The fellow has never recovered: How silly is the drivel we're handed on our tribe's favorite shows?
Consider the way Lawrence O'Donnell began Monday night's Last Word. He started with a silly claim about Trump's alleged racism.
He followed with a claim about the press corps' use of the tricky word "lie," a claim which was simply sad:
O'DONNELL (7/15/19): Tonight, the great national debate about “is Donald Trump a racist” appears to be over.To watch this monologue segment, click here.
The debate started eight years ago in earnest in 2011, when Donald Trump first started talking about President Obama's birth certificate. That's when I started using the word "racist" about Donald Trump on this program, and the word “lie”.
But the American news media was not ready for either one of the words and it took the New York Times five full years after that to use the word “lie” to describe what Donald Trump says on a daily basis.
The New York Times finally called Donald Trump a liar in September 2016, when he already lied his way to the Republican presidential nomination.
The New York Times was five years late on "lying," but most of the rest of the news media was later than that. By the second year of the Trump presidency, though, everyone in the American news media had called Donald Trump a liar repeatedly. The Washington Post now keeps an official count of Donald Trump's lies.
Lawrence's claim about the "racist" debate was basically childish and silly. That debate is far from over. It isn't clear who's winning.
Regarding the claim about the word "lie," consider what Lawrence did:
Lawrence said that the Washington Post "now keeps an official count of Donald Trump's lies." As he said this, an image of this June 10 report flashed upon the screen.
The report was published by the Post's "Fact Checker" site. The headline on that report says this:
President Trump has made 10,796 false or misleading claims over 869 daysNewsflash: The Washington Post's Fact Checker site doesn't refer to misstatements as "lies." It tabulates "false and misleading statements." That's as far as it goes.
That's as far as the Fact Checker goes! Rightly or wrongly, it hasn't stampeded after Lawrence when it comes to the tricky term "lie."
Let's summarize:
Lawrence claimed that the Washington Post now keeps an official count of Trump's "lies." His point was that the Times and the Post finally bower to his own wisdom by using that tricky word.
As proof, he pointed to an official count by the Washington Post. That said, the Post's official count doesn't use the term "lies!"
You could almost say that Lawrence conned his viewers that night. An excitable person might almost decide to say that the gentleman lied!
“The Washington Post's Fact Checker site doesn't refer to misstatements as "lies." It tabulates "false and misleading statements." That's as far as it goes.”
ReplyDeleteSez Bob.
HOWEVER, according to the WaPo Fact Check, there is a thing called a “Bottomless Pinocchio”, to wit: “The bar for the Bottomless Pinocchio is high: Claims must have received Three or Four Pinocchios from The Fact Checker, and they must have been repeated at least 20 times. Twenty is a sufficiently robust number that there can be no question the politician is aware that his or her facts are wrong.”
With emphasis on “there can be no question the politician is aware that his or her facts are wrong.” By any normal definition, this would count as a “lie”. The WaPo is just too “refined” to use this word.
Trump so far has earned 21 of these.
You're boring.
DeleteExcellent rebuttal, 6:51. Where did you learn to debate? Trump University? If you have anything substantive to offer, we’d love to hear it. On the other hand, it sounds as though WaPo is describing what would normally be called a lie. Now, whether you agree with the WaPo is really beside the point. Somerby made an assertion about the wapo that is for all intents and purposes incorrect.
Delete@6:51P, I'm sorry you're bored here. Has anyone told you that it's not the job of the blogger or the commenters to entertain you? You know that you don't have to read the blog entries or the comments, don't you?
Delete@6:59P, Aren't you and @6:51 in violent agreement?
DeleteDeadrat - I'm not bored. The commenter is boring. As you are you. No offense. I know you are just doing the best with what God gave you.
Deletedeadrat solipsistically feels it necessary to leave a comment to tell others that it is not necessary for them to leave comments. lol. what a dumbfuck.
Delete6:49 - Lawrence spoke directly to the specific word "lie" - not a vague interpretation of it. That's the point. The Washington Post's Fact Checker site doesn't refer to misstatements as "lies." as Lawrence mistakenly said they did.
DeleteBest,
@whatever, Sorry, when I'm confronted boring people, they bore me. Apparently that's not so for you. No offense taken. I know you are doing the best with the genetics you've got.
Delete@11:06P, All I did was ask a couple of questions of someone who's so bored by a boring comment that he felt the need to note how boring the comment was, and by the way, that he's not bored at all. Obviously it's not "necessary" to leave comments; that's everyone's discretion.
DeleteAnd I may be a dumbfuck, but at least I know what solipsism means.
If you want to get physical, we'll do it.
DeleteAs I said in my comment on the previous post, some people allege that that data supports their conclusion, even when it really doesn't.
ReplyDeleteLike, for example, you. Or Bob, perhaps? Trump, maybe?
DeleteNot like David in Cal, this commentariat's Village Idiot. DAinCA doesn't allege anything. He just regurgitates right-wing garbage.
DeleteWho could argue with that iron clad reasoning?
Delete12:11
DeleteRight-wingers. Futilely.
What was that, Anon 8:06pm?
ReplyDeleteI didn't quite catch your drift.
Anyone who can catch that drift, left the GOP in the 1980s. Since, Bush 41, all that remains of the Republican Party is bigots.
DeleteAnother one bites the dust dumbfucks:
ReplyDeletehttps://www.cnn.com/2019/07/17/politics/trump-organization-hush-money-filing/index.html
Think about all the time and energy your blog and media masters wasted on that non-issue.
Surge in voters who say race card used against Trump 'for political gain
ReplyDeletehttps://www.washingtonexaminer.com/washington-secrets/surge-in-voters-who-say-race-card-used-against-trump-for-political-gain
In 2016 there was a surge in voters who said the race card was used by Trump to win the Presidency.
DeleteThe only group of voters who did not say it, were "journalists".
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