Trump says he's going to win Minnesota!

SATURDAY, JULY 20, 2019

We can't guarantee that he's wrong:
Thursday night, the analysts cheered when Barbara McQuade got it right.

Rachel had been feeding us droogs our standard tribal gruel, in which The Others are all going to get locked up in jail. On this particular occasion, she was helping us think that Donald J. Trump will eventually get locked up for paying Stephanie Clifford to keep her big trap shut.

Then, Maddow threw to Barbara McQuade—and Barbara McQuade said this:
MCQUADE (7/18/19): It seems to me [that there is] very strong circumstantial evidence that President Trump was aware of this [payment to Clifford] and was directing it, just as Michael Cohen said.

I think one other thing, though, that's important is, I don't know that that means it's criminal. Michael Cohen pleaded guilty to this, but an essential element of this crime is willfulness and that means that you know it is a crime, you know that it is illegal. And it could be the case that they did not have evidence that President Trump knew that this was illegal...

[Intent] is a very high legal standard and it is one that has stopped many cases in their tracks.
Oof! Just like that, McQuade undermined the pretty dream Maddow was selling us rubes. This sort of thing is virtually never done on MSNBC, which largely functions as a propaganda channel.

How the analysts cheered! For her part, Maddow displayed one of her many performance skills as she signed off with McQuade:

She betrayed no sign of understanding that complication and doubt had just entered her sillybill world.

As Maddow continues to sell us our dreams, Donald J. Trump continues to launch his ugly attacks. In this morning's New York Times, his misconduct was richly enabled.

Trump had launched an ugly attack. The New York Times rushed to repeat it:
KARNI (7/20/19): “No, you know what I’m unhappy with—the fact that a congresswoman can hate our country,” Mr. Trump said on Friday, referring to Ms. Omar, when he was asked about the chant condemned by Republicans as well as Democrats. “I’m unhappy with the fact that a congresswoman can say anti-Semitic things. I’m unhappy with the fact that a congresswoman, in this case a different congresswoman, can call our country and our people ‘garbage.’ That’s what I’m unhappy with.”

Mr. Trump defended the crowd as “incredible patriots” and said that Ms. Omar, who was elected last November, was “lucky to be where she is.”
Has some congresswoman "called our country and our people 'garbage?' " In a news report in this morning's Times, Annie Karni quotes Trump making that claim—and she makes no attempt to question, challenge or deny the duce's inflammatory statement.

Which congresswoman has called our people garbage? When did she make that ugly remark? What was her actual statement?

That was no sign that Karni had asked. She simply repeated Trump's slander.

Later, Karni returned to Trump's remarkable statement, offering only this:
KARNI: Mr. Trump continued his condemnation of Ms. Omar on Friday, claiming that she had “called our country and our people garbage.” It was not clear what remarks she made that he was referring to.

That attack continued his racially charged fight with Ms. Omar and three of her fellow Democratic congresswomen of color—Representatives Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez of New York, Ayanna S. Pressley of Massachusetts and Rashida Tlaib of Michigan—into a sixth day.
Sad.

Was Donald Trump saying that Omar has called our people garbage? By now, Karni was explicitly making that assumption, although there was again no sign that she had actually asked.

Citizens, can we talk? Based on the first set of remarks Karni quoted, it actually seemed that Trump had been saying that some other congresswoman had called our people garbage. But Karni (and/or her editor) didn't seem to notice this fact. This is the Times, after all.

In fact, other sources have widely agreed that Trump was accusing Rep. Ocasio-Cortez of making this ugly remark. By early yesterday evening, various fact-checkers had worked from that assumption. To review Jeremy Stahl's rejection of Trump's claim at Slate, you can just click here.

At the Times, none of this mattered! Karni and/or her unnamed editor simply repeated Trump's ugly claim without betraying the slightest concern as to whether his claim was accurate.

The duce's claims are rarely accurate, but so what? The Times simply repeated this claim, exactly as it was made.

In effect, the Times told millions of readers today that one of the four congresswomen under assault may have called our people garbage. There is no sign that they bothered to ask which of the congresswomen did that, or what it is that she literally said.

Top anthropologists tell us that this is the best we humans were ever equipped to do. Through an ongoing set of highly unusual nocturnal submissions, they communicate with us from the years which follow the global conflagration they refer to as Mister Trump's War.

They say our brains were never wired to deal with quotations or facts. As always, the speak to us in the past tense when discussing our self-impressed species.

The greatest love of all: On the front page of the Washington Post, Wagner and Itkowitz report that Trump was claiming that Rep. Ocasio-Cortez had called our people garbage. Also this:

They quickly indicate that the duce's accusation is false.

For our money, their debunking of Trump's claim wasn't strong enough. But they didn't simply repeat his statement then throw up their hands, in the manner of the Times.

Alas! Wagner and Itkowitz also repeat various less than fully temperate remarks Omar has actually made. (For the record, Omar and Ocasio-Cortez have each employed the easily-exploited term "garbage.")

Omar was still puffing herself yesterday, repeating the blustery claim that she is "the president's nightmare." Earlier in the week, the Post reporters note, she'd also authored this groaner:

“I probably love this country more than anyone that is naturally born.”

No one born in Minnesota loves the U.S. as much as Omar does! We think of Homer's headstrong young Diomedes, instantly chastised by the seasoned Nestor, "who always gave the best advice."

That happened outside the walls of Troy. But where is our Nestor today?

Possibly due to her youth and inexperience, Omar tends to makes it easy for a demagogue like Trump. Eventually, the Post reporters say this:
WAGNER AND ITKOWITZ (7/20/19): In his tweets Friday, Trump predicted that he would win Minnesota next year, saying voters there “can’t stand” Omar and “her hatred of our Country.”

In 2016, Democrat Hillary Clinton carried Minnesota by less than two percentage points.
Are you sure that Trump is wrong in that prediction? Are you sure he can't exploit Omar that way?

Given the follies of human nature, sadly, we are not. We expect to hear a great deal more about this matter tonight.

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  1. The Times headline includes in interpretation that may not be accurate. The headline says:

    "In Another About-Face, Trump Refuses to Condemn ‘Send Her Back’ Chant"

    Was this really an "about-face" for Trump? Not repeating his earlier condemnation of "Send her back" is not the same thing as saying that this chant is now OK with him. I suspect that this ugly chant will not be repeated at Trump's subsequent rallies.

    BTW I have long been annoyed at the Times's practice of adding interpretations to news headlines -- telling us what we're supposed to believe the story means. That's a way of adding editorial opinion into supposedly straight news.

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  2. BTW the word "another" in the headline is pure spin. It's a gratuitous criticism of Trump for supposedly changing his mind too often.

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  3. “she was helping us think that Donald J. Trump will eventually get locked up for paying Stephanie Clifford to keep her big trap shut.”

    And there TDH goes again, abusing his less savvy readers into a misunderstanding of the situation. The campaign finance law, which Cohen admitted to knowingly violating, prohibits monetary contributions above a certain dollar amount, and the contributions must be reported. The law does not have an exception for “buying a woman’s silence”, although Somerby would undoubtedly like that. It is clear that Cohen and Trump felt it important for his campaign to do this; hence, the money was a contribution to the campaign. It was over the legal limit, it was not reported, hence, it was a violation. Full stop.

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    1. "It is clear that Cohen and Trump felt it important for his campaign to do this"

      Dembot, it is clear to you, because you're a dembot. To the rest of us: it may or may not be related to the campaign at all.

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    2. Full stop.

      So definite, so assured, and so wrong.

      Let’s assume that you can haul this payment over the legal obstacle of proof beyond a reasonable doubt and make it a campaign contribution. It's not “over the legal limit” because there is no limit on how much of their own money candidates can contribute to their campaigns. If it’s a campaign contribution, then it should have been reported, but the legal onus for that failure falls on the campaign and not the donor.

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  4. "...or what it is that she literally said."

    I don't really care what your zombie clowns (either 'of color' or colorless) say, but since we're reading this, and you're paying so much attention to it, dear Bob, why don't you enlighten us, telling us what it is that she litterally said?

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  5. Somerby keeps playing Trump’s game by trying to sort out the accuracy of all or part of his latest verbal excretion. It is a fool’s errand. Trump’s utterances are designed to be opaque and not capable of bring parsed. It is the technique of fascists and demagogues for whom truth is malleable and who deliberately abuse words and use mangled rhetoric and lies to harass their opponents, who actually care about truth and accuracy.

    You can claim this habit of Trump’s is due to his stupidity or mental illness if you like, but it is in reality an age-old tactic used by authoritarians to weaken the social fabric and strengthen their grip on power. You should read Hannah Arendt on this.

    Ultimately, it does not matter which congresswoman Trump specifically meant, or whether he even knows which one he thinks said what. For him, they are interchangeable, and any one of them will suit his purposes. If you confront him with “But that’s not what Omar said”, do you honestly think, given everything you know about him so far, that Trump will care? He will excrete some new lie for the fact checkers to go chasing for days, while he is going about his real business.

    You must not let Trump manipulate you.

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    1. Gary Kasparov has been commenting on this tactic of trump for quite a while. It is straight out of Putin's playbook. He terms it the creating the "fog of unknowability". It is intentional to create mass confusion making the very concept of facts and truth impossible. This is Charlottesville all over again. He wants the media chasing their tails. He wants his ignorant unconditional supporters like DinC to argue that the media is biased and fake. Don't play his game.

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    2. Exactly right. Lyons' joke is exemplary. Serve up a self-evident dismissal of the source. Don't get bogged down parsing what comes from the source.

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  6. It is the job of journalists to repeat what the President says. That is called "reporting."

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    1. No that is called transcription. Reporting is stating what he said and then giving us information so we can judge if what he said is true or false.

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  7. I love how white collar crime and only white collar crime can use ignorance of the law as an excuse. If I am speeding on a highway I can't claim I was ignorant of the speed limit and get off. If I have money deposited in my account that isn't mine, spend it and refuse to return it, I can't use ignorance of the law as an excuse. I can't rob the neighborhood 7/11 and say I was ignorant of the law. Yet, Trump can run for President, directly disobey a law, lie repeatedly about having done so, and now say I had no idea it was illegal. Simply amazing.

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    1. I love ORANGE MAN BAD dembottery. Thanks for your contribution.

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    2. Orange Man is a standard-issue Establishment loving Reagan Republican.
      Don't let people gaslight you into thinking this isn't 100% truth.

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    3. "If I am speeding on a highway I can't claim I was ignorant of the speed limit and get off"???

      LINK

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    4. If I am speeding on a highway I can't claim I was ignorant of the speed limit and get off

      Here’s a section of the law on speeding on a highway in Illinois:

      <quote src=“625 ILCS 5/11-601.5(a)”>
      A person who drives a vehicle upon any highway of this State at a speed that is 26 miles per hour or more but less than 35 miles per hour in excess of the applicable maximum speed limit established under this Chapter or a local ordinance commits a Class B misdemeanor.
      </quote>

      If you get a ticket, the state must prove the following elements:

      1. You were driving on a highway.
      2. There was an established speed limit on that highway.
      3. You were going between 26 and 35 mph over that limit.

      You have a legal duty to know the speed limit and to drive at a speed that does not exceed that limit. Neither Ignorance of the speed limit (i.e., the law) nor ignorance of your speed (i.e., the circumstances) will provide a defense.

      But if the legislature inserts the word willful in its definition of an offense, then things are different. For instance, in the IRS code concerning the financing of presidential elections, we find

      <quote src=“26USC § 9012(a)(1)”>
      It shall be unlawful for an eligible candidate of a political party for President and Vice President in a presidential election or any of his authorized committees knowingly and willfully to incur qualified campaign expenses in excess of the aggregate payments to which the eligible candidates of a major party are entitled under section 9004 with respect to such election.
      </quote> (emphasis mine)

      Now the prosecutor has an additional element to prove, namely that the candidate or his committee knew they were incurring an expense, knew that the expense exceeded the limit, and spent it anyway.

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  8. I had to fact check that. Yes, Clinton won Minnesota by 2%, but in Minnesota, like Wisconsin, Bernie got 5% of the vote. That is, butthurt Bern victims voted for Johnson or Stein or McMullen instead of the lesser of two evils.

    In 2016, Trump got 44.93% of the vote, and in 2012 Willard Romney got 44.96%. Cliton got 46.44 compared to Obama's 52.65%.

    If Trump is gonna win Minnesota, he needs another Bernie, or a Nader, or a McGovern.

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    1. Whenever a Hillary dead-ender starts whining, under the guise of explaining why things went the way they did in 2016, get ready to receive a load of fertilizer.

      Here Dr. T leads with the nonsense that, but for Bernie Sanders, Hillary Clinton would have been as popular as Barack Obama, and, in any event, she was entitled to the Obama coalition vote and would have gotten it had it not been for Sanders. (By the way, Sanders had suggested Obama should be primaried in 2012 for seeking a "Grand Bargain" with the Republicans with the offer of cuts to Social Security and Medicare benefits. Funny, Obama weathered that storm.)

      In Minnesota in 2016 vote totals were up less than 0.3% over 2012 on the presidential ballot. Obama got 178,451 more votes in 2012 than Clinton got in 2016.

      Jill Stein's share of the vote increased by 23,962, from 0.4% to 1.26% Maybe that was all Bernie die-hards who had voted for Obama, maybe some of that was lefties who were willing to vote for Obama but not for Clinton. Ralph Nader polled 5.2% of the Minnesota vote in 2000. In the Obama/McCain election the Independent Nader and the Green Cynthia McKinney polled 0.68% in that state. I'm just not seeing where Sanders voters had any big impact on the Stein vote.

      Other (i.e. excluding Stein and Johnson) in 2012 in Minnesota polled 0.75%. Other (i.e. excluding Stein, Johnson, and McMullen) polled 1.74% in 2016, that's an extra 29,038 votes. Were all of those Sanders dead-enders who had voted for Obama? Unlikely, Trump was the least popular major party candidate to run in modern times- got to think some Romney voters ended up as Others in 2016.

      Now we come to Evan McMullen. Here's Wikipedia on his candidacy:

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      The controversial candidacy of Donald Trump for the Republican Party nomination caused the creation of the Stop Trump movement, which sought to stop his nomination or find a candidate to oppose him. After months of unsuccessful searching, Evan McMullin decided to run as a conservative alternative candidate based on Trump's divisive comments on a variety of issues, calling him a potential threat to the Republic.
      ***************

      Not being someone trying to pass off animal excrement as Shinola, I gotta tell you- I don't think that's who the "butthurt Bern victims" cast their votes for in Minnesota. I think that's where some of the anti-Trump Romney voters went. McMullen ended up with 1.8% of the 2016 Minnesota total, 53,076 votes. That's 76 more votes for that conservative than the total increase of votes in 2016 for both Stein and for the aforementioned Other over the 2012 totals.

      And now the Gary Johnson vote. Johnson was a two term Republican governor in New Mexico who dropped out of the 2012 Republican presidential primary after the first debate and ran as the national Libertarian candidate. He ended up with 1.2% of the Minnesota vote total for president that year. In 2016 he totaled 3.84% of that states vote, garnering an additional 77,874 votes.

      Obviously, Johnson's appeal was to right of center voters, including far right of center voters- not Obama voters. Johnson didn't pick up much in the way of anti-Hillary Democrats, be they pro-Bernie voters or not, nor was Johnson likely to have turned out new voters. His gains were from among anti-Trump Republicans.

      Trump lost a lot of Romney voters. He made up for it by turning out new voters. Hillary ran up her popular vote totals in New York and California, non-competitive states where Bernie supporters would have been most likely to have withheld their votes but, apparently, they did not do so.

      She won those two states by a six million vote margin combined. Hillary lost the popular vote in the rest of the country by three million votes.

      (Trump's biggest edges were by 800,000 in Texas, 700,000 in Tennessee, 600,000 Kentucky, 600,000 Alabama, 500,000 Missouri, 500,000 Indiana.)

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    2. Hillary dead enders act like they give that job away, like she shouldnt have had to fight for it or endure any rigorous competition. That ain't the way it works.

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    3. Clinton dead-enders whining about the general election results are almost as bad as the Sanders dead-enders whining about the Democratic primary results.

      Looking forward to not hearing from either group in 2020.

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  10. Actually, it is Trump who hates America. He is the family that should go back to where they came from, if anyone should.

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    This is my testimony about the good work of priest wisdom who help me.... I'm Ann Earnis from north Carolina USA. And am sorry for putting this on net but i will have to, by this world best spell caster that brought back my husband who left me out for past 3 years, i eventually met this man on a blog site posting by one of is client for help, i explained everything to him and he told me about a spell caster that he had heard about and he gave me an email address to write to the spell caster to tell him my problems. In just 1 days, my husband was back to me. I just want to say thank you to this truthful and sincere spell caster, sir all you told me have come to pass and thank you sir. Please i want to tell everyone who is looking for any solution to their problem, i advice you to kindly consult this spell caster, he is real,he is powerful and whatever the spell caster tell is what will happen, because all what the spell caster told me came to pass. You can kindly contact him on: his email address is supernaturalspell1@gmail.com or directly on whats-app +2348124644470 or call. PRIEST WISDOM Blog   http://reallovespellcaster.over-blog.com

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