We'll add to what she said: We're happy to be making this statement:
This afternoon, at the Washington Post, Alyssa Rosenberg has gotten it right!
She starts by making an obvious point. We'll add to what she says:
ROSENBERG (12/5/19): Let us begin with the abundantly obvious, since apparently we need to do that these days: It was a bad joke and an incredibly boneheaded strategy.We agree with Rosenberg. What she says in that passage is abundantly obvious. Unfortunately, Karlan became the gift that gave to the Donald Trump White House.
For some reason, Stanford law professor Pamela Karlan thought it was clever to tell the House Judiciary Committee during her Wednesday testimony that “While the president can name his son Barron, he can’t make him a baron.” There are more direct ways to say that even if President Trump doesn’t recognize them, there are limits on his power. There are definitely jokes to make about the president’s taste for the imperial that don’t require contorting the spelling of his youngest child’s name.
But if her aim was to hand her critics ammunition, Karlan’s decision to invoke Trump’s kid was the equivalent of backing up a dump truck’s worth of fully loaded magazines right onto the White House lawn. Her halfhearted apology—“It was wrong of me to do that. I wish the president would apologize, obviously, for the things that he’s done that are wrong. But I do regret having said that.”—didn’t much help.
That said, Rosenberg goes on to batter various GOP hacks for acting like the world came to an end when Karlan gave them their gift. "Because we live in an era when everything has to be as stupid and mendacious as possible, the Trump administration jumped all over the opportunity that Karlan gave it," Rosenberg said. She got that right too!
That said, we'll add one point. It's a point we made just a day or two ago:
Our several hapless liberal elites badly need to get over themselves. They never will do so, of course, and this helps explain why Donald J. Trump may win re-election.
These clueless people badly need to get over themselves. One day, they're writing headlines in which the first lady is said to look "ridiculous." The next day, they're issuing scratchy jokes about her 13-year-old son.
When criticized, they issue the kind of finger-pointing apology our tribe has complained about forever. Then they start over again.
These are terribly cosseted people—pompous, unhelpful, unwise. They're overpaid and vastly overpraised. Professor Karlan's witticism was seized upon, but trust us:
Every time Professor Feldman opened his mouth, some Trump voter got his wings!
They're a pampered, uncomprehending mess. Our team is unable to see this.
Drink!
ReplyDelete"Karlan became the gift that gave to the Donald Trump White House."
ReplyDeleteMeh, forget Barron, dear Bob. Madam Karlan, who is now your zombie cult's public face goebbelsoid, had spewed so much hateful drivel.
Perhaps you would care to address the entirety of it? Y'know, on account of you always looking for the signs of mental illness, and all...
Chuck Todd and Adam Schiff declared that Hunter Biden should be off-limits for public pelting by Republicans in an impeachment hearing in which he figures prominently, but using Trump’s 13-year-old son as a means of making a snarky superfluous point against the kid’s father is regrettable...but Republican objections are still partisan drama that is chiefly opportunism from the usual suspects. That includes the objections from the boy’s mother.
ReplyDeleteFrom top to bottom, all bipeds included, the biggest facilitator of human nature, aside from human nature, was the concept that led to the invention of ball bearings.
an impeachment hearing in which he figures prominently...
DeleteBwahahahaha!!!
You see, Donald J Chickenshit, Acting President, has no fucking authority to order a foreign country to investigate an American citizen. But you repuppicant cultists have zero intellectual honesty, so that's all you got.
We now have Biden's assurances that his son will no longer do what he was doing.
DeleteWe can only hope that this will be the case for Barron Trump, as well.
Bwahahaha. The Mighty Wingnut Grievance Machine swings into action. Go go go go, Cec.
DeleteIs there anybody who didn't see this Right-wing whining machine coming as soon as they called the Left "snowflakes"?
DeleteImpeachment will go nowhere. The Senate will vote it down. Trump's approval ratings have risen since they started the hearings. Independents could care less about it and prefer a focus on issues that affect their lives and pocketbooks. It's pretty much a waste of time.
DeleteThe interesting story is the Democratic party's ouroboric devouring of itself. The leadership at the top, the Obama and Clinton factions, simply have no way of maintaining rule by Clintonian triangulation. That ship has sailed but it's all they know.
It's fascinating. We really could have Ted Nugent as president. Or Kid Rock. Or some professional wrestler or MMA fighter. The Democrats as they were from 1992 on, are over. Impeachment is simply a masturbatory sideshow that puts off the focus of their inevitable demise.
Unless a total unknown comes out of nowhere and can stir people's souls and present and new set of ideas that are relevant to people. Working people.
A point for the use of "ouroboric." Which you lost for calling an investigation of Presidential abuse of power "masturbatory."
DeleteBut not to worry. You should have a brilliant career ahead of you at the New York Times. They love "Democrats in disarray" stories. Give 'em a call and let us know how it turns out.
"Trump's approval ratings have risen"
DeleteThis is false.
When the impeachment inquiry was announced, Trump's approval rating was 43.1, by the middle of the public hearings it was down to 41.9, it is currently even further down to 41.6.
Affecting the polls to some degree (the flattening of support for impeachment) is the anti-impeachment wing of progressive media. This would include: Jimmy Dore, Aaron Mate, Glenn Greenwald, Matt Taibbi, Krystal Ball, and to a lesser extent, Kyle Kulinski.
Of this group Krystal Ball is interesting, and here is why: her YouTube show "rising" is produced by the publication, The Hill. Her show "rising" was developed and initially produced by John Solomon, who is currently a Fox News contributor and who wrote many articles pushing the Republican narrative of Ukraine conspiracies involving Biden and Clinton. Even worse, The Hill, and Krystal's show "rising", is owned by Trump buddy and supporter James Finkelstein.
Jimmy Finkelstein, the owner of The Hill, has flown under the radar. But he's played a key role in the Ukraine scandal
Fingerprints from right-wing media figures are all over the Trump impeachment depositions
Ceasarine Smith,
DeleteSo what?
If we only acted after getting approval from the citizenry, we wouldn't have gone to war in Iraq, we wouldn't have bailed out the banker s after they crashed the world's economy through fraud, we wouldn't be caging children at our borders, we wouldn't have a Patriot Act, we wouldn't...
IOW, tough shit. No one in political power takes the mood of the citizenry in account. Why start now?
Actually, the point is the Democrats are arrayed. Arrayed by an entrenched leadership around irrelevant tactics (triangulation, neo-McCarthyism, identity politics). The whole point is that they are arrayed and unable to adjust to changing times.
DeleteIf then Trump's approval ratings are statistically unchanged, the point is still the same. The country as a whole doesn't care about this impeachment.
It's an interesting situation.
Because the same citizenry later votes?
Delete"The country as a whole doesn't care about this impeachment. "
DeleteIs that because the country as a whole doesn't care about law and order? Or because the perpetrator of the crimes is white? Or because they don't understand the victims of Trump's crimes are themselves?
They believe the impeachment inquiry is connected to the priorities of politicians and the media and distracts from issues they care about.
DeleteRush Limbaugh called the then 12-year-old Chelsea Clinton a dog....and we got over it. I think we can get over Prof. Karlan making a lame joke about Barron's name, sub-optimal though it was.
ReplyDeleteWas this something Rush Limbaugh said in the context of being called to give expert testimony in Clinton’s impeachment hearing?
DeleteMark, forget it.
DeleteThe Mighty Righwing Media Grievance Media Industrial Complex has swung into action. These are highly experience professional whiners. You can't compete.
Cecelia,
DeleteI'm going to have to dismiss your crocodile tears, because you forgot to call the Left "snowflakes".
Let this be a lesson to you. In the future, troll harder.
"Was this something Rush Limbaugh said in the context of being called to give expert testimony in Clinton’s impeachment hearing?"
DeleteNo. The leader of the Republican Party and the one all Republican politicians show fealty to, was not called to give expert testimony in the Clinton impeachment hearings.
Chuck Todd and Adam Schiff declared that Hunter Biden should be off-limits for public pelting by Republicans in an impeachment hearing in which he figures prominently, but using Trump’s 13-year-old son as a means of making a snarky superfluous point against the kid’s father is regrettable….
ReplyDeleteThis is just more of the eerie, lockstep, identically-worded right-wing response: “Adam Schiff says Hunter Biden is off limits but Barron Trump is a target?”
(Ignore the fact that nobody should give a shit what Chuck Todd says.)
I can’t find Schiff quoted anywhere as saying Republicans can’t resort to their disinformation campaign about the Bidens. How could he stop them? What Schiff did say was that those members of his committee who have (R-Treason) after their names can’t call Hunter Biden as a witness before the committee Schiff chairs.
The reason is simple: Hunter Biden “figures prominently” only in Republican fever dreams.
If Hunter Biden broke any Ukrainian laws, then it’s the government of Ukraine who should be investigating him. They’re not. If Hunter Biden broke any US laws, then the DOJ may invoke the MLAT treaty we have with Ukraine to investigate him. They haven’t. Even if Hunter Biden is as corrupt as Devin Nunes, that has no bearing on whether Trump committed impeachable offenses.
Barron Trump isn’t a “target”; the witness’ comment isn’t about him and it isn’t “superfluous”; it’s about the anti-Constitutional behavior of Barron’s father.
I’ll start taking seriously Republican outrage over breaches of decorum when Donald Trump stops calling Adam Schiff “Little Pencil Neck” and stops selling “Little Pencil Neck” merch with Schiff’s picture.
DeleteIn others words, you'll take breaches of decorum seriously for less significant reasons than I take them as being serious.
You want Trump to quit insulting Schiff. I want Hunter Biden questioned on his history with Burisma.
You're such a phony, Cec.
DeleteTell me, how many other members of a board of directors can you recall being investigated for corruption of the company? Not a single member of Enron's 14 member board was charged criminally for the actions of the executive management.
If you want Hunter Biden questioned, call Billy The Bull Barrvano, I'm sure he'll be happy to oblige. But don't send your fucking corrupt personal lawyer to another country to extort them to do your dirty work, coward.
I don't care whether or not Trump insults Schiff. But as long as he does, I'd like not to hear the whining from the crowded Republican fainting couch. Seems only fair.
DeleteSo you've bought into the fake news about Hunter Biden and his "history" with Burisma. Fine. There are proper channels for investigating that. The fact that these channels are unused should tell you something, but again, fine. But whatever either Biden either did or didn't do has no bearing on whether Trump committed impeachable offenses. Testimony about the Bidens might conceivably if not probably be relevant in some forum, but not in the committees considering the impeachment of Trump.
The fact that Republicans are constantly whining about a topic not relevant to the subject at hand should also tell you something.
Let me know if anything of this is getting through. Or not.
Wouldn't that scenario make you more wary, not less?
DeleteParticularly when work for a foreign company is involved?
Ken Lay was indicted on multiple counts.
You're here calling your fellow citizens traitors to Rusia simply for supporting Trump, but Hunter Biden's career under a Ukrainian egis you consider utterly corrupt should be exempt from an impeachment hearing despite its utter relevance to the matter.
What you say is very complex, deadrat, and so is problematic as to whether it will get through to me. I appreciate your concern.
DeleteThe matter of the Bidens and Burisma is germane as to Trump’s thinking. Germane as to a president’s ability to directly address a foreign power as to his suspicions. “What can you tell me as to how I need to proceed with this?
Let’s start there in the post Clapper and Brennan era.”
Can we call Joe Biden’s son in to answer those questions? No?
mm, you’re begging the question. Who was Hunter Biden’s CEO superior?
DeleteCecelia,
DeleteYour appreciation is probably misplaced. I’ll have to confess that my main concern is with the quality of my writing. Which seems to have failed the clarity test. I always try for FL, and I’m disappointed with anything less than IF.
What you say is very complex….
What I’m saying is dead simple. Let’s see if I can make that clear.
The matter of the Bidens and Burisma is germane as to Trump’s thinking.
That may be true, but Trump’s thinking isn’t germane to the issue of abuse of power. In other words, motive isn’t germane because motive is almost never an element of a crime. (I say “almost never,” because someone with legal training might be able to give an exception, but I can’t think of a single case.)
Almost always, criminal liability requires mens rea, the intent to commit the act in question. With some obvious exceptions that don’t apply here, the law considers that legally competent people intend to do the acts they actually do. Please tell me why you believe we need to consider Trump’s “thinking.”
Germane as to a president’s ability to directly address a foreign power as to his suspicions.
Again, totally irrelevant. Trump’s abuse of his office arises from his actions in soliciting a bribe from a foreign country. Merely voicing his “suspicions” would have been contemptible, but probably not impeachable.
But, really, are you going to maintain that Trump was actually worried about Ukrainian corruption that just happened to involve a political rival? Because that’s just silly. Remember that part of the favor that Trump demanded of Zelensky was the announcement of an investigation into Hunter Biden.
Can we call Joe Biden’s son in to answer those questions?
Who’s “we”?
Do you mean the House committees investigating Trump’s behavior? Then, no. Hunter Biden could be a bigger crook than Trump or any member of Trump’s family and entourage, but that’s outside the House committees’ remit. I’ve outlined previously how the gov could legitimately investigate HB. What was unclear about that?
What “questions”? What laws has Hunter Biden supposedly broken? Be specific. Show your work by quoting the United States Code and addressing any jurisdictional issues. You don’t have to tell me what criminal actions you think HB took, but I do want to know what laws might be applicable.
Trump did the following impeachable things:
1. He solicited a bribe. The quid was the release of military aid; the quo was getting the Ukrainians to announce and conduct an investigation into a family member of a political rival. The former wasn’t even his to play with; the latter was solely for his own benefit.
2. He asked a foreign power to take actions that would interfere in our upcoming national election.
3. He impounded money, which no President has been able to do legally since the Supreme Court ruled in 1975 in Train v City of New York. I’ve outlined previously how Presidents can legally challenge the spending of money authorized by Congress. What was unclear about that?
4. He directly used the power of his office against a private citizen, bypassing the legitimate channels by which we investigate the alleged wrong-doing of private citizens. This is arguably a violation of due process, both substantive and procedural.
How is any of this opaque?
Trashy Cecila used to play the sensible conservative back in the day, kind of like Tucker Carlson. That She now enjoys rolling around in Trump's hog mud should surprise no one.
DeleteTrashy Cecila [sic] ....
DeleteLet's work on the simple things first, like getting your correspondent's nym right. And realizing that Tucker Carlson has never been sensible.
Baby steps, dontchaknow?
Pretty soon you'll be able to construct an argument to counter someone you disagree with.
Now Burisma does not bother me
DeleteDoes your conscience bother you?
Companies bring on board members, not for technical expertise in whatever they produce, but for general corporate governance and to enhance their influence and reputation. No one complained when Hunter was on the board of Amtrak. No one complains about the other Burisma board members, such as republican operative Joseph Black, and the former president of Poland, neither have expertise in the natural gas field. Indeed, the former president of Poland says Hunter was not hired for influence with VP Biden, and also says Hunter was an active board member that did good work.
Burisma is not an important company. Ukraine imports 80% of it's natural gas usage, Burisma accounts for only 5% of Ukraine's total gas production (which is only 20% of Ukraine's natural gas usage.)
I see you’re home for the holidays from military school, Greg.
DeleteI suppose your parents see that it isn't doing you a lick of good.
"Now Burisma does not bother me [...] Burisma is not an important company."
DeleteLol. Dembottery in its purest form. My complements.
“they're issuing scratchy jokes about her 13-year-old son.”
ReplyDeleteKarlan’s remark wasn’t intended as a joke, or as mockery. It was not disrespectful. There was absolutely nothing wrong with her remark.
That would be the sane person’s view.
But then there is Somerby, who thinks that a liberal elite has failed again, because the right-wing has twisted her words and her meaning to serve their political outrage machine.
It is utterly illogical, but that’s our TDH!
She shouln't have brought him up. It was dumb.
DeleteWorse, it was a bad joke. That's what was REALLY bad about it!
“It was a bad joke.” She didn’t intend it as a joke. It was an illustration of a point, having nothing to do with the kid.
Delete“It was dumb.” Ok. What was dumb was the phony outrage by Republicans, but what was worse was the pearl-clutching and clucking of the mainstream media that pretends that the outrage is genuine. This is how Democrats and liberals get undermined by the media. Somerby used to point that out. Now, he is doing the pearl-clutching.
6:04 Gets it right. But how many sensible people still read TDH?
DeleteI do.
DeleteShe also clearly intended the reference to be a funny line, a joke.
It wasn't. That's the worst part! So she exposed herself to abuse without getting anything out of it.
"So she exposed herself to abuse without getting anything out of it."
DeleteNext time she'll mind her own business and let Republicans commit their crimes. That should be a lesson to her, which IS something.
Fact is, we live in a TV age. She came across poorly on TV. Joke was dumb and fell flat. Overall, she was condescending as hell and irritated the crap out of me, who was on her side! I liked the UNC guy the best - understated and to the point. Turley was a joke, but this hearing is in a post-truth phase. No voters will change their minds based on these hearings, but they need to be held for the sake of history. In a year from now (2 weeks from now?), no one will remember any of these lawyers. Remember when Trump abandoned the Kurds to get slaughtered, raped, dismembered? All in the distant past now. The news cycle moves on.
ReplyDelete“Every time Professor Feldman opened his mouth, some Trump voter got his wings!”
ReplyDeleteSo, liberal “elites” don’t even need to make so-called scratchy jokes about the President’s kid to gin up Republican outrage; they just need to open their mouths and speak.
Somerby may be on to something here, but it isn’t what he thinks.
I liked Feldman, but his style is offputting to some.
DeleteShall I say it? Too Jewish. Too East Coast smarty pants.
I love it. But I'm also not like very many people.
“Former Playboy model Karen McDougal, with whom President Donald Trump allegedly had an extramarital affair, filed a defamation suit against Fox News on Thursday over Fox host Tucker Carlson’s claims that she had extorted Trump.”
ReplyDeleteI have emailed links to Stormy Daniels’ attorney of TDH posts where our boy Somerby made the same charges of extortion against Daniels.
(Like this one, if you’re wondering, Bob: http://dailyhowler.blogspot.com/2019/03/michael-avenatti-frog-marched-away.html)
In case you're actually serious, McDougal's suit will likely fail because Fucker Carlson is using a vernacular, not legal, definition of extortion.
ReplyDeleteAny suit that Stormy might bring against Somerby will likely fail on similar grounds, not to mention that Stormy is a public figure.
It's funny how Bob will follow the lamest media meme when it suits him. Bitching about any trace amount of wayward civility on the left may be what Bob is how paid to do, in any event, Trump gets the pass he once extended to O'Reilly because he has mental problems, and I guess the pass is extended to everyone who defends Trump.
ReplyDeleteBut the President has made a mockery of civility, acts like he thinks he is king, and so the poor Barron felt the mild graze of a passable half joke. And his offended wife has gone on record as not caring if kids should be shoved into cages.
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ReplyDeleteGood economic news today - for you, dembots, to mourn and squirm.
ReplyDeleteAnother tax break for Trump's Establishment Elite friends?
DeleteAngry old white male CONSTANTLY scoring same-side goals while nauseatingly repeating "we liberals". Hey how about that Zimmerman, eh?
ReplyDeleteIf you mean Bob Zimmerman, he's OK. He's goin' to the end of the line.
ReplyDeleteOne point for the Zimmerman quote. Which you then lose for the execrable blog you like. Where I found this:
DeleteI suspect the Corbynization of the Dems and an America that has Mohammed as the 10th most popular baby name has begun.
The ranking (as reported by CNN) comes from some organization called BabyCenter, which did its own survey. Social Security says that Muhammad was 345 last year.
Well, SocSec doesn't count alternate spellings and maybe 2019 saw an invasion of Islamic babies named Muh*m*d. In any case, fuck that blog and fuck you for endorsing its xenophobia.
And I mean that in the nicest and sincerest way.
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DeleteIslam does intend to rule the world by force, and everybody goddamn well knows it. Scumm like you are traitors to civilization itself.
A little quick on the antisemitism trigger, aren’t you Randy? (Not to mention a little touchy about being called out for adopting the worst of goyishe attitudes.) How do you know I’m not Jewish?
DeleteHere, let me remind you of what you should have learned in Hebrew school and at every Passover seder:
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You’re a Jew and seemingly a כֹּהֵן? What a shande.
Your pseud is apt.
ReplyDeleteThat's what ya got, Randy? A cheap shot about my nym?
DeleteAll you could afford, I guess.
Randy, thanks for admitting that you've got nothing substantive to say and that irrelevant insults are all you need, but really that was obvious from the get-go.
ReplyDeleteMy comments ain't nothin' you have the capacity to respond to with anything else.
And guess how much I care that a numpty like you thinks I'm "shit"?
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