WEDNESDAY, DECEMBER 20, 2023
Red and blue headed for war: "This whole trial is out of order," Al Pacino famously said.
The same could be said, perhaps hyperbolically, of our flailing nation's political / journalistic order.
This morning, we'll walk you through a pair of examples. This afternoon, we'll try to tell you what we saw on the Fox News Channel last night—and we'll provide the links which will let you watch for yourself.
For this morning, a pair of manifestations:
Disappeared at the Times once again:
Has this been a practice all along? This morning, the New York Times has done it yet again!
In its online editions, the Times has disappeared an important news report—a news report which sits atop the front page of its print editions.
In print editions, the news report appears in the upper left-hand corner of this morning's front page. It sits beneath a pair of headlines. That dual headline says this:
Many Voters See Criminality But Support Trump Anyway
Indictments No Obstacle Among G.O.P., Poll Show
As we noted yesterday, so too here:
The report emerges from a recent New York Times / Siena national survey. In our view, that second headline overstates the findings of this survey, but few people are likely to give a flying fig about that.
This news report does exist online, but readers of the New York Times are unlikely ever to see it. As was true yesterday, so too today:
This news report doesn't appear among the listing of articles at the Times' "Today's Paper" website. If they work from that site, people who read the Times online won't know that this news report even exists.
So too for readers who peruse the paper's second major website, nytimes.com. There too, we can find no sign that this news report even exists.
In print editions, it sits atop the Times front page. Online, it has essentially been disappeared.
This is the third time we've seen this pattern at the Times in recent weeks. Have we failed to notice this peculiar practice on other occasions? At some point, we'll attempt to check back through earlier editions of the Times and let you know.
As for today's disappeared report, you can peruse it here. We found it in the bowels of the Times by using the paper's search engine—by searching on the name of its principal writer.
If you read the print edition of the Times, the report sits atop page 1A. If you read the Times online, here's the key nugget you'll almost surely miss:
GOLDMACHER ET AL (12/20/23): Mr. Trump’s primary lead has swelled since the summer, even though the share of Republicans and Republican-leaning independents who believe he engaged in criminality rose to 27 percent from 17 percent in July. Mr. Trump is leading not only because he dominates among the large share of Republicans who see him as innocent, but also because he is winning one in three Republican voters who think he engaged in serious criminality.
According to that account of this national survey, 27 percent of "Republicans and Republican-leaning independents" believe Trump has committed a crime. (As you can see at this link, the survey question specifically asks whether Trump has committed "a serious federal crime.")
For the record, only 22 percent of Republican respondents answered in the affirmative. For the record, something like 78 percent of Republican respondents said they do not believe that Trump has committed some such crime.
According to the Times account, Trump is winning one-third of those Republican voters. That would be one-third of the 22 percent.
That doesn't strike us as a giant number. On that basis, it seems to us that the headlines in the print edition overstate the sweep of this finding.
At any rate, this news report tops the front page of the Times—but only in print editions. Online, readers have no obvious way to know that this news report even exists. This seems to be a very strange and yet recurrent pattern.
Trump removed from the ballot:
Yesterday, the Colorado Supreme Court ruled that Candidate Trump cannot appear on that state's ballot next year.
This decision, perhaps hyperbolically, strikes us as insane. On this morning's Morning Joe, everyone lauded the decision until Walter Isaacson finally showed up
Isaacson finally showed up at roughly 7:15 Eastern. Speaking as politely as possible, he said that he regards the decision as insane.
Tomorrow, we'll be able to show you the precise words Isaacson said. Meanwhile, will the decision be upheld when it reaches the Supreme Court?
Will the decision be upheld? We did jot down what Isaacson said on that point:
"I wouldn't be surprised if it [the ruling] is unanimous."
For ourselves, we have no way of knowing what the Supreme Court's ruling will turn out to be. Regarding the way our red / blue "cable news" culture now works, we couldn't help noticing this:
Today's Morning Joe program began with a lengthy discussion of this topic. All four guests in the program's initial hour agreed that the ruling was great.
Three of the guests were these:
George Conway: Back in the day, Conway joined forces with Ann Coulter, serving as one of the "elves." According to Conason and Lyons, the elves were "an informal group of conservative attorneys" who wanted our political discourse to center on the alleged "distinguishing characteristic" on President Clinton's private member.
That doesn't mean that Conway is dumb, because, of course, he isn't. He wouldn't necessarily be our first choice for balanced political / cultural judgment.
David Frum: When he was working for President George W. Bush, Frum was hailed as the author of the catchphrase, "axis of evil"—the catchphrase which helped lead us into our disastrous war in Iraq.
That doesn't mean that Frum is dumb, because of course he isn't. We will note this:
Back in late August, Frum wrote a lengthy Atlantic piece saying that any such ruling would be a disaster. (Among other problems, "It would become a dangerously convenient tool of partisan politics.")
This morning, Frum misleadingly finessed that earlier position away. Our "cable news" tends to be like that.
Mike Barnicle: We're so old that we can remember when Barnicle begged Candidate Gore to stop contesting the Florida vote in December 2000 because Barnicle's grandchildren couldn't stand the suspense.
That doesn't mean that Barnicle is dumb, because he certainly isn't. In fairness, his statement had him perfectly aligned with the mainstream press of that time.
None of those "cable News" voices are dumb. That said, we were struck, as we watched Morning Joe, by the collection of Never Trumpers upon whom blue tribe ConsensusThink now relies.
In our view, it's to their credit that Conway and Frum have emerged as Never Trumpers. For the record, tens of millions of voters disagree with our view about that. We regard those voters as neighbors and friends, and of course as fellow citizens.
In our view, our nation is lunging today toward a more open version of political war—toward a type of national war no one can actually win. That's happening today as a group of four (4) Democratic-appointed judges rule that Donald J. Trump can't appear on their home state's ballot.
In our view, it's much as Elvis predicted:
It seems to us that our warring and segregated red and blue tribes are aggressively lurching toward a very blue, blue Christmas.
We'll discuss the merits of the Colorado ruling tomorrow. For today, we'll close with this:
In our view, Isaacson—like everyone else, Einstein included—wasn't able to make Einstein easy in his otherwise fascinating 2007 biography, Einstein: His Life and Universe.
In our view, Issacson couldn't make Einstein easy. It seems to us that he got the Colorado ruling right when he appeared on today's Morning Joe..
That said, we close today with our basic question:
Al Pacino famously said that a whole trial was out of order. Can the same thing be said, perhaps hyperbolically, about our disintegrating national culture?
Under current journalistic arrangements, red and blue are kept far, far apart. Does this practice have us hurtling toward a blue, blue Christmas? Also, and quite important:
What comes after that?
This afternoon: What we saw on the Fox News Channel
Tomorrow: What was an insurrection or rebellion?
The Times is just pointing out that Republicans don't support the Constitution (they probably can't read) and don't really care about law and order when it come to the orange jesus.
ReplyDeletePeople like the above who thumb their noses at people because they feel scared of how they might vote are the reason it is so easy to smear actually intelligent people trying to help.
DeleteA college graduate who only read two books he already agrees with is not more sophisticated than a loser who doesn't read anything.
The book "What's The Matter With Kansas" explains this well.
Anon's fear of Other woll never let him ready it. While he calls everyone else stupid, his party might just lose to a clown again.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Half-life_of_knowledge
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/What's_the_Matter_with_Kansas%3F_(book)
DeleteThink how dumb most liberal women are.
DeleteNot dumber than you. Better trolling please.
DeleteSorry, Eve, but this sentence makes no sense:
Delete"Anon's fear of Other woll never let him ready it. "
They are vegan.
DeleteWoll = will
DeleteReady = read
I'm sorry for the typos I try my best on the phone but it doesn't show the sentences in paragraphs as I type them so I miss some spelling and syntax errors
Try proofreading before posting. We all have problems with phones but there are ways to correct them so that others can understand what you are saying.
DeleteBefore states and modernity, our lives were simple, we kept most of our earnings from trade and farming and gave some to the elders. Today the upper class people flatter themselves that they are such elders and demand respect. Musk, Roger Ailes etc. They ran away with all the money.
DeleteIn order to keep this power, they tell very pleasant lies that we're all one big family and if people would stop demanding rights things will settle down. This is the so called "conservative" view but it is part of the larger political discourse now. Liberals split along this line into Progressive and Conservative sympathies, "the center and hard left." Forget the rest of the country who don't know what to label themselves and don't vote at your own risk.
The rich may pretend to be upset with the status quo. They manipulate people's own powerlessness to sympathize with the anger of useless identity politics against progress itself - White supremacy and sexism are identity politics, segregation now segregation forever is the mantra. And they pretend they're cutting through to something "hyper real " but remember who wanted MLK dead: their white supremacy forefathers.
That's what Trump means when he says he likes the beautiful volk and the organic side of fascist ideas. Fascists see the writing on the wall for intellectual conservatives and turn life into a sport of hoodwinking the angry rabble like us. They want us to be upset for the wrong reasons and conservatives who vote Blue liberal are intelligent but only to a point, the white moderates that MLK warned about. Temperance is not a condition of justice, rather it's the product of those who fight and created a new language to will it into the society and power structure. Suburban people in upper middle class privilege might turn out for elections but they get so emphasized we signal to the rest to wait for a savior or don't vote. Trump sells himself as this savior, a buffoon bluffing.
Conservatives today are so radical they're willing to sound like justice fighters to get elected. But it's a scam. They're pretending. And liberals who play into their hands by calling them bums and stupid proletariat are enabling the big lie the State helps women over men and black over white, immigrants over native.
Every time a Democratic voter calls someone a dumb hick this feeds the narrative that the Republicans are the party of the people and the party of Lincoln and emancipation. Trump is a tantrum thrown by middle class America on behalf of false conservative consciousness , he is a cultural riot of chaos and anger that hasn't found direction except what is useless to direct it at. He is the leader of Americans castrating themselves in the name of courage. Thi is why this blog is useful and plays referee. Nobody else does this.
We don't have to choose between class power and cultural politics, we can walk and vote at the same time. This is what Bob needs to learn.
"Musk, Roger Ailes etc. They ran away with all the money."
DeleteAlso: Soros, Bezos, Gates, Zuckerberg, Bloomberg, Winfrey.
The world has been deteriorating since the assassination of Julius Caesar.
DeleteActually, it has been warming.
DeleteThe problem is liberal women.
ReplyDeleteHow many women of either party are mentioned in Somerby's essay today? Does this represent full participation by women in our nation's politics to you?
DeleteThank you for pointing out this problem, but the problem also seems to be conservative women too, the lack of either (or perhaps Somerby is unable to find them, just as he cannot find a news story and concludes it must have been "disappeared").
I would put the figure more on liberal women.
DeleteLiberal men need to find a way to get their women to put a lid on it.
How can women shut up if they aren't even talking? How many women are quoted in today's essay?
DeleteIf you are hearing imaginary women, you need to ask your shrink to up your meds.
Ask Tara Reade what she thinks about liberal men and you might not be so pleasantly surprised.
DeleteTara Reade told lies about Biden. She may be sorry now, for all you know.
Delete
DeleteTara Reade is funded by Russia via Iran and Qatar. Somerby is no liberal.
I am Corby.
She seemed like a mentally confused and unstable person, someone to be pitied if she hadn't caused so much trouble for other people.
DeleteBiden lied.
DeleteNo, Tara Reade lied. And now you are lying. How do we know? She lies a lot.
Deletehttps://abcnews.go.com/Politics/prosecutors-open-probe-biden-accuser-tara-reade-lied/story?id=70899704
The right has been trying to rehabilitate her credibility in order to smear Biden. That's what they do.
DeleteTara Reade's real name is Boris.
I ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ Joe Biden.
Somerby is no liberal.
I am Corby.
Einstein never pretended to make relativity easy. He clearly said the reader would need to know some mathematics and to do some work.
ReplyDeleteIf only Einstein voted then we would only elect socialists. Hence the propaganda machine keeping people dumb.
DeleteMaybe he voted after he became a citizen.
Deletehttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_views_of_Albert_Einstein
Delete"Indictments No Obstacle Among G.O.P., Poll Show"
ReplyDeleteSo the people who think Hunter Biden not paying his taxes makes him smart, aren't concerned with indictments?
Knock me over with a feather.
I only read the online edition of the NY Times and yet I saw that article that Somerby says we online readers will never see. I think Somerby is a bit confused about how technology applies to news stories.
ReplyDelete"This decision, perhaps hyperbolically, strikes us as insane."
ReplyDeleteThis is Somerby's reaction to the exclusion of Trump from the CO ballot by the state's supreme court. It is no accident that Somerby has juxtaposed an article about Republicans not caring whether Trump has committed crimes or not, with his own lack of caring whether Trump was leader of an insurrection or not himself.
Meanwhile, I actually live in CO and I am proud of my state for enforcing the law on Trump, something that should have happened a long time before he was nominated in 2015, given that his pattern of fraud in his businesses has included massive lawbreaking throughout his career (and that of his father, who was prosecuted several times).
The idea of voting for someone like Trump should have been ludicrous to both Republicans and Democrats back in 2016, yet Hillary was called a criminal (for doing nothing wrong) while Trump was applauded for his tax evasion, deadbeat treatment of creditors, and similar wrongs.
Somerby shows the bankruptcy of his own values today. We in CO respect character and seek honesty in politicians. That's why Boebert nearly lost her House seat in a solid red district last year, to a Democratic challenger. She now has a Republican challenger too and will be out on her ear shortly. The rest of the nation should do the same with Trump.
Bob's argument isn't to think of the poor Donald's feelings over Hillary, it's that he sees this as a bad chess move.
Delete"chess game"
DeleteSomerby, like the mainstream media, thinks the battle to preserve the representative democracy we live in is a game.
The idea of voting for Trump seemed ludicrous to most of us in 2016, but after years of insanity, the last such example the Colorado ruling, we'll vote for him even if he's sitting in prison. We don't think Democrats are legitimate participants in our democracy. They say words like "democracy" but we know from observing them for some time that they have no interest in such a quaint notion, and are interested only in imposing their increasingly bizarre agenda by any means. If you are an "out group" they want you dead or imprisoned. And guess what? If you're white, heterosexual, Jewish, Christian, or male, you're an "out group." They are certifiably insane, so here we find ourselves recognizing that Trump is the lesser of evils and it is no longer even close.
DeleteWho cares?
DeleteVote for the small-government Republicans, who are taking women's reproductive rights away and suppressing the votes of minorities, and leave us totalitarian Democratic Party alone.
Polls report that 25% of Republicans are saying they will not vote for Trump if he is convicted of a crime. Trump cannot win with diminished Republican support -- the numbers are not there.
DeleteNo Democrats are calling for the death or imprisonment of white, heterosexual, Jewish, Christian or male people for having those traits. But you do illustrate the effect of Republican disinformation on its Fox News audience. Either that or you are trolling. If Trump goes to jail, it won't be because he is white, male, heterosexual, and he is not Christian or Jewish, but because he has committed crimes, was tried by a court and/or jury and sentenced for those crimes.
"If you're a white, heterosexual, Jewish, Christian, or male, you're an "out group."
DeleteHow's it feel? Does it give you a sad? Do you think no one is hearing your cries in the dark?
Relax. Breathe deep.
I understand they only want you to be the out group for the same number of years , anyone who wasn't a white, heterosexual, Jewish, Christian, or male, was an out group.
Seems fair, to me.
11:59,
DeleteBummer that you didn't speak out when Obama killed Osama bin Laden, just for being a Muslim. I'm not sure why you expect Muslims to ride to your rescue now, when you hung them out to dry then.
Obviously, Bin Laden was killed for the terrorist Trade Towers bombing, not for being a Muslim.
DeleteThe trolling here has reached a new low. Have the real trolls gone home for the holidays leaving you dregs still at work?
Yes.
Delete12:22,
DeleteDon't get caught-up in bin Laden's rhetoric. He made some jokes about attacking the U.S., and some people took him serious. Same thing with Trump and his rhetoric about winning the 2020 Presidential election.
Ironically, they are both known for telling it like it is.
Better trolling please. This is silly, even for you guys.
DeletePolls of Hispanics say liberal women talk too much.
DeleteCite one.
DeleteThe troll at 11:52 has been trolled into silence.
Delete#agreewiththem
"Under current journalistic arrangements, red and blue are kept far, far apart. "
ReplyDeleteSomerby says this after describing the never-Trumpers on Morning Joe. Those never-Trumpers are all Republicans appearing on a show that Somerby keeps calling liberal news (MSNBC).
If Somerby had complained because MSNBC had nothing but Democrats appearing to discuss Trump's current woes, his statement about red and blue being kept far far apart might make some sense. But this list is all red, all Republicans, but the ones who have never thought Trump was fit to hold office in the first place. Yes, those kinds of Republicans do exist. Appearing on mainstream news (not a red channel like Fox, where they are not welcome) does not make these guests any less Republican (red).
Being able to quickly decide who you would invite to dinner versus who you wouldn't tells you almost nothing about the real world.
DeleteWhat if I refuse to join a labor union or voting interest because I might want to invite my conservative Never Trump boss and his wife to dinner one day?
Good intentions and the goodness of goodness are different things.
???
DeleteMorals are reduced to who you would have dinner with? Is that how the right thinks about such things. It would explain a lot.
DeleteJesus dined with tax collectors and sinners.
DeletePeople voted for George W. Bush because he would be a fun guy to have a beer with.
DeleteRepublicans need different criteria for choosing who to vote for, in my opinion.
Red and blue are far far apart because the right wing keeps offering its voters unsuitable candidates -- people like Santos, MTG, Gaetz, Boebert, Mike Lee, Mark Johnson, Tuberville, and on and on. These are nut cases who don't know how to govern at all, much less govern for the people.
ReplyDeleteAt some point tomorrow, Somerby needs to discuss the problem of Clarence Thomas who has been bought and paid for by the Republican billionaire establishment, and whether he is fit to make any decision at all on Trump's eligibility given that he fomented an insurrection in order to stay President. It doesn't matter that the insurrection failed, but that it happened at all. But Thomas seems unlikely to be able to make a fair decision about this matter, given his own corruption.
Will Somerby discuss this? Probably not.
Somerby supported Roy Moore's right to molest children.
DeleteTake your crowns, fellas . The first people to use their heads in a long time in this comment section.
DeleteThe worship of tolerance over justice creates weird tortured souls who bend over backwards for wicked people in the name of peace
No justice, no peace!
Ginni Thomas was fucking involved in the insurrection plot, for chrisakes. But don't expect Thomas to recuse
DeleteI smell my fingers and publish word-salads, every 5 minutes.
I am Corby.
Of course you do, and so do your chums, Dogface, Cecelia, AC/MA, Hector, and the rest of the fanboys.
DeleteThe real Corby used a nym. Where is yours?
@11:41 AM
DeleteEarned your five rubles, Boris? Via Iran and Qatar? Go buy some vodka now. Somerby is no liberal.
I am Corby.
Where's your nym? Corby always used a nym. It said "Corby". Otherwise you wouldn't have anyone to pick on.
DeleteYou don't have a nym, but we all know you are Boris, Boris. Somerby is no liberal. My finger smells funny.
DeleteI am Corby.
If you are being called a Russian troll from a troll farm, the best defense is to call everyone else Russian trolls so that folks will get confused, throw up their hands and not worry about you. But there ARE Russian trolls here, even at Somerby's modest blog, and a lot of money is being spent by Russia to put Trump back in office. The investment is trivial compared to what it would cost militarily to vanquish the USA. This way Putin gets intelligence direct from the source, from his good buddy Trump, for the cost of a little flattery (while they laugh at him and us behind our backs).
DeleteBut Somerby's point today is to undermine the court decision against Trump and call into question our justice system. So enjoy the Corby snarking while you can. In China, another dictatorship run by a strongman who Trump admires, you cannot even publish recipes on the internet without censorship. We're lucky so far, we only have books about gays and black people being banned.
@12:53 PM
DeleteHow many rubles are you being paid for this, Boris?
Somerby is not a liberal.
I ♥♥♥♥♥ Joe Biden.
I am Corby.
I am not Corby, but I pretend to be Corby as I further the discourse.
DeleteElvis was clearly not talking about politics when he sang about that blue blue Christmas. He was talking about the separation from a loved one during the holidays.
ReplyDeleteSomerby would have to be a total idiot not to understand the lyrics of that Elvis song -- so why does he bend them this way, especially given that Elvis himself might have had different political views than Somerby's, had he lived longer. Notice how often Somerby chooses to steal lyrics from artists who are deceased -- does he think their estates are less likely to send him a cease and desist than Taylor Swift, for example (who is a vocal Democrat and Trump critic with a very large following of young people)?
Walter Isaacson, despite efforts to appear non-partisan, is a conservative.
ReplyDeleteAs Yoda said, "always emotion is the future." We are simply stating our feelings about how the process feels best to us in reaction to this news.
ReplyDeleteFor once I agree with the critics in here, even though I understand Bob's point. It's hard to say why this is necessarily bad without reading into the news headlines and polls that are notoriously fair weathered what this actually means.
The point of several of the comments above is that this isn't about handicapping the impact of this court decision on a horse race, but about what is the right thing to do for our nation. The horse race arguments are the equivalent of saying that Hitler was great because he got the trains running on time. Neglecting the morality of letting an insurrectionist become a dictator-president and dismantle our democracy in favor of handicapping whether he can or will win or lose, strikes me as empty-souled and sociopathic as Trump himself, who only counts how much money is in it for him, and doesn't worry about those he defrauds, whether college students, charity recipients, voters, or his own staff (who he treats as saps).
DeleteDisplaying the same valueless narcissistic traits as Trump does not pass as political analysis, not that Somerby has ever been sufficiently astute to be taken seriously in that gig.
Liberals do not care about prognostications that Trump will win. We care about preventing him from winning. We disagree that the way to do that involves appeasing Trump's supporters for fear they will continue to vote for him. We instead focus on motivating our own voters. It is very odd that Somerby, a supposed liberal, is not today forecasting the potential impact of throwing Trump off the ballot on Democratic chances of winning the presidency. Might there not be a different Republican candidate nominated, and if so, who? Might the Democrats not be more willing to select someone other than Biden, if Trump cannot run? These are the speculations important to liberals, not Somerby's icky worry that Trumpies will love Trump better when he is held accountable for his crimes.
Benito Mussolini got the trains running on time. I hate it when people get this mixed up.
DeleteI ♥ Joe Biden.
DeleteI ♥♥♥♥ Joe Biden.
I am Corby.
Judges aren't real bro.
DeleteBob never gets beyond his take that the
ReplyDeleteruling is “insane.”
Is it on weak constitutional grounds?
Is the notion that Trump led a riot in an
attempt to overturn an election so he
could remain in power incorrect?
Should we simply ignore the constitution
when to not do so hurts Bob’s creepy
friends and neighbors feelings?
One could go on……
The culture is not "out of order" but has changed over the years without Somerby keeping up with it. That is common for many older people, but most recognize it is their perspective and not the culture at fault.
ReplyDeleteSpeaking of unwillingness to follow law, here is what Trump is saying now (Rawstory):
ReplyDelete"Donald Trump on Tuesday warned the current president of "repercussions" if he doesn't "withdraw" indictments the ex-president faces.
Trump, who is speaking live in Iowa Tuesday evening, said before going on stage that President Joe Biden should be worried about the "two-way street" he's facing.
"So, now we have reached a point when a President of the United States has WEAPONIZED the Department of Justice as though we were a Third World Country. They don’t want to run against me, and never have," Trump wrote on his social media platform, Truth Social. "I am leading in the Polls, by a lot, and based on the results of the failed Biden Administration, this will continue. But 'Justice' Weaponization is a very dirty game to play, and it can have repercussions far greater than anything that Biden or his Thugs could understand."
Trump continued:
"They ought to withdraw all of their Fake, Political Indictments against their Republican Opponent, me, immediately."
Going even further, Trump came close to a direct threat, warning Biden not to wait for it to be "too late."
"This is a Pandora’s Box, that works two ways, and it should be closed and tightly sealed RIGHT NOW. Withdraw your Political Indictments and Lawsuits, Joe, before it is too late!" Trump wrote Tuesday.
In a follow-up post, Trump targeted Special Counsel Jack Smith.
"It’s a sad day for America when a lowlife Prosecutor like Deranged Jack Smith, who was put into the position of Special Prosecutor by Lisa Monaco and the other Thugs that surround our incompetent President, Crooked Joe Biden, to sully my reputation for the purpose of Election Interference and ideally, put me in jail," the ex-president said. "In that regard, they are doing poorly, so they snuck a 'wired' D.C. SWAMP Lawyer, Michael Dreeben, who I’ve beaten three times, into their midst, hoping that he can turn things around because of his Judicial 'connections.' Dreeben, Monaco, Smith, Weissmann, and all the rest suffer massively from Trump Derangement Syndrome, TDS—In other words, and for reasons unknown, they hate me!"
This is who Somerby is supporting with his posts here, day in and day out. A mobster who thinks it will be OK to use the presidency to get back at his political enemies. These are threats like a mob boss would make, not the way a former, much less future, president should behave.
As the young folk say, "If Trump can't do the time, he shouldn't do the crime."
Meanwhile, I believe Somerby would have appeased Hitler. Somerby has nothing to say to anyone here.
Does Biden have the power to withdraw any indictments?
DeleteAll true but certainly are appraisal of Bob’s work must rest on the fact that he doesn’t care. The equation two plus two equals four, if it condemned Trump, would draw the reply from Bob: “some people disagree.”
Delete1:17 - So, in your view, Somerby is such a traitor that he "would have appeased Hitler." Have you ever considered the possibility that you might be a crackpot?
DeleteAppeasing Hitler at the time was not an act of treason but of dplomacy. Hitler lied and then broke his word. Somerby is such a spineless worm, fearing right wing outrage, that he would agree to anything, just as Chamberlain did with Hitler, ignoring indicators of bad faith. Somerby would give Trump whatever he wants, to avoid the wrath of Trump supporters.
DeleteDogface, you don’t seem to know much about history.
Delete"Somerby would give Trump whatever he wants, to avoid the wrath of Trump supporters."
DeleteSomerby : Trump
Trump : Putin
Via Rawstory:
ReplyDelete"According to Kearney, there are other office holders "in Congress and at the state level" who are "alleged or known to have participated in the planning" of Jan. 6.
Kearney cites a Rolling Stone article from October 2021, which alleges that Marjorie Taylor Greene, Lauren Boebert, Paul Gosar, Mo Brooks, Louie Gohmert, and Madison Cawthorn all had "direct involvement" in the planning of Jan. 6, and also alleges Scott Perry, Jim Jordan, and even newly-minted Speaker of the House Mike Johnson at least had foreknowledge of what would happen that day.
"We might never know the whole story. But we should never forget that what happened on January 6 may have been orchestrated by one man, but, well, it took a village."
https://newrepublic.com/article/177677/trump-colorado-supreme-court-january-6-insurrectionists
Republicans don't do morality. Take this for example:
ReplyDelete"Sure, there are men in robes and someone getting the pants beat off him, but can Donald Trump not tell the difference between an ultimate fighting championship match and his own civil court trial?
This is the burning question spurred by an X video of the former president strutting into a UFC match in Las Vegas Saturday with his attorney instead of his wife.
It's the latest eye-rasing commentary on Trump's association with his attorney, whose photos he paraded on his social media platform recently.
“It's a little strange that nobody in MAGA world appears to care that Trump now goes everywhere with Alina Habba,” X user @cturnbull1968 captioned his viral video, “and not Melania."
Biden's record low popularity not withstanding.
Deleteamirite?
No, your comment has nothing to do with the comment you are supposedly replying to. So, you are trolling.
DeleteYou don't get to be as unpopular as Joe Biden is without having to say something somewhere.
Deleteamirite?
Biden was popular enough to win in 2020.
DeleteIt is well known inside the Democratic Party that liberal women are a problem for the party.
DeleteYes, they do all the work. without credit.
DeleteToo many people cross the border illegally. I am Corby.
ReplyDeleteWatch the movie "A Million Miles Away" and see if you feel differently.
DeleteEnforcing our Constitution is unthinkable to Somerby, but not to one of the plaintiffs in the case, who is herself a Republican and a former Trump voter (from Rawstory):
ReplyDelete"One of the plaintiffs who filed a Colorado lawsuit to disqualify Donald Trump from the ballot actually voted for him in the 2020 election he lost.
Krista Kafer, a longtime Republican who was censured by the Arapahoe County Republican Party for her role in the case, appeared Tuesday night on CNN to discuss the ruling by the Colorado Supreme Court that upheld a lower court's finding that Trump engaged in insurrection and was thus disqualified from holding elected office.
"I'm very, very happy about tonight's ruling," Kafer said. "I know there's going to be an appeal. This is really about the rule of law, it's about the Constitution. The constitution is very clear: If a person engages in the insurrection having taken oath of office to the Constitution, tries then to undermine that very document by fomenting an insurrection, as Trump did on Jan. 6, that person is ineligible, and the Constitution is very clear.
"There are five different ways in which one is eligible or ineligible. There's age, there's residency, there's if you've served two terms already and, certainly, if you engaged in insurrection having taken that oath, you cannot, you absolutely cannot, run again, and I think it's clear."
Like Liz Cheney, Kafer demonstrates that Republicans can be principled defenders of democracy. Some see beyond partisan self-interest and recognize that there are principles worth defending.
Not Somerby, obviously.
Isaacson objects to the Colorado decision because it denies voters the right to decide the question of Trump (as opposed to the Courts). But isn't that intended by 13th Amendment? In the aftermath of the Civil War, insurrectionists remained a large segment of voters. Permitting them to put a like-minded candidate into office could deliver politically the victory denied them militarily. The 13th Amendment was intended to prevent the Constitution from being a suicide pact. There are no good options under present circumstances, but I'm good with enforcing the law, while doing my best to engage respectfully in all reasonably possible ways with friends, neighbors, and family members who may happen to be objectively pro-insurrectionist.
ReplyDeleteHere is Marjorie Taylor Greene's take on the CO decision. Oddly, she proposes a solution that would have no impact on whether Trump can run for president or not. Even a nation comprised of "divorced" red and blue states would still need to elect a president, and the states would still need to interact with each other for commerce, foreign policy and purposes specified by the Constitution.
ReplyDeleteAccording to Rawstory:
"Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene (R-GA) doesn’t want to live in a country where Donald Trump can’t become president.
Greene took to social media on Wednesday and once again suggested that America needed a “national divorce” to separate red states from blue states, Newsweek first reported.
“America is in a constitutional crisis,” she declared on her X account. “The admin is enabling a full scale border invasion and harboring illegal migrants. The courts are engaging in judicial tyranny. The government is politically weaponized against the people. Soon national divorce may be our only option.”
This is not the first time that Greene has called for a “national divorce,” which some critics have called a euphemism for a civil war.
All the same, Greene has insisted in the past that such a “divorce” could be done without mass violence.
“Why the left and right should consider a national divorce, not a civil war but a legal agreement to separate our ideological and political disagreements by states while maintaining our legal union,” she wrote on Twitter this past February. “Tragically, I think we, the left and right, have reached irreconcilable differences.”
Among the benefits of such a divorce, Greene argued, would be that red states would be able to bar Walmart from placing “sex toys next to children’s toothbrushes.”
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'"It's OK or appropriate to ban Trump from running for office, even though he has never even had a criminal trial, because IMO he's a bad person." Or, "Because IMO Republicans are bad people."
ReplyDeleteThis is the appalling content of a number of comments here. Can you not see how alien this is to our fundamental concept of democracy?
There was a trial and then an appeal. Both courts unanimously made a finding of FACT that Donald J Chickenshit participate and plotted an insurrection.
DeleteSo go fuck yourself, David. That abomination has proven beyond any reasonable doubt that he is unfit for office.
Reducing our arguments to "Republicans are bad people" is an unfair summary of the things people took the care to write today. Trump is a bad person and so are a lot of Republicans. But that isn't why the court said he couldn't run again and it isn't the only reason why no one should vote for him if he does run. He was a terrible president and our country deserves better.
DeleteDavid, what fresh new hell would you like to put this country through for next five years?
DeleteAgain, Bob certainly makes no attempt to quibble with the decision on legal grounds. Only that it will make MAGA trash unhappy.
DeleteI will make a legal argument. First of all, this Colorado decision has no precedent. Second, it is incredibly strong. Just 4 unelected people decided that they have the power and obligation to prohibit a very popular candidate from running for President.
DeleteThird, the grounds are weak. To call an unarmed demonstration and riot an effort to overthrow the government is quite a stretch. It should be obvious that the most these rioters could have accomplished would have been to slightly delay Biden's official certification. And, delay is all the rioters said they wanted.
Also, Trump explicitly called for a peaceful demonstration. He never called for a riot. Trump has not been convicted of any crime for the Jan 6 riots. Not even a misdemeanor.
In summary, a court decision that should have required the most powerful of grounds instead had the least powerful of grounds.
Actually there is some precedent for the CO action. In 1860 Republican Abraham Lincoln was taken off the ballot in several states by pro-slavery Democrats.
Delete“… alien to our fundamental concept of democracy.” Says none other than a Trump supporter, without a shred of self-awareness. Too comical.
Delete@12:55 Repeating something over and over doesn't make it true. Some Trump enemies keep saying Trump is anti-democracy, but that's simply supported by facts.
DeleteTrump instigated an assault on the Capitol that he watched on TV without lifting a finger until well after he knew that one of his supporters was killed in the assault, and you blather on about the constitution. LOL.
DeleteDavid says, “that’s simply supported by facts.”
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DeleteDavid, he plotted a seditious conspiracy to steal the election and remain in power. If it was such a stretch, why doesn't he want to expedite the trial and show Smith?
DeleteLet's all remember that Donald J Chickenshit gained political prominence by slandering President Obama claiming he was INELIGIBLE to be a candidate for the presidency.
DeleteKarma is a bitch, David.
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DeleteI am Corby.
“This decision, perhaps hyperbolically, strikes us as insane.”
ReplyDeleteI will not look at the legal argumentation, nor will I consider the ruling as a legal matter. Democratic-appointed Judges must make decisions that republicans agree with, full stop. I am not a crank.