the teachings.

    Somerby's reaction to Harari's statements about the importance of gossip to early man (homo sapiens) is no doubt strongly influenced by the Catholic teachings about sins of the tongue, which are mortal sins casting one's soul into hell (lacking absolution), according to the Catechism, 2475-2487.

    Somerby's use of the term "gossip" in his postings is tinged with hints of untruth, another Catholic addition to the definition. He applies the word to statements he considers unproven, as above when he talks about Lawrence's lack of knowledge about whether there is illegality going on in the Trump Towers meeting. He has added a tone of immorality and judgment that has nothing to do with the social science meaning, but then he keeps referring to anthropologists as if to ridicule or blame them for excusing today's gossip. Switching back and forth between meanings never intended by researchers and those of his own understanding, tainted in youth by Catholic upbringing. Once a Catholic, always a Catholic.

    It is annoying that Somerby conflates these distinct meanings of the word gossip. I would be nice if he would stop it, since he is both distorting and recruiting support from anthropologists on false pretenses.

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    1. typo correction -- It would be nice...

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  6. Actually between the cutsy poo smirking and over the top stuff, people like Vance weigh in. So bad is admitting MSNBC has serious people who, at least sometimes, set the record straight.

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  7. The problem is, Cooper had already played tape of Trump Senior making the same "admission" in July 2017, more than a year ago

    It wasn't just Cooper who treated this old news as if it were new news. The conservative PowerLine site pointed out:

    On Sunday, I exposed as “fake news” a New York Times article touting President Trump’s “admission” that the purpose of his son’s meeting with a Russian lawyer was to obtain negative information about Hillary Clinton. In fact, Trump’s statement wasn’t news at all. He said the same thing more than a year ago.

    Moreover, the Times, misstated Trump’s “admission.” It characterized his statement as an admission that the meeting “focused” on Clinton dirt. This enabled the Times to claim that Trump was contradicting previous statements by his team that the focus was on adoptions of Russian babies.

    The Times thus knowingly conflated the meeting’s purpose with its focus. The purpose, for Team Trump, was to come up with dirt. The focus — what was discussed at the meeting — was different by all accounts because the Russian lawyer talked about adoptions, not Hillary.

    When I wrote my post, I didn’t realize, but should have suspected, that the New York Times’ fake news story was only the tip of the mainstream media iceberg. Nearly every major anti-Trump media outlet — which is to say nearly every major media outlet — was pushing the same false line.

    In addition to the Times, the dishonor role includes, inevitably, the Washington Post, the Associated Press, the BBC, CNBC, and CNN’s Chris Cillizza. It also includes The Atlantic’s David Frum, who must have known better. It would be difficult to find a mainstream media outlet that wasn’t part of the herd.
    https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2018/08/how-the-media-embraced-en-masse-fake-news-about-trump-tower-meeting.php

    P.S. Note that Bob Somerby pointed out the same media error as a right wing web site did. I think this shows that both sites are intelligent and committed to the truth. What do you think it shows?

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    1. Didn't you used to come here to ask, "What conspiracy for treason?"
      Good times!

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    2. It might show that Somerby reads powerline and uses their stories without attribution. If he were a journalist, that would be plagiarism. Good thing he isn't. Or it could be that they both got the same daily talking points (more likely).

      You can call a report fake news or you can call it old news, either way your goal is to minimize it.

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    3. How Can I Miss You When You Wont Go AwayAugust 9, 2018 at 12:18 AM

      "What do you think it shows?"

      Even a blind pig can find an acorn once in awhile.

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    4. Poor poor David in Cal, the treasonous bastard lying sack of shit.

      Destined for all eternity to wander the sunny beaches of California in that socialist oppressive state he has chosen to live his cushy retirement in, carrying the heavy goal post on his old and warped shoulders wondering when he will be ever able to put it down.

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    5. It shows that Washington Post, New York Times, AP, BBC, CNBC, and CNN have created an reason to be accurately criticized by Powerline and media sources from the right, including many that are highly propagandistic and disingenuous, which diminishes these media outlet's authority, hurts progressive interests and which is why they deserve criticism of the sort offered here.

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    6. Congratulations of the word salad, Chef Prick.

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    7. What are you saying, Prick? That President Chickenshit had already confessed to his campaign collusion with the Russian State, that gas station they call a country?

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    8. I am saying Cooper wrongly presented Trump's admission it was oppo research as a new admission which was false and left him open to accurate criticism from some propagandistic right wing media outlets, an act that deserves criticism.

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    9. Sorry, Prick, I just can't quite feature why this is such an example of malpractice on the part of CNN and Anderson Cooper.

      Let me see if I have this straight.
      Over a year ago, in a very casual non-legal forum, president chickenshit, suggested vaguely that yes indeed his campaign did "conspire" with the Russian Government to help his campaign. And this was reported by the media at the time.

      Now, a year later, after daily bullshit coming from the president Chickenshit that there was "no collusion", he makes a more definite admission. And the media reported that as well.

      For this, we, us liberals, should be shaking and trembling with fear about how the wingnut propaganda media outlets are going to play it? Is that right? I want to get this down for posterity, cause no one in the future would actually believe it. You mean folks like Sean Hannity and Brit Hume who are now saying with a straight face that there's nothing wrong with colluding with a corrupt dictatorial Russian government.

      Yes, please give Anderson Cooper a hair shirt and tell him he should self-flagellate for at least month or until Sean Hannity tells him he can stop.

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    10. No I'm not saying all those things lol.

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