TUESDAY, OCTOBER 15, 2024
Bret Stephens tries to explain: Will Candidate Harris win next month's election?
At this point, there's no way to know.
Is she even ahead at this point? That's unknowable also!
On this morning's Morning Joe, the usual pundits began pushing back against the recent appearance that Harris's numbers have slid a bit in the nationwide polling.
Late in the 6 o'clock hour, an indignant John Heilemann insisted that "the race is tied, statistically." But in the limited sense that Heilemann's statement is true, that doesn't mean that the race is tied out there in reality—or in the electoral college.
It's widely assumed that, under current arrangements, a tie election in the nationwide vote goes to the Republican candidate in the electoral college. It's widely assumed that Candidate Harris may have to win the nationwide vote by as much as four points to be able to win in the college.
That's one possible source of gloom for those of us in Blue America. This morning, in his weekly conversation with Gail Collins, Bret Stephens—he won't be voting for Candidate Trump—cites a second possible problem:
Three Weeks to Go, and That’s All Anyone Is Sure Of
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I sense she isn’t closing the sale. At this point, we should assume that Donald Trump has a secret three- or even four-percentage-point advantage in the states that the polls are missing, just as they did when he ran in 2016 and 2020.
At least as things appear at this point, a certain limited number of states will end up deciding the electoral college. Is it possible that Candidate Trump will outperform his current polling numbers in those battleground states?
Will there be a hidden vote for Candidate Trump—a hidden vote the polls are missing? We don't have the slightest idea! There's zero way to know such things—and there' no way to know, with absolute certainty, that the race is currently "tied."
Either candidate could end up winning—and ten of millions of neighbors and friends are going to vote for Candidate Trump. For many of us in Blue America, those tens of millions of fellow citizens seem to live "in a distant land."
As we laid it out yesterday, we're making a play on Thoreau's turn of phrase. But we'll be employing that evocative turn of phrase in several ways this week.
Fuller disclosure! In last week's Conversation, Stephens and Collins started by pondering a familiar type of question. It's a type of question those of us in Blue America have been asking at least since 1988, when Saturday Night Live's version of Candidate Dukakis couldn't believe that he was "losing to this guy."
Below, you see the start of last week's Conversation. In our view, the headline speaks to a certain shortcoming which exists right here in Blue America, where the smartest and best people live:
How Could the Election Be This Close?
Bret Stephens: Gail, why isn’t Kamala Harris running away with the election? The race in the battleground states is basically a tie, despite Harris spending three times as much money as Donald Trump and having a much bigger ground game—and despite Trump putting in a terrible debate performance and generally making a spectacle of himself, or worse, every time he opens his mouth.
Gail Collins: Hmm. I guess I should refrain from pointing out that I’m being asked that question by a person who has yet to commit to voting for Harris himself.
Bret: Much as I love to inflate my importance, I think I’m more of a symptom of Harris’s problems than the cause.
How can the election be this close, that plaintive headline asked. Stephens began to answer that question last week—but in this morning's Conversation, he lays it right on the line in a fuller discussion of what may be holding Candidate Harris back.
Warning! We don't exactly think Stephens is wrong in the critique he offers today! In a bit of foreshadowing, this week's rumination on the election starts with this:
Three Weeks to Go, and That’s All Anyone Is Sure Of
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Bret: Switching topics: Gail, any thoughts on Harris’s media tour?
Gail: Seemed to go pretty well. No signs that she’s going to be a sensational presidential conversationalist, but she seemed pleasant, well prepared and not nuts, like some candidates I could mention.
What did you think?
No signs that she’s going to be a sensational presidential conversationalist? In that slightly snarky disclaimer, even Collins seems to suggest that last week's "media tour" wasn't a giant success.
As the exchange continues, Collins keeps putting the best face on things. Eventually, Stephens makes a simple, direct assessment—and we can't exactly say that he's just totally wrong:
Bret (continuing directly): I’m glad she put herself out in front of at least one real journalist, Bill Whitaker of “60 Minutes,” who pitched no softballs and didn’t let her off the hook when she tried to evade certain questions, as she so often does.
Gail: Well, sometimes does.
Bret: On the other hand, I can’t believe she had no real answer to a question about what she’d do differently from President Biden, when he’s one of the most unpopular incumbents in recent history. And she generally gives the impression of someone who is either trying to hide her real views or hide the fact that she doesn’t have real views.
She’s just not a great candidate, which was my worry about her all along. And I sense she isn’t closing the sale. At this point, we should assume that Donald Trump has a secret three- or even four-percentage-point advantage in the states that the polls are missing, just as they did when he ran in 2016 and 2020.
"She’s just not a great candidate," Stephens says. With that, a full disclosure:
In our view, Candidate Trump is, by far, the worst general election candidate in modern American history. But we can't say that Stephens is totally wrong about Candidate Harris, whether in that initial assessment or in what follows
Gail (continuing directly): Have to admit I’m worried about the apparent lack of enthusiasm among Black and Hispanic men. Barack Obama did a good job tackling that problem in a recent speech, but we need a lot more politicians and celebrities to speak out. Enthusiastically.
Bret: Maybe Harris should do more to help herself. She has two big problems: A lot of voters, including me, fear she isn’t really up to the job, which could be the reason she’s mostly avoided tough interviews.
Gail: Hey, she’s getting better at that.
Bret: If you say so. She also hasn’t really articulated why she wants the job or what she means to do as president, other than to be a kind of consensus seeker. My advice—and I realize she’s not asking for my advice—is a town-hall event in front of an audience of undecided voters that dispels this impression and offers her vision for the country. That would be a good place to start, assuming that vision is more than just a list of wan liberal talking points and vague references to “my plan.”
So said Stephens, whenever this piece was composed. For ourselves, we would offer this:
From the beginning, we've stressed the fact that Candidate Harris has faced a major disadvantage, given the way she had to enter the race very late in the game, from a standing start.
That would have been a major challenge for any presidential candidate, but we have to admit that we agree with much of what Stephens has said. To some extent, we'd say that Collins may also agree, if only in secret, based on that original statement.
In our view, Candidate Harris delivers a sensational speech. That said, among major politicians on the national stage, she has proven to be remarkably limited when it comes to answering even the most basic questions.
Stephens is right! She didn't serve herself well last week with her answers to questions about how she differs from President Biden, or with her refusal to answer Whitaker's thrice-told question about the southern border.
That doesn't mean that Harris couldn't turn out to be the best president we ever had. But if we're wondering why her numbers seemed to go sideways last week, that may be part of the answer.
In our view, Candidate Trump is almost surely the worst candidate who ever sought the office. That said, tens of millions of neighbors and friends don't see things that way.
It doesn't help when we the people of Blue America put our tribal blinders on and refuse to see the possible reasons why some people won't be voting our way this year. In our view, there are quite a few possible reasons for such a vote.
We ourselves don't agree with such assessments. But we're talking about possible reasons which are neither crazy nor strange.
We inhabitants of Blue America are frequently quick to say that the people who are voting for Trump have chosen to block out reality. In many instances, that may be true—but it doesn't help our tribe, or the nation or the world, when we refuse to see the reasons which may be driving some Red American voters.
For many of us in Blue America, people who are voting for Trump seem to live in "a distant land." We then turn to our most unflattering Storylines to explain why those otherized people would decide to do such a thing.
In fact, there are quite a few "distant lands" operating in this year's election landscape as our faltering nation continues to slide toward the sea. We'll be exploring several of those "distant lands" as the week proceeds.
As of Sunday night, it looks like Candidate Harris has decided to come out swinging much harder. We think that's a very good decision, and we hope she succeeds.
"I sense she isn't closing the sale," Stephens says in today's Conversation. In that same Conversation, he trashes Kari Lake and Ted Cruz and also Bernie Moreno. He expresses his admiration for Sherrod Brown and for Ruben Gallego. He says how much we as a nation gain from Haitian immigrants.
He takes Blue America's side in all those matters. That said, we can't say that his short-term assessments of Candidate Harris are just totally wrong.
Her problems will of course only begin when she actually wins this race. Given our view of Candidate Trump, we can only hope that she succeeds, in a major way, over the next three weeks.
Tomorrow: Exploring another type of "distant land"
Bret Stephens is a Republican. Why is Somerby giving him so much space in his head?
ReplyDeleteSomerby asks whether Trump can possibly have a hidden lead of 3-4 pts, then he says "like he did in 2016 and 2020". Trump did not have a hidden lead in 2020, he underperformed his polling. There was no red wave in 2022, as Republicans predicted. Trump massively lost the popular vote in 2016 and won only because he (with Russia's help) manipulated very close districts in blue wall states to produce a 70,000 margin across three blue states and won the electoral college. That was not a natural result and arguably occurred because of foreign campaign interference, along with his own cheating (proven in the Hush Money case). So, Somerby's fears about a hidden Trump advantage not revealed in polling is possible, because Trump will always cheat again, but not likely given that we are on to his tricks now.
But then Somerby has the nerve to ask how it is possible that the election is so close! In case Somerby hasn't noticed, Harris is a black, female candidate who entered the race at the last minute, without an established campaign apparatus, staff and planning, having to prepare and run all at the same time. And yet, she has performed admirably and run an excellent campaign and is now LEADING Trump, a billionaire supported by billionaires with a cult-like following now mounting his third national campaign, after having declared his run days after losing in 2020, and with the support of the mainstream press.
The question should be "Why Isn't Trump Still Leading?" not what's wrong with Harris.
Stephens is no friend to Harris. Neither is Somerby, obviously. I hope they both follow through and vote for her, but they are doing nothing to make sure Trump is not reelected and I find it hard to believe they will even vote for Harris, since they cannot bring themselves to support her candidacy in public.
Somerby is poor at analyzing electoral politics.
DeleteBiden was unpopular during his campaign primarily due to perceptions about his age, less so his policies. Having said that, Biden’s policy on Israel is unpopular, although it’s less egregious than Trump’s.
Biden’s poll numbers began to drop in June 2021, two months before the pullout of Afghanistan, during a resurgence of Covid because of the delta strain (this was largely brought on by Republicans refusing to follow proper public health protocols in a sad attempt to own the libs) and infighting among Dems over Biden’s agenda, such as Build Back Better.
Biden’s numbers, however, are better overall than Trump’s during his reign, and Nixon, Carter, and W Bush all suffered worse numbers.
Gail is a centrist, Bret is a far right loon, they’re both dinosaurs with no relevancy.
Due to the democratization of media there is a wealth of astute analysis, yet Somerby chooses to ignore that and instead highlights some of the least astute analysis. This is because Somerby has wrongheaded notions about democracy and media, and he’d rather not expose how weak his thinking is.
Trump is a once in a generation, highly effective candidate; Republicans will likely suffer for years because they will not find a candidate that can motivate voters as well as Trump can. On the flip side, Trump is so repugnant that he is also highly motivating for Dems to vote against him, a cohort that tends to be more apathetic towards electoral politics than Repubs.
Furthermore, Trump wants to claim victimhood, but the reality is, corporate media grades Trump on a curve, yet brutally attacks Biden, often on spurious grounds.
Some find it remarkable that Trump can be reprehensibly racist, sexist, and xenophobic, and cognitively incoherent (rambling about Biden circles, standing silently at a rally for over 30 min lost in dementia, etc), but this is unsurprising if you have a basic understanding of the nature of Republicans.
Somerby would have a better understanding of Republicans if he ever bothered to engage in some self reflection.
Asked and answered. Move on.
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AnonymousOctober 14, 2024 at 10:22 AM
Bob,
Because Republican voters are pieces of shit.
You need some challenging questions. This one was too easy.
Somerby seems to think that the future cannot be predicted and is thus unknowable, because there is no certain way to be sure what will happen. And yet we humans make predictions all the time, business does too, as does govt and anyone who makes plans and preparations, even for mundane things like going to work on Monday or buying tickets to a sporting event.
ReplyDeleteThe best predictor of the future is the past. It is worthwhile to recall what happened to Trump in his previous elections. There are also facts, such as that Harris has never lost an election. Even in 2020, she ran as the VP along with Biden and WON, Trump LOST to Biden. That makes Somerby's doom and gloom a bit hard to understand.
I get it that he may not want to presume on success and I get it that he feels he cannot say confidently what will happen because it is, after all, the future and has not occurred yet. But there is no reason to go the other direction and assume the worst. And the converse of this is that when Somerby moans about Harris losing, he is giving Trump the huge benefit of the doubt and assuming that he will win, when there is no reason to believe that at all. Trump is behaving more bizarrely, telling bigger lies, shedding former supporters like crazy, running out of money, and he is going to be sentenced after the election. What on earth is there about him to inspire Somerby to think he is winning, when he is growing more pathetic daily?
This is why it seems likely that Somerby is being paid to write these ridiculous essays touting Trump. Others are, so why is it impossible that Somerby joined that gravy train? The alternative is to believe that Somerby is as demented as Trump, since they are roughly the same age, and neither one of them is in touch with reality of making any sense these days.
I wouldn't have thought that Biden would turn out to be such an excellent president, but he has. Perhaps it is time to stop confusing campaigning with governing. Harris has a lot of solid experience. Why on earth wouldn't she be up to the job, especially given that Biden, an excellent president, chose her for his VP?
ReplyDeleteIt is almost as if both Stephens and Somerby are actively searching for a reason to downgrade Harris, just like Somerby went out of his way to disparage Ketanji Brown Jackson, despite her obvious and complete success at everything else on her lengthy and impressive resume. If ind myself wondering if any black woman (or woman for that matter, given Somerby's disparagement of Hillary) could ever satisfy those exalted standards of Somerby and Stephens (who is so stupid, he is a centrist/conservative and thus not someone whose approval is necessary, in my opinion).
Why would Somerby think we need to understand the reasons why some people may choose to vote for Donald Trump?
ReplyDeleteTo the diners!
DeleteBecause understanding those reasons can help in having a dialogue, which in turn can lead to a recognition of common values and points of agreement.
DeleteAll of which provides a healthier environment for a stable democracy.
To the extent there is no understanding, you get insults and wild exaggerations.
Hector, how's your unicorn strategy working with DavidinCal and Cecelia?
DeleteWe respect Hector. Wd respect other normal Democrats. Most Dems are not anonymouse internet operative coven members.
DeleteLet us know when you get past Step 1 in your fantasy, Hector.
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