BAYOUS: Blue observers, we must heal ourselves!

WEDNESDAY, NOVEMBER 20, 2024

The disorder is also in Us: This morning, Ed Luce takes his place on the pile.

There he is, in the Financial Times, beating up on a famous madman and on the horse he rode out on. His column begins as shown:

Trump’s demolition of the US state

It is time to study Caligula. That most notorious of Roman emperors killed what was left of the republic and centralised authority in himself. Donald Trump does not need to make his horse a senator; it will be enough to keep appointing charlatans to America’s great offices of state.

Rome was not destroyed by outsiders. Its demolition was the work of barbarians from within.

The question of whether Trump consciously wants to destroy the US federal government is irrelevant. You measure a leader by his actions not by his heart. To judge from what Trump has done within a fortnight of winning the presidency, his path is destruction.

Other than a handful of moderate Republican senators, who may or may not have the guts to reject some of his nominees, there is little standing in his way.

As is often done, Luce says "senator" instead of "consul" when he discusses the horse, but the point he makes is the same. As he continues, he compares a string of Trump's recent nominees—specifically, Hegseth and Gaetz and Gabbard and Kennedy—to the Roman emperor's favorite extremely fast steed.

Along the way, he even trashes Musk and Ramaswamy, the crackpot co-heads of the new alleged strongman's Department of Government Efficiency. After that, he returns to the horse:

DOGE will be the advisory equivalent of X, Musk’s social media platform, which is algorithmically rigged to churn out disinformation.

Serious paring of US bureaucracy requires knowledge of what it is for. Musk and Ramaswamy routinely betray sweeping ignorance of their subject matter.

Americans might come to wish that Trump had nominated a horse to head the US Department of Health and Human Services. Instead, he has chosen Robert F Kennedy jnr, whose goal is to reverse the public science of the past couple of centuries.

So it goes, as an ancient Roman madman returns to the scene of the discourse.

Will the new version of President Trump turn out to be Caligula all over again? At this point, we can't necessarily tell you that, but we can't say that he won't.

Below, we'll offer praise for our own work–but first, we'll remind you of something we noted in Monday's report:

When the leading authority thumbnails Caligula, a banished word quickly appears:

Caligula

Gaius Caesar Augustus Germanicus (31 August 12 – 24 January 41), better known by his nickname Caligula, was Roman emperor from AD 37 until his assassination in AD 41. He was the son of the Roman general Germanicus and Augustus' granddaughter Agrippina the Elder, members of the first ruling family of the Roman Empire. He was born two years before Tiberius was made emperor. Gaius accompanied his father, mother and siblings on campaign in Germania, at little more than four or five years old. He had been named after Gaius Julius Caesar, but his father's soldiers affectionately nicknamed him "Caligula" ("Little boot").

Germanicus died in Antioch in 19, and Agrippina returned with her six children to Rome, where she became entangled in a bitter feud with Emperor Tiberius, who was Germanicus' biological uncle and adoptive father. The conflict eventually led to the destruction of her family, with Caligula as the sole male survivor. In 26, Tiberius withdrew from public life to the island of Capri, and in 31, Caligula joined him there. Tiberius died in 37 and Caligula succeeded him as emperor, at the age of 24.

Of the few surviving sources about Caligula and his four-year reign, most were written by members of the nobility and senate, long after the events they purport to describe. For the early part of his reign, he is said to have been "good, generous, fair and community-spirited" but increasingly self-indulgent, cruel, sadistic, extravagant and sexually perverted thereafter; an insane, murderous tyrant who demanded and received worship as a living god, humiliated his Senate, and planned to make his horse a consul...

The horse appears in paragraph 3, but so does the banished word.

Did Caligula actually plan to make his horse a consul? As the lengthy profile continues, we're told that it's quite possible that he didn't. 

That said, we highlight the key word "insane." We're not experts on the history, but that passage, and what follows, suggests that a certain concept was already part of human discourse when the earliest pseudo-histories of Caligula appeared.

Was the emperor Caligula some version of "insane?" We can't answer your question, but we'll once again tell you this:

Under modern rules of the road, such questions can't even be asked about our flailing nation's incoming possible strongman. Within the upper-end American press, everyone except George Conway has signed on to a basic group agreement:

Issues of  medical / mental / psychological / psychiatric disorder must be disappeared in the case of our own "living God."

This agreement is widespread within our own Blue America. We offer that as a possible hint at a wider problem—a wider problem which we denizens of Blue America may not be able to see.

Is our society coming undone, as once happened with Rome? Everything is possible! To our credit, we were the first to float such a possibility—and we did it more than a decade ago, well before the Age of Trump, when we started recalling this murky prophecy by a long-forgotten star of the Blue American 1960s, the classicist Norman O. Brown:

BROWN (5/31/60): I sometimes think I see that societies originate in the discovery of some secret, some mystery; and expand with the progressive publication of their secret; and end in exhaustion when there is no longer any secret, when the mystery has been divulged, that is to say profaned...

And so there comes a time—I believe we are in such a time—when civilization has to be renewed by the discovery of some new mysteries, by the undemocratic but sovereign power of the imagination, by the undemocratic power which makes poets the unacknowledged legislators of all mankind, the power which makes all things new.

Professor Brown came to very hot in the 1960s, but what in the world was he talking about when he made that murky statement as part of this Phi Beta Kappa address?

All in all, we have no clear idea. Nor do we have any idea why that statement began to float up into our head more than a decade ago, when we started posting it as part in the work of this helpful site.

Initially, we believe we assumed that the murky statement must have come from one of the books which made Brown so hot, back when Vietnam was still raging. At the time, we read or attempted to read those books, just like everyone else. The books in question are these:

The books which made Brown hot:
Life Against Death: The Psychoanalytical Meaning of History. Middletown: Wesleyan University Press (1959). 
Love's Body. New York: Random House (1966).

We read those books back in the day, just like everyone did. We have no idea how that obscure formulation from that obscure Phi Beta Kappa address ever made its way into our head.

We'll guess that the gods must have placed it there! At any rate, there was Professor Brown, suggesting that our own society had begun a process which he said would have it "ending in exhaustion." 

Today, a possible modern Caligula is possibly trying to put a team of steeds in power. As he does, those of us in Blue America—the former "elf" Conway excepted—have agreed to accept a rule which forbids us from discussing the possible source of this conduct.

(Not that it would likely help if we did conduct that discussion.)

Those of us in Blue America have long been self-assured. Dating back to those same 1960s, we Blues have been certain that we're the smart and honest and principled ones, and that The Others just aren't. 

(As happenstance had it, we were physically present when this unhelpful attitude began displaying itself.)

We Blues! We've signaled this belief a thousand different ways. We've rarely noticed this behavior.

Over there, The Others have. 

We've long been sure that we're the smart / good / insightful ones, and that The Others just aren't. Half of them have been said to be deplorable, irredeemable. In October, our own tribe's sitting president almost seemed to say that all of The Others are "garbage."

(That may not be what the gentleman meant. On its face, it sounded like what he had said.)

As noted, we Blues are vaccinated against seeing such things. As an example of what we mean, we'll cite the recent portrait of The Others—that is to say, of "Mr. Trump's voters"—which appears below, one-word headline included.

This portrait was written by a good, decent person. Her lengthy essay appeared in print editions of this past Sunday's New York Times:

Enough

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Mr. Trump’s voters are granted a level of care and coddling that defies credulity and that is afforded to no other voting bloc. Many of them believe the most ludicrous things: babies being aborted after birth and children going to school as one gender and returning home surgically altered as another gender even though these things simply do not happen. Time and again, we hear the wild lies these voters believe and we act as if they are sharing the same reality as ours, as if they are making informed decisions about legitimate issues. We act as if they get to dictate the terms of political engagement on a foundation of fevered mendacity.

We must refuse to participate in a mass delusion. We must refuse to accept that the ignorance on display is a congenital condition rather than a choice. All of us should refuse to pretend that any of this is normal and that these voters are just woefully misunderstood and that if only the Democrats addressed their economic anxiety, they might vote differently. While they are numerous, that does not make them right.

These are adults, so let us treat them like adults. Let us acknowledge that they want to believe nonsense and conjecture. They want to believe anything that affirms their worldview. They want to celebrate a leader who allows them to nurture their basest beliefs about others. The biggest challenge of our lifetime will be figuring out how to combat the American willingness to embrace flagrant misinformation and bigotry.

The Others don't "share the same reality as ours." Also, it seems that The Others are all just alike—all 76.6 million of them (and counting).

We Blues! We're very dumb about these things—and given the way our species is built, we're rarely able to see this fact about ourselves.

We voted for Candidate Harris ourselves. Something like 77 million people voted for Candidate Trump.

There's a very long list of reasons why someone may have made that decision. The author of that essay in Blue America's leading newspaper seems to be completely unable to come to terms with that fact.

We started to list some possible reasons last week, working from a statement on Washington Week by the strongly anti-Trump Tim Alberta. In the days and weeks ahead, we'll be adding to that list.

In truth, the list goes on and on and on. After that, it goes on some more.

We voted for Candidate Harris ourselves. But that list is actually real, and the essay in the New York times is itself a work of tribal "delusion."

According to Luce, Rome was destroyed by the work of insiders—more specifically, by the lunatic conduct of a certain mad emperor.

According to Luce, the same thing may be happening here. We can't flatly say that's wrong, but tribal delusion is bred in the bone and the syndrome can even be found Over Here. 

81 comments:

  1. Since this appears to be the day for quoting things, here is a counter to Somerby's incessant quoting of info about Troy and Rome, patriarchies run amok. It comes via a native diary at Daily Kos by Winter Rabbit, but the author is Joseph Campbell:

    "From Joseph Campbell, The Masks of God: Occidental Mythology Vol.3. 1964, Viking Press, New York p. 21-2www.tetmancallis.com/… (See the latter for current link)

    "For it is now perfectly clear that before the violent entry of the late Bronze and early Iron Age nomadic Aryan cattle-herders from the north and Semitic sheep-and-goat-herders from the south into the old cult sites of the ancient world, there had prevailed in that world an essentially organic, vegetal, non-heroic view of the nature and necessities of life that was completely repugnant to those lion hearts for whom not the patient toil of earth but the battle spear and its plunder were the source of both wealth and joy. In the older mother myths and rites the light and darker aspects of the mixed thing that is life had been honored equally and together, whereas in the later, male-oriented, patriarchal myths, all that is good and noble was attributed to the new, heroic master of gods, leaving to the native nature powers the character only of darkness--to which, also, a negative moral judgment now was added. For, as a great body of evidence shows, the social as well as mythic orders of the two contrasting ways of life were opposed. Where the goddess had been venerated as the giver and supporter of life as well as consumer of the dead, women as her representatives had been accorded a paramount position in society as well as in cult. Such an order of female-dominated social and cultic custom is termed, in a broad and general way, the order of Mother Right. And opposed to such, without quarter, is the order of the Patriarchy, with an ardor of righteous eloquence and a fury of fire and sword."

    Somerby disappears the history of women and female-dominated societies in order to pretend that patriachy is "bred in the bone" as he puts it, the natural order of things. It is not.

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    1. Yes it is, in the way he means it. Women will always dominate in the nurturing sphere and all that goes with it, through which they exercise a great deal of power. Men will always dominate everywhere else and over women, occasionally choosing to allow women to participate in some non-domestic activities.

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    2. You must have had a difficult childhood if you treated your own mother, teachers and supervisors at work according to these beliefs. Women have never been as limited as you propose here, in what can only be a fantasy. For example, not only do women have higher gpa's in school but they are the majority of college students and nearly half of all those in professions such as law, medicine, arts and sciences. It is only in bro-dominated fields that exercise prejudice against women that women are underrepresented (engineering, computer science). One goal of DEI is to remedy that injustice, likely imposed by men like you who are afraid of equal and fair competition for jobs.

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  2. Anonymouse 10:11am, wouldn’t the devolution of the gentler, more civil, more equitable society into a patriarchal fight club, be the point that Bob is making as to the rise of Trump?

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    1. No. Somerby glamorizes and idealizes ancient Troy, pretending the Democrats are the fallen. The devolution into fight club is the point I made yesterday, not Somerby. Somerby gets off on this naked display of power, no matter how crazy he calls Trump.

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    2. Somerby is telling us all to lie back and enjoy being raped.

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    3. He is saying we asked for it, by the way we dressed. And if we didn't want to be attacked, we shouldn't have called The Others stoopid, even if they are.

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    4. Anonymices, even without a complete archive of Bob’s essays using this time period as a theme to discuss the decline of societies (an archive that does exist) , the essay today refutes your negative interpretations of his motives.

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    5. I'm pretty sure Bob's point is that Republican voters are useless, and someone other than Republican voters should have tried to assassinate Trump.

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    6. Anonymouse 11:08am, I’m sure Bob’s point is that the Others are both correct in some ways that should be acknowledged and deluded otherwise. He doesn’t want war. You do. Your job here is about civil war.

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    7. Anonymouse 10:54am, your dishonesty aside, Bob bemoans the fall of that ancient civilization. He compares it to the decline he sees now. That’s his purpose for referencing it.

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    8. I don't know one single Democrat who has advocated civil war.

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    9. Today's post is brought to you by Somerby's perusing of Wikipedia, and Somerby's poor critical thinking skills.

      His fanboys work hard to distract from this rather obvious circumstance, those poor lost souls.

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  3. "We've long been sure that we're the smart / good / insightful ones, and that The Others just aren't. Half of them have been said to be deplorable, irredeemable."

    What else are we to conclude when observing the behavior of those Others? Is the alternative to laud assholes like Gaetz and Trump? Not only are these people and those who support them miscreants but a society based on their behavior cannot flourish and is bad for those they bully and tread upon. The Others want to walk all over us, so in a sense that Somerby entirely ignores, he is asking us to become their victims. I choose not to do that, out of self defense. And I will not yield my society to their destructive force. I did my best to convince others to vote for Harris, not Trump. Somerby did not. Now he wants us to yield in advance to the demands of the Others who have taken over our government but not other parts of our culture. Those who study authoritarianism say that we shouldn't yield in advance (as Somerby urges) but should "wait for the memo" then do what we must to survive.

    I can still tell the difference between what is smart and what is good and the depravity on the right. I will not be gaslighted by Somerby or anyone else into confusion over right and wrong. And no, we didn't cause or enable Trump. Somerby and his ilk, the guys in the middle who wanted to go along to get along, they gave us Trump and MAGA and now we all must suffer for their actions.

    I still don't believe Somerby voted for Harris. Why would he when he doesn't support anything she stands for? He didn't appreciate her effort so why wouldn't he have voted for Trump? Going along with Trumpism is just another form of giving up one's vote, as Somerby seems to have done willingly, despite comparing Trump to Caligula. Was it funny that Caligula wanted to appoint his horse to the Senate? Of course not, it was a political attack on Caligula's power to suggest he couldn't do that. Somerby seems to be fascinated by the misuse of power by insane men. That is Somerby's problem, but his rationalization is craven and we should not buy into it. It only benefits Trump to do so.

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    1. Anonymouse 10:52am, you make a valiant effort in trying to persuade others that Bob is supporting Trump rather than encouraging the entire society to reflect on themselves and where we’re headed . Bob’s goal may not be the focus of your task here, but that doesn't diminish the validity of what he’s saying. Our leaders, the MEDIA, could potentially mediate the situation. I understand that you arent aiming for that goal, however, not everyone shares the anonymouse perspective.

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    2. By blaming Democrats for Trump's victory, Somerby does support Trump and his lame appointees. His goal can only be guessed by examining his behavior. Joe and Mika sucking up to Trump might be the kind of thing Somerby has been urging, or it could be a self-serving attempt to avoid the vindictive retribution Trump has been promising. Somerby seems to support the rest of us doing likewise -- appeasing Trump and his supporters in order to avoid the illegal abuses of power Trump seems to be promising.

      That isn't the same as "mediating" the situation. The way to do that is for Trump to govern within the limits of the constitution and our laws, with respect for ALL of the people, including Democrats. But he apparently doesn't plan to do that.

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    3. 'Blaming Democrats for Trump's victory' is not the same thing as saying Democrats played a role in Trump's victory.

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    4. Democrats insisting black people's votes be counted in the 2020 Presidential election, most certainly played a role in Trump's victory.

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  4. That the Republican Party cares about nothing but bigotry and white supremacy is only "news" if you've been in a coma since 1980.

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  5. Trump's promise of tax breaks for pedophiles, got the Republican voting base excited about having more spending money.

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  6. So many pixels in this post, skillfully combined to produce utter nonsense.

    In reality, it's perfectly simple:
    Yes, Make America Great Again, Mr. Trump!

    And that's all.

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  7. Trump has been lashing out, ever since the daughter he's been trying to fuck since she was 6-years old ratted him out to the FBI for stealing state secrets.

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    1. There is something wrong with you.

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    2. Anonymouse 11:59, 11:21am is an anonymouse flying monkey. His job is to throw poo at the behest of his witch boses. It’s all an anonymouse flying monkey is capable of doing and it keeps them from mugging people on the street.

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    3. Very insightful, Cecelia.

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    4. Where is Ivanka these days? She doesn't appear to be having anything to do with Trump. What did she learn during his last administration that has changed her interest in her share of the grift?

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    5. 12:17,
      That's what the deep-state wants you to believe.
      Try no to fall for their mind games.

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    6. When Trump raped that 13yo, he told her that she reminded him of his own daughter. He also provided her with funds in case she needed an abortion resulting from his rape.

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  8. If we are making unhelpful comparisons of current leaders and horses, should Kamala be compared with Catherine the Great?

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    1. You probably think that is hilarious. Aside from the fact that Catherine the Great never had sex with a horse (that is one of the slurs created by her political enemies), it is not Harris who hangs out with Russians.

      Google says: "No, Catherine the Great did not have sex with horses. The story that she died while trying to have sex with a horse is a myth. The rumor likely started out of jealousy to damage her legacy as a powerful female ruler."

      The sex-based rumors about Harris concocted by Republicans were just as false.

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  9. ---The Others want to walk all over us, so in a sense that Somerby entirely ignores, he is asking us to become his victims.---
    Could not have said it better.
    David Brooks recently pontificated about how the rise of meritocracy has negatively affected our country by alienating the unprivileged subset, leading to their contempt of the elite, with their veneration of high academic achievers and the Ivy League. He completely failed to acknowledge that their Otherism is rooted in income disparity that has only moved further into third world status over the last few decades. As justified as their contempt of the privileged elite may be, the Others who have been shoved aside economically conflate elitism with knowledge and are contemptuous of both, leading to the outright rejection of experts and science, an attitude that falls just short of being universal except for when they have their health at stake and need to talk to the most educated person in their circle, their doctor. Then, education is at a premium when they think their lives are at stake. So what were the elite supposed to do in the world David Brooks would prefer? Tell their kids to work less and not do what they can to help them achieve success? And why should the upper eschalon educationally (which equals dollars) at this point empathise with those that are contemptuous of them and want to walk all over them, let alone ruin their world with their contempt of science and lazy acceptance of the junk they are fed about such matters as global warming and vaccinations by their favored media outlets?

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    1. Anonymouse 11:34am, no one can help it if David Brooks and Bob.(to an extent) have a noblesse oblige flavor, but that doesn't negate the gist of what they’re saying.

      I read the other day that the majority of people, when asked, now qualify themselves by their economic status rather than by geographical region, sex, race, religion, etc. That is now their marker.. You say that we disdain the very people who devise the systems that make life better and longer. I’ll swallow that trope whole for argument’s sake (your ilk is not representative of all elites) but our political elites now demand that we buy into a lot philosophical things in order to deserve the largess of their tolerance toward us.

      It ain’t working.

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    2. I say that the reason for this is economic, and not placing that first and foremost is the problem. The so called redistribution of wealth has been ongoing since Reaganomics and the Laffer curve. Even Bruce Barrett, who along with Jack Kemp devised Reaganomics, abandoned it as failed policy around 2008. Tax policy has been a disaster for this country and everything from the demonization of organized labor to NAFTA have contributed. But tax policy is the big thing. What the political elites ask you to swallow culturally is waved at you like shiny trinkets by right wing media outlets and have nothing to do with the economic issues that progressively divide this country.

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    3. Your focus on the cultural side and punching down on trans people in these comment sections is ample evidence of how easily distracted people who consider themselves to be smart can be. The elite is the ECONOMICALLY elite on both sides of the aisle and although neither has done well enough, the Republican vision of how the economy should work for the middle and lower class has been an abject failure over the past 60 years compared with the Democrats. The economy as judged by GDP, job and wage growth and stock market gains has consistently favored the left. That is fact. David Brooks would like to make it, the divide, a cultural problem. As apparently would you. That is where you are dead wrong.

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    4. Anonymouse 12:090pm, globalism is wrecking and has wrecked havoc in our country. No political party facilitated it more than republicans.

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    5. Anonymouse 12:22pm, I don’t punch down at trans folks, I punch down on the notion that gender is a matter of feeling.

      That theory is not some doctrine that I must run up the flagpole and salute. I view trans people as my equals (just as I view everyone) and as being entirely able to survive my dissent.

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    6. Trans people should not be permitted to tolerate dissent because white Democrat boomer feminists will lose control they enjoy over others.

      If trans people decide to tolerate dissent, feminist Democrats are setting the example all over the internet, that we should show our love for trans people by expressing a hope these dissenters will find themselves beaten in the streets.

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    7. Anonymouse 1:08pm, well, yesterday a commenter claiming to be trans wanted to give me their address so I could come over and get my butt kicked.

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    8. Cecelia has no idea what noblesse oblige means and has used that term incorrectly.

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    9. Cecelia confuses sex with gender (and vice versa) and thus has no idea what she is talking about. She also is saying weird and unsupported things about feminists, apparently equating them with transphobes. Trans people are such a tiny % of the population that I wish Cecelia would leave them alone and let them live their lives without interference, but Trump made this a political issue so that is apparently impossible.

      Meanwhile, she displays that famous Republican lack of empathy, like Nancy Mace, who won't be happy until there are no bathrooms available to her recently elected colleague. What kind of dissent is that?

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    10. I recently watched a video of a school board meeting in which some maga woman was screaming at the school board because she recently discovered that her 6th grade daughter was told she could not use the word "retarded" addressing other students. This pissed maga off like nobody's business, and damn is she wasn't going to let the school board know that she damn well will say "retarded" any damn time she pleases.

      Now witness Nancy Mace, performing for her maga audience and just being in general a mean asshole. One wonders how many hours a day does Rep. Mace spend on the toilet. You haven't heard her say BOO about the sex trafficker of underage girls named to be our next AG.

      Maga has turned this country into a very mean and nasty place to live, goddamn it.

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    11. Anonymouse 3:00pm, anonymices take Bob from being “obscure”, to a blogger so wildly popular that transgenders everywhere are “pushed down” by one commenter’s opinion. All dependent upon whose ox is being gored. Sad…

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    12. "no bathrooms available to her recently elected colleague."

      Stop lying. There is one bathroom very much available to that person.

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    13. Here is the sentence:

      "Meanwhile, she displays that famous Republican lack of empathy, like Nancy Mace, who won't be happy until there are no bathrooms available to her recently elected colleague. "

      This is about Mace's efforts, not the reality of bathrooms. Of course there are bathrooms available, but Mace doesn't want her to be able to use them.

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    14. I'll bet @5:54 is Cecelia commenting without a nym again.

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    15. Anonymouse 7:15pm, you would be wrong. As usual.

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    16. “ yesterday a commenter claiming to be trans wanted to give me their address so I could come over and get my butt kicked.”

      Just applying the old Brabender line, I’m sure: “Where I come from, we just talk for a little while. After that we start to hit."

      Must be time to hit.

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  10. Bob says Trump may destroy the country from within. He ignores two facts
    1. Trump was President and he didn't do anything to destroy the country.
    2. The current Dems have a gone a long way to destroying the country:
    -- Unique legal theories to bankrupt their opponent
    -- Unique legal theories to put their opponent in prison
    -- Inadequate Secret Service protection that came within inches of their opponent's death

    These are amazing and horrifying. If Republicans do the same to Biden, Dems might notice how horrifying these actions are.

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    1. (1) He tried to steal the 2020 election, right?
      (2) Has nothing to do with Biden, right?

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    2. David in Cal,
      What about Republican voters who think Trump is going to close the borders, even though he left them wide open during his last Presidential term?
      What do you call those people who don't realize the future is nothing but the past?

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    3. David in Cal,
      Which do you think was worse for the United States of America, when Trump gave that gigantic tax break to the rich and corporations, or when black people's votes counted in the 2020 Presidential election?

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    4. The idea that the Jan. 6 riot was an attempt to steal the election is silly, no matter how many times Trump opponents keep repeating it to themselves. First of all, a mob of unarmed people couldn't force the country to accept a President who had lost the election. Also, there's no evidence that Trump caused that riot. He told his followers to demonstrate peacefully. He suggested the National Guard, but Nancy Pelosi turned him down. Don't forget that Pelosi was the person in charge of securing in the Capitol.

      Secondly, regardless of Biden's role in these atrocities, they were committed by Dems.

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    5. David in Cal,
      Democrats act like they've never seen a bunch of Right-wing snowflakes throw a childish temper tantrum at the United States Capitol, just because black people's votes were counted in an election, before.

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    6. Dickhead in Cal, did you ever bother to read the full multi-count felony indictment and the supporting documents? The attack on the capitol on Jan 6 was just the culmination of Donny J Chickenshit's attempt to steal the election. You come here every fucking day and brush it off like it meant nothing. Yet you have never invested a moment of time to really examine the evidence. And now that the corrupt SC6 decided to crown the criminal motherfucker, you act like it was all a big joke. There is a fucking reason VP Pence was not on the ticket this time.

      Go fuck yourself, you're not a serious person.

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    7. Let's give David in Cal some credit. He's one of the only Right-wingers who admits Republicans are a bunch of snowflakes who live in constant fear of black people having equality.

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    8. Trump was planted in front of the television watching the mob he incited as part of a larger conspiracy with others to overturn the election.Watching as his mob injured over 140 capitol police, and ignoring pleas to him to intervene, for hours. And remember, in real time he had no idea whether these miscreants would breach the barriers separating them from Pence. DIC is pure shit to describe this as anything but evil. Pence, Pelosi and any number of others were at very real risk of their lives and Trump sat there watching, passively. So yeah, you are morally degenerate , DIC and have zero credibility here.

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    9. "The idea that the Jan. 6 riot was an attempt to steal the election is silly, no matter how many times Trump opponents keep repeating it to themselves."

      That's not how Trump was trying to steal the election, you understand that, don't you? Yes, the rioters wouldn't have succeeded, even if they managed to hang Pence...well, at least something good would've come out of it.

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    10. The field is littered with causalities as a result of Trump's attempt to steal the election. Just look at what happened to Rudy.

      Rudy Giuliani: Giuliani, who led Trump’s post-election efforts, was formally disbarred in Washington, D.C., on Thursday, with the District of Columbia Court of Appeals ordering the penalty based on New York disbarring the attorney in July. The former New York City mayor has also been criminally charged in Arizona for his role in trying to overturn the 2020 election—where he initially tried to evade being served—after already being charged in Georgia, and he’s also been sued for defamation by voting machine companies Dominion Voting Systems and Smartmatic. He was ordered to pay $148 million to Georgia election workers whom he defamed, which resulted in Giuliani declaring bankruptcy.

      Jenna Ellis: Indicted in GA and AZ. being suspended from practicing law for three years as a result of her Georgia guilty plea. She was also previously censured for violating rules that bar attorneys from engaging in “dishonesty, fraud, deceit, or misrepresentation,” with the attorney admitting in court she had made “misrepresentations” while representing Trump after the election that had a “selfish motive.”

      Kenneth Chesebro,
      John Eastman
      Chrisina Bobb,
      Jeffrey Clark,
      Sidney Powell,
      Alina Habba,
      Cleta Mitchell

      These are just the lawyers who have already paid a big for plotting with Trump to steal the election

      Not to mention the 100's and counting of convictions for the attack on our Capitol. Just yesterday an Ex-Army soldier who beat officers with a baton on Jan. 6 sentenced to 51 months in prison.

      This isn't the first time, and it won't be the last time, Dickhead in Cal comes here to pretend Trump is totally innocent. As though Jack Smith is some partisan hack. Donny J Chickenshit is a big brave bully when he knows he'll never have to face a jury for his crimes.

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    11. um Trump's presidency was so bad that after one term America completely rejected him and elected what seemed like the most bland, centrist, and milquetoast candidate ever. Biden won handily, and then surprisingly governed progressively on domestic issues. The key aspects for Biden winning were: universal mail in ballots due to the pandemic, disgust of Trump, being a White male candidate, and Republican dirty tricks were muted also due to the pandemic.

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    12. Dickhead in Cal lies:
      "Don't forget that Pelosi was the person in charge of securing in the Capitol."
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      NATIONAL GUARD RESPONSE
      CLAIM: Trump said he offered 10,000 National Guard troops to Pelosi and “she now admits that she turned it down.” Referring to a video Pelosi’s daughter took that day, Trump claimed that Pelosi said, “I take full responsibility for January 6.”

      THE FACTS: Trump has repeatedly and falsely claimed that he offered National Guard troops to the Capitol and that his offer was rejected. He has previously said he signed an order for 20,000 troops to go to the Capitol.

      While Trump was involved in discussions in the days prior to Jan. 6 about whether the National Guard would be called ahead of the joint session, he issued no such order or formal request before or during the rioting, and the guard’s arrival was delayed for hours as Pentagon officials deliberated over how to proceed.

      In a 2022 interview with the Democratic-led House committee that investigated the attack, Christopher Miller, the acting Defense secretary at that time, confirmed that there was no order from the president.

      The Capitol Police Board makes the decision on whether to call National Guard troops to the Capitol, and two members of that board — the House Sergeant at Arms and the Senate Sergeant at Arms — decided through informal discussions not to call the guard ahead of the joint session that was eventually interrupted by Trump’s supporters, despite a request from the Capitol Police. The House Sergeant at Arms reports to the Speaker of the House, who was then Pelosi, and the Senate Sergeant at Arms reported to then-Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell, R-Ky. But Pelosi’s office has said she was never informed of the request.

      The board eventually requested the guard’s assistance after the rioting was underway, and Pelosi and McConnell called the Pentagon and begged for military assistance. Pence, who was in a secure location inside the building, also called the Pentagon to demand reinforcements.

      In a video recently released by House Republicans, Pelosi is seen in the back of a car on Jan. 6 and talking to an aide. In the raw video recorded by her daughter, Pelosi is angrily asking her aide why the National Guard wasn’t at the Capitol when the rioting started. “Why weren’t the National Guard there to begin with?” she asks.

      “We did not have any accountability for what was going on there and we should have, this is ridiculous,” Pelosi says, while her aide responds that security officials thought they had sufficient resources. “They clearly didn’t know and I take responsibility for not having them just prepare for more,” Pelosi says in the video.

      There is no mention of a request from Trump, and Pelosi never said that she took “full responsibility for Jan. 6.”

      In a statement, Pelosi spokesman Ian Krager said Trump’s repeated comments about Pelosi are revisionist history.

      “Numerous independent fact-checkers have confirmed again and again that Speaker Pelosi did not plan her own assassination on January 6th,” Krager said. “The Speaker of the House is not in charge of the security of the Capitol Complex — on January 6th or any other day of the week.”

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    13. "First of all, a mob of unarmed people couldn't force the country to accept a President who had lost the election."

      Typical Dickhead, setting up the straw man so he can knock him down.

      The plan was to pressure Congress into not certifying the election on J6 and instead send it back to the States, so Trump and his congressional allies could keep stirring up dust and try to get the States to change their certifications.

      You lying tool.

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    14. Dickhead, are you a Russian asset or just as lazy and stupid as you appear to be?

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  11. I would compare Trump's cabinet to Stalin. Stalin had Beria, Trump has Goetz. Criminals and crooks like to surround themselves with other criminals, degenerates, and miscreants.

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  12. The Trump Presidency is going to be a disaster for both, Trump and white people.
    Couldn't happen to a better bunch of folks.

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  13. Bob calls Musk and Ramaswamy "crackpot". I'm not sure if that's his opinion or the FT's opinion. Either way, it's a serious charge, but no evidence is offered to back it up.

    Furthermore their incredible success shows that they're usually able people. Why does he do this? IMO it's a way to delegitimize two Trump supporters based on nothing.

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    1. David,
      Do you have a problem with people making serious charges, who can't back them up with any evidence at all?
      Asking for people who have been told there is a Republican voter who cares about something other than bigotry and white supremacy.

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    2. Musk is delightfully crackpot.

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    3. Ramasmarmy is more like it. I see nothing in his resume that suggests he deserves admiration.

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    4. In the run up to this election Musk posted or liked multiple pieces of misinformative and easily debunked propaganda about Harris and her campaign on his media outlet. So no, he is not a crackpot. He is something worse.

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    5. For DIC, anyone who is wealthy cannot, by definition, be a crackpot. After all, they’ve got money and need to be admired.

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    6. Cecelia, like Trump, thinks cabinet members should be selected for their appearance not their competence at doing a job.

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    7. Musk has scammed billions from taxpayers to fund a rocket that lands by itself, something NASA accomplished in the 90s at a fraction of the cost.

      Trump, Musk, et al are all snake oil salesmen, their supporters are marks in a con game.

      Republicans have fucked around and now they are finding out, and there will be no pity for them.

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    8. "Either way, it's a serious charge, but no evidence is offered to back it up."

      Hey Dickhead, what evidence did Trump provide that the 2020 election was stolen? It was kind of a serious charge, wasn't it? Kind of seems like it was a way to delegitimize the Democrats based on nothing, doesn't it? You lying tool.

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    9. @12:55 - Look in the mirror, Why do you support pols whose policies hurt black Americans? Pols who
      Oppose school choice -- keeping many black children trapped in failing schools
      Support open borders -- competition from illegal immigrants keeps more blacks unemployed and keeps their salaries low
      Favor higher minimum wage -- keeps blacks out of the labor force.

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    10. David in Cal,
      Pick a lane!
      Were Republicans trying to overthrow the United States Capitol on January 6, 2021, or are they just a bunch of snowflakes who live in constant fear of black people having equality?
      Or both?

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  14. Poor liberals, it's like November of 2016 all over again, and they are freshly deranged.

    Hey, who am I kidding: I love it!

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    1. It's like May 17, 1954 was for Conservatives.

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    2. I too am soooo glad that White men have returned to power.

      I agree with 2:05, White power!

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    3. Reagan Republicans, like 3:38, are out in full force.

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