MISSISSIPPI MUDDLE: At the Times, this looks like "cognitive science!"

FRIDAY, DECEMBER 20, 2019

In the end, nobody cares:
Viewed one way, the test scores in question are remarkably good.

Viewed from a different perspective, the test scores are very bad. Since no one actually cares about this, you'll see these test scores reported, and discussed, nowhere else.

Still and all, here they are. These are scores from Mississippi's public schools, and those of the nation as a whole, on the 2019 Naep:
Average scores, Grade 4 reading
Low-income students, 2019 Naep

Low-income black kids, Mississippi: 208.10
Low-income black kids, nationwide: 199.03

Low-income white kids, Mississippi: 223.61
Low-income white kids, nationwide: 215.05
As noted, those are the average scores for fourth-graders from low-income families. For all Naep data, start here.

On the undesirable side, you can see that low-income white kids in Mississippi outscored their low-income black counterparts by more than fifteen points. As you can see, roughly the same "achievement gap" obtains on a nationwide basis.

(By a very rough rule of thumb, ten points on the Naep scale is often equated to one academic year. Also this:

(In these statistics, "low income" is not a synonym for "poverty." "Low income" refers to kids who don't qualify for the federal lunch program. In theory, this includes kids whose family incomes may be roughly double the federal poverty standard.)

Whatever the ultimate story may be, Mississippi's low-income white kids outscored their black counterparts by a substantial margin. Having said that, the apparent good news in those test scores is this:

Within both groups of kids, Mississippi's fourth-graders outperformed their counterparts nationwide, by almost one full year. If these data from the Naep are real, a caring nation would presumably want to know why Mississippi's low-income kids have been whupping their peers nationwide.

A caring nation would want to know that. But as we've noted many times, we don't live in that nation.

This topic arose on December 6 in a New York Times opinion column. Online, the column appears beneath these eye-popping headlines:
There Is a Right Way to Teach Reading, and Mississippi Knows It
The state’s reliance on cognitive science explains why.
Those headlines may be a tiny bit pompous. But they capture the gist of the column.

According to Emily Hanford, Mississippi has been recording impressive score gains in reading because it knows the right way to teach the subject. The state has been relying on "cognitive science," the somewhat pompous sub-headline declares.

(Hanford never uses that term in her column.)

In her column, Hanford describes the "science of reading," adherence to which is letting Mississippi produce large gains in reading. In our view, Hanford deserves a lot of credit for drawing attention to Mississippi's reading scores, but her explanation of the state's apparent success is enough to break human hearts.

Oof! When Kevin Drum reviewed Hanford's work, he was underwhelmed by her theories. In our view, Drum seems to have missed the boat on the overall story here, but we agree with what he says in this passage:
DRUM (12/18/19): It turns out that this “science” of reading is twofold: kids have to learn how to decode letter sounds into words and then they have to understand what the words mean. This doesn’t sound especially revolutionary to me, but what do I know?
We'll go one step beyond what Drum writes, relying in part on this earlier column by Hanford, which we quote below:

Simply put, Hanford says that Mississippi is producing big score gains in reading because the state has told its teachers that they should teach phonics. To the extent that this theory could be true, it's enough to break everyone's heart.

Can it be true? Can it really be true that Mississippi achieved its large score gains of the past six years because it began teaching phonics?

Moving beyond the limited data reported by Hanford, can something else be true? Can it really be true that Mississippi's low-income kids are outperforming their peers nationwide, by almost one academic year, because they're being taught phonics and their nationwide peers are not?

Can that really be true? We give you our answer right here:

If that explains Mississippi's Grade 4 reading scores, we should all go weep in the yard. Because we taught fifth grade for seven full years, we'll call rank on Drum, ever so briefly, for a personal recollection:

We began teaching fifth grade in the Baltimore City Public Schools in the fall of 1969. Phonics was a basic part of the reading curriculum.

It amazes us to think that anyone would try to teach kids to read without making use of phonics. Why would anyone do that?

In fairness, everyone knows that many English language words can't exactly be "sounded out." Consider these one-syllable words, all of which contain -ough as their vowel component:
Five one-syllable words:
bough [bow]
cough [koff]
tough [tuff]
though [tho]
through [throo]
Those words all end in -ough, but the "ough" is pronounced five different ways. You can't really "sound out" words like that—but English crawls with other words which you can "sound out," like mass, pass, grass, class, lass.

Why would anyone try to teach reading without some use of phonics? In her heartbreaking column from last year, conspired to answer that question and proceeded to break all our hearts:
HANFORD (10/26/18): What have scientists figured out? First of all, while learning to talk is a natural process that occurs when children are surrounded by spoken language, learning to read is not. To become readers, kids need to learn how the words they know how to say connect to print on the page. They need explicit, systematic phonics instruction. There are hundreds of studies that back this up.

But talk to teachers and many will tell you they learned something different about how children learn to read in their teacher preparation programs.
Jennifer Rigney-Carroll, who completed a master’s degree in special education in 2016, told me she was taught that children “read naturally if they have access to books.” Jessica Root, an intervention specialist in Ohio, said she learned “you want to get” children “excited about what they’re reading, find books that they’re interested in, and just read, read, read.” Kathy Bast, an elementary school principal in Pennsylvania, learned the same thing. “It was just: Put literature in front of the kids, teach the story, and the children will learn how to read through exposure,” she said.

These ideas are rooted in beliefs about reading that were once commonly called “whole language” and that gained a lot of traction in the 1980s. Whole-language proponents dismissed the need for phonics. Reading is “the most natural activity in the world,” Frank Smith, one of the intellectual leaders of the whole-language movement, wrote. It “is only through reading that children learn to read. Trying to teach children to read by teaching them the sounds of letters is literally a meaningless activity.”
Frank Smith said we shouldn't teach phonics! Here's an impression we took away from a dozen years in and around the Baltimore City Schools—there are a million Frank Smiths out there.

In our experience, instructional fads were constantly sweeping through the public schools. "Whole language" may have been one of the larger of these movements—but later in that column, Hanford proceeded to break our hearts again:
HANFORD: It’s not just ignorance. There’s active resistance to the science, too. I interviewed a professor of literacy in Mississippi who told me she was “philosophically opposed” to phonics instruction. One of her colleagues told me she didn’t agree with the findings of reading scientists because “it’s their science.”

There is no excuse for this. Colleges of education have to start requiring that their faculties teach the science of reading. Children’s futures depend on it.
Good God. According to Hanford, she once interviewed a professor of literacy who was “philosophically opposed” to phonics!

Speaking of literacy, we don't even understand Hanford's account of the statement by that professor's colleague. But so it goes as our vastly limited species struggles to stay afloat.

For ourselves, we find it hard to believe that Mississippi's low-income fourth-graders are outpacing the nation by almost one year because they're being taught phonics and the rest of the nation's kids aren't.

That strikes us as highly unlikely. If it's true to any major extent, it's enough to break human hearts.

This brings us back to the basic structure of Hanford's recent opinion column—an opinion column which featured the kind of information to which you'll never be exposed in a New York Times news report.

Hanford's column involved real information about Mississippi's improving reading scores. You'll never see such information in a New York Times news report. Simply put, the Hamptons-based guild at the New York Times doesn't much seem to care about matters like that.

Judging from appearances, the Times will present the occasional news report or opinion column designed to give readers the impression that it's covering topics like this.

That said, the Times doesn't cover topics like this. We're aware of no earthly sign that anyone at the New York Times actually cares about low-income schools or about the good, decent kids found within them.

Having shared that impression, we're now forced to say this. To our eyes, Hanford's column was so lacking in expertise that it helps establish our overall point about the way low-income schools get covered at the upper ends of our press corps.

To her credit, Hanford did report an intriguing fact—Mississippi's fourth grade reading scores have been on the rise. For the final time, we post the passage in question:
HANFORD (12/6/19): The state’s performance in reading was especially notable...Fourth graders in Mississippi are now on par with the national average, reading as well or better than pupils in California, Texas, Michigan and 18 other states.

[...]

For years, everyone assumed Mississippi was at the bottom in reading because it was the poorest state in the nation. Mississippi is still the poorest state, but fourth graders there now read at the national average. While every other state’s fourth graders made no significant progress in reading on this year’s test, or lost ground, Mississippi’s fourth-grade reading scores are up by 10 points since 2013...
Hanford deserves credit for reporting a type of information which would never occasion a New York Times news report. That said, she displayed a lack of expertise which approaches a lack of competence.

Consider:

A slight understatement: In reality, Mississippi’s fourth-grade reading scores are up by a bit over 10.8 points since 2013. That rounds off to eleven points, not to the ten points Hanford reported.

To appearances, Hanford said the gain was ten points because she only worked with whole numbers in reviewing the state's test scores. She ended up making a minor misstatement, but it stemmed from primitive statistical work.

More significantly:

What we have here is a failure to disaggregate: Hanford only said that Mississippi's kids are now "on par with" the national average. She didn't note a more remarkable fact—once you disaggregate scores in standard ways, both major groups of Mississippi fourth graders are scoring well above the national average.

That's a much more striking fact than the one she reports.

Also this:

The gains in math have been almost as large: In math, Mississippi's aggregate fourth grade score rose by 9.60 points from 2013 to 2019. That's almost as large as the aggregate score gain in reading. Improved reading skills may help boost math scores, but it seems odd to seek a reading-specific explanation for the gain in reading without noting that the score in math has risen by almost as much.

Judged by the slacker standards of the Times, Hanford's presentation was earth-shattering. Imagine! Imagine reporting a gain in someone's Naep scores! All across the mandated gloom of the mainstream press, that sort of thing just isn't done!

Judged by the slacker norms of the Times, this opinion column was loaded with intriguing information. But when we stop grading on the curve, Hanford's column seems hugely underwhelming.

The striking question which remains is the question she failed to bring forward. Why are Mississippi's different demographic groups substantially outscoring their peers nationwide?

A caring nation would want to know, but our nation just isn't like that. Our experts don't even disaggregate scores to see what's going on.

Our upper-end press corps is highly Potemkin. In particular, the New York Times routinely brings a low-IQ approach to the world of our low-income schools.

Graded on the curve, Hanford gets a straight A. Graded by the "rational animal" standard, we're inclined to say that her recent column is enough to break all our hearts.

What's going on in our low-income schools? It's clear that we'll never find out.

Tomorrow: Grade 12 data on the Naep. Also, is it possible that Mississippi's high test scores actually aren't really real?

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  1. “Also, is it possible that Mississippi's high test scores actually aren't really real?”

    Indubitably.

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  2. “It amazes us to think that anyone would try to teach kids to read without making use of phonics. Why would anyone do that?”

    Hanford indicates that phonics instruction fell out of favor in the US. Since this happened after Somerby left teaching more than 40 years ago, it may be amazing to him that this happened, but if he were better informed about current teaching practices, he wouldn’t be amazed.

    If he thinks phonics is important, then he should agree with Hanford that it ought to be taught in schools, rather than looked on as some antiquated, unenlightened teaching method from the old days.

    But his inclination is to find fault with her, because he doesn’t think phonics can explain the success in Mississippi, and just for grins, he wonders if the test results in Mississippi are real.

    It should be noted that Hanford isn’t saying phonics *by itself* is the answer. She clearly says in her recent column that it should be combined with other approaches (she calls it teaching “language comprehension” alongside phonics).

    There is plenty of research suggesting that teaching phonics leads to better reading outcomes, and that the improvement can happen fairly quickly.

    Somerby scoffs at the term “cognitive science” and also the term “science of reading.” But he, like Drum, is a numbers guy, as evidenced by his constant focus on the NAEP, and one would therefore think that he might be interested in scientific research into the effectiveness of various instructional techniques. How else can you know if a technique works, especially if you insist on measuring outcomes using test scores? Why does Somerby think he was teaching phonics back in 1969, if it wasn’t based on a theory of reading instruction, such as the one popularized in the 1950’s book “Why Johnny Can’t Read?”

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    1. Noman, why would you acknowledge that Somerby wrote, “It amazes us to think that anyone would try to teach kids to read without making use of phonics. Why would anyone do that?” and go on to write “If he thinks phonics is important, then he should agree with Hanford that it ought to be taught in schools, rather than looked on as some antiquated, unenlightened teaching method from the old days.”

      You seem to be the one who always has a problem with Bob’s “misogyny,” and will take every opportunity to make it a fact, even though you have to do contortions that would make Linda Blair look like a piker.

      Maybe you’re the anon who likes to name itself after fauna. If you are, then maybe you should start using nyms that describe yourself as flora.

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    2. Leroy, your comment makes no sense. Where did you get anything about misogyny from what I said? That is truly bizarre. The main point I was making about Somerby’s amazement that phonics isn’t being taught is that that is a well-known fact that he should be aware of.

      Why don’t you try actually dealing with the points I raised, rather than inventing criticisms that aren’t there?

      And, by the way, the nym is “Niemand”, not “Noman.”

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    3. Cabbage. That should be your next nym.

      Leroy

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    4. Leroy, did you actually have anything to say about Somerby’s post, or Hanford’s article, or my initial comment, other than insults? What did we learn from Somerby today, in your view? Did you read the linked material and think about it? I made a good faith effort to summarize my thoughts about this important topic and about Somerby’s post, and I did so without insulting him or calling him names. Do you believe Somerby hopes to spur thought and a conversation about this, and do you really think my post was indistinguishable from others accusing Somerby of misogyny? If you are unwilling to even entertain the slightest hint of what you perceive as criticism of Somerby’s post, then you are trying to shut down any discussion at all. Why don’t you offer your thoughts on today’s post, if you have any? Because your responses indicate ... you got nothin’.

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  3. "DRUM (12/18/19): It turns out that this “science” of reading is twofold: kids have to learn how to decode letter sounds into words and then they have to understand what the words mean. This doesn’t sound especially revolutionary to me, but what do I know?"

    If Kevin Drum were to sit down with a child and approach teaching him or her to "decode" words, how would he start? What exactly would he do? Does Drum know what the word "decode" actually means? Or would he fall back on sounding out letters because that's what he was taught as a child?

    There is a science to this that is based on studying how to best and most effectively teach children to decode words. It is based on knowledge about what cognitive processes occur as we read, how the mind works to perceive and attach meaning to symbols such as letters and words, in the context of sentences and outside that context. That knowledge is part of what is meant by cognitive science, and it is an experimental field that relies on scientific method, not theories and fads about education. In fact, it has developed independent of what occurs in Schools of Education. It is an emerging discipline, not an extension of the old phonics that David in Cal remembers fondly.

    But what does Kevin drum know? And what does Somerby know. Not much. But any asshole can have an opinion these days.

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    1. "But any asshole can have an opinion these days.

      Including the shroom-soaked 7:37. Thank Dog you don't have children, but I'm guessing. If you do... Dogspeed to them.

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    3. @7:37 - there's nothing new about trying to apply the scientific method to evaluate various approaches to teaching. It has been done, or attempted, for many years. From other things I have read, my impression is that education researchers have not always done a good job of applying the scientific method to evaluate educational approaches.

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    4. You can't do learning experiments on children for ethical reasons. Research in education is correlational. It isn't right to blame education researchers for a problem that is not their fault.

      Cognitive science evolved out of behaviorist research methods with the addition of cognitive process models that can be tested using experiments that permit inference of processing from observed behavior. You can study how perception works and how language is learned without depriving any children of proper instruction by using lab experiments testing such models. The results are then used to develop teaching techniques based on how people read, not based on theories of education that have little empirical foundation. You figure out how to teach reading by understanding how people read.

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  4. I think Somerby was reticent to suggest that cheating might be the reason. Not student cheating, education administration cheating. What? Never heard of getting copies of a test ahead of time and teaching to specific questions? Happens all the time.

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    1. You can’t do that with the NAEP, for Christ’s sake. Go read up on it. Why do you think they call it the gold standard????

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  6. Anonymous, I don't assume that there was cheating and I certainly don't want that to be the case in anywhere for anybody.

    I don't know if there could be some factor at play that could have skewed the numbers , but that doesn't involve cheating. I don't know what that could be, but I wonder.

    Crediting phonics isn't quite convincing as to such gains. You would expect journos with knowledge and interest to dig deeper than that. At least to articulate the avenues explored before they so throughly credit phonics as not only the thing that led to such such wild success in MS, but THE thing that anyone with sense would know is the reason.

    Somberly isn't dissing phonics, I don't know why that method ever fell into disrepute in the first place, but what happen in MS is too surprising not to be more guarded in making conclusions and certainly too important to default to a notion of untarnishable gold standards.

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    1. Well, if it’s not a gold standard anymore, then Somerby should quit citing it as the gospel in every post about education he writes.

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  7. "Graded on the curve, Hanford gets a straight A. Graded by the "rational animal" standard, we're inclined to say that her recent column is enough to break all our hearts.

    What's going on in our low-income schools? It's clear that we'll never find out."

    Hanford tells us why the NAEP scores increased. Somerby chooses not to believe her. That isn't Hanford's problem.

    What rational human being chooses not to believe things that contradict his own intuition, on the grounds that the facts may be bogus? That is an anti-scientific attitude but very common among untrained people. What distinguishes a scientist from someone like Somerby is that the data takes precedence over cherished beliefs and when the data contradicts such beliefs, the beliefs must yield. This is part of what is meant by "keeping an open mind" in the sciences. When someone is skeptical of data (usually due to methodology), it is incumbent on the skeptic to replicate the study or revise the methods to see the effect on the results. But data is reality, not one's beliefs about the phenomenon.

    In this case, Somerby chooses not to believe the data, even though it is NAEP data and supposedly less susceptible to cheating, and even though there has been a concerted effort to improve teaching and children's learning in MS. He states no basis for his disbelief (except some vague statistical explanation that he has so far not explained). He just knows it can't be so, so he tells the world that MS hasn't improved its teaching and that he thinks (based on what?) that phonics cannot be the cause (even though Hanford says it is the combination of phonics and language comprehension that is important, not decoding alone).

    Somerby is being an asshole. Perhaps he is disgruntled because results in MS contradict Herrnstein & Murray's cherished belief that spending money on black kids is a waste because they cannot learn?

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  13. Hello everyone reading this testimony. I have been rejected by my husband after three(3) years of marriage just because another woman had a spell on him and he left me and the kid to suffer. One day when I was reading through the web, I saw a post on how this spell caster Dr irosi have help a woman to get back her husband and I gave him a reply to his address and he told me that a woman had a spell on my husband and he told me that he will help me and after 3 days that I will have my husband back. I believed him and today I am glad to let you all know that this spell caster have the power to bring lovers back because I am now happy with my husband. Thanks for His great work here is his email: drirosisolutioncenter@gmail.com Or call his number +2348118829771 Contact Dr irosi and get your relationship problem solved.    

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  14. HOW I GOT CURED OF HERPES DISEASE
    I'm here to testify about what DR. OSO did for me. I have been suffering from (HERPES) disease for the past 5 years and had constant pain,especially inside my body. During the first year,I had faith in God that i would be healed someday.This disease started circulating all over my body and i have been taking treatment from my doctor, few weeks ago i came across a testimony of one lady on the internet testifying about a Man called DR. OSO on how he cured her from herpes disease. And she also gave the email address of this man and advise anybody to contact him for help for any kind of sickness that he would be of help, so I emailed him telling him about my (HERPES) he told me not to worry that i was going to be cured!! Well i never believed it,, well after all the procedures and remedy given to me by this man few weeks later i started experiencing changes all over me as DR. OSO assured me that i will be cured,after some time i went to my doctor to confirmed if i have be finally healed behold it was TRUE,the test came out negative. So friends my advise is if you have such sickness or any other at all you can contact DR. OSO for help via email} drosohaberhome@gmail.com or WhatsApp+2348162084839     '''''''''''''

                   here is the DR OSO website.

    https://sites.google.com/view/drosohaberhome/

    His blog page https://drosohaberhome.blogspot.com

    you can also email me for more information about DR oso via smithmorgan2777@gmail.com ALL THANK TO DR OSO .  ```````````````````````

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  15. I want the world to know a great man that is well known as DR Padman ,website: https://padmanspell.com/index-3.htmlhe has the perfect solution to relationship issues and marriage problems. The main reason why i went to DR Padman. was for solution on how i can get my husband back because in recent times i have read some testimonies on the internet which some people has written about DR Padman, and i was so pleased and i decided to seek for assistance, which he did a perfect job by casting a love spell on my husband which made him to come back to me and beg for forgiveness.I will no stop publishing his name on the net because of the good work he is doing. I will drop his contact for the usefulness of those that needs his help.His Email (padmanlovespell@yahoo.com) or his ebsite: https://padmanspell.com/index-3.html Whatsapp +19492293867 https://twitter.com/padman_dr. this great spell caster for your relationship or marriage problem, Once again i am very much grateful to Dr.PADMAN

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  16. I Want To Appreciate Dr.OYAGU for hs great deeds, I Was Diagnosed With type 2 Herpes Virus Last year,And Was Looking For Solution To Be Cured Luckily I Saw Testimonies On How Dr.OYAGU Cure Herpes Virus I Decided To Contact Dr.OYAGU I Contacted Him He Prepared A Herbal Medicine Portion And Sent It To Me,I Started The Herbal Medicine For My Health.He Gave Me Step By Step Instructions On How To Apply It, When I Applied It As Instructed, I Was Cured Of This Deadly Herpes Within 2 weeks, I Am Now Herpes Negative.My Brother And Sister I No That There Are So Many People That Have There Same Herpes Virus Please contact Dr OYAGU To Help You Too,And Help Me To Thank Dr.OYAGU For Cure Me, I’m Cured By Dr. OYAGU Herbal Medicine,His Contact Email:oyaguherbalhome@gmail.com

    Or Cell Whatsapp Number +2348101755322 thank you

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  17. Hello everyone out there, I'm here to give my testimony about a herbalist doctor who helped me. I was infected with HERPES SIMPLEX VIRUS in 2011, I went to many hospitals to heal myself but there was no solution, so I was thinking how I can get a solution so that my body can be well. One day I was in the river thinking about where I can go to get a solution. so a lady walked towards me telling me why I'm so sad and I open everything by telling her my problem, she told me she could help me, she introduced me to a doctor who uses herbal medicines to cure the SIMPLEX HERPES VIRUS and gave me your email, so I sent you an email. He told me everything I had to do and also gave me instructions to take, which I followed correctly. Before I knew what was happening after two weeks, the SIMPLEX HERPES VIRUS that was in my body disappeared. therefore, if you also have a broken heart and need help, you can also send an email to {oliha.miraclemedicine@gmail.com}or whatsapp him number: +2349038382931 or Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/drolihamiraclemedicine/Contact him today and he will have a testimony ... Good luck!
    Dr. OLIHA also cures:1. HIV / AIDS2. HERPES 1/23. CANCER4. ALS (Lou Gehrig's disease)5. Hepatitis B6. chronic pancreatic7. emphysema8. COPD (chronic obstructive pulmonary disease)

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  18. I have to say wholeheartedly I believe Oniha is a gifted individual and gentle in his second nature. I have received the most rewarding and spiritual experience whilst conversing with him on the telephone. I heard and saw an angel in my mind-eye it was so overwhelming. I knew at the moment finally my difficulties were over. He deserves recognition for his power and talents as a beautiful individual who brings spirit close to those in need. I have been touched deeply,nothing has come as close to me before. I am in total awe and have a great deal of respect. Thank you Dr Oniha for reuniting me with my estranged husband. Anyone who needs relationship help should contact this man and he will help you. 
    EMAIL: ONIHASPELLTEMPLE@GMAIL.COM
    WHATSAPP: +16692213962
    WEBSITE: http://onihaspelltemple.com 

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  19. I have to say wholeheartedly I believe Oniha is a gifted individual and gentle in his second nature. I have received the most rewarding and spiritual experience whilst conversing with him on the telephone. I heard and saw an angel in my mind-eye it was so overwhelming. I knew at the moment finally my difficulties were over. He deserves recognition for his power and talents as a beautiful individual who brings spirit close to those in need. I have been touched deeply,nothing has come as close to me before. I am in total awe and have a great deal of respect. Thank you Dr Oniha for reuniting me with my estranged husband. Anyone who needs relationship help should contact this man and he will help you. 
    EMAIL: ONIHASPELLTEMPLE@GMAIL.COM
    WHATSAPP: +16692213962
    WEBSITE: http://onihaspelltemple.com 

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  20. *Herpes is a serious and recurring disease which can't be cured through drugs or injections by the American doctors but the best way to deal with Herpes is by taking natural herbs medicine for it and is only few American doctors that know about this herbal medicine from Dr oliha.. I have read about Dr oliha the great herbalist doctor from African who can cure Herpeewith his powerful herbal medicine. for the people suffering from the following diseases Hiv, Herpes, Cancer, Als,Herpatitis, Diabetes, Hpv,Infections ETC should contact him for his herbal medicine because i am a living testimony and i was cured of Herpes. Although, i sent him what he requested and he sent me his medicine which i took for two weeks and today when i went for test i was tested Herpes negative and he can also cure herpes etc you can reach him through his WhatsApp number:+2349038382931 he will help you out or email oliha.miraclemedicine@gmail.com or https://olihamiraclemedicine.webs.com/ *

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  22. I have been suffering from (HERPES) disease for the last four years and had constant pain, especially in my knees. During the first year, I had faith in God that I would be healed someday.This disease started to circulate all over my body and I have been taking treatment from my doctor, a few weeks ago I came on search on the internet if I could get any information concerning the prevention of this disease, on my search I saw a testimony of someone who has been healed from (Hepatitis B and Cancer) by this Man Dr. agaba and she also gave the email address of this man and advise we should contact him for any sickness that he would be of help, so I wrote to Dr. agaba telling him about my (HERPES Virus) he told me not to worry that I was going to be cured!! hmm i never believed it,, well after all the procedures and remedy given to me by this man few weeks later I started experiencing changes all over me as the Dr. assured me that I have cured, after some time i went to my doctor to confirmed if I have been finally healed behold it was TRUE, So friends my advice is if you have such sickness or any other at all you can email Dr. agaba (dragabasolutionhome@gmail.com) sir I am indeed grateful for the help I will forever recommend you to my friends!!! with your lovely Email Address (dragabasolutionhome@gmail.com or whatsApp him +2349074536486

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