THE CREDULOUS APE: Did Trump Junior commit a crime?

FRIDAY, AUGUST 10, 2018

Part 5—They sought information:
Did Donald Trump Junior commit a crime in connection with that now-famous meeting?

Based upon what little we know, it seems to us he didn't. That said, we know very little about relevant law, and there's a good reason for that:

Why don't we know more about relevant law? It's because we read the New York Times and watch "cable news!"

Major news orgs have made little attempt to analyze that basic question, which is widely gossiped about. Any such attempt would involve information, and contemporary journalistic culture is highly "information averse."

It seems to us that Donald Trump Junior probably didn't commit a crime. Nor are we willing to be shocked, shocked by the fact that he sought information about his father's opponent.

It seems to us that he didn't commit a crime. Below, we'll visit Rohrschach Test 30121 to tell you why we say that.

First, though, let's answer a different question. Should the behavior of Donald Trump Junior be forbidden by U. S. law?

To us, it isn't clear that the answer is yes even here. In part, that's because we're at least dimly aware of what "information" is.

Let's start today with our basic question: Did Junior commit a crime? When journalists pretend to discuss that question, they usually seem to refer to "52 U.S. Code 30121," the provision of federal law to which Brian Williams explicitly referred Monday night.

Yesterday, we did the forbidden—we actually showed you the actual text of that actual statute. Admit it—you'd never seen that language before.

Our "journalists" rarely engage in such conduct. This is the relevant text:
52 U.S. Code § 30121—Contributions and donations by foreign nationals

(a) PROHIBITION It shall be unlawful for—

(1) a foreign national, directly or indirectly, to make—

(A) a contribution or donation of money or other thing of value, or to make an express or implied promise to make a contribution or donation, in connection with a Federal, State, or local election;

(B) a contribution or donation to a committee of a political party; or

(C) an expenditure, independent expenditure, or disbursement for an electioneering communication (within the meaning of section 30104(f)(3) of this title); or

(2) a person to solicit, accept, or receive a contribution or donation described in subparagraph (A) or (B) of paragraph (1) from a foreign national.
As this key inkblot continues, it defines the term "foreign national." Basically, the term seems to include citizens of foreign countries; governments of foreign countries; and foreign political parties. No such critters can make the types of "contributions and donations" described in 30121.

(Please note: These provisions of federal law draw no distinction between hostile and friendly foreign governments. When cable stars insert colorful language about hostile powers into their feigned explanations, they're scripting the thrilling TV show, Beverly Hills 30121. They do this to excite tribal viewers.)

When Trump Junior conducted that meeting, he was meeting with a "foreign national"—the Russkie lawyer. Did she make or offer a "contribution or donation" under terms of that federal law?

On its face, Inkblot 30121 expressly forbade the Russkie lawyer from handing Trump Junior a big sack of cash—but no one suggests that she did that. When cable stars tell you that Trump Junior broke the law, that isn't what they're suggesting.

When cable stars make that claim, they're saying or suggesting that information—in this case, typically referred to as "dirt"—is in fact a "thing of value" under terms of Inkblot 30121. This account of the unquoted federal law advances our tribal pleasure. For this reason, the unquoted 30121 is constantly interpreted like that.

How childish can the paraphrasing get? It gets so bad that the New York Times has twice—two times!—published this pitiful claim:
"It is illegal for a campaign to accept help from a foreign individual or government."
It's illegal to accept "help" from a foreign individual! That version of 52 U.S. Code 30121 is written on second-grade level. In such ways, our journalists construct easy-readers.

The Times created a silly paraphrase of relevant federal law. They quote no language; they link to no text. But by and large, the Times' credulous readers will swallow this childish account.

Does 52 U.S. Code 30121 say that a campaign can't accept information from a foreign individual or from a foreign government? On its face, no, it doesn't say that—and in at least one basic way, that seems to be good for our tribe.

Christopher Steele is a foreign individual! So, presumably, were his Russian sources. If it's against the law to accept help from a foreign individual, that could almost seem to mean that principals of the Clinton campaign would be on their way "to the clink," to borrow Gail Collins' language.

"But but but," the tribe will sputter. "But that's totally different!"

Within the past week, we've finally seen a first attempt to explain why the Clinton campaign was in the right in this enterprise, while the Trump campaign was in the wrong. Watching the stars of cable news, you'll never have your time wasted in this manner. Cable exists to tell you stories, full stop—to tell you the stories you like.

The stars of cable don't waste our time with information or analysis. They mug and clown and let us enjoy the moments we get to share with our very best "cable news" friends.

As you probably know, the anti-Trump story-line goes like this. The information the Russkie lawyer conveyed, or tried to convey, was a "thing of value" under terms of 30121.

In theory, it cost someone money to assemble the information. The most aggressive cable apes will even note that it cost money for the Russkie lawyer to fly to New York!

That means that she was conveying "a thing of value," these gods of narrative cry. At the Times, they'll dumb it down to the point where she was supplying "help."

For ourselves, we'll only say this:

On its face, we don't think the inkblot in question is talking about information. It clearly forbids a foreign national from donating money to a campaign. Under the term "thing of value," it would presumably forbid a foreign national from donating a brand new 767 for a candidate's use. Or a big fleet of cars and vans!

Does it also mean that a foreign national can't telephone a candidate and "donate" information? It starts to take a bit of a stretch to believe that's what 30121 forbids—and under basic principles of fairness, you aren't supposed to go around stretching laws just so you can find a way to throw Certain People in jail:
"The rule of lenity (also called the rule of strict construction) is a principle of criminal statutory interpretation that requires a court to apply any unclear or ambiguous law in the manner most favorable to the defendant. It has a long history in the law..."
Does 30121 really mean that a Canadian citizen can't telephone a candidate with accurate information about his or her opponent? Is that what that federal law says?

We're going to call that a bit of a stretch. That said, should new laws be passed to make some such prohibition explicit?

Very possibly, yes! But even there, we're running right into our failing culture's curious "information aversion."

Imagine the shoe on the other foot. Imagine that someone "with ties to" the Canadian government telephoned the Clinton campaign with accurate information about some act of vast misconduct by Candidate Donald J. Trump. Under terms of 30121, does anyone think that the Clinton campaign would have to slam down the phone, pretending they hadn't heard?

(If the Russkie lawyer had written an op-ed column, would we have been required to ignore what she said? If she had rented the National Press Club to give a speech, would we have had to hold our hands over our ears, going "la la la la la la la" until she stopped making her claims? This is the road we're starting down when we start banning information—though we'll grant you, information barely exists within our discourse as it is.)

Alas! Our modern journalistic discourse largely turns on gossip and narrative. With something approaching ubiquity, our discourse very rarely turns on information and facts. This is true in major policy areas. It's also true when the gossiping apes of the corporate press pretend to discuss our campaigns.

("Al Gore said he invented the Internet" was an invented "group fiction." People are dead all over the world because our mainstream corporate gossips adopted the claim as one of their favorites and pimped it about for two years.)

Presumably, you don't want governments—Canadian or Russian—conducting "opposition research" on American political candidates. The Congress might want to pass laws forbidding receipt of such information from such sources.

Even there, we're putting ourselves in the slightly odd position of rejecting information. In terms of foreign citizens, some wealthy Canadian can't give Candidate X a jet. But why shouldn't he be able to give him or her an accurate fact?

In the case of the famous meeting, a British music promoter called Trump Junior and said he had a Russkie lawyer with some negative information about Hillary Clinton. (For the record, the news orgs which are outraged about this had been inventing and peddling "dirt" about Clinton for twenty-four years at that point.)

According to the standard account of what occurred at that meeting, the negative information turned out to be a dud within the American context. (Putin rattled the same useless claims in the public session in Helsinki.)

According to the standard account, the information was judged to be useless. But is that sort of thing what Congress meant when it passed 30121? When Congress forbade a foreign national from making "a contribution or donation of a thing of value," did it mean that a foreign citizen couldn't "donate information" or "donate some accurate fact?"

That strikes us as a serious stretch, but our tribe is happy to go there. Our haplessness over the past thirty years has left us in a very bad place. Today, we're willing to avoid serious analysis when our corporate TV stars fill us with dreams about throwing The Others in jail.

Final question:

What federal law did Trump Junior break? Even after all this time, do we really know? Do we have any idea? What does this say about the quality of our own tribal discourse?

We're lazy and useless and nobody likes us. These basic facts remain unknown Over Here.

Steele yes, Russkie lawyer no: We agree! It was perfectly OK for the Clinton campaign to seek information from Christopher Steele and from his Russkie sources.

It still isn't clear if the claims in Steele's dossier were accurate. But there was nothing wrong with soliciting and receiving this alleged information.

Under terms of American law, what makes receipt of Steele's information OK, while receipt of the Russkie lawyer's information constitutes the type of crime we yammer about every night? According to this recent analysis by the Washington Post's Philip Bump, Steele's information was OK because he was paid to compile it!

This almost seems to mean that Trump Tower meeting would have been OK if they'd simply paid the Russkie lawyer. Is that what 30121 says or means? Can anyone really believe that?

Please note:

Bump quotes only two legal experts; each agrees with the tribal position. Bob Bauer is a long-time Democratic Party insider. Note the way he searches about for ways to charge the Trump Tower participants, rather than quoting any clear, explicit legal prohibitions.

"Lock her up," Trump's tinpot said. Our own utterly hapless tribe is now drawn in the same direction.

"People, no fair," we ardently cry. They sought information!

52 comments:

  1. "Should the behavior of Donald Trump Junior be forbidden by U. S. law?"

    But of course it should be, Bob. Everything should be forbidden, so that everyone can be prosecuted. So that everyone who annoys the establishment actually is prosecuted.

    It's that simple. And looking at all those people in the news making deals with the feds because they were caught 'lying to the FBI', it seems that the system is already operating that way...

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    1. Donald Trump Jr. and Sr. allowed a foreign national, representing the Russian government, to meddle in our election. That is already illegal and it should remain illegal.

      The larger question is whether trolling should be legal. Much as I dislike trolls, I am willing to support their right to post garbage and annoy people. If we were truly making everything illegal, we would start by outlawing trolling.

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    2. 1:29,
      Who do you think you're fooling? You only think money laundering and treason should be illegal, because of your TDS.

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    3. Trump is a liar and a cunt and Putin's saddlebag. Still, he's better than Clinton. She was simply evil. Think of all the dead children in Libya and Iraq.

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    4. "allowed a foreign national"

      Yeah, a foreign national is a terrible, terrible creature.

      I just love it how dembots oscillate between demanding open borders and extreme xenophobia.

      Tell me about the horrible crime of detaining foreign nationals illegal border crossers...

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    5. 2:28,
      You finally figured out that "Corrupt, corrupt Hillary" wasn't "corrupt" at all.
      Again, Conservatives spend 35+ years denying Liberal beliefs, before repeating them. I'm looking forward to the year 2036, when Conservatives start pointing out how "everyone knows global warming is real."

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    6. Bob would be right but for one important distinction.

      What you've got going here is Trump Jr. possibly conspiring with a foreign source -- even possibly a governmental one -- that had illegally broken into a private database and server. Of a certain big government employee: Hillary Clinton.

      That's much different than just getting some derogatory political info from a foreigner.

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    7. "possibly conspiring with a foreign source -- even possibly a governmental one -- that had illegally broken into a private database and server"

      Oh dear. Zombie "brain burps" are so entertaining.

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    8. 3:24,
      Yes. This all pales in comparison to Trump's deep, deep love for the Establishment Elites.

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  2. Somerby focuses on the information provided -- wouldn't we want people to know?

    The law is about interference and meddling in a US election. We don't want foreigners to meddle and attempt to influence the outcome of our elections.

    Why does Somerby never mention this? It doesn't support his idea that Trump Jr. is innocent.

    If Hillary were approached by a Canadian meddler, she would report it to the FBI, just as Trump Jr. should have done.

    "a contribution or donation of money or other thing of value, or to make an express or implied promise to make a contribution or donation, in connection with a Federal, State, or local election;"

    This all hinges on the meaning of "other thing of value" which has been interpreted to extend to in-kind donations. That is explicitly stated in the FEC guidelines to campaigns. Somerby considers only the disembodied information content without considering the effort to collect that information, the research activity. He talks about airplane travel, but not man hours and expertise. So, this hinges on whether you use the broad term information to describe what the Russians were offering, or the specific term opposition research.

    As it turns out, the Russian information about Browder giving Hillary $400 million is factually incorrect, a lie. That makes it disinformation. When everyone says that nothing came of the meeting, it may be that Trump's team investigated further and found out they were being hoodwinked. If the donation is useless, is it still a donation? Somerby doesn't consider that question.

    How about the intent to seek and use information provided by the Russians? Is that legal? Trump Jr. didn't know what the "information" was when he agreed to the meeting, enthusiastically. Many have said he shouldn't have done that in the first place, that this was his crime. In that case, it doesn't matter what the Russians were going to give him, since by attending he was soliciting something of value (or he and the Trump staff wouldn't have taken the meeting).

    But I just have to ask again. Why is Somerby predisposed to regard Trump Jr. as innocent? Before he ever starts splitting legal hairs and trying to find innocence in the statutes, Somerby wants him to be unjustly accused. He claims the cable stars have not analyzed anything for us, but that too is wrong. They have analyzed this extensively, calling in lots of experts to opine, but they have reached conclusions Somerby rejects, so Somerby claims they haven't done their job. That's utter nonsense.

    Somerby quotes favorably articles by right-wing authors. He argues strenuously for the innocence of Trump's disgusting children. He endlessly maligns liberal pundits and liberals. What kind of liberal does that? No kind of liberal. Somerby is a conservative who is trying to pretend to be liberal in order to sway unsuspecting votes toward Trump (via Bernie). That makes him the enemy (even if he doesn't think Russia is our enemy), and not someone who should by lying to people here, every day, about his bona fides. He may have been a liberal in the past but now he is just an old poop, like David in CA.

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    1. All those Dylan quotes are probably not because Somerby likes Dylan but to establish the idea that Somerby is a liberal. Only liberals like Dylan, right?

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    2. Let's step back a second and review the invitation to poor little innocent Donny Jr.

      ************
      Good morning

      Emin just called and asked me to contact you with something very interesting.

      The Crown prosecutor of Russia met with his father Aras this morning and in their meeting offered to provide the Trump campaign with some official documents and information that would incriminate Hillary and her dealings with Russia and would be very useful to your father.

      This is obviously very high level and sensitive information but is part of Russia and its government's support for Mr. Trumpelped along by Aras and Emin.

      What do you think is the best way to handle this information and would you be able to speak to Emin about it directly?

      I can also send this info to your father via Rhona, but it is ultra sensitive so wanted to send to you first.
      **************

      "part of Russia and its government's support for Mr. Trump"

      part of
      part of
      part of
      part of

      Gee, I wonder what he meant by that? Didn't seem to confuse poor little innocent Donny Jr though did it?

      part of
      part of
      part of

      Russia and its government's support for Mr. Trump

      I wish people like Mr. Somerby would occasionally step back and take a look at the big picture.

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    3. "I wish people like Mr. Somerby would occasionally step back and take a look at the big picture."

      I'd be just as happy if he stopped repeating Right-wing nonsense.

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    4. Dylan himself despises liberals like the ones on this board.

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    5. "despises liberals like the ones on this board"

      I disagree: dembots here are adorable. And very much illustrative of the whole lib-zombie death-cult.

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    6. Mao, at least now we are getting a new branch of the military - the Space Patrol!

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    7. 1:32

      “How about the intent to seek and use information provided by the Russians? Is that legal? Trump Jr. didn't know what the "information" was when he agreed to the meeting, enthusiastically.”

      Elba, is that you? With your great slabs of text that convey nothing but calumny, I think it must be!

      “Somerby quotes favorably articles by right-wing authors (sic). He argues strenuously for the innocence of Trump's disgusting children. He endlessly maligns liberal pundits and liberals. What kind of liberal does that? No kind of liberal.”

      LINK

      Leroy

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  3. "We're lazy and useless and nobody likes us. "

    Quit putting yourself down, Bob. You have at least one friend.

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  4. If information has value then:

    Steele was hired and was presumably paid with money contributed by u.s. citizens.

    On the other hand Jr. was willing to accept information as a donation from non-u.s. sources.

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  5. Information is quite clearly a thing of value. It is often one of the most valuable things there is.

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    1. Campaigns are required to keep records of and report donations. If someone gives money, there needs to be record of it and it needs to be reported. Correct me if I'm wrong, but if a computer, or a car or some other tangible object is donated, I am thinking that she be reported. If 'information' allegedly has value when a foreign national provides it, would an American candidate be required to report valuable 'information' provided by an American citizen?

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    2. Who knows? Perhaps. If the information is a donor list, or polling, or even oppo research that is paid for, it is probably a reportable item. But some sort of unspecified verbal "tip"? Don't know. A purely verbal piece of dirt is less valuable than well researched compiled info. There was clearly a bit more formality surrounding the Trump Tower meeting. It wasn't just an email with dirt, or a phone call. And we as yet don't really know exactly what was exchanged.

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  6. "Christopher Steele is a foreign individual! So, presumably, were his Russian sources. If it's against the law to accept help from a foreign individual, that could almost seem to mean that principals of the Clinton campaign would be on their way "to the clink," to borrow Gail Collins' language."

    The Clinton campaign did nothing of the kind. They paid a US firm (FusionGPS) for oppo research. They did not meet with or solicit information from Steele. He did not offer dirt to the Clinton campaign.

    ""But but but," the tribe will sputter. "But that's totally different!"

    Bingo. Yes, it is.

    The Clinton campaign knew the law and followed it.

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    1. @3:26 PM - You are not supposed to be openly pharisaical, you stupid, stupid dembot. On the contrary: you're supposed to signal superior morality and fake outrage, all the time.

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    2. You misread me. I meant "Hillary followed the law, and look where it got her."

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    3. The Clinton campaign paid the DNC who paid FusionGPS to continue research already begun and paid for by one of the Republican candidates opposing Trump in the Republican primaries. The DNC is not a candidate.

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  7. We don't know what actually happened at the Trump Tower meeting. Mueller is looking into it. It may be part of a larger pattern of behavior.

    The participants in that meeting may not have an incentive to tell the truth.

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  9. Anon 3:26, the code makes such contributions illegal whether they are made directly or “indirectly”.

    If you read the code and adjoining definitions, if information is considered a political contribution, the broadcast of information received from a foreign source could arguably be the same as the media airing a campaign advertisement financed by such sources.

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    1. So Trump Jr is guilty. Good to know.

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    2. I am not a lawyer, but I don't think information is what the code is aimed at. Suppose a foreign citizen gives advice to a candidate. Stretching the law, as some want to do, that advice is "something of value", so the candidate receiving the advice is breaking the law. I think we can all agree that this would be a silly interpretation of the law.

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    3. Leroy's Glossolalia TutorAugust 10, 2018 at 7:24 PM

      No, but you're a troll pretending to be one.

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    4. Hillary paid Steele, directly or indirectly. Therefore, his information was not a contribution to her.

      If Mr Trump didn't pay Veselnitskaya, her information was a contribution to him. Of course, I'm neither asserting nor denying that the statute applies to it. I'm just noting the difference between the two cases.

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  10. "This almost seems to mean that Trump Tower meeting would have been OK if they'd simply paid the Russkie lawyer. Is that what 30121 says or means? Can anyone really believe that?"

    Cute Bob, playing dumb.

    Let's see...you mean it's ok if the campaign buys an airplane from the Russkies, but not ok if the Russkies give the campaign an airplane? Is that what 30121 says or means? Can anyone really believe that? Yes! That's right!

    So if information is indeed a thing of value, then presumably the same thing applies.

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  11. Great post. Classic Bob.

    Leroy

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  12. Totally legal, Donald Trump tweets.
    No crime, Somerby writes.

    Jump, Trump tweets.
    How high, Somerby asks.
    Let me ask Putin, Trump says.

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  13. "we actually showed you the actual text of that actual statute. Admit it—you'd never seen that language before. "

    Actually, Bob, I was paying attention over a year ago when Eugene Volokh was writing op eds in the Washington Post that, frankly, are quite similar to yours. In one of his pieces he links to that federal statute, the same link as yours. In another, he even mentions the hypothetical Canadian offering dirt to Hillary. Surely just a coincidence...?

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2017/07/14/the-strikingly-broad-consequences-of-the-argument-that-donald-trump-jr-broke-the-law-by-expressing-interest-in-russian-dirt-on-hillary-clinton/

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2017/07/12/can-it-be-a-crime-to-do-opposition-research-by-asking-foreigners-for-information

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  14. If there IS legitimate disagreement on the legality of Trump’s actions, experience has taught us one thing: if Bob turns out to by wrong, you won’t read about it in “The Daily Howler.”

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  15. Echidne describes Caitlyn Flanagan's history of writing anti-feminist articles:

    http://echidneofthesnakes.blogspot.com/2004/02/rara-avis-part-v-life-and-times-of.html

    Flanagan is obviously a kook, so why is Somerby giving any airtime to her idea that Jordan Peterson is going to erase liberalism?

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  16. "Money or other thing of value."

    All signs point towards the Trumpies valuing dirt on HRC.

    An amateurish effort, Bob.

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  17. One person who appears to believe that Donald Trump, Jr did not commit a crime is Mueller. We can deduce this opinion, because Mueller has not initiated prosecution against Trump, Jr.

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  18. Here's an article with a different argument purporting to show that there was no collusion. https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2018/08/11/why_the_trump_tower_meeting_shows_no_collusion.html

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  20. Make of this what you like. I cannot vouch for it.

    A growing body of evidence, however, indicates that the une 2016 Trump Tower meeting between high-ranking members of the Republican presidential campaign staff and a Russian lawyer with Kremlin ties may have been a setup -- part of a broad effort to tarnish the Trump campaign involving Hillary Clinton operatives employed by Kremlin-linked figures and Department of Justice officials.

    https://www.realclearinvestigations.com/articles/2018/08/13/trump_tower_meeting_looks_increasingly_like_a_setup.html

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