THE DANIEL DALE EXPERIENCE: Blow fails to reach a useful end!

MONDAY, NOVEMBER 12, 2018

After that, onward toward Daniel Dale's alleged "lie:"
In this, the first thing we read this morning, Zak Cheney-Rice lets us modern liberals enjoy a few of our favorite things.

We get to enjoy the claim that others are lying—though, in this case, it's Bernie Sanders who seems to perhaps be dispensing the lies.

Beyond that, we get to enjoy the claim that The Others are racists. In this case, we aren't even asked to wonder if half The Others may be something else:
CHENEY-RICE (11/12/18): Unwillingness to alienate racist voters inevitably leads to coddling racist voters. Whether everyone who voted for DeSantis fits this descriptor is up for debate.
Based on the current count, something approaching 4.1 million Floridians voted against Andrew Gillum last week. Is every one of those people a racist? This morning, we who would have voted for Gillum were allowed to enjoy the power and privilege of wondering about such a thing.

This morning, it's Sanders seems to be lying, and everyone who isn't like us may in fact be a racist. Our view?

As we liberals shake our heads, with cause, at the weird things many conservative voters believe, we may perhaps seek to humble ourselves by thinking about the ways we ourselves are sometimes inclined to reason.

Is it all anthropology now? After decades of screaming dysfunction, does it all come down to a sober understanding of the mental, moral and intellectual traits of our floundering, warlike human species?

So we said at the start of the year. With that award-winning thought in mind, the second thing we read this morning was the new column by Charles Blow.

Writhing in pain from his perch at the Times, Blow postpones his denunciation of "American racism and misogyny" until fairly late in his column. He starts with a slightly more modern claim, a mournful complaint about "privilege."

Hard-copy headline included:
BLOW (11/12/18): You Have A Right To Weariness

Do we have a right to weariness in an era of animus?
More precisely, can we afford it, or is exhaustion a luxury reserved for those whose wealth, privilege and status insulate them from the losses the rest of us could suffer? Does patriotic defense of country require perpetual, obsessive vigilance, or is it permissible to retreat occasionally for one’s own mental and spiritual health?

These are questions I ask myself regularly, and ones that are frequently asked of me, if not in those exact words. People are trying to figure out the proper posture to take in a world riven by deceit and corruption, a world in which the leadership of the country represents an assault on decency.

This is a conundrum, I must confess.
Poor Blow! Writing from his aerie at his nation's most famous newspaper, he worries about those who have "privilege." As he continues, he tells us what he'd like to do in this world, which is riven by deceit and corruption:
BLOW (continuing directly): I, as much as anyone else, feel trapped by our current predicament. I would love nothing more than to write about other things, worthy things, more intellectually stimulating things. But for more than two years, I have written almost exclusively about Donald Trump.
Blow would like to write about "intellectually stimulating things." But instead he writes about Trump, nothing else.

We'd have to say we've noticed!

Charles Blow would like to write about intellectually stimulating things? Readers, tell us about it!

Earlier this year, we ourselves made a break for the border. We started to write about a topic we love—the history of upper-end "logic" as traced from Aristotle through Godel, then on to the later Wittgenstein.

We think this is a comical story, but also one that's highly instructive. We're looking for a way to return to this topic—but in September of this year, the discussion of the Kavanaugh nomination became so fraught and so absurd that, just when we thought we were out, it pulled us back in.

Blow can possibly soothe himself by thinking about the salary he's paid for saying the same thing twice each week. For ourselves, we started these labors almost twenty-one years ago, and we've been privileged to work in this vineyard for free.

Poor Blow! As his column continues, he informs his readers that President Trump probably won't be impeached and removed from office in the next two years. In this way, Blow announces his recent discovery that the sky is blue and the grass in under our feet:
BLOW: People often ask me, “When will it end? What can we do to get him out of there?”

My answer always is, “I doubt it will end soon, and there’s very little anyone can do to change that.”

I hate to bear that message, but it is the only one I can deliver if I wish to be honest rather than popular.

As much as there was to celebrate last week, with liberals winning control of the House of Representatives, and doing so with such a diverse slate of candidates, it was also clear that Republican control of the Senate means that any hope of removing Trump via impeachment has shrunk to nearly nothing. Even if the House impeaches Trump, the Senate remains highly unlikely to remove him.
Poor Blow! He's faced with the burden of being honest rather than popular! Because he's trying to be so honest, he's forced to tell the supplicants that "any hope of removing Trump via impeachment has shrunk to nearly nothing."

Of course, there was never any likelihood that Trump would be removed from office, barring some astonishing finding from the Mueller probe. And what are the current chances of that? Possibly trying to be popular, Blow tells readers one part of the story:
BLOW: The only hope is that the Robert Mueller investigation may deliver something so damning that some Senate Republicans view it as unacceptable. But there is no evidence as of yet that anything would sway them.
That's true, of course, same as it ever was. But it's also true that "there is no evidence as of yet" that the Mueller probe is going to produce anything truly "damning" at all with respect to Trump—though of course, it always could.

(How accurate was the Steele dossier? What will Mueller tell us?)

"There is no evidence as of yet" that the Mueller probe is going to convince Republican senators to remove Trump from office! But so what? Over the past several years, people like Blow have been feeding us liberals the tribal porridge which has been hiding such obvious possibilities from us.

In this way, they've kept us from seeing things which everyone else has been able to see—for example, that Michael Avenatti and Stephanie Clifford are a pair of blatantly obvious stone-cold hustlers; that Professor Blasey Ford, who may well have been telling the truth in every particular, actually wasn't "incredibly credible" or "the best witness that [MSNBC's legal analysts] could have imagined," as a long line of pander bears kept telling us back in the day.

Were these servings of porridge "lies?" For ourselves, we wouldn't say that! But this pandering leaves us liberals shocked, just shocked when 54 percent of the voters in last week's House elections say they think the Mueller probe is politically motivated. They leave us dropping a few of our favorite things on the heads of our fellow citizens, as Blow does in this passage:
BLOW: It is very likely that we are stuck with Trump until the 2020 election, and even then the Democrats can take nothing for granted if they wish to defeat him.

That is the root of people’s distress. How can Republicans in Congress abide this behavior and use it for political positioning? How can so many of our neighbors condone open hostility to minorities, the press and the truth?

Or maybe the questions are for us. How could we not have registered fully just how hostile a substantial portion of America is to inclusion and equality? How could we not have registered the full depths of American racism and misogyny? How could we not remember that American progress has always been like a dance with a disagreeable partner, stumbling backward as well as moving forward?
Assuming that he's in control of "the truth," Blow starts scattering bombs around the countryside.

"How could we not have registered the full depths of American racism and misogyny?" he asks. It's no wonder this truthful man is so weary by now!

For the record, we can answer at least one part of that question:

"How could we not have registered the full depth of American misogyny?" Easy! Our tribal leaders looked away when the misogyny was coming from Chris Matthews back in the late 1990s. Presumably, they looked away because they wanted to go on his TV program.

Also, they looked away when Olbermann was spewing his misogyny in 2006 and 2007 with his horrible little smutty pal, Michael Musto. Our liberal leaders explicitly discussed his "misogyny," but only in Ezra Klein's private online forum. Out in the open air, the Traisters weren't willing to speak up or complain, nor have they ever explained their public silence.

Most consequentially, Blow and the rest of his horrible guild all averted their gaze from the misogynist garbage dumped, for years, on the head of Hillary Clinton. (And on Naomi Wolf when she dared advise "today's man-woman," Candidate Gore. We're quoting the popular Matthews.) In November 2016, the planet paid the ultimate price for their endless silence.

Today, creeps like Blow parade about, blubbering about how honest they are. Cashing their checks from the famous newspaper which ran this long campaign against Clinton, they weep over the side of the ship about all the "privilege" they lack.

Quoting the later Wittgenstein completely and totally out of context, these behaviors "are as much a part of our natural history as walking, eating, drinking, playing." The tribalized thinking of our elites is an anthropological phenomenon. It's a part of the natural history of our floundering species.

The woods are lovely, dark and deep, but our tribe is willful and silly, a bit unwell. When we insist that we possess "the truth," we're seeing ourselves from afar and behaving prehistorically.

Our tribal leaders aren't super-sharp. Neither is our mainstream press corps. This leads to one final point from Blow's new column. We've already posted the passage:
BLOW: I, as much as anyone else, feel trapped by our current predicament. I would love nothing more than to write about other things, worthy things, more intellectually stimulating things. But for more than two years, I have written almost exclusively about Donald Trump.
It's true. For more than two years, people like Blow "have written [and spoken] almost exclusively about Donald Trump."

Blow has done so in the Times. Nicolle Wallace and her "favorite reporters and friends" do so each weekday afternoon, laughing and enjoying themselves in the little mahoganied playroom known as Deadline: White House.

In doing so, to quote Homer's Nestor, "they reach no useful end." They invent a tribal Groundhog Day, in which we liberals are allowed to hear the same pleasing complaints over and over again, and then again next week.

This doesn't tell us how we might succeed in peeling votes away from Trump and the GOP. Of course, if every Republican voter in Florida is a racist, and if we are in control of the only "truth," it may be there's no way to accomplish our mission short of total war, our species' traditional solution.

In the end, our tribal leaders and our mainstream press just aren't especially sharp. This is an anthropological fact, a part of our natural history.

This brings us back to Daniel Dale, speaking to Brian Stelter last Sunday. Each man seems completely sincere, but how much faith should we place in their analytical judgments?

Tomorrow: Dale spots an obvious lie

Coming this afternoon: Some wonderful self-indulgence

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  2. The fact that Blow and other liberals have certain big media
    access does not, Bob knows, change the power dynamic of the
    whole country, or at least not to an overwhelming extent.
    I guess Bob would rather call Blow a creep (?) then deal
    with the obvious, ugly racism of the President of the United 'States.
    It is interesting that media reporter Bob Somerby, in a week when
    the White House released doctored footage of a reporter attempting
    to destroy his career, Bob feels the need to confront the dangerous
    power of Charles Blow. But, as longtime readers know, Bob's soft
    spot for the Confederacy is not always well contained.

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  3. "Is every one of those people a racist?"

    Yes, I definitely hope so.

    Being called 'racist' by a dembot is the greatest praise in the World, and I certainly hope all those people and many-many others, and all my friends - all are racists (in Dembotese).

    I only wish all of us would also be declared misogynists and homophobes too...

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    1. I am sure you are proud of farting in the elevator too.

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    2. Yes, dear dembot, any hatred you spew is flattering.

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  4. First off, Somerby says this:

    “we aren't even asked to wonder if half The Others may be something else:”

    He immediately quotes the author:
    “Whether everyone who voted for DeSantis fits this descriptor is up for debate.”

    The phrase “up for debate” means precisely that we ARE asked to wonder, the opposite of Somerby’s claim.

    Somerby also says this:
    “We get to enjoy the claim that others are lying”

    Except that the author’s essay is entitled “Bernie Sanders and the Lies We Tell White Voters”, which means that the author is complaining about “us” lying, not “The Others.”

    Aside from this rather badly misstated synopsis from Somerby, the fundamental problem with the essay, in my view, is contained in its title. The author uses the word “we.” (In that, he is similar to Somerby.) The author presumes the existence of a group, of which presumably he and the reader are members. It is a journalistic trick. I don’t know Cheney-Rice, so I can’t assume what his political beliefs are, or whether he and I agree on anything. But there isn’t any reason to assume that he speaks for me or any nebulous group that he purports to speak for. Somerby has a tendency to quote people like Cheney-Rice as if they were spokesmen for “liberals.”

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  5. Our side has gone off the rails finding 'racism' everywhere. I can remember back in the 50's and 60's (it was worse before), before the civil rights revolution, in the South (and to some extent in the North), blacks were basically barred from voting; they couldn't eat in the same restaurants, drink from the same water fountain, or swim in the same pool. They had to sit in the back of buses. Schools were segregated. There were anti-miscegenation laws. There was a history of lynching. The "N' word was in common parlance. Real estate covenants banned selling your house to a black family. Professional sports leagues all white. I saw a documentary about Nat King Cole a while back - he was very popular, sold a lot of records. Yet when he performed in Las Vegas hotels - he couldn't stay there. He bought a house in an upper class section of Los Angeles - the neighbors signed petitions and demonstrated against him (property values threatened). Southern stations refused to air his network tv variety show. Things have radically changed since then, but to hear people like Blow talk, things now are worse than ever. It's a complex topic. Psychology, politics, economics are all involved. It's almost never discussed intelligently. (Is anything?) Obviously there is still racism, look at all these Nazis we have (they're not new). There are also a lot of Blacks who voted for Trump or other GOP candidates. Trump and the GOP are fine with Blacks like Clarence Thomas. Blow's views seem to be widespread - and that is why, with somewhere between 0% and 100% validity, people (who are hardly fair or objective in most ways) can call dems and liberals zombies.

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    1. Ac/ma:
      Did you read Blow’s column? He isn’t focused on racism by any means. He is talking about the weariness of fighting against the assault on decency and democratic norms that Trump represents. Blow complains about Trump’s assault on the press, and the truth. These are undeniable. It is also true that there are many sobering facts as one looks ahead. THIS is the essence of Blow’s column.

      And if there is still racism, as you acknowledge, then how should it be dealt with? How much of a problem does it represent? Are we as a nation regressing, when we thought the civil rights struggles were behind us? These are important questions, and the only ones asking them are Democrats. For which, they get raked over the coals.

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    2. I agree that liberals abuse the race card.
      I also take notice of a candidate who would create the
      phrase "monkey this up," not to mention the obvious,
      relentless racism of Donald Trump.
      As I have often noted, Bob states we should use the
      MLK scale on racism, that we should only call it out
      when it is blatant and obvious.
      Trouble is, when it IS blatant and obvious, Bob
      makes an excuse for it, or tries to laugh it off.
      Very much like, alas, an intellectually dishonest
      racist white person.

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    3. A nitpick -- people were still being lynched in the 1950s, most prominently Freedom Riders.

      A major criticism -- you deny the existence of institutional racism. You seem to think that if Nat King Cole can buy a house in a nice neighborhood, all the work of the civil rights movement is done.

      Health outcomes for black people are worse than whites. Black kids are suspended from school more often for the same offenses. There is still a gap on NAEP and similar tests. There is still a disproportionate number of blacks incarcerated. Median incomes for blacks are still lower. And so on. There are still many examples of racism built-in to our society that have not been eradicated. As long as that is true, there is still a need to call out racism "everywhere" because it exists everywhere and is still pervasive in our culture. Liberals know that. You apparently don't know it, despite Blow's efforts.

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    4. Obama In 2008: Politicians Have "Monkeyed Around With Elections"
      https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2018/08/30/obama_in_2008_politicians_have_monkeyed_around_with_elections.html

      The race card is all liberals know. The Florida politician wasn't being racist. Race problems serve as an excuse for liberals to express their own hostility and frustrated need for power.

      In doing so they actually harm black people, because their hostile attitude tends to intensify race hatred.

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    5. "Median incomes for blacks are still lower. And so on. There are still many examples of racism built-in to our society that have not been eradicated."

      Not as many as examples of dembot bullshit/non-sequitur.

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    6. Racism will never be eradicated and there will always be examples of racism built-in to our society as long as we have a society. Not far off whites will be a minority and we will have to put up with racism. Life is hard. Handle it.

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    7. @1:04
      Their “frustrated” need for power? News flash: the Democrats took back the House. Has Infowars not told you yet?

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    8. Monkey around doesn't mean the same thing as monkey things up. Also, context matters.

      @1:04 -- trolls gotta troll.

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    9. Many African Americans are further behind than they would be because most come from single parent homes and get involved in the criminal justice system at an early age. These are not the fault of the rest of society that some people make bad decisions. I'm not saying there is no racism, but there are things that people can control that they choose not to which results in bad outcomes.

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    10. "Monkey around doesn't mean the same thing as monkey things up."
      What's the difference?

      Yes, “frustrated” need for power. Democrats feel powerless as individuals and seek to satisfy this need for power through identification with social movements etc. They identify with blacks because they think of blacks as powerless, just like they think of themselves as powerless. You could care less about blacks beyond the extent of absorbing them into white culture absorbing their musical culture into white culture.

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    11. AnonymousNovember 12, 2018 at 12:52 PM -- evidently thinks a difference in outcome is proof of racism. If we follow his/her reasoning, we note that Asians do better in school than whites and Jews do better in school than gentiles. Is that proof that there is discrimination in favor of Asians and Jews? Of course not.

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    12. Speaking of Jews, how are those massive airstrikes going? How many dead Palestinian kids so far this year? A couple of dozen? Hey they would of probably grown up to be terrorists anyway. ;)

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    13. Trump says those Yemeni kids were killed because they (nonspecific) didn't know how to use the weapons properly.

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    14. It’s probably worth getting the history straight. People were still being lynched in the 1950s, but the Golden Age of American Lynching lasted from the end of Reconstruction (1872) until just after the end of World War II (1946). Six people were lynched in 1946; eight for the entire decade of the Fifties. In comparison, every 19th-century year of the GAAL had numbers of lynching victims in triple digits. The Fifties were the first decade to see years (five of them) with no recorded lynchings. The Tuskegee Institute (now Tuskegee University) kept the blood-soaked statistics.

      During its golden years, lynching was an adjunct to the segregationist apparat of the south, a quasi-official instrument of terror intended keep white supremacists in power. Lynching was celebrated, public, and operated with the connivance and compliance of officialdom. But by the Fifties, it was out of vogue. The same cannot be said for American apartheid (the so-called Jim Crow) or for racial violence in general.

      No Freedom Riders were lynched in the 1950s. The Freedom Rides took place in 1961, and none of the Riders was killed, although not for want of mobs’ trying.

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    15. Chaney, Goodman, Schwerner, June 1964, Neshoba County, MS. Abducted and killed but not lynched.

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  6. “This doesn't tell us how we might succeed in peeling votes away from Trump and the GOP. “

    By “this”, it isn’t exactly clear what Somerby means, but presumably he is talking about (among other things) pieces by Blow and Cheney-Rice. So, it’s a theory: These writers, or the things they write about, and also (Republican) Nicolle Wallace and her show don’t have anything useful to say about how Democrats might peel voters away from Trump.

    One could, however, argue that there is some truth in what these writers are saying. If they are right about Trump’s appeal, then that is an insight into his electorate, which has to be dealt with by anyone campaigning as a Democrat. Insights into the opposing party’s voters, if accurate, can be quite useful.

    The second thing I would mention is that, in this most recent election, we actually did see a significant peeling away of voters from Trump and his party, particularly in the suburbs and among women and younger voters. That is an important development. And who is to say that the continuing focus on Trump from people like Blow and Cheney-Rice, and even Nicolle Wallace, did not contribute to this development?

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    1. Maybe Bob Tivos, I don't know. But it sure seems like
      Nichole Wallace is the MSNBC show that comes on when
      he rolls out of bed. Then he naps for awhile so he can
      come back and get mad at Rachel.

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    2. Has it occurred to anyone that Trump and Somerby have the same lifestyle? This is Somerby's executive time, watching TV and eating burgers.

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    3. Not to me, no.

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  7. Continued from Saturday

    AnonymousNovember 11, 2018 at 5:52 PM - Many of those [kneeling football player] protesters are black -- odd that they seem more concerned about being shot by cops than being murdered. Wonder why that is.

    That's a great question. It deserves a full essay. I would suggest several reasons
    1. Being murdered by a cop is different and more serious than being murdered by an ordinary person. Cop murders deserve a lot of attention, even if their number is relatively small.

    2. Some of the protestors are anti-American, particularly the initiator, Colin Kaepernick. (He once wore a Fidel Castro T-shirt.)

    3. The football players are relatively rich. They are in much less danger of being murdered by a black person than some poor black.

    4. The media gives enormous attention to blacks killed by cops. It gives little attention to whites and Asians killed by cops. And, it gives no attention at all to blacks killed by other blacks. One commenter asked me to name such a victim. I can't, because the national media doesn't report their names,

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    1. 5. The cops are shiity at their job, and should be re-trained to serve the public, instead of acting like an occupying army.

      6. The lack of holding police officers accountable has given the officers a sense that they can get away with anything.

      7.The NRA talks a good game about the 2nd Amendment being "to fight the tyranny of the government", but like many Right-wing organizations, they are made up of authoritarians, who think the unarmed black guy should have just done what the officer told him.

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  8. "as traced from Aristotle through Godel, then on to the later Wittgenstein"

    Although Godel and Wittgenstein overlapped, technically it should be Aristotle through Wittgenstein then on to Godel. Godel lived until 1976. Both Godel and Wittgenstein arguably did their important work early in their lives but Somerby prefers Wittgenstein's later work, which was decried by philosophers like Bertrand Russell as lazy and rejecting the whole enterprise of modern philosophy. Somerby would like to overturn Godel's work so he latches onto Wittgenstein's elderly nonsense. That's just embarrassing for them both.

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  9. Somerby keeps saying that we aren't going to get rid of Trump before 2020. People said the same thing about Nixon but he ultimately resigned. Mueller is going to release a report and it will explain what happened in the last election. Even Trump may resign when he realizes he is facing major prison time and needs to focus on his defense (or take up permanent residence in Moscow).

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  10. His name is Cheney Rice? !!

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  11. MY NAME IS VICKY AND I AM FROM SAN DIEGO CALIFORNIA,I WANT TO SHARE A
    TESTIMONY OF A SPELL CASTER WHO REUNITE MY MARRIAGE WENT HIS POWERFUL SPELL
    CASTER.AND I ALSO WANT TO USE THIS OPPORTUNITIES TO WARN THOSE OUT THERE
    READING FAKE TESTIMONY ON SOCIAL NETWORK.BECAUSE I HAVE BEEN SCAMMED BY SO
    MANY FAKE SPELL CASTER. BE CAREFUL HERE BECAUSE NOBODY CAN HELP YOU HERE OR
    EVEN SUGGEST HOW YOU CAN GET YOUR EX OR LOVER BACK, TESTIMONIES OF MOST
    SPELL CASTER HERE MUST BE IGNORE.BECAUSE MOST OF THEM ARE SCAM I MEAN REAL
    SCAM WHICH I WAS A VICTIM OF BEFORE, I GOT RIPPED OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS
    BECAUSE I WAS SO ANXIOUS TO GET MY HUSBAND BACK AFTER HE LEFT ME FOR OVER 2
    YEARS WITH MY 7 YEARS OLD SON HARRY,I HAVE APPLIED TO 5 DIFFERENT SPELL
    CASTER HERE AND ALL TO NO AVAIL THEY ALL ASK FOR SAME THING SEND YOUR NAME
    YOUR EX NAME ADDRESS AND PICTURE PHONE NUMBER ETC WHICH I DID OVER AND OVER
    AGAIN AND MOST OF THEM WERE FROM WEST AFRICA UNTIL I SAW A POST ABOUT DR
    ALEXZANDER SPELL AND I DECIDED TO GAVE HIM MY LAST TRAIL.HE ASK ME FOUR
    THINGS MY REAL NAME,MY EX AND MY EX MOTHER NAME AND SAID MY EX WILL COME
    BACK IN 48HOURS, I HAVE SPEND ON SPELL CASTING AND NOTHING HAVE WORK FOR ME
    AFTER 2 DAYS I WAS THINKING ABOUT HOW MUCH I HAVE LOST SO FAR SO I SAID LET
    ME GIVE HIM A TRY SO I CALLED HIM AGAIN AND SEND MY REAL NAME,MY EX AND MY
    EX MOTHER NAME. BECAUSE I SWEAR IT WAS MY LAST TRY SO I WAS WAITING AS HE
    TOLD ME TO WAIT TILL NEXT DAY AND I COULD NOT SLEEP THAT NIGHT BECAUSE I
    REALLY LOVE MY HUSBAND AND WANT HIM BACK SO MUCH, THAT DAY I SAW MY HUSBAND
    WAS ONLINE ON FACEBOOK AND HE SAID HI AT FIRST I WAS SHOCK BECAUSE HE
    NEVER TALK WITH ME FOR THE PAST A YEAR AND 11 MONTH NOW I DID NOT REPLY
    AGAIN HE SAID ARE YOU THERE? I QUICKLY REPLY YES AND HE SAID CAN WE SEE
    TOMORROW I SAID YES AND HE WENT OFF-LINE I WAS CONFUSED I TRY TO CHAT WITH
    HIM AGAIN BUT HE WAS NO MORE ON LINE I COULD NOT SLEEP THAT NIGHT AS I WAS
    WONDERING WHAT HE IS GOING TO SAY, BY 9.AM THE NEXT MORNING HE GAVE ME A
    MISS CALL I DECIDED NOT TO CALL BACK AS I WAS STILL ON SHOCK AGAIN HE
    CALLED AND I PICK HE SAID CAN WE SEE AFTER WORK TODAY I SAID YES SO HE END
    THE CALL. IMMEDIATELY I GOT OFF WORK HE CALL ME AND WE MEET AND NOW WE ARE
    BACK AGAIN I CALL DR ALEXZANDER THE NEXT DAY THANKING HIM FOR WHAT HE HAS
    DONE IN FACT I STILL CALL HIM AND THANK HIM AS MY LIFE WAS NOT COMPLETE
    WITHOUT MY HUSBAND PLEASE BE CAREFUL HERE I HAVE BEEN SCAM THOUSANDS OF
    DOLLARS IF YOU WANT A TRUE LOVE SPELL THEN CONTACT..alexzanderhightemple@gmail.com.

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  12. GREETINGS everyone out there.. my name is (Robert Lora) I am from CANADA i will never forget the help Dr Ogudugu render to me in my marital life. I have been married for 8 years now and my husband and i love each other very dearly. After 6 years of our marriage my husband suddenly change he was having an affair with a lady outside our marriage, my husband just came home one day he pick up his things and left me and the kids to his mistress outside at this time i was confuse not knowing what to do again because i have lost my husband and my marriage too. i was searching for help in the internet, i saw many people sharing testimony on how Dr Ogudugu help them out with their marital problems so i contacted the email of Dr Ogudugu i told him my problem and i was told to be calm that i have come to the right place were i can get back my husband within the next 48hours, to my greatest surprise my husband came to my office begging me on his knees that i should find a place in my heart to forgive him, that he will never cheat on me again, i quickly ask him up that i have forgiven him. Friends your case is not too hard why don't you give Dr Ogudugu a chance, because i know they will help you to fix your relationship with your Ex Partner. Dr Ogudugu his the best spell caster around to solve any problem for you.
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