Today, we have the comic relief!

SATURDAY, MAY 6, 2023

A remarkable twenty-two minutes: For today, we'll restrict ourselves to the comic relief. We'll start at the outset of a remarkable 22 minutes of pseudo-discussion on modern-day "cable news." 

We refer to a 22-minute segment on yesterday's Deadline: White House—the segment which started at 5 o'clock sharp and continues till 5:22. 

During that remarkable segment, Nicolle Wallace and four guests discussed, or at least attempted to discuss, certain aspects of Donald J. Trump's videotaped deposition in the ongoing E. Jean Carroll lawsuit trial. 

We're not sure we've ever seen a segment which illustrated a basic anthropological fact with such startling clarity. We refer to the general inability of human beings to observe even the simplest points of logic in matters where preferred tribal Storyline compels them to do something different.

The logical bungling during this segment was truly astounding. As you can see thanks to the Internet Archive, the discussion—anthropologically, it was an "imitation of life"—started exactly like this:

WALLACE (5/5/23): The twice impeached, disgraced, indicted ex-president, on video and under oath, is where we begin the hour with some of our favorite reporters and friends

Wallace proceeded to introduce her four guests. For the call of the roll, see below. 

Wallace and her favorite friends proceeded to produce one of the most instructive cable news segments we have ever seen—and we don't mean that in a good way! For today, though, we'll restrict ourselves to the comic relief.

In the brief passage we've posted, Wallace engaged in two of her favorite incantations. 

On the one hand, she engaged in the embarrassing statement that her guests had been drawn from among "our favorite reporters and friends." But she also indulged herself in a standard incantation about Donald J. Trump, a variant of which she had employed just two minutes earlier.

As this segment began, Wallace had played a brief clip from Trump's deposition. Then, she'd offered this:

WALLACE (5/5/23): Hi, everyone. It is 5 o'clock in New York. This is the front-runner for the Republican nomination for president...That is part of the newly released deposition of the disgraced, twice impeached, once indicted ex-president doubling down under oath...

Wallace loves the reassuring ritual in which she produces a string of notes about Donald J. Trump's disgrace.

Three of her ritual notes about Trump are, of course, factually accurate. He was impeached on two separate occasions, and he has been indicted once.

It's also factually true that Trump is an ex-president. The claim that he has been "disgraced" is, of course, a subjective assessment—an assessment more than a hundred million voters may be asked to address next year.

Three fourths of Wallace's incantation is factually accurate. The comic relief, and perhaps the strangeness, come from the way she feels the need to repeat the incantation, over and over again.

Mental health experts say they're reminded of abandoned children, in fictional texts, assuring themselves that things will turn out O.K. 

Other experts use the term "propagandization." To our eye and ear, the first group of mental health experts seem to have it more right.

However accurate their assessment may be, we'd also have to say this: this incantatory, performative "tick" does in fact, through its obsessive nature, provide something resembling comic relief. 

In this instance, Wallace produced her incantation at 5:02 p.m., then again at 5:05. It was part of a 22-minute segment in which Wallace and her guests behaved in ways which defy belief—but for today, we'll limit ourselves to the comic relief one can extract from this bit of ritual conduct.

How frequently does Wallace avail herself of the programmed reassurance conveyed by her ritual statement? Let's return to Monday's Deadline: White House, which had the analysts tearing their hair during one excruciating sequence.

Nicolle Wallace, Deadline: White House, 5/1/23

On this day, the Deadline program began in a highly unusual way—with a lengthy interview which didn't directly involve the desire to send Trump off to prison.

Wallace interviewed Fred Guttenberg, whose 14-year-old daughter lost her life in the Stoneman Douglas mass shooting incident.  The interview, about Guttenberg's new book, consumed the first 36 minutes of the Deadline program.

Finally, it was time to start discussing the twice impeached, once indicted, disgraced ex-president. What followed in the next 25 minutes, with time out for three commercial breaks, has sometimes been described as a case of incantation gone wild:

WALLACE (4:37 p.m.): Next, we turn to the investigations into the twice-impeached, once-indicted ex-president. Could special counsel Jack Smith be considering wire fraud charges as part of a criminal conspiracy into the events surrounding January 6? 

New reporting suggests that it's a question worth asking. Just ahead.

WALLACE (4:42 p.m.): That was the moment the January 6 committee  exposed the disgraced ex-president and his 2020 campaign for raising $250 million by duping their own supporters—by convincing them that they were fighting election fraud that they knew never existed.

WALLACE (4:56 p.m.): When we come back, it was another day in the rape and defamation trial against the twice impeached, once indicted ex-president.  E. Jean Carroll on the stand once again. Don't go anywhere! We'll be right back.

WALLACE (5:02 p.m.): Meanwhile, the defendant in the case—the twice impeached, disgraced, and now indicted ex-president—has not appeared in court and does not appear like he will do so, at least over the next few days. Currently, he is in Scotland.

The ongoing rape trial brought by E. Jean Carroll against Donald Trump is where we begin the hour with some of our favorite reporters and friends.

So it went as Wallace kept returning to her favorite incantations. For the Internet Archive, click here.

Blue tribe viewers, please! During that 25 minutes, Wallace snuck in three commercial breaks, totaling roughly ten minutes. But in the fifteen minutes at her disposal, she returned to her incantation about Donald J. Trump on four separate occasions.

Eventually, this led to the latest introduction of "our favorite reporters and friends."

Some scholars see those incantations about Trump as the self-affirming self-reassurance of a frightened child. More generously, we prefer to view them as "found humor"—as a form of comic relief.

Yesterday, starting at 5 o'clock, the incantation was offered twice in rapid succession. What followed was an astonishing pseudo-discussion about the deposition of the twice indicted, once impeached, disgraced and former president.

We're willing to dismiss the incantations as a form of comic relief. By way of contrast, yesterday's attempts at discussion involve us in pure anthropology—in anthropology all the way down.

For the record, Donald J. Trump strikes us as a deeply disordered person. On Monday, we'll try to walk you through the stunning array of bungled claims made by Wallace and her favorite reporters and friends during yesterday's segment.

Never was heard a discouraging word. One baldly absurd interpretation was piled upon another.

Everyone agreed with everything everyone else had said. Such are the rules in this antique realm, where ancient instincts prevail.

Wallace calls the roll: Yesterday, at 5 o'clock, the call of the roll proceeded:

WALLACE (5/5/23): The twice impeached, disgraced, indicted ex-president, on video and under oath, is where we begin the hour with some of our favorite reporters and friends. 

Legal analyst and MSNBC host Katie Chang is here. Also joining us, Maya Wiley, former assistant U.S. attorney, now the president of The Leadership Conference on Civil and Human Rights.

Charlie Sykes is back, he's the editor at the Bulwark, and New York Times investigative reporter Suzanne Craig is here.

Plainly, it was a highly credentialed group of favorite reporters and friends. Come back on Monday to see what they said, all of you who dare.



62 comments:

  1. Not enough "self-admitted sexual predator" and "money launderer for criminals and foreign nationals" for my taste.

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  2. So Wallace’s preferred description of Trump is “twice impeached, disgraced, and now indicted ex-president.”

    And Somerby’s is “deranged, mentally ill, deluded.”

    To each his own.

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    1. And every word of Wallace's favorite litany is true.

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  3. "The claim that he has been "disgraced" is, of course, a subjective assessment—an assessment more than a hundred million voters may be asked to address next year."

    Actually, no, the word disgraced is not subjective and does not depend on the voters. For one thing, it is no disgrace to lose an election. Someone will have to lose, or it isn't an election.

    disgrace definition: "loss of reputation or respect as the result of a dishonorable action"

    Trump has absolutely lost respect among Republicans and only continues to have the respect of his die-hard MAGAs. He lost respect after 1/6 and after the hearings. He lost respect after claiming to own the classified documents he stole. He lost support of Republican women following the Stormy Daniels indictment and is disgraced by the E. Jean Carroll trial -- not solely among Democrats but among his own supporters.

    Whether Trump wins reelection or not may depend on political or economic considerations. We have seen that Trump will be supported by the right no matter what he does, because they don't respect him to begin with, but only hope to benefit from his administration. Just as no one really respects Marjorie Taylor Greene or Ron DeSantis, but many Republicans see them as advancing Republican interests.

    So, yes, Trump is disgraced and that is not a subjective judgment, nor is it one that can be settled via election results. Somerby's belief that there are no longer behavioral norms is ridiculous. People know who and what Trump is and only the MAGAs who don't are out of touch with reality still believe Trump is a larger-than-life hero.

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    1. That said, I think we should run Kennedy against Trump in 2024. Who would vote for a Biden or Trump when you could vote for Kennedy?

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    2. Kennedy is already committed to running as VP with Ramaswamy.

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    3. I think Kennedy is a really good idea.

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    4. The one from MTV?

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    5. For God's sake only thing Kennedy has are lucky sperm club and asinine antivax lies for decades. He once was an impact full environmental lawyer, but those days are long gone.

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    6. His speech was really good. I think we need to listen to him.

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    7. It’s interesting to consider who Kennedy would take more votes away from. My guess would be not a lot from either. Same if they run the bimbo from Fox News.,

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    8. 4:04, who do you mean by "we"? You and the GRU?

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    9. 627 p.m. that's literal McCarthyism. You're employing one the lowest political tactics of them all. Why would you have to do that? How could you do that? As a liberal, how could you employ McCarthyism?

      This is why we have come to and we have to change it.

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    10. @7:57 says that because no one else would be foolish enough to support RFK so this must be a stunt or an attempt to sabotage the election (Russia funded) like Tulsi Gabbard’s candidacy. Calling that Mc Carthyite is beyond ignorant.

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    11. Just listen to RFK's speech. This is the kind of rhetoric that resonates with Americans right now!

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    12. What, does he say the CDC was worse than Nazi Germany again?

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    13. The use of McCarthyism is scary.

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    14. It’s been less than a month since Robert F. Kennedy Jr., the environmental lawyer turned anti-vaccine conspiracy theorist, announced that he would challenge President Biden for the Democratic nomination in 2024—yet already he has assembled a bizarre, crackpot coalition of fascists and anti-progressive leftists who are united in a desire to see the American system burn.

      Given that Kennedy’s candidacy could weaken Biden and strengthen Donald Trump, it’s no wonder far-right figures have embraced him. Alex Jones praised him as a “good man,” Infowars listener Steve Bannon posited that he would make an “excellent choice” as Trump’s running mate, and Tucker Carlson gave him a fawning interview on the final night of his now-canceled Fox News program, calling him “one of the most remarkable people” he’s ever met. Kennedy returned the favor, calling Carlson “breathtakingly courageous” and, in a signal to his conspiracy-frenzied supporters, even speculating that his appearance on Carlson’s program was the reason for the host’s termination.
      https://newrepublic.com/article/172253/lefties-who-love-robert-f-kennedy-jr

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    15. This article reeks of propaganda. It's more McCarthyism. They don't talk directly about what Kennedy stands for but instead draw associations between him and others that are supposed to scare us. We really have to look out for this kind of stuff these days. It's gotten us where we are now.

      No, listening to Robert Kennedy does not make you an unloyal Russian. It does not make you an unloyal Democrat. It makes you an American citizen, a voter,

      We all have to realize that our party, the Democratic party has become a very scary home for Mccarthyite bullies. The question you're loyalty if you don't fall completely in line with everything they wish you too.

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    16. Everyone should listen to what Kennedy says. Laughing and pointing, without doing so, is un-American.

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    17. You don't have anything at all interesting to say. You made politics your religion. You just repeat dogma. You're a religious sheep.

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    18. God is a figment of dim-witted imaginations.

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    19. 7:48, are there "loyal" Russians also? Jackass.

      The article is an opinion piece, using facts to support the writer's opinion. Not meant to be a dispassionate both sides article with no point of view.

      McCarthy wasn't all wrong, you know. We did have a lot of stupid useful idiots spying for the Soviet Union. However, your comparison to McCarthyite tactics is not really accurate.

      I don't see anyone trying to blacklist Kennedy. I do know with high degree of certainty that Trump represents a clear and present danger to our nation and I see Kennedy being promoted by the likes of Steve Bannon as a definite warning sign.

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  4. "The comic relief, and perhaps the strangeness, come from the way she feels the need to repeat the incantation, over and over again."

    Just as Somerby keeps repeating his incantation that various people are good and decent. And the woods are lovely, dark and deep. Surely Somerby understands the purposes of repetition -- and they have nothing to do with humor.

    Is Somerby so desperate for anything to criticize Wallace for that he seizes on something so trivial? Why would Somerby, a supposed liberal, object to Wallace reminding people that Trump has been twice impeached and indicated and is disgraced (as surely a man who is about to be convicted of rape must be considered)?

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    1. Of course Somerby does not mention this fascinating interview of Trump in the next segment: https://youtu.be/ues8ycOxXKM

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    2. Well said.

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    3. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7VZorgEhAGU

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  5. "Mental health experts say they're reminded of abandoned children, in fictional texts, assuring themselves that things will turn out O.K. "

    This is a lie. Somerby just pulled this out of his ass. There are no mental health experts saying this about Wallace. If there were, Somerby should quote them or provide a source. Making things up like this is called disinformation. Somerby's intent is to discredit Wallace and he is making things up in order to do it, while pretending there is humor involved. This is just a mean-spirited attack on Wallace.

    Mental health experts say that Somerby is doing this because he resents it that Wallace has friends while he does not. It reminds them on children who have imaginary friends (like Somerby's analysts) to avoid their own loneliness. I just made this up myself and it is about as plausible as Somerby's made up attack on Wallace.

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    1. Then Somerby says:

      "Some scholars see those incantations about Trump as the self-affirming self-reassurance of a frightened child. "

      So, those mental health experts have mutated into scholars. Somerby isn't picky about what kind of fake authority figure he invents to support his made up assertions. He doesn't consider any actual expert to have expertise -- they are all fakes and frauds in his opinion so why not make up false statements to be attributed to them.

      This is an example of the right-wings misuse of post-modernism, the belief that there is no actual truth, that everything is made-up, that all knowledge is subjective and shifting and unreliable and self-serving, etc.

      In the real world, someone who is doing what Somerby does today is called a liar with no respect for the truth or for his readers. It is not funny -- it is an insult to our intelligence. And Somerby is being an asshole in support of Trump, attacking a female cable news host who is doing her job as she sees fit, without any basis. If she is actually bad, he should be able to mount some real criticism, but he either cannot find any or is too lazy to describe his real beef with her. I suspect it is only that she is attacking Trump and it is Somerby's job to protect dear leader.

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    2. Funny how Bob finds no compassion for Wallace as he (without evidence or expertise) claims She is “disordered.”

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  6. "So it went as Wallace kept returning to her favorite incantations."

    At least part of that incantation is necessary in order to differentiate Trump, the ex-president, from Biden, the current and real president. Is Somerby aware that there are still die-hard MAGAs who consider Trump the rightful president and take pleasure in referring to him as President Trump? Wallace is the other side of that coin.

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  7. If Somerby is not a Trump supporter, why does it irritate him so much when Wallace rubs Republican noses in the face that Trump is finally having his comeuppance?

    Liberals find it reassuring, a relief, that the justice system is catching up with Trump, because it shows that no one is above the law. Many of us are taking pleasance in Trump's disgrace, his fall, his need to account for his crimes.

    Somerby pretends that this is humor, but I get the sense that he is upset because Wallace is reporting the truth about the disgraced ex-president. It seems to me that Somerby and his friends on the right are the ones who dislike having their fake reality challenged, their comforting fantasy that Trump will win in 2024 and everything will be OK once again.

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    1. "If Somerby is not a Trump supporter, why does it irritate him so much when Wallace rubs Republican noses in the face that Trump is finally having his comeuppance?"

      Because Somerby thinks media should report accurately and fairly, even when their heart is in the right place.

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    2. Wallace is not a reporter. She is a pundit and analyst. Did Tucker ever report anything accurately or fairly, much less objectively? Get real. Wallace is the soul of onjectivity compared to anyone on the right. Repeating Trump’s crimes makes them no less true.

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    3. " Did Tucker ever report anything accurately or fairly, much less objectively?"

      I don't know, because I didn't watch Tucker. I assume you didn't watch him either, so you don't know.

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    4. I saw enough to know it didn’t matter what he said on the days I didn’t watch.

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    5. Comparing Wallace to a stereotype of some despised group is not a good way to debate. It's like:

      "However bad my side is, we're a lot better than those people."

      "Those people" can be Carlson, or MAGAs, or white supremacists, but "those poeple"can also be Jews or blacks. It's a faulty argument, no matter which group is referenced.

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    6. Wallace and Carlson did the same TV job. Carlson is who Somerby should criticize, not Wallace, who is an angel compared to him.

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    7. No one was talking about Jews when they compared Wallace to Tucker and his friends on Fox.

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    8. Tucker Carlson is not a "stereotype", that's asinine.
      He is the most popular cable news personality in your Magat Land. If you didn't watch Tucker, David, why did you come here and recommend that the readers here should watch him?

      What precisely did Wallace say that was not accurate or fair, David? I don't believe that has been explained yet.

      David is a stickler for truth and accuracy, you know. That is why he voted for the biggest lying sack of shit on the face of the earth, TWICE.

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    9. 7:29,
      Wrong. David in Cal voted for Trump for the same reason any Right-winger voted for Trump: They were turned-on by Trump's bigotry.

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  8. "For the record, Donald J. Trump strikes us as a deeply disordered person. On Monday, we'll try to walk you through the stunning array of bungled claims made by Wallace and her favorite reporters and friends during yesterday's segment."

    The pro forma assertion that Trump is disordered, followed by a promise to attack Wallace, because that is what Somerby considers to be the better use of his time.

    Why would someone disordered and yet running for president be given a bye, in order to make trivial complaints about how that disordered ex-president is being accurately described by a single cable news host?

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  9. The second amendment is evil.

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  10. Incantations is an offbeat* yet compelling, if not acquired taste, 1978 album of the musical genius Mike Oldfield. Ah the 70’s, when music was good.

    As it turns out, Oldfield is a right winger, even so, still beloved by those on the left, that’s how we roll. Tubular Bells, Ommadawn, Crises, Five Miles Out - so good!

    As it turned out years ago, Somerby too is a right winger, but has the misfortune of having lost what modicum of talent he once had.

    Mental health experts do not assess those like Wallace in the way Somerby describes; however, we do have a mental health expert, one heralded by Somerby, that has made an assessment of Republicans:

    Dr Bandy Lee says that Republicans are sick with Trump Contagion, that they suffer from a pathology that keeps them in survivor mode such that reasonable persuasion has no effect, that they are putting our country in a death spiral.

    Huh! Wonder why Somerby no longer touts Dr Bandy Lee’s expertise.

    Furthermore, Somerby’s reaction to Trump’s corruption being repeatedly called out, is to find it humorous! Turns out Trump isn’t the only one disgraced.

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  11. Republicans should support statehood for Puerto Rico and the District of Columbia.

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  12. Republicans are evil.

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  13. Any reason why Wallace didn't note that Trump has an Adderall addiction?

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  14. Republicans routinely destroy their own children’s lives through mental and physical abuse, yet falsely conflate a clump of cells with a human being and impose a demand that all must follow their backwards and backwater notions on denying bodily autonomy.

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  15. Right wingers are evil.

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  16. Lots of good comments about Bob’s shameless drivel here. To ad an obvious point: Wallace’s redundancy is there for a reason: to stress that Trump’s grotesque presence normalized freakish things we have now come to take for granted, without proper consideration. Ponder, for instance, the reaction to President Biden deciding to have The Democratic Convention next year at the White House, and note what has barely been remarked upon.
    Wallace tries to invite the viewer into a circle of friends and tells us they are great people. It’s corny, but it’s how a lot of these shows are formatted these days. Bob should check out “The Five.” Or “Fox and Friends” which invited Trump himself on in this fashion for years. But Bob has to make special rules for Wallace, I guess She just isn’t his type.

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    1. Think about though, what Dr Jordan Peterson said on his podcast.

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    2. Wallace has to keep repeating her incantation, because former president chickenshit has no shame, none. It needs to be rubbed in the faces of his magat base at every opportunity.

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    3. Yes and we all know Bob NEVER repeats himself.

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  17. We live in a giant spiral galaxy.

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  18. Come check out Miss Fanny Clapper!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7VZorgEhAGU

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  19. Another mass shooting in the USA.
    Looking forward to those in a position to do something about it, offering the ultimate in virtue-signaling (thoughts and prayers).

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    1. The second amendment is evil.

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    2. Republicans are sick and twisted.

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  20. It turns out Clarence Thomas is an even bigger piece of shit than we thought he was.

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  21. “She didn’t have a face”, says man who encountered victim of shooting in Texas.

    Thoughts and prayers.

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  22. Somerby's essay today is not anyone's idea of comic relief.

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