NEW NORMALS: Candidate Harris is "trash," he said!

TUESDAY, NOVEMBER 5, 2024

Did Yeats get it right? No one can say that this incomparable site isn't shaping the national discourse.

This very morning, Morning Joe began with a reading from The Making of the President 1960, the iconic book by Theodore White. We're forced to tell you this:

Inevitably, the reading came from the very first page of the famous book—from White's account of the voting that year in Hart's Location, the Dixville Notch of that day.

The leading authority tells us this about that northern hamlet:

Hart's Location, New Hampshire

Hart's Location is a town in Carroll County, New Hampshire, United States. Since 1948, the town has frequently been one of the first places to declare its results for the New Hampshire presidential primary and U.S. presidential elections.

The population was 68 in the 2020 census. It was incorporated in 1795.

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New Hampshire law allows towns with fewer than 100 residents to open the polls at midnight and close them as soon as all registered voters have cast their ballots...The tradition of first-in-the-nation voting in Hart's Location dates back to 1948.

That's how it's done in the Granite State. You may recall the famous old saying: 

As goes the state of New Hampshire, so goes no one else!

Fuller disclosure! According to that same authority, the population of Hart's Location was actually 7 (seven!) back in 1960. 

This seems to mean that someone is confused or misinformed in some way. We say that because White's famous book begins with this passage, as read over patriotic music on today's Morning Joe:

The Making of the President, 1960

It was invisible, as always. 

They had begun to vote in the villages of New Hampshire at midnight, as they always do, seven and a half hours before the candidate rose. His men had canvassed Hart’s Location in New Hampshire days before, sending his autographed picture to each of the twelve registered voters in the village. They knew that they had five votes certain there, that Nixon had five votes certain—and that two were still undecided. Yet it was worth the effort, for Hart’s Location’s results would be the first flash of news on the wires to greet millions of voters as they opened their morning papers over coffee. But from there on it was unpredictable—invisible.

That's the way the book begins. The population of the village was seven—but according to White, Kennedy's men had managed to locate twelve voters there! 

(In the end, how did Hart's Location vote? White's book hurries on, doesn't say.)

We ourselves had planned to quote from White's famous book today. We had planned to focus on the ways we now live in a vastly changed nation—in a nation which is much larger, to cite one basic example.

Candidate Kennedy won Texas that year, but he did so quite narrowly. Meanwhile, Texas was a different critter at that point in time.

Below, you see population figures for three Sunbelt states, but also for the United States as a whole: 

Total population, then and now:

Texas 1960: 9,579,677
Texas 2023 (est): 30,503,301

Florida 1960: 4,951,560
Florida 2023 (est.): 22,610,726

California 1960: 15,717,204
California 2023 (est): 38,940,231

United States 1960: 179,323,175
United States 2024 (est): 335,893,238

There were many fewer Americans then. Except during spring training, the modern-day state of Florida was virtually uninhabited!

This year, Nevada is an important swing state. It was basically empty back then:

Nevada 1960: 285,278
Nevada 2023 (est): 3,194,176

We were a much smaller nation. We were also much less "diverse," and given the way our brains are wired—given the way we humans are built—running a diverse democracy tends to be a challenging task. 

(Something else is true, and it's quite important in the current circumstance. Given the limits of human discernment, there is no well-intentioned impulse which can't be unwisely pursued. We'll expound on this fact in the days ahead—and that fact is even true over here in our own Blue America.)

Time moved slower in 1960, Harper Lee once almost said. Also, with a potent, shoe-banging external enemy inspiring everyone to cohere, it was somewhat easier to run a "democracy" then.

It was also easier because we didn't have national talk radio. Also because we didn't have "cable news." 

We didn't have any 24-hour imitations of news. We didn't have the Internet, and we didn't have social media. 

Huey Long had said that every man (sic) should be a royal. Thanks to the democratization of media, the watchword today is this:

Every nutcase a king! Also, every flyweight comedian!

Every nutcase, but also every "beast?" We'll offer examples below.

Candidate Kennedy squeaked out a win in 1960. Candidate Nixon narrowly lost. 

Last night, Dixville Notch split its vote—three votes for Candidate Harris, three votes for Candidate Trump. Meanwhile, is a beast slouching toward Bethlenem? We refer to the gloomy Yeats.

In the wake of the First World War, Yeats was perhaps a bit gloomy. His famous poem, The Second Coming, was written in 1919. The leading authority on the poem offers this overview:

The Second Coming (poem)

“The Second Coming” is a poem written by Irish poet William Butler Yeats in 1919, first printed in The Dial in November 1920...The poem uses Christian imagery regarding the Apocalypse and Second Coming to describe allegorically the atmosphere of post-war Europe. It is considered a major work of modernist poetry...

The poem was written in 1919 in the aftermath of the First World War and the beginning of the Irish War of Independence in January 1919, which followed the Easter Rising in April 1916, and before the British government had decided to send in the Black and Tans to Ireland. Yeats used the phrase "the second birth" instead of "the Second Coming" in his first drafts.

To understand Yeats′s cosmology it is essential to read his book A Vision, where he explained his views on history and how it informed his poetry. Yeats saw human history as a series of epochs, what he called "gyres." He saw the age of classical antiquity as beginning with the Trojan War and then that thousand year cycle was overtaken by the Christian era, which is coming to a close. And that is the basis of the final line of the poem: "And what rough beast, its hour come round at last / Slouches towards Bethlehem to be born?"

According to Yeats, a beast was slouching toward Bethlehem. Today, more than a century later, we can't quite say he was wrong.

Are beasts advancing on our own culture, such as it is? In this, our vastly changed semi-nation, we will start with this:

Yesterday, during a rally in Atlanta, a candidate who was severely mistreated as a child and as a youth gave voice to his pain in this way:

VANCE (11/4/2024): The citizens of this country are not garbage for wanting to afford groceries and a nice place to live. But in two days, we're going to take out the trash in Washington, D.C. And the trash's name is Kamala Harris.

AUDIENCE: [Cheers, applause]

VANCE: All right. So let me leave you with one final thought...

"In a clearing stands a boxer?" Fuller lyrics below.

For now, to see the candidate call his opponent "trash," click here for the C-Span videotape. Then, move ahead to minute 55.

For better or worse, none of the candidates called anyone "trash" during the 1960 campaign. Regarding Vance, we've made this suggestion before:

A child who is mistreated in the remarkable ways he describes in his own famous book may show the effects of such abuse at later points in his life. This seems to be another way we humans are built. It isn't the fault of the child.

Candidate Vance was calling her trash. During the now-famous Garden Party, she was portrayed as a prostitute. Also, the persistently thoughtful Hulk Hogan seemed to portray her engaging in oral sex.

In Blue America, our tribunes quickly disappeared this array of gender-based insults. This instant abandonment of the woman also seems to be part of the way we human beings are wired.

As of yesterday, Candidate Vance was calling her trash! Meanwhile, Tucker Carlson is now offering this account of our problems with stormy weather:

Tucker Carlson Says Abortions Cause Hurricanes in Election Eve Broadcast

Tucker Carlson, a top surrogate for former President Donald J. Trump who spoke at the Republican National Convention this summer and made racist claims at a Trump rally last week at Madison Square Garden, said on Monday that the increased occurrence of hurricanes in the United States was a consequence of abortion—which he characterized as “human sacrifice.”

Appearing on a podcast hosted by Stephen K. Bannon, a right-wing political strategist and Trump ally who was just released from prison, Mr. Carlson repeatedly portrayed abortion—a medical procedure—as a kind of religious human sacrifice. He dismissed scientific research that links global warming to the increased potency and frequency of hurricanes, saying instead that “it’s probably abortion, actually.”

“I’m sure I’ll be attacked for saying this, but I really believe it,” Mr. Carlson said, adding, “You can’t participate in human sacrifice without consequences.”

Throughout his 25-minute appearance on Mr. Bannon’s “War Room” podcast, Mr. Carlson described himself as a secular person but spoke of politics in starkly religious terms.

Mr. Carlson also described nuclear weapons as “demonic,” adding that they were created by “not-human forces,” and asserted that the U.S. military had “consistently” targeted and killed Christian populations since the end of World War II.

The account of this fellow's "bizarre remarks" in the past few years continues on from there. 

For better or worse, the Times still hasn't reported Carlson's recent bombshell disclosure—his revelation that he was attacked and bloodied by demons in the middle of the night while his wife and his four dogs continued to sleep, without awakening, right there in the same bed.

Trump and Vance and Carlson oh my? Let's throw in Elon Musk, who has become a major player in the ongoing "democratization of media"—in the process designed to make every fruitcake a king.

Stating the obvious, there's no perfect way to run a "national discourse." The discourse wasn't perfect in 1960. Grudgingly, White seems to acknowledge this fact at one point in his book.

Today, the discourse is an unmistakable joke. (Frequently, it's a "dirty" joke.) Part of the joke involves the way the finer elements in the news business have agreed to avert their gaze from the encroachment of the possible beasts.

Trump and Vance and Carlson oh my! Are beasts slouching toward our own Bethlehem as we go to the polls?

On Morning Joe, Joe was reading a passage about a village during a simpler time. 

White's book describes the start of a political era. Is that major political era slouching toward a very dangerous end?

This afternoon: Unreported far and wide! Gutfeld and Watters edition

Fuller lyrics: Fuller lyrics, from Paul Simon (1968):

In the clearing stands a boxer
And a fighter by his trade
And he carries the remainders
Of every glove that laid him down
And cut him till he cried out
In his anger and his shame
“I am leaving, I am leaving”
But the fighter still remains...

 Simon's song is deeply humane. We've suggested that you pity the child but strip the adult of power. 


46 comments:

  1. JD Vance's couch is cheating on him with an ottoman.

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  2. None of my wolverines has ever had an abortion. Nor has a hurricane ever struck my house.

    There are no coincidences.

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  3. Somerby can attribute these derogatory quotes all he wants, but he is still giving them breath and air, repeating them for the last minutes voters who might come across his daily diatribe. And Somerby doesn't waste a bit of space rebutting or combatting any of the bile aimed at Harris. He gave up repeating that he himself was going to vote for Harris a long time ago.

    What a useless waste of space Somerby's essays have become. He has nothing to say, certainly nothing in his own words. No one cares about White and no one cares whether there are more people today than in 1960, duh! Somerby makes no point.

    I hope everyone here has already voted for Harris. There may or may not be some last minute chaos at polling places. It will be a huge relief to have this election over so that the people can begin the process of healing and Trump can return to court and we can finish holding him accountable for his crimes.

    Somerby seems to have nothing left to say to anyone, so perhaps he will retire. He has done no good during this election and surely must have better ways to spend his days.

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    1. "Somerby seems to have nothing left to say to anyone, so perhaps he will retire."

      But wouldn't that disasterously deprive us of your estimable wisdom as well?

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    2. Assume you are being sarcastic, but I too have other things I could be doing.

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    3. And yet your priority is entertaining us? You're heroic.

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    4. Judging by the comments, it isn't clear that anything I write is "entertaining."

      My main priority in life is eating. Playing bridge is second, then comes spouse, friends and family, sex, watching TV, reading, travel and helping my grandson with his schoolwork. After that comes live theater, shopping and chores, going to movies, visiting the great outdoors, travel to other countries, and a bit of exercise on a treadmill.

      Somerby comes way last, which is as it should be. I hope your life is as full as mine because Somerby is truly a waste of time, serving no other purpose than to annoy liberals and misinform anyone credulous enough to believe him. I remember him at the beginning, but when the racism and misogyny crept into his essays, I decided he is not a harmless old crank but a hopefully harmless old bigot. YMMV

      I hope Harris wins. If she doesn't, I may have to move to Mexico or Iceland (maybe split time between both). It would be heartbreaking to see the USA slide down into the muck that Trump and his minions would create. We went through that in 2016 (because of Russia's interference in our democracy). If it happens again, that is a battle others will have to fight because I will leave before anyone thinks it would be fun to deport me (with my Hispanic heritage, past activism, and academic credentials). I am hoping the USA comes to its senses and does the right thing today.

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    5. https://prospect.org/politics/2024-10-30-what-will-you-do-trump-wins/

      Rick Perlstein lists some situations that may arise from Project 2025 and Trump's election promises, if he wins.

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    6. "...because Somerby is truly a waste of time...

      And yet here you are.

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    7. How does Somerby enrich your life?

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  4. "He (Somerby) gave up repeating that he himself was going to vote for Harris a long time ago."

    As long ago as yesterday:

    "Now, the Iowa poll suggests that Candidate Harris might actually win the Hawkeye State! (Or possibly not, of course.)

    In our view, tis a dream devoutly to be wished."

    So you couldn't be more wrong. You're as wrong as wrong can be. Your wrongness leaps out from the screen at us, it follows us as we go about our business during the day and we can't help wonder: how could someone be that stupid?

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    1. Do you think these words say the same thing as:

      I have mailed in my ballot for Kamala Harris.
      I am voting today for Kamala Harris.
      I suggest that others vote for Harris too because she is the best alternative to the disturbed Trump.

      Notice that saying "devoutly to be wished" does not say by whom. Of course Harris supporters are wishing for her to win, but Somerby never refers to himself with the vague quote you supply. Does "In our view" do the job? No, because he is referring to the polls in the paragraph you pulled the quote from. Somerby states no endorsement of Harris and he won't, because he is pushing the idea that Harris is trash today. He said that too and never rebuts it.

      Is Somerby that slippery? You betcha!

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    2. What I liked most about your reply is not just that the contradiction I presented to you bounced off your brain like a baseball off a concrete wall, but you even ended on a peppy, upbeat note, as if to say, “Gotta go! Lots more confusion to spread in the world!”

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    3. Of course Somerby will vote for Harris. She's running against a self-admitted sexual predator, promising to bring fascism to the Federal Government.
      What kind of asshole are you accusing Somerby of being?

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    4. Here's what Bob says in his second post today:

      "We've just returned from a two-block hike to our voting place. Based upon the votes we cast after perhaps a three-minute wait, Harris and Walz will be elected today."

      Please, torture this paragraph to death. Violate the Geneva Convention. The important thing is to mainain your belief that Bob doesn't support Kamala.

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    5. I think Somerby is the same kind of asshole as other Trump voters. Based on what he has written here, he thinks women who are raped deserve what they got (like Chanel Miller who never should have drunk too much at that party). He thinks Stormy Daniel was a grifter and committed extortion (because Somerby accepts Trump's lies as truth and disbelieves Daniels' statements). He defended Roy Moore from charges of pedophilia for sexual abuse of 14 year old girls, because the press should have placed more importance on his "dates" with 17-18 year olds and ignored the concerns of his coworkers, a signed yearbook, and other evidence because he is married now and running for office.

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    6. Somerby has not said he voted for Harris. Without a clear statement, I don't think we can conclude anything about who he voted for.

      Even Somerby's vote is secret. But that means we can conclude what we want about it, since anything is possible and we have no way of knowing the truth. Even if he were to tell us he voted for Harris, he could be lying. He wouldn't be making a factually incorrect statement or misstatement of the truth, because he would have marked his own ballot and thus would know the truth of what he did.

      "Based on the votes we cast...Harris and Walz will be elected today." That is a surmise about the outcome of the election and it has nothing to do with how Somerby marked his ballot. It is not a statement that Somerby voted for Harris. For all we know, he may live in a solid blue district that will elect Harris no matter how Somerby voted, whether he voted for Trump or not.

      Somerby makes a big show of calling for precise language in answers to press questions, especially when it is Harris being asked things, but he has not made a precise of definitive statement about his own vote. He just said that he thinks Harris will be elected. His single vote (for Harris or for Trump) is not going to decide the election, so it is a somewhat facetious remark with no information value at all.

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    7. "Based on the votes we cast..."

      Somerby is only one person. How then did he cast multiple votes. (The sentences says "voteS" not "vote"). There is only one vote for the president & VP combined, not a separate vote for each. Somerby again uses the word "we" but he is just one guy. As a "we" he might have cast one vote for Harris and one for Trump, but because he is one guy, he must choose (or not vote, or vote for someone else, perhaps by write-in). But one guy is not enough people to swing his district in any direction.

      So, Somerby has written gibberish and others here are taking it to be meaningful. When he refers to himself properly you might begin to take him seriously.

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    8. I knew you wouldn't let us down. No fact is big enough to affect your tiny mind.

      And just for giggles, google the term, 'the royal we'. To learn the depths of your own ignorance.

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    9. The royal we is a means of evading responsibility for a statement.

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    10. "He wouldn't be making a factually incorrect statement or misstatement of the truth, because he would have marked his own ballot and thus would know the truth of what he did."

      Word salad of the year?

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    11. Just applying Somerby’s definition of a lie.

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    12. "The royal we is a means of evading responsibility for a statement."

      No it's not. Even after I tell you how to get the definition so you can correct your misstatement, you still botch it.

      It's 'the use of “we” instead of “I” by an individual person.' It's just a different way of saying 'I'.

      The only evasion entailed here is your own mind whenever it encounters a logical thought.

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    13. Somerby is not royal. He doesn’t speak for the people. If he means I he must say I, otherwise it is unclear what he means. The royal we is not a thing in the USA because we have no royalty.

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    14. So your argument is that Bob used 'we' in claiming to have voted for Harris, to evade responsibility for the truth of his claim, even though there's no way anyone could ever verify the truth of his claim.

      See what I mean about you and logic? It's like oil and water.

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    15. He likes to be slippery that way.

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    16. If he voted for Harris, he could say so. This evasion suggests he didn’t vote for her.

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  5. There are evil people in the world. Yes, they must be prevented from doing harm. But they need not be pitied. They did mean things to other children while young and they are still doing mean things to others as adults. I pity their victims, not the wrongdoers who have had chance after chance to develop into better human beings.

    For some reason, Somerby never studied social science and is ill-equipped to understand other people. It may be why his comedy career never took off. You can bet that Trump and his malevolent crew understand the saps they prey upon as they grift and promote their self-interest. Somerby looks at Trump and pities him but has not a concern in the world for the people he harms, judging by his words here.

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  6. Here is the MAGA game plan going forward:

    https://www.rawstory.com/raw-investigates/trump-election-violence/?utm_source=superhead

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  7. Somerby tells us that Carlson said this:

    "...said on Monday that the increased occurrence of hurricanes in the United States was a consequence of abortion—which he characterized as “human sacrifice.”"

    Somerby didn't say that lack of access to abortion is causing deaths among women who are miscarrying or having pregnancy complications in states that prohibit abortion. Those are the actual human sacrifices. There has also been a big increase in infant mortability (babies who are born and then die after birth due to genetic abnormalities and lack of viability). The families are made to suffer much more than if they had been treated appropriately earlier in the pregnancy, and the mother's life is put at risk needlessly.

    Somerby mentions none of this because he doesn't care about those women and their families. He lets Carlson's words stand, doing harm beyond the context in which they were originally spoken. Or Somerby might have pointed out that Harris cares about women and families because she is willing to promote their health. That's why women are voting for Harris and not assholes like Carlson. But Somerby feels no empathy for women and only for the male politicians like Carlson and Trump, who he can muster up pity for, when he feels none for those who are harmed by Republican political games. It is clear who Somerby identifies with and who he cares about.

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    1. You sound like the same idiot that thinks Bob didn't vote for Kamala? Are you that idiot or a different one?

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  8. Trump will probably have an early lead in some swing states. He will use that to declare victory, perhaps even before the polls have closed in Western states. Then when the tallies change as more votes are counted, he will cry foul and claim that has been fraud. He will declare victory on the basis of a "red mirage" that creates an illusion that he is ahead when he may be losing.

    Robert Reich explains why there is a red mirage:

    "You see, in almost every election, Republicans appear to take an early lead. That’s the red mirage. Then that lead gets smaller throughout the night, which is called the “blue shift.”

    This happens because Republican votes tend to be counted before Democratic votes.

    It’s not magic. Votes are counted by precinct, and Democrats tend to live in more densely populated, urban precincts, while Republicans tend to live in more sparsely populated, rural ones. It just takes longer to count the votes in a precinct with a lot of people than in a precinct with fewer people."

    This has happened in most elections, long before Trump was on the scene. Experienced voters know about this but casual voters may not. That is why it is important not to be taken in by Republicans claims before the votes have been fully counted. That may take a while, given that vote counting rules vary by state. Be patient and wait for the outcome, and do not get excited when Trump claims to have won before all of the votes are counted.

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  9. "NEW NORMALS: Candidate Harris is "trash," he said!"

    Harris is not trash. Somerby could have said so, but instead he talks about that famous fascist-admiring poet, Yeats.

    It is not normal, new or any other kind of normal, to call a presidential candidate "trash." Even when you oppose them or disagree with them. Trump or Carlson or Vance calling someone "trash" doesn't make that kind of language normal. It makes them deviant.

    When the press and Somerby take such statements seriously and report them, instead of deploring them, that is what makes such remarks seem normal. It wouldn't have hurt Somerby one little bit to have said "Of course, Harris not trash and shouldn't be called trash." He didn't do that, did he? Why not?

    Tolerating this misbehavior in a presidential candidate (or his surrogates) cheapens our electoral process. Trump ruins everything he touches. That doesn't mean Somerby should stand by and admire his work. Somerby has never fought back against any of the unfair and mistaken things said against Harris, the candidate he has claimed to support. Again, why not? Is he a coward or a liar? Or maybe both?

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  10. From Heather Cox Richardson:

    "At the same time, the tactics the Trump campaign used to build his base have alienated the women who had stayed with him after Dobbs, and it’s clear that Trump knows it: at a rally today, he had a backdrop of women holding pink “Women for Trump” signs.

    But Trump’s running mate, Ohio senator J.D. Vance apparently didn’t get the memo: today he called Democratic presidential nominee Vice President Kamala Harris “trash,” prompting MSNBC host Nicolle Wallace to say: “In my humble view, light’s out. Women. You can disagree with us. We’ve actually learned to take it for our whole careers all the time in every form. But you call us trash? Oh, oh, oh, J.D. Vance. You just effed up in a way that I’ve never seen in my political life, and I worked with Sarah Palin.”

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    1. "You just effed up in a way that I’ve never seen in my political life, and I worked with Sarah Palin.”

      Haw!

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  11. 1. Dems may not have used the term “trash” in 1960, but for many decades they have relied on “Fascist” and “racist”

    2. There’s a big difference between demonizing a candidate vs demonizing all her/his supporters

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    1. That no one has a way to tell neo-Nazis and white supremacists from "fine people on the Right" at the Charlottesville "Unite the Right March", tells me the Dems may be on to something.

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    2. Words such as fascist and racist have specific meanings related to behavior people exhibit (just like the words liberal and conservative and Republican and Democrat. The word trash is a metaphor comparing people to worthless, yucky waste that is being thrown out.

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    3. "vs demonizing all her/his supporters" That is why we only demonize DiC.

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    4. DiC is not a racist Repub cause he likes self hating black men.

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  12. Urban voters are not turning out. White men are. I feel sick.

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    1. Too soon, Boris.

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    2. Still too soon?

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    3. Congratulations to President QANON.

      Now blow me Boris.

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    4. Thank God the pets in Springfield, Ohio will be saved now.

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  13. There is nothing humane about boxing. Somerby is misusing that song lyric but at least he spelled Simon’s name right.

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