Misstatement as the cultural norm!

SATURDAY, JULY 27, 2019

Nadler, misstating Mueller:
What happens to a society when gross, apparently willful misstatement becomes the cultural norm?

We've been moving in that direction for the past several decades. In fairness, the liberal and mainstream worlds only began to notice the problem when Donald J. Trump took this behavior to the point of apparent insanity.

(For a good part of that time, it was in fact the mainstream press which drove the incessant misstating.)

At present, the aforementioned Trump mixes incessant insult with constant wild misstatement. Yesterday, Jerrold Nadler seemed to decide that it was his turn to play the blatant misstatement game.

Ladies and gentlemen, sad! Nadler stepped to the microphone with his comrades arrayed behind him. Early in his heroic statement, he heroically offered this:
NADLER (7/26/19): ...Director Mueller's testimony removed all doubt. He told us that Donald Trump obstructed justice and abused his office by tampering with witnesses...He told us in a remarkable exchange with Mr. Lieu that, but for the Department of Justice policy prohibiting [him] from doing so, he would have indicted President Trump. Indeed, it is clear that any other citizen of this country who has behaved as this president has would have been charged with multiple crimes.
To view the full statement, click here.

Let's start with this. During Wednesday's testimony, did Mueller actually say that Trump obstructed justice?

In fact, Mueller has said, right from the start, that he and his team never attempted to form or state a judgment regarding that matter. Everybody knows that!

Nadler was already taking liberties at that point in his remarks. But assuming even modest competence on Nadler's part, his statement concerning that "remarkable exchange with Mr. Lieu" can only be seen as a (truly remarkable) willful gross misstatement.

As everyone knows, the "remarkable exchange" with Rep. Lieu took place during Wednesday's morning session. In the exchange, Mueller seemed to voice agreement with a provocative assertion by Lieu—an assertion which went beyond anything Mueller had previously said.

Especially at CNN, pundits got very excited. But as everyone knows, at the start of Wednesday's afternoon session, Mueller explicitly corrected the record concerning what Lieu had said.

As everyone knows, this is what Mueller said at the start of the afternoon session. Did we mention the fact that everyone knows that Mueller explicitly said this?
MUELLER (7/24/19): I want to add one correction to my testimony this morning. I want to go back to one thing that was said this morning by Mr. Lieu, who said, and I quote, "You didn’t charge the president because of the OLC opinion."

That is not the correct way to say it. As we say in the report, and as I said at the opening, we did not reach a determination as to whether the president committed a crime.
According to his own statement, Mueller had erred when he seemed to agree with Lieu's representation. At the very start of the afternoon session, he explicitly corrected the record, before proceeding to address the first question he'd been asked.

That's what Mueller explicitly said—and everyone knows that he said it! But Nadler apparently liked the misstatement more than the correction. In yesterday's statement, he went ahead and acted as if the correction had never occurred.

Trump has been a con man, a sleazeball and a grifter for his entire life. He's highly practiced at the skill of misstating facts. He has a fully developed understanding of the sorts of absurd misstatements he can get people to buy.

Yesterday, Nadler was playing Trump's game. He's likely to fail at this effort.

What happens to a society when deliberate misstatement becomes the norm? Just a guess: Practiced dissemblers—people like Trump—are likely to gain an advantage.

That said, the haplessness of our mainstream and liberal elites has been on vivid display for decades. Yesterday, Nadler was trying to play it tough. Almost surely, this will turn out to be the latest pathetic fail.

One final point, and it's sad:

Fox is explaining this matter today. As best we can tell at this point, no other "news org" is.

Apparently a team effort: Last evening, we watched Rep. Madeleine Dean (D-PA) as she spoke from the Situation Room during the 6 PM hour.

Dean is a member of the House Judiciary Committee. She told Wolf Blitzer this:
DEAN (7/26/19): Keep in mind what's going on here. We have an attorney general who has done the exact same thing that this president has done in plain sight and also behind doors, obstruct from the American people the truth of the report.

And know that what our investigation will include will be beyond the four corners of that document. What we will be—we will also be looking at, and other committees will be looking at, ongoing violations of the Emoluments Clause, ongoing and previous violations of campaign finance, paying off mistresses days before the election to bury stories. This is extraordinary wrongdoing.

And when I go back to Mr. Mueller, I just want to say something. What an extraordinary American hero, 50 years of service, a biography that is unmatched by anybody. And one of the things that he said that I think was particularly haunting is, what he said, if this were not a sitting president, would you have indicted? Yes.
Sad! After praising Mueller for his honesty, Dean proceeded to misstate what he actually said. Wolf just let it go.

(Also, "paying off mistresses to bury stories?" How hapless are our leadership groups? So hapless that they now pretend that this is what our elections should be about. Prepare for sexual grifter schemes every fourth November, assuming we still have elections.)

Donald J. Trump is good at this game. These well-practiced losers are not.

69 comments:

  1. Trump's guilt does not hinge on Mueller's statement. It hinges on the evidence laid out in the Mueller Report. It hinges on the evidence painstakingly gathered by the investigative team and summarized in that report. The exact wording of anything Mueller said or did not say, makes no difference because it is the evidence that matters.

    Trump is guilty, he needs to be impeached, removed from office, indicted, convicted, and put in jail. I have faith in the rule of law and I believe this will happen, regardless of what Somerby thinks about what Mueller said (or didn't say).

    Somerby is an asshole if he thinks that these word games can exonerate Trump. He is an asshole if he thinks that "mental illness" excuses anything Trump has done. Somerby is an asshole if he thinks that "Trump is good at this game" excuses any of his malfeasance or will cause voters to keep him in office when he is so obviously a bad president and a bad person.

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    1. Trump's guilt does not hinge on Mueller's statement.

      Of course not, Capt. Obvious. But TDH wasn’t discussing Trump’s guilt, but rather Nadler’s characterization of Mueller’s testimony.

      Somerby is an asshole if he thinks that these word games can exonerate Trump.

      When did TDH claim that word games let Trump off the hook? (Hint: nowhere.)

      He is an asshole if he thinks that "mental illness" excuses anything Trump has done.

      When did TDH claim that mental illness (or even “mental illness”) excuses Trump? (Hint: see hint above.)

      Somerby is an asshole if he thinks that "Trump is good at this game" excuses any of his malfeasance …

      When did TDH claim that Trump’s only expertise excuses his malfeasance? (Hint: see hints above.)

      or will cause voters to keep him in office when he is so obviously a bad president and a bad person.

      Your naivete is adorable! Really. According to polls Trump has already convinced about 40% of the electorate to support him. He’s also got the electoral college, vigorous Republican voter suppression, and Republican opposition to securing the election. TDH’s point is that Democrats can’t beat Trump by shading the truth. Trump’s better at it and has more practice.

      It doesn’t matter that Trump is a bad president. His supporters don’t care. They’ll vote for him against their best economic interests. It doesn’t matter that Trump is a bad person. His supporters don’t care, as though you needed evidence that the “moral values,” evangelical crowd were anything but a bunch of hypocrites.

      It’s so adorable that you have faith in the law, but can you read for comprehension? Say, the latest headlines on the most recent Supreme Court decision? I’d say no, since you apparently can’t even understand a simple blog entry.

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    2. "...the “moral values,” evangelical crowd were anything but a bunch of hypocrites."

      Once you realize their religion is bigotry, it starts to make sense.

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    3. 11:23, you have got the correct line.

      Trump's approval rating has stayed roughly 40% his entire term, this is historically low.

      Lee Atwater explained Republicans perfectly - they would rather suffer themselves than help those that threaten their status in society.

      Democratics outnumber Republicans. 2020 will be about mobilizing, Trump's impeachment will enhance that.

      Somerby can practice perfecting his blind literalism for his audience of one until his cow cums, it is of zero consequence.



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  2. "Trump has been a con man, a sleazeball and a grifter for his entire life."

    Your TDS-induced highfalutin opinion notwithstanding, for almost 4 decades now The Donald has been - and still is - a True American Hero.

    Your zombie clowns, otoh, are just that: pathetic zombie clowns. Take this Nadler dembot, for example: a slimy lawyer turned career politician, who hasn't done a single day of honest work in his whole life, 70+ years.

    Your saying that he "seemed to decide that it was his turn to play the blatant misstatement game" is beyond ludicrous, dear Bob: this is the only game he knows, the only game he plays.

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    1. Hey Dittohead, send money to Assange, he's working on the Seth Rich conspiracy. he's going to crack the case any day now!!!!

      You, maggot, have the fucking nerve to criticize anyone else's honesty? Donald J Chickenshit, dittohead, Donald J Chickenshit.

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    2. Why didn't Mueller just interview Assange? Just ask him directly?

      Democrats are fags.

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    3. "... for almost 4 decades now The Donald has been - and still is - a True American Hero. "

      Let's not get carried away, dembot zombie. Trump doesn't stiff the little guy and kiss the ass of the Establishment any more than any other standard-issue Reagan Republican.

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    4. Meh. He ain't so special.
      Lots of thugs act like Trump.

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  3. Trump's guilt or innocence does not hinge on Mueller's or Nadler's wording of an obvious fact -- the investigation was unable to state a conclusion about guilt. It was tasked with laying out the facts.

    If you READ the Mueller report, it is clear that Russia meddled in the election in support of Trump and Trump obstructed attempts to investigate that meddling, as he has obstructed other inquiries into his wrongdoing.

    Parsing Mueller's remarks under a microscope and complaining because Nadler draws the obvious conclusions does nothing to get Trump off the hook.

    Somerby thinks that if he muddles reality, people will be confused and just go with the most confident liars in the room. That has been the Republican strategy all along.

    On this supposedly liberal blog, written for liberals by a supposed liberal, why is the conservative line being promoted so assiduously? Somerby is no liberal and he needs to stop pretending about that, just as he needs to stop trying to confuse the weak-minded with this garbage.

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    1. Parsing Mueller's remarks under a microscope and complaining because Nadler draws the obvious conclusions does nothing to get Trump off the hook.

      Trump is off the hook because the AG is a compliant shill, the Republicans control the Senate and care nothing for democracy in general and this country’s governance in particular, and he has 40% of the electorate who approve of him.

      It’s OK for Nadler to draw the obvious conclusion that Trump consorted with an enemy power to undermine the last Presidential election and then attempted to obstruct justice in trying to thwart the investigation into his malfeasance. It’s not OK to impute those conclusions to Mueller when Mueller didn’t state them.

      Somerby thinks that if he muddles reality, people will be confused and just go with the most confident liars in the room.

      Quit telling us what Somerby thinks. You’re the one who’s confused. History knocked, and Mueller refused to answer the door because it was against DOJ policy. That’s on him, and there’s no point pretending otherwise.

      On this supposedly liberal blog, written for liberals by a supposed liberal, why is the conservative line being promoted so assiduously?

      The conservative line is that the report exonerated Trump. That’s not TDH’s claim.

      Somerby is no liberal and he needs to stop pretending about that, just as he needs to stop trying to confuse the weak-minded with this garbage.

      You’re too confused to decide who’s a liberal and who’s not. If you think that TDH confuses the weak-minded, then your best course of action is to stop reading TDH.

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    2. I'm with deadrat, Somerby, the Right-wing meme repeater, is a liberal.

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  4. This by TDH is pure sophistry at it's worse.

    Word games to confuse.

    What did Mueller write in his report and repeat in his statement and finally repeat in his testimony?

    if his team “had confidence that the president clearly did not commit a crime, we would have said so.”

    Mueller also was very clear:

    “charging the president with a crime was therefore not an option we could consider,"

    How did Barr, the fucking Attorney General of the United States of America twist this absolutely clear statements from Mueller into telling the citizens of this country the following?

    Attorney General William Barr testified before the Senate Judiciary Committee that Mueller "reiterated several times in a group meeting that he was not saying that but for the OLC opinion he would have found obstruction."

    Fucking word games by a thoroughly corrupt AG who was places in this position only weeks before the report was concluded for some unknown unexplained goddam reason.

    And TDH decides to attack Nadler and ignores the dishonesty, the blatant shameless mendacity of the AG sworn testimony completely obscuring the truth. God damn, Bob. Do better.

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    1. You're way, way off man. Have you been smoking crack?

      There were no crimes committed. Move on, you're acting pathetic. There was never anything to this BS. Even the interference was a joke compared to the free publicity they gave Trump and just regular campaign Contributions of multinational corporations. The interference is a joke by comparison.
      But there is no connection to the interference and Trump at all, there never was so shut the fuck up.

      Sorry you're going to have to fight this battle on other terms. You're going to have to fight him head-on on healthcare prices, inequality, the tax cut and other policies that matter to liberals and progressives.

      Not some hieroglyphic Hail Mary that depends on a neocon to fight progressive battles for them.

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    2. @mm
      Somerby can’t do better. This is who he is.

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    3. Stick, I find as a rule, "generally speaking", burned Bernie Bros get really bent out of shape when the subject of Russian interference in the 2016 election comes up. It really harshes their mellow. Why is that?

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    4. I don't know, I'm not a Bernie bro. But the whole matter has been a fever dream and a gift to Trump.

      Establishment Democrats love it because it take the focus off their own failures.

      But it's over now. there's no choice but to move on although I know, even now, at this late late point, a lot of Democrats don't even see that!

      It's very psychological, like for a person like yourself. giving up the Russian interference narrative would force you to gaze upon the Democratic party for what it is, and see its flaws and see how it no longer serves you. I
      easier to believe in something false than face a reality that is too harsh, and questions your pre-existing beliefs and way of life.

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    5. it's difficult to deal with the failures of the democratic establishment but it's also an opportunity! We can take back this country and be much more progressive than they are now. but it takes guts and first of all, people like yourself need to face up to simple realities and stop playing this game like the current Democrats are worthwhile and good.

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    6. "Stick, I find as a rule, "generally speaking", burned Bernie Bros get really bent out of shape when the subject of Russian interference in the 2016 election comes up. It really harshes their mellow. Why is that?"

      Because it is a stupid, unimportant issue?

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    7. Stick,
      If it’s what you say, I love it, especially later in the summer.

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    8. If you are innocent, remember to ask your staff to falsify records to protect you from an investigation. It's the latest craze. All the innocent people are doing it nowadays.

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    9. "We can take back this country and be much more progressive than they are now."

      OK. Stop voting for Democrats, got it.
      Now, what's the rest of the plan?

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    10. "what's the rest of the plan?"

      Is it possible for you to be less stupid? To research your beliefs further? We should start there.

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    11. This line seemed much pithier before you copped to having nothing:
      "We can take back this country and be much more progressive than they are now."

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    12. You're not ready. You'll have to suffer a little more first - but we'll get you there!

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    13. The Mueller Report provides an entire volume of evidence of the Trump campaign colluding with the Russians, and they did not even investigate that thoroughly.

      Aside from Trump money laundering for the Russian mob for years, he also was involved in the selling of part of Rosneft during the campaign, and he was involved with the Russians in campaign dirty tricks. As a result, Russia has had their way with steering Trump's presidency in a beneficial way, not least of which includes Trump not enforcing sanctions.

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    14. "Mueller Report provides an entire volume of evidence of the Trump campaign colluding with the Russians"

      Actually, it doesn't. Please prove me wrong though.

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    15. Stick,
      If you are arguing in good faith, you should read the Mueller Report yourself. If not, Congratulations, great job.

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    16. In good faith, you made the claim - back it up! Where is the evidence of collusion in the Mueller Report? - show me one instance. You made the claim, back it up!

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    17. If it’s what you say, I love it, especially later in the summer.

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  5. They still have Wolf Blitzer on?

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  6. “Also, "paying off mistresses to bury stories?" How hapless are our leadership groups? So hapless that they now pretend that this is what our elections should be about. “

    More of Somerby sophistry. The congresswoman said “violations of campaign finance, paying off mistresses...”

    And it is the campaign finance violations that are the issue. Paying off mistresses as a campaign donation is perfectly legal, if unseemly, when done according to the law.

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    1. Once again, it was not against the law for Trump to spend money paying off mistresses. Even if you could turn the expenditure into a campaign expense, there's no limit on how much of his own money a candidate can contribute to his own campaign. Any violation is one of failure to report, and that falls on the campaign, not on contributors

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    2. wait, are you saying "Paying off mistresses as a campaign donation is perfectly legal"? well I'll be.

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  7. “Donald J. Trump is good at this game.”

    Not bad for someone who is mentally ill, eh, Bob?

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    1. Do you know the joke with the punchline "I'm crazy, not stupid?" I'll post it if you want.

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  8. “Trump has been a con man, a sleazeball and a grifter for his entire life. He's highly practiced at the skill of misstating facts. He has a fully developed understanding of the sorts of absurd misstatements he can get people to buy.”

    And yet, don’t anyone dare call Trump a liar. No siree. That will bring the wrath of Bob down on you.

    But calling him mentally ill, while asserting his “fully developed understanding” of how to manipulate people: Textbook example of hypocrisy, or the shifting sands of a technique called gaslighting.

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    1. But calling him mentally ill, while asserting his “fully developed understanding” of how to manipulate people: Textbook example of hypocrisy, or the shifting sands of a technique called gaslighting.

      I’m confused by your comment, @1:34P. Do you think that mentally ill people cannot understand how to manipulate people? It’s one of the symptoms of sociopathy.

      Hypocrisy is saying one thing and doing the opposite. Since all we have are TDH saying things, I don’t see how a charge of hypocrisy is even possible. In any case, what could TDH do that’s the opposite of calling Trump mentally ill?

      Gaslighting is denying reality to convince others that they’re crazy. Trump really is a disordered person, and he really does know how to manipulate people. Where’s the denial of reality in that?

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    2. Stupid response.

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    3. Somerby tries to convince liberals that they are no good phonies, and his usual claim about Trump's mental health is that he has dementia. Somerby did make a post about how sociopath is not "an official diagnostic term", his take on it was unclear, "We can't necessarily say" was his stance.

      I would not argue with narcissistic sociopath, nor tub of lard.

      Maureen Dowd uses a word

      The post was insipid but the comments got into an interesting discussion of Trump's tax plan.

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    4. Only six more years of crazy Trump fellas! There aren't enough illegals, man hating lesbians, white hating racists, religious bigots, angry feminists, Al Sharpton fans, and gay or beta men to beat him.

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    5. WTF are you babbling about? This country is full of religious bigots. Religiously bigoted Christians alone, are at least 50% of the electorate. Try to keep up.

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  9. Once Trump got turned on to calling any nation he feels disrespects him "a shithole", it was only a matter of time before he called the USA a shithole too.

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    1. @7:29 Have you been to Baltimore lately? The crime there is appalling. Bernie Sanders made the same point as Trump, but using nicer language:

      Bernie Sanders likens West Baltimore to 'Third World' country

      https://www.baltimoresun.com/politics/bs-md-sanders-baltimore-20151207-story.html

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    2. Maryland’s 7th district (Cummings district) has a median household income higher than the national average, and two thirds of its adult residents have white-collar jobs.
      --------
      BTW, have you been to Trump's America? If you don't get shot by the violent criminals or OD on opioids, you get to live under the rule of a corrupt federal government run by thugs, and drink polluted water so corporations can pursue bigger profits.
      Not to mention, a good 40% of the country think the President is a smart businessman because he play acted as one on a TV show.
      Good luck trying to shine that turd.

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    3. USA Today has named Baltimore the most dangerous city in the country.

      The paper analyzed police crime data in the nation’s 50 biggest cities, which revealed Baltimore had the highest per capita murder rate in the nation with nearly 56 murders per 100,000 people — a record for the city. The rate outpaced New Orleans and Detroit, with a rate of 40 and 39 killings per 100,000 people, respectively.

      Baltimore’s 342 murders in 2017 was an increase from 318 in 2016.

      Baltimore — the most populated city in Maryland with more than 615,000 residents — had more homicides last year than Philadelphia, Los Angeles and New York City.


      https://baltimore.cbslocal.com/2018/02/19/baltimore-named-nations-most-dangerous-city-by-usa-today/

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    4. BALTIMORE (WJZ) — Brazen attacks were caught on camera around Baltimore and police are asking the public for help in solving the crimes.

      Video first obtained by WJZ shows the attack on a civilian employee of the Baltimore City Police Department, who was stomped on the head by a group of teens riding Lime scooters. The suspects continue to remain at large.

      These videos are really disturbing but we wanted to show them to you so that someone out there can help solve this crime. It also shows the brutality. This employee gets kicked in the head, again and again.

      This case is just one in a series of bold crimes that have happened in Baltimore city.

      https://baltimore.cbslocal.com/2018/02/19/baltimore-named-nations-most-dangerous-city-by-usa-today/

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    5. "This employee gets kicked in the head, again and again."

      Metaphorically, that sounds like every employee in a Right-wing utopia.

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    6. Unlike Sanders, Trump does not care about Baltimore, he is just using it as a weapon to attack an enemy. He is addled by the impending impeachment.

      UNHINGED: Trump Explodes in Incomprehensible Twitter Storm

      Baltimore has been one of the most dangerous cities for decades, especially following the negative impact of Reagan.

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    7. @3:32 AM - you nailed it. Republicans produce metaphorical harm. Democrats produce actual harm.

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    8. Even the very liberal Guardian agrees with me:

      The uncomfortable truth? Baltimore has problems. And Democrats are to blame

      Trump’s tweets about Baltimore were inflammatory. But the city’s poverty and crime are real, and liberals should shoulder the blame


      A few days before Trump issued his caustic tweets, a Muslim civilian employee of the Baltimore police was walking down the street when three teenagers knocked off his prayer cap, shoved him to the ground, and stomped on his head. The man survived the attack, but it was shocking given that it occurred in broad daylight and was captured by street cameras. Earlier in the month, Baltimore’s newly minted deputy police commissioner was robbed at gunpoint with his wife. These brazen acts are signs that potential criminals in the city do not fear arrest or imprisonment as a result of their crimes. Indeed, clearance rates for violent crimes are abysmal in Baltimore. More than half of murders go unsolved.

      Clearance rates for violent crimes are abysmal in Baltimore. More than half of murders go unsolved.
      The city has been seeing a massive surge of homicides since the 2015 riots following the death of Freddie Gray in police custody. The city saw 341 homicides in 2017; to put that into comparison, the city of New York, which has 14 times the population, had 290 murders the same year.

      Unlike the protests and riots that followed the death of Gray, national media attention about Baltimore’s deteriorating security situation has been scant. Perhaps this is because the city’s situation does not fit any convenient political narrative.


      https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/aug/01/uncomfortable-truth-baltimore-democrats-blame

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    9. Who is right about crime being a problem in Baltimore: Trump or Congressman Cummings? This news report is too perfect:

      Rep. Elijah Cummings’ Baltimore Home Burglarized, Police Say

      https://baltimore.cbslocal.com/2019/08/01/break-in-reported-at-rep-elijah-cummings-house/

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    10. "Republicans produce metaphorical harm. Democrats produce actual harm."

      Who told you that, a 3-year old held in a cage?

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    11. "Republicans produce metaphorical harm. Democrats produce actual harm."

      Ha ha. Great joke.
      Now my turn,.
      Did you hear the one about the Right-winger who wasn't a complete and total piece of shit?
      Me neither.

      It's funny, because it's true.

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    12. Donald Trump is the Osama bin Laden of white terrorism.

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  10. I am not the first one to point it out, but the Mueller Commission's decision to make no judgment on whether Trump committed O of J is just weird. The whole point of the Commission was to fine out whether or not Trump had committed various crimes.

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    1. Re; The others who have also pointed that out

      Have they not read the report either?

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  11. I came to this page for the first time in months. Somerby hasn't changed at all -- he continues his attack on Dems, his gallant defense of the like of Trump and Roy Moore.

    Somerby used to pretend that this blog was about the media, but he has dropped that pretense now, since this post has nothing to do with the media.

    Somerby is a true Trumpanzee, whose sole goal in life is to see the likes of Roy Moore and Trump in power. He is no liberal, he is just a Trumptard who wants to spend the rest of his miserable life bitching about Election 2000.

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  16. I want the world to know a great man that is well known as DR Padman ,website: https://padmanspell.com/index-3.htmlhe has the perfect solution to relationship issues and marriage problems. The main reason why i went to DR Padman. was for solution on how i can get my husband back because in recent times i have read some testimonies on the internet which some people has written about DR Padman, and i was so pleased and i decided to seek for assistance, which he did a perfect job by casting a love spell on my husband which made him to come back to me and beg for forgiveness.I will no stop publishing his name on the net because of the good work he is doing. I will drop his contact for the usefulness of those that needs his help.His Email (padmanlovespell@yahoo.com) or his ebsite: https://padmanspell.com/index-3.html Whatsapp +19492293867 https://twitter.com/padman_dr. this great spell caster for your relationship or marriage problem, Once again i am very much grateful to Dr.PADMAN

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  17. I Can't still believe that i got cured from Genital Herpes through herbal treatment from Dr Oyagu who I met through the internet, I actually couldn't believe it at first because it sounded impossible to me knowing how far I have gone just to get rid of it. Dr Oyagu send me his medicine which I took as instructed and here I am living a happy life once again, a big thanks to Dr Oyagu, I am sure there are many herbal doctors out there but Dr Oyagu did it for me, contact him oyaguherbalhome@gmail.com , also call or whatsApp him on +2348101755322

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  18. Hello my name is Sally my finance broke up with me last week i was so sad I changed completely, I wasn't eating and i wasn't talking to anybody, I cried a lot,I was so depressed and stressed out that I was scared I'm going to end up in the hospital because of all the stress and depression until one day i search online on getting love tips because I Love & care about him deeply and I just want us to be together as a couple again and I want us to last forever then i found a powerful spell caster Called Priest Ade that he solved so many relationship problem then Priest Ade told me he will come back to me between 24hrs after he cast spell on him never believe it until my finance called me on the phone and told me he want us to come back and live happily together forever , Am so happy now that Priest Ade help me bring my finance back to me. Thanks so much Priest Ade  he can also help you Email him at 
    ancientspiritspellcast@yahoo.com or ancientspiritspellcast@gmail.com 
    Blog: https://priestade.blogspot.com
    WhatsApp +2347059715465

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  19. I never believed in Spells or Magic until I met this great spell caster called DR ONIHA.. The man I wanted to marry left me 3 months after our wedding ceremony and my life was upside down. He was with me for 4 years and I really love him so much. He left me for another woman with no reasons. When I called him, he never picked up my calls and he didn't want to see me around him. I was helpless and didn't know what to do to get the man I love back in my life. I went online in search of help and I found the DR ONIHA website. I have to contact him. So when i told DR ONIHA what happened. he helped me to do some readings, and after the readings he made me to realize that the other woman has done some spells over my boyfriend and that is the reason why he left me.. he told me he will help me to cast a spell to bring him back. At first I was skeptical but I just gave it a try. In 4 days after which the spell was done by DR ONIHA, My boyfriend called me himself and came to me apologizing. I can't believe he can ever come back to me again but now i am happy he's back and we are married now and we live as a happy family. Am posting this to the forum if anyone needs the help of this great man, you can also contact him through this. 
    Email address: onihaspelltemple@gmail.com  
    Website: http://onihaspells.com
    Call/Whatsapp number: + 16692213962 

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