STARTING TOMORROW: From Their Side Now!

MONDAY, MARCH 6, 2023

Taking the David French Challenge: "I've looked at life from both sides now?" 

It's a well-known historical claim.

Joni Mitchell was the first to report this accomplishment. She did so in this famous song from 1966 or 1967, which Judy Collins quickly recorded.

In fairness, Mitchell admitted that looking at life from both sides hadn't been fully successful. 

"It's life's illusions I recall," she admitted at the end of her song. "I really don't know life at all."

Even given that admission, it may be that the time has come to emulate Mitchell's conduct. That brings us to a task we'll describe as The David French Challenge.

We'll base our reading on material found in French's March 2 column for the New York Times. Like others before him, French described a world of poisonous political conflict—a nation in which our "unrelenting mutual political hatred informs our judgment."

Unrelenting mutual hatred informs our judgment—and not in a good way, French says. Here's the part of the hymn within which we've spotted a challenge:

FRENCH (3/2/23): [O]ur nation’s unrelenting mutual political hatred informs our judgment. The group More in Common recently attempted to measure partisan animosity in connection with our cultural conflicts over teaching American history. Its findings were disturbing. America’s most partisan citizens view their political opponents as deeply reprehensible. Overwhelming majorities of Republicans and Democrats view the other side as “hateful,” “racist,” “brainwashed” and “arrogant.”...They see no value in the speech of people they despise. Instead, they see only bad people expressing bad ideas in bad faith.

We’re losing the capacity for empathy. We simply can’t place ourselves in the other person’s shoes. Yet it takes a certain degree of arrogance to presume that we’re so obviously correct that disagreement isn’t just a sign of error but of moral defect.

Even worse, we’re wrong. Our presumptions of our opponents’ views are often simply false. Even as More in Common found unrelenting political hostility between red and blue, it also found that Democrats and Republicans have a “deeply distorted understanding of each other.” In fact, Democrats and Republicans believe that 55 percent of their opponents hold extreme views. In reality, the number is only 30 percent.

"Democrats and Republicans believe that 55 percent of their opponents hold extreme views"—but "in reality, the number is only 30 percent?"

We don't know of any objective way to generate that second statistic. That said, French's portrait of our political culture seems to be on the mark.

It's true! When large numbers of Republicans and Democrats discuss those in the other party, it frequently seems that they "see only bad people expressing bad ideas in bad faith."

Beyond that, people do frequently seem to presume that their tribe's view on some matter is obviously correct—so much so that disagreement on the part of others can only be "a sign of moral defect."

One's own side is plainly correct; the Others are simply "bad people." In French's view, that isn't the way we Americans, red or blue, should let ourselves picture the world.

As a general matter, we think French is right on that general point—but what solution to this problem does French suggest? Continuing, he offers this:

FRENCH (continuing directly): How can we end this cancel culture? Switch the presumptions. Rather than beginning with the idea that our opponents are evil people who express evil ideas, operate with a rebuttable presumption that our political foes are decent people expressing heartfelt thoughts in good faith.

In French's view, we shouldn't "begin with the idea that our opponents are evil people who express evil ideas." Instead, we should "operate with a rebuttable presumption"—with the presumption that "our political foes are decent people expressing heartfelt thoughts in good faith."

A key word there is "rebuttable." French isn't saying that we'll end up thinking that all our foes are decent people. We'll still be allowed to have people we hate, but we'll train ourselves to avoid hating tens of millions of unknown people live and direct from the jump!

Does French's presentation make sense? Should we operate with a (rebuttable) presumption that our political foes are decent people expressing heartfelt thoughts in good faith?

For ourselves, we tend to agree with French's view. In effect, he has issued a challenge:

He has challenged Americans, red and blue, to consider the possibility that people who disagree with them may have a reasonable motive for the ideas they express.

Meanwhile, who knows? It could turn out that some of those others even have the occasional germ of a valid point!

At this juncture, full disclosure! In a political realm of blue and red tribes, we ourselves always vote with the blues.  In that sense, French is issuing this challenge to us:

He's challenging us to imagine the possibility that people who belong to the red tribe may in fact be "decent people expressing heartfelt thoughts in good faith."

Imaginably, such people may even be reacting to some shortcoming in the general views of our own blue tribe! To some tiny extent, it could turn out that their complaints about our tribe are reasonable, sensible, valid!

So goes The David French Challenge. For those of us who vote with blue America, we're being challenged to consider the possibility that members of red American may have some valid observations or concerns.

Starting tomorrow, we're going to take that challenge! In fact, we're going to start a lengthy attempt to find the possible merits in various red points of view.

We're going to try to see the world as the red tribe sometimes does. In effect, we'll be trying to look at life From Their Side Now.

Is it possible that red voters have some valid perceptions or complaints? Is it possible that Our Side has even been a tiny bit wrong on occasion?

For many years, it has seemed to us that our own blue tribe is much too self-impressed. We can easily spot the evil in Others, but we can't see the flaws in ourselves.

It also seems to us that this behavior may tend to harm blue interests. When we can't see the flaws in our own behaviors and points of view, this tends to harden the tribal division which makes national progress impossible.

At this difficult juncture, French has issued a challenge. We've decided to take the challenge—even to heighten its terms:

With apologies for our language, we're going to start with the dumbest public figure who's currently part of red tribe politics. Also, with the way one of our own Pulitzer winners recently chose to characterize that public figure's most recent dumb remark.

The dumbest person among the Others made a dumb remark. Is it possible that her dumb remark, however dumb, stemmed from a valid set of concerns?

Also this:

Is it possible that our own tribe's reaction to her remark was dumb, and possibly ugly too? Is it possible that we actually harm progressive interests when we react in such ways?

Starting tomorrow, we'll be looking at life From Their Side Now. Is it possible that "life's illusions" have somehow managed to worm their way inside our own tents too?

Tomorrow: Just like Lester Maddox!


44 comments:

  1. "Starting tomorrow, we're going to take that challenge! In fact, we're going to start a lengthy attempt to find the possible merits in various red points of view."

    Somerby has been doing this years, not as an act of empathy but of persuasion. The approach suggested by French is similarly a tool for persuasion. Teachers already know that the way to encourage students to change their own views is to assign them to write an essay espousing an opposing position.

    I have no interest in learning why Republican think and behave as they do, and I will not participate in such an exercise. Nor should Somerby be foisting this upon us any more -- our goal is to encourage more people to vote Democrat, not to turn some of us into Republicans. No sane liberal would be proposing this.

    Instead, I am going to increase my donation to the ACLU, because they are the ones who will challenge the batshit crazy efforts of people like DeSantis, to disenfranchise not just voters but those with opinions on blogs in FL.

    Ask yourself why Somerby, a purported liberal, is now advocating a change in opinions at the behest of the newest Republican opinion writer at the NY Times.

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  2. "The dumbest person among the Others made a dumb remark. Is it possible that her dumb remark, however dumb, stemmed from a valid set of concerns?"

    How can we possibly speculate about this when Somerby doesn't name any names? There are so many people who fit this description. This coy teasing of someone who Somerby may never get around to discussing is one of Somerby's most annoying tactics.

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    1. Somerby is probably talking about Marjorie Taylor Greene, since that is who Dowd discussed last week, and Somerby still owes us a column about Dowd based on last week's promises.

      Do I think MTG has valid concerns? No. Not even when she invokes "the children". This is the woman who harrassed the young Stoneman Douglas high school shooting survivor by shouting at him and getting in his face (to tweet video of her actions) as he walked down a public street. She doesn't care about kids.

      But it is predictable that Somerby would defend right wing wrongdoing this way. He is just laying the groundwork today -- telling us why he thinks it is OK to defend miscreants. His justification is that he is trying to walk a mile in their shoes. But to what end?

      This is the time when we need to defend liberal values that are under attack, not defend the right's attempts to harm others. Nothing Somerby can say will convince me that she is a wayward good person who is just misguided in her choice of battles to fight on behalf of children. She sends around pictures of herself posing with AR-15s. She shoots pigs from helicopters. There is nothing Somerby can say about her.

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    2. This is not genuine concern but demagoguery:

      "U.S. Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene (R-GA), a far-right Christian nationalist extremist, kicked off her speech at the Conservative Political Action Conference (CPAC) Friday morning by telling the room filled with many empty seats that the left is “coming for our children,” in her hate-filled, lie-filled, fear-mongering, anti-LGBTQ speech portraying her cause as virtuous because, she preached, “our God is bigger.” That God, she promised, would help her pass anti-transgender legislation that “will make it a felony to perform anything to do with gender-affirming care on children.”

      “The left has told us something that should put fear in the heart of every parent,” Greene said as she began her speech. “Not just parents – every single person.”

      “They said they’re coming for our children,” Greene declared.

      “I think the Republican Party has a duty. We have a responsibility, and that is to be the party that protects children,” her speech continued.

      Greene again falsely claimed that Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelenskyy said “he wants our sons and daughters to go die in Ukraine,” which is the exact opposite of what he said. She attacked the San Francisco Gay Men’s Chorus for “literally singing we’re coming for your children,” referring to a 2021 “tongue in cheek” song the group received right-wing death threats over because it advocated for teaching children to love and “not to hate.”

      She did not offer any other examples where “the left” said they are “coming for our children.”

      "But Greene did launch an extensive rant targeting transgender children, calling their desire for love, acceptance, support, and some, for gender-affirming medical treatment, “evil,” and “the new, disturbing ideology that tells the most incredible lie, that children can actually change their gender before they’ve even grown up, before they’ve even finished puberty. before they’ve developed into an adult, before they’re old enough to vote before they’ve they’re old enough to graduate from high school, before they’re old enough to even get a tattoo put ink permanently on their skin, before they’re old enough to buy nicotine before they’re old enough to buy alcohol before they even graduate from high school, many of them before they drive a car.”

      She called medical experts who support transgender children a “billion dollar industry that mutilates the genitals of children” and claimed “they have a target, or should I say a victim?”

      Describing transgender children and teens as “confused,” Greene told her audience, “everyone knows that when you’re growing up, I mean, think about it. How many times did you say when you’re a kid you wanted to be a fireman or a doctor or a police officer. You wanted to be something when you’re an adult, but when you grew up, you became something else.”

      Rather than offer support for transgender children and teens and their families, Greene repeatedly called them abused “victims” and said many of them “have diagnosis of autism, mental illness, they have depression, they have anxiety, they have psychosis. Many of them live in foster care. So they already have lived lives of abuse. And these victims come in thinking they’re going to find happiness and they’re going to find security in their identity because they think they can change their gender. These boys think they can become girls. These girls think they can become boys,” as she described gender-affirming surgery that almost never takes place on minors.

      Greene announced her bill, the Protect Children’s innocence act, which she said “will make it a felony to perform anything to do with gender affirming care on children.” She boasted it would pass because of God.

      “Our God is bigger. And our God, our God is the God that created us man and woman in His image, He created us in our God is the God that created our children. And because of him, we will get this bill passed and the Republican Party will be the party that protects children from such an evil that I cannot believe it exists in this time."

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  3. If Joni Mitchell and Judy Collins could not know life at all after looking at both sides, why does Somerby suggest that we engage in that fruitless task?

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  4. Somerby is confused about this. He seems to be trying to look at our tribe through the eyes of red voters, to criticize our views. The song is suggesting that he look at red voters' views through red voters eyes, in order to stop criticizing them. Somerby has always done the former, whereas French is suggesting the latter. So what is Somerby going to do? He is going to criticize us blue voters from the red perspective, not try to show us how red voters feel about their own politics. And that is a profoundly mixed up way to follow French's advice. One that is not necessary since that is ALL the red side every does. Attack the left from a right-wing point of view.

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  5. French said: "Yet it takes a certain degree of arrogance to presume that we’re so obviously correct that disagreement isn’t just a sign of error but of moral defect."

    Actually, we on the left are presuming that moral defect is a sign of moral defect, not disagreement.

    What is that moral defect? It is the ability to feel nothing when children are separated from parents at the border and kept in cages, never to be reunited with their families. That is moral defect. It is the willingness to put asylum seekers on a plane and fly them to a freezing cold place in the dead of winter without proper clothing. That is moral defect. It is putting felons who have completed their jail sentences back into jail for attempting to vote, in a state where felon voting rights have been restored, leaving it to the courts to release them again, as part of a political stunt. That is moral defect. It is denying women the right to determine their own health care, even under threat to their own lives. That is moral defect. It is cutting SNAP and other food and shelter aid to the poor, for political reasons. That is moral defect. It is permitting a proven liar to make a mockery out of serving the people in Congress, an office of responsibility for the well-being of all in our nation. That is moral defect.

    Somerby wants to tell us to set aside our own morality to countenance the evil done by those on the "other side" as if this were just a matter of political disagreement. But good decent people do not set aside their morals for petty reasons. It is most important now, when there are folks doing immoral things in the name of politics, that we hold onto our own morality. Somerby's own moral flexibility doesn't surprise me. But I am not willing to follow his lead when it would mean abandoning those at risk because of the right wing's malfeasance. No thank you.

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  6. "Our presumptions of our opponents’ views are often simply false."

    Oh, dear. You, dear Bob, need to consider your side's "views" one day.

    Wimmin trapped into men's bodies, and all that. And then try to look us in the eye, and tell us that your side's "views" aren't totally dumb.

    ...yes, try it one day, dear.

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    1. This raises a good point. If the right wing isn't interested in developing empathy, what good is it for the left to do so? It has generally been our strength all along, but this has all been explored in game theory. If we yield but the other side does not, we lose big time. And where is any suggestion that the right might engage in win-win mutual understanding? There is none. That makes us saps. And why is Somerby working so hard to talk us into adopting a one-down position, instead of working on the right to engage in their own empathy-building? French is a Republican. Somerby is telling us to follow his Republican pied piper down a path to abandonment of our own morality. How does that help anyone in this world?

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    2. Mao’s obsession with “woman’s trapped in Men’s Bodies”, whatever the hell he
      Is talking about, does suggest he’s
      a self loathing gay man.

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    3. Mao is gay, but let’s cut him some slack, he lives in an area where they want to wipe out the very existence of gay people. Don’t take his nonsensical rants personally, they’re not an attack on anybody, it’s a cry for help.

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    4. You have to take pity on Mao, he's been a lost puppy since Rush Limpdick passed.

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  7. I keep trying to think of a Republican voter who doesn't love fascism, and I keep coming-up blank. Do you think Bob could help?

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    1. When did Bob Somerby become a miracle worker?

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    2. We don't know what he did on that brief trip, but I agree with those who suggest he had a gig at CPAC, or at least a meeting with his handler.

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  8. I just read the new C.J. Box book (Storm Watch) and it is a series of right wing conspiracy theories disguised as a novel. The Sovereign Nation is portrayed as an FBI sting operation, Chinese professors are spies for China, crypto-mining is not a scam, all the good decent residents of SaddleString are having left wing ideas foisted upon them, the Democratic governor is corrupt, cancel culture against Steve-2 denied Joe Pickett his IOU money (earned in the last novel), Sheridan is virginal at 24, and the deep state is after Nate Romanowski.

    This tells me that the righ wing genuinely believes its conspiracy theories and holds a deeply cynical view of the left, has no desire to change anything about itself, and sees guns as the way to solve problems. I could put myself through school on the number of mentions of Geronimo's three-barrelled shotgun. Box's shift from fiction to propaganda started about two novels ago. I gave him a chance by buying this newest book, in the hopes that feedback might change his direction, but I won't buy any more.

    Something is wrong when novelists, who rely on a broad audience for sales, decide it is better to just let it all hang out politically. Somerby might say that this is how C.J. Box sees the world, and that he perhaps feels as upset as I do when watching a film with a liberal world view, but my response is that there is no similarity between portraying people and situations who exist in real life and those that are born out of right wing fever dreams. The FBI is, if anything, biased toward the right and not an arm of the deep state trying to put innocent former special ops guys in prison. The University of Wyoming is not a hotbed of communist spies (the Chinese govt isn't even communist any more).

    We must choose reality because choosing the crazy only leads to dysfunction and we cannot afford to bring our worst game to climate change, more pandemics and whatever else is down the road for our nation.

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    1. Sounds like he wanted to call it Storm Front but was worried about copyright infringement.

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    2. Box changed Sovereign Citizen movement to Sovereign Nation, then kept saying in his book that Sov. Nation didn’t exist except as an invention of the FBI, but the Sov. Citizens certainly do exist and have been violent.

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    3. Right wingers do not believe their own nonsense, they have no ideology, just an undying need for dominance.

      They never define their positions, and they constantly flip flop; they are wounded people with no compunction about weaponizing anything that will give them some sense of dominance.

      Somerby writes today that French has no evidence for his claim, and then immediately turns around and says French’s claim is on the mark. Amazing stuff, but really just par for the course, typical right wing flailing.

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  9. Here is another reason why the right does not have a legitimate point of view. This is CNN's Bakari Sellars, via The Root (a black newsletter):

    "People often ask me if Ron DeSantis is a modern-day white supremacist. There’s a line from Andrew Gillum that speaks to that. “I’m not calling Mr. DeSantis a racist. I’m simply saying the racists believe he’s a racist”.

    What I can say for sure is that the Republican governor of Florida is using racism as political currency, something very similar to Donald Trump and very dangerous. DeSantis learned that leaning in to his close ties with Trump was a winning strategy during the 2018 race for governor against Andrew Gillum.

    And now what we’re seeing, due to his actions, are these culture wars. Whether it’s pulling back on African American studies, recreating our history (and destroying it through the process), attacking who we are, where we come from, and what we’ve been through, all of it plays to the base.

    But DeSantis’ problem is that he won’t be able to pivot back if he wins a general election. I firmly believe he is Icarus, flying too close to the sun. I don’t think he debates well, and I don’t think he can take a punch from Donald Trump. But what he is going to do is make it very, very difficult for people of color to support him or the Republican Party because of the fact that he’s using racism to build his base.

    DeSantis Versus Trump

    DeSantis is a very little man, literally and figuratively, compared to Donald Trump. He’s afraid of debating Donald Trump because of the sharp elbows that come with it. But I think they both understand that the fringes of the party – those who utilize racism to make their political considerations and decisions – are part of a base that he could build and grow, and that’s the aim that he’s taking.

    DeSantis isn’t trying to be Donald. He’s just trying to be “Donald-like.’’ Here’s the thing, I don’t think he can win the nomination. Donald Trump is going to be the nominee, because all he needs is one-third of the Republican party, and there’s no question that Donald Trump still has that third.

    Now, Here’s Why DeSantis is Trying to Stop Our History From Being Taught

    It’s personal, cultural and political. DeSantis is afraid of the power that we have when we learn our history and where we’re from. There’s nothing more dangerous than a smart intellectual Black man or Black woman. I think he’s intimidated by that. But he also realizes it’s a cultural issue that wins in the Republican party.

    So how do we stop DeSantis or someone DeSantis-like from continuing to do what he’s doing?

    Racists are always gonna be racist. And since the election of Trump, people have found out that using racism can get you elected President of the United States. The irony is that people always get on me about playing the race card when that’s all they do. But here’s what I believe, DeSantis is a fad and unfortunately racism is not."

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    1. When Somerby asks all of his readers to empathize with the right, how does he imagine that his black readers will be able to put themselves in DeSantis' shoes and consider themselves to be a threat, the way DeSantis does? No amount of imagination is going to stretch that far. And if black readers cannot do that, the rest of us should be unable to consider it too. Because that is what being a race ally means.

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  10. I don't want to be able to empathize with this:

    "Darrell Ehrlick, Daily Montanan March 04, 2023

    A white nationalist group appears to have taken credit for etching Nazi symbols on an outdoor recreational area managed by the Bureau of Land Management and named after a prominent Crow leader

    The BLM confirmed that it is investigating graffiti carved into the Four Dances area, which is located approximately three miles south of Billings. The Big Sky Active Club said on its Gab social media account: “BSAC went on a hike and etched our message in stone. Tribe up or die.”

    Big Sky Active Club is a group linked to white supremacists.

    The carving showed a swastika with the number 14/88, a popular white supremacist symbol that refers to the “14 words” slogan and 88, a numerical reference to the “Heil Hitler” chant used by Nazis and other hate groups, according to the Anti-Defamation League. A second set of carving shows the “SS” lightning bolts. "

    Read more: https://www.rawstory.com/four-dances-recreation-area/

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  11. I don't empathize with this either, largely because I have relatives in the health care industry:

    https://nomoremister.blogspot.com/2023/03/future-plagues-brought-to-you-by.html

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  12. Meanwhile, Cubanx continue to support Republicanx.

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    1. @1:27 Do you understand why that is?

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    2. They’re obviously not good decent people.

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    3. What's the point of pretending Republican voters care about something other than bigotry?

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    4. Biden got 52% of the Latin vote in Florida, compared to Trump’s 47%. For Cubans, it was 56-41 in Trump’s favor, but Cubans only make up 6% of the votes in Florida. Puerto Ricans went for Biden 68-31. Biden’s share of the latin vote in Florida went down significantly over Hillary, this was due to an increase in Republican male Latin voters, not from latin voters switching parties.

      Since 1980, Dems have increased their share of the Latin vote, and Repubs have slightly decreased.

      Cuban Americans are largely exiles or descendant of exiles from the Cuban dictatorship overthrown by Castro. Many are resentful of anything to the left of Reagan. The US spent billions on Cuban handouts to help them settle here; spent zero on latins from other areas.

      Even so, generally speaking and considering the context, Republicans have only been able to maintain a moderate lead among Cuban Americans, one that will likely become more tenuous as newer generations come to the fore.

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  13. French says "In fact, Democrats and Republicans believe that 55 percent of their opponents hold extreme views. In reality, the number is only 30 percent."

    I think that 30 percent is a huge number. I would have thought that it was more like 5% back in the 1950s. It has grown steadily since then, until it seems like the extremists dominate the communication of the other (eliminating moderate voices) and making it appear that all of the others are extreme.

    For example, the extremist Trump so dominates the Republican party that no one will speak against him. Even moderates are called RINOs and Republicans have to leave their party to express non-Trump views.

    A version of this happened in my academic department back when Hillary was running against Obama for the nomination. Nearly all of my colleagues were for Obama and I felt I could not support my preferred candidate, Hillary, without jeopardizing my chances for tenure and making colleagues unhappy with me. So I kept quiet. I didn't want to dampen the enthusiasm others felt for Obama but I don't see why I couldn't express my own enthusiasm for Hillary without being considered racist.

    But the differences between Hillary and Obama are trivial compared to the ones between Biden and Trump. I can fully understand why someone supported Obama but I cannot understand at all how a good decent person could ever support Trump, much less still support him after what he has done.

    I suspect that French is not being honest in his column. The gulf is wider because the differences are greater, and they are no longer about differences of opinion but about more fundamental values.

    Like it or not, our society is diverse. Those who cannot handle diversity by tolerating others are attempting to control and censor. That isn't going to work because it is fundamentally opposed to our democratic freedoms. That's why the efforts of the right are being perceived as autocratic and fascist -- they are actually attempts to exert control over others who are expressing their diversity. Even if the autocrats win, the diversity will not be going away, because it is inherent in people's identities. So, can we stand back and allow DeSantis and others to trample the rights of citizens? I say no. The right seems eager to see that happen. If the right wins, we lose our freedom.

    French cannot change this situation by wailing "can't we all just get along?" At least, not when he wishes to blame the left and not just the right for intolerance. Opposing dictatorship is not a matter of tolerance of right-wing foibles. It is sticking up for the rights of all.

    French's formulation is troubling. It strikes me as attempting to sell the left a bill of goods. If we don't buy, will we then be called a problem and addressed using Somerby's style of name-calling? I don't think we should participate in that game.

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    1. Hardening partisanship actually hurts the right, which is why Somerby is critical of it. It serves progress by forcing the right to admit and adhere to their toxic stances instead of muddying the waters with “nuanced” takes that are actually just perpetually moving goalposts.

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  14. What President challenged America to
    look at both sides? To consider Fox or
    MSNBC for a few days even if they
    are not your go tos?
    That would be my sides President,
    Barack Obama. What he got for his
    trouble was a “disordered” maniac
    who tried to seize power forever, and
    didn’t miss by that much.
    The peace at all cost lobby may
    turn out to be right, but as things now
    stand it’s a deeply amoral position,
    as it involves treating good if only
    human people as if they were on
    parr with obviously evil human
    beings like Trump and his enablers.
    When you square the circle in that
    fashion, the line between crook
    and enabler is very fine indeed.

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  15. "I would add another virtue to the list above: truth. The road to a more empathetic and just society is also paved by an accurate understanding of our neighbors. With exceptions, they are not monsters, their views aren’t rooted in malice, and we should extend the same grace to the good faith expression of their ideas that we seek for our own."

    French is right that we need to consider truth, but he is wrong when he suggests that we do not have a true picture of the beliefs of others. The disagreement over truth concerns the facts of our lives, not the beliefs of others. Is it true that covid originated in a Chinese lab? French's idea that because a govt agency said so with "low confidence" that might be true, is ridiculous in terms of factual accuracy. Nor are black people truly a hate group that white people should avoid, as Scott Adams suggested. Scott Adams has a very loose connection to reality on many other subjects too -- maybe French doesn't know that. So, these are two poorly selected examples, in my opinion. When the people who French wants to call well-meaning go a step further and behave badly to Chinese Americans or blacks because of their mistaken beliefs, they are stepping on the rights of others. That is why their mistaken extremist beliefs cannot be tolerated. They cause harm, damage to innocent people. So, those beliefs need to be corrected, not encouraged, so that people won't do bad things to people because of them. Beliefs lead to actions, if only voting for the wrong people (such as Trump or MTG) who then go on to damage our nation.

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    1. French says people should be extended grace because of their lack of malice.

      There is a chapter in the novel Black Beauty, where the horse is ridden to fetch the doctor, then put away wet and heaving without proper care. Black Beauty then suffers a serious health crisis because of the ignorance, not bad intentions of her rider. The damage to the horse was no less severe because of the rider's intentions, lack of malice.

      I read that story as a child and it was an important lesson -- to behave properly so that my actions did not hurt others, because it is acts, not intentions that count in this world.

      French should acknowledge that hurting black people via bigotry, without malice, is still harm and the people hurt are no less injured because of it. Scott Adams may sincerely believe bad things about women, but does that give him the right to portray women badly in his Dilbert series? Stereotypes against women are part of what has held them back so long. He has arguably harmed the women he has portrayed. Is that OK because he was sincere in his hate?

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  16. Which side is more capable of self
    reflection, or holding its views in a
    “Live and let live” sort of fashion?
    The left, obviously.

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  17. It sounds like Somerby is trying to use that famous empathy on the left against us.

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  18. From Digby:

    In developing the energic conception of libido and separating it from Freud’s sexual definition, Jung makes possible the explanation of interest in general, and provides a working concept by which not only the specifically sexual, but the general activities and reactions of man can be understood.

    If a person complains of no longer having interest in his work or of losing interest in his surroundings, then one understands that his libido is withdrawn from this object and that in consequence the object itself seems no longer attractive, whereas, as a matter of fact, the object itself is exactly the same as formerly. In other words, it is xxviiithe libido that we bestow upon an object that makes it attractive and interesting.

    The causes for the withdrawal of libido may be various and are usually quite different from those that the persons offer in explanation. It is the task of psychoanalysis to discover the real reasons, which are usually hidden and unknown. On the other hand, when an individual exhibits an exaggerated interest or places an over-emphasis upon an idea or situation, then we know there is too much libido here and that we may find as a consequence a corresponding depletion elsewhere.

    This leads directly into the second point of difference between Jung’s views and those of Freud. This is concerned with those practically universal childish manifestations of sexuality called by Freud “polymorphous perverse” because of their similarity to those abnormalities of sexuality which occur in adults and are called perversions.

    Jung takes exception to this viewpoint. He sees in the various manifestations of childhood the precursors or forerunners of the later fully developed sexuality, and instead of considering them perverse he considers them preliminary expressions of sexual coloring. He divides human life into three stages. The first stage up to about the third or fourth year, generally speaking, he calls the presexual stage, for there he sees the libido or life energy occupied chiefly in the functions of nutrition and growth, and he draws an analogy between this period and that of the caterpillar stage of the butterfly.

    The second stage includes the years from this time xxixuntil puberty, and this he speaks of as the prepubertal stage.

    The third period is that from puberty onward and can be considered the time of maturity.

    It is in the earliest stage, the period of which varies greatly in different individuals, that are fully inaugurated those various manifestations which have so marked a sexual coloring that there can be no question of their relationship, although at that time sexuality in the adult meaning of the word does not exist.

    Jung explains the polymorphism of these phenomena as arising from a gradual movement of the libido from exclusive service in the function of nutrition into new avenues which successively open up with the development of the child until the final inauguration of the sexual function proper at puberty. Normally these childish bad habits are gradually relinquished until the libido is entirely withdrawn from these immature phases and with the ushering in of puberty for the first time “appears in the form of an undifferentiated sexual primitive power, clearly forcing the individual towards division, budding, etc.”

    However, if in the course of its movement from the function of nutrition to the sexual function the libido is arrested or retarded at any phase, then a fixation may result, creating a disturbance in the harmony of the normal development. For, although the libido is retarded and remains clinging to some childish manifestation, time goes on and the physical growth of the child does not stand still. Soon a great contrast is created xxxbetween the infantile manifestations of the emotional life and the needs of the more adult individual, and the foundation is thus prepared for either the development of a definite neurosis or else for those weaknesses of character or symptomatic disturbances which are not sufficiently serious to be called a neurosis.

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    1. Ahh, Digby. She one of those Lefties, bigots warn us about.

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    2. Digby is (1) female, (2) a better writer than Somerby, (3) has won awards for blogging, (4) didn’t have to sell out to Russia or Trum or no-labels bothsidesists to stay in business.

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    3. Digby is fine, but why is she getting free advertising from the spam troll?

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  21. Here is TDH shaving the gall to claim, "Imaginably, such people [the republicans] may be reacting to some shortcomings in the general views of our blue tribe! To some tiny extent, it could turn out that their complaints about our tribe are reasonable, sensible, valid." What other reaction can there be to such a comment that utter outrage?!? Like was the case with Dreyfus, who was paraded in a public courtyard before the French troops and stripped of his medals, the same should be inflicted on TDH, he should be publicly stripped of his liberal membership card and ousted from the democratic party. It probably would be going too far to say that he should be drawn and quartered, but I can understand if that's what many of the astute commenters here might secretly feel would serve justice.

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    1. I’m sure the Nazis had some reasonable complaints about the Social Democrats during the Weimar Republic. What’s your point?

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