REASON(S): Why might some people have voted for Trump?

THURSDAY, DECEMBER 12, 2024

Let start with (Oran's) southern border: Personally, we ourselves never considered voting for Candidate Trump.

As we've long noted, we've long assumed that Candidate Trump is fundamentally unwell. We've recommended pity—sympathy—for such disordered people. But also, it's very important to strip them of the power to do harm to other people.

In what way might Candidate Trump be "fundamentally unwell?" Back in 2017, Yale psychiatrist Dr. Bandy X. Lee assembled a group of 27 (then later, 37) medical specialists who described their views of this situation in a best-selling book.

Dr. Lee's best-selling book was called The Dangerous Case of Donald Trump. The book was quickly disappeared by Blue America's upper-end "press corps."  All in all, its assertions were never discussed.

That said, why attempt to summarize a book of 37 essays? Once again, let's consider the view of Candidate Trump offered by his niece.

Mary Trump has known her uncle her whole life, and she herself is a clinical psychologist. That doesn't mean that her assessments are right, but again, these are the assessments she offered in her own best-selling book:

MARY TRUMP (pages 12-13): None of the Trump siblings emerged unscathed from my grandfather's sociopathy and my grandmother's illnesses, both physical and psychological, but my uncle Donald and my father, Freddy, suffered more than the rest. In order to get a complete picture of Donald, his psychopathologies, and the meaning of his dysfunctional behavior, we need a thorough family history.

In the last three years, I’ve watched as countless pundits, armchair psychologists and journalists have kept missing the mark, using phrases such as "malignant narcissism" and "narcissistic personality disorder" in an attempt to make sense of Donald’s often bizarre and self-defeating behavior. I have no problem calling Donald a narcissist—he meets all nine criteria as outlined in the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM-5)but the label only gets us so far.

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[Clinical] experiences showed me time and again that diagnosis doesn't exist in a vacuum. Does Donald have other symptoms we aren't aware of? Are there other disorders that might have as much or more explanatory power? Maybe. A case could be made that he also meets the criteria for antisocial personality disorder, which in its most severe forms is generally considered sociopathy but can also refer to chronic criminality, arrogance, and disregard for the rights of others...

The fact is, Donald’s pathologies are so complex and his behaviors so often inexplicable that coming up with an accurate and comprehensive diagnosis would require a full battery of psychological and neuropsychological tests that he’ll never sit for. 

So the clinical psychologist said, in a major best-selling book. Blue America's pundit corps quickly dumbed this product down, turning Mary Trump into a standard-issue political pundit in her many appearances on MSNBC.

A person could say that Mary Trump is not an unbiased observer. That said, what did she say, in her best-selling book, about her famous uncle?

She started by saying that Donald Trump's father had been a sociopath. She also said that Donald Trump did not "emerged unscathed from [his father's] sociopathy"—indeed, that he had "suffered" from his father's psychological disorder more than his older siblings did. 

As she continued, she offered an impressive list of her uncle's alleged "psychopathologies." Along the way, she said "a case can be made" that her uncle, then the sitting American president, "meets the criteria for sociopathy," just as his father had. 

Again, a person could say that Mary Trump is not an unbiased observer—but in Dr. Lee's best-selling book. thirty-seven medical specialists had offered similar assessments.

Their assessments could always be wrong—or then again, maybe not! For ourselves, we've long assumed that something like Mary Trump's assessment is almost surely accurate. 

That said, Blue America's upper-end press corps agreed on one key point. Almost without exception, they agreed that these dire assessments must never be discussed or evaluated within the mainstream American press. 

With that, we return you to the (fictional) Oran of Albert Camus, where a plague has already started. A plague is already underway, but the citizens of Oran are unable to some to terms with that deeply dangerous fact:

The Plague

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(page 36): Everybody knows that pestilences have a way of recurring in the world; yet somehow we find it hard to believe in the [plagues] that come crashing down on our heads from a blue sky. 

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[O]ur townsfolk were like everybody else, wrapped up in themselves; in other words, they were humanists: they disbelieved in pestilences. A pestilence isn't a thing made to man's measure; therefore we tell ourselves that pestilence is a mere bogy of the mind, a bad dream that will pass away. But it doesn't always pass away and, from one bad dream to another, it is men who pass away, and the humanists first of all, because they haven't taken their precautions. 

Our townsfolk were not more to blame than others; they forgot to be modest, that was all, and thought that everything still was possible for them; which presupposed that pestilences were impossible. They went on doing business, arranged for journeys, and formed views. How should they have given a thought to anything like plague, which rules out any future, cancels journeys, silences the exchange of views. They fancied themselves free, and no one will ever be free so long as there are pestilences. 

Concerning the reactions of Oran's citizens, there's a scolding tone to Camus's portrait which we ourselves wouldn't champion. 

That said, the citizens of that fictional city weren't wired to believe in plagues. They understood that plagues do exist, but they weren't wired to believe that a plague could take place right there in their own community.

For ourselves, we're disinclined to blame regular people for the way we humans are wired. In the current instance, we're a bit less forgiving of our upper-end journalists. who disappeared Dr. Lee's book and buried Mary Trump's assessments.

Did Oran's townsfolk "forget to be modest?" Over here in Blue America, our tribunes forgot to be journalists! In theory, their training should have enabled them to move beyond the hard-wired human assumption that a plage can't possibly occur among us. 

Instead, they disappeared Dr. Lee's book—decades earlier, they'd disappeared Fools for Scandal—and when they interviewed Mary Trump on Blue America's "cable news" channel, they treated her like a political pundit. 

They didn't discuss her psychological assessments.  Such possibilities could not be discussed. 

In our own Blue America, this is the way "our favorite reporters and friends" responded to what was taking place. Under the circumstances, we offer a question:

Why do we blame regular people in Red America for the views they may hold of President Trump? Why do we blame those regular people, when our own biggest Blue stars took the dive they did? 

When we ourselves didn't notice the way our own tribe's stars were shutting down this topic?

For ourselves, it never would have crossed our mind to vote for Candidate Trump. We've long assumed, and we still do, that he is "fundamentally unwell" in the way his niece (and 37 others) alleged.

We also know that tens of millions of people in Red America have never heard a single word about either one of those best-selling books. Indeed, given the current structure of our American "journalism," there are many other things such people have never been allowed to see or to hear. 

That said, why focus on them? Over here in Blue America, very few of us have ever heard that 5.5% of adult American males can be diagnosed as "sociopaths." 

Reportedly, that's what the largest study of the topic declared. For better or worse, the people we've been told to trust have agreed that we must never hear such facts about that forbidden topic.

Our own sprawling campus is found on the outskirts of Oran. Perhaps for that reason, and with a small amount of personal history added to the mix, we've been able to consider the possibility that President Trump is, in fact, deeply unwell in the manner described by his niece.

We were also able to notice the way our own tribunes were refusing to discuss that possibility. For these reasons, if only in part, it never crossed our mind to vote for Candidate Trump. 

Full disclosure! For ourselves, we didn't think that Candidate Harris has ever seemed to be full-fledged   "presidential timber." 

(We don't mean that as an insult. Almost no one is.)

It isn't clear to us that President Biden was ever full-fledged "presidential timber" either, even after he was finally elected to that office late in a long career. Beyond that, we were possibly able to see some of things residents of our own Oran possibly still don't.

This very morning, atop its front page, the New York Times describes what happened at the southern border under President Biden.  We take it as blindingly obvious that Donald Trump was right as rain when he told Kristen Welker this:

TRUMP (12/8/24): You know, I won on two things...

You know, they like to say immigration. I break it down more to the border, but I won on the border, and I won on groceries. Very simple word, groceries. Like almost—you know, who uses the word? I started using the word—the groceries. When you buy apples, when you buy bacon, when you buy eggs, they would double and triple the price over a short period of time, and I won an election based on that. 

In this year's election, did Candidate Trump "win on the border?" In our view, the southern border would almost surely be one of the places where Candidate Harris lost some votes—and she didn't lose this election by much, despite her very late entry into the campaign.

Almost surely, Candidate Harris lost some votes because of the southern border. In our view, the southern border would also qualify as one of the likely reasons why a sensible person might have decided to vote for Candidate Trump, or perhaps to vote against Candidates Biden, then Harris.

In Oran, citizens weren't equipped to see the signs of a plague. In Blue America, many of us remain unable to see what happened in this year's election, or even to see what may now be on the way.

The others must be "deeply racist," we say. Has anyone on the face of the earth ever been more clueless than Us?

Tomorrow: The New York Times reports

67 comments:

  1. Securing our border with the corporate tax breaks Trump handed out should solve the problem.
    Whatever is left over we can use to fund the police.

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  2. How much did the cost of groceries rise due to drag queens reading to schoolchildren?

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  3. Once we start paying American citizens a living wage to pick our crops, instead of stiffing immigrants for their labor, the cost of groceries will plummet.

    #rightwingmath

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  4. We don't have a border problem. We have an asylum problem. For that the Congress has to change our asylum laws. Everything else is just bullshit.

    Also, the Haitians are eating our dogs! They're eating our cats!! They're eating our pets!!!!! And what about the geese?

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  5. Somerby, busy at work, manufacturing ignorance.

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  6. NYTimes now reports, after the election is over, “Recent Immigration Surge Has Been Largest in U.S. History”.

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    1. Yes, the NY Times is warming up the people for when Trump takes power and starts deporting immigrants (illegal, legal, child citizens of immigrant parents, people with vaguely brown skin and funny sounding names, political opponents, those who help immigrants via social services and activist organizations, Dreamers, and anyone who speaks out on behalf of those being forcibly deported or detained in camps). An authoritarian leader like Trump is planning to be, needs a complicit press who will justify dictator actions so reduce resistance. The NY Times has already started performing that invaluable service to Trump as his minions.

      This has nothing whatsoever to do with border problems and everything to do with taking power. That's why Somerby, a guy who lives near no border and has no stake in immigration at all, is so very very very concerned about the huge problem posed by those who pick our crops. But that is the justification for oppression being put forth by Trump and Somerby, like the good faithful follower he is, has been putting that forth as a horribly important issue, ever since Trump came down his escalator and the Russians (or RNC or whoever) started paying Somerby to pump out propaganda here.

      No, immigration is not a reason why someone should have voted for Trump. It is Trump's excuse for persecuting those he dislikes. After all, why would a reasonable person expect Trump to control immigration when his own wife was an illegal (working on an overstayed tourist visa) before Trump's lawyers cleaned up her mess, brought her parents to America, and made her first lady (despite her unwillingness or inability to do that job). Trump's own grandfather was a German immigrant, but Trump differentiates between good immigrants and bad ones (with dark skin, from non-Nordic shithole countries). Trump even hates US citizens of Hispanic heritage (like Puerto Ricans in NYC). So how is this guy going to do anything that makes sense at the border? He isn't. But he is going to persecute people in the name of border policy.

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  7. Polls indicate that a majority of voters that closely or moderately follow news media voted for Harris.

    Corporate media is garbage, it has an outsized and unhealthy influence among politicians, but it’s not particularly influential with the electorate, and it was not determinative in this election.

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  8. With the height of irony/hypocrisy, Somerby literally types this howler:

    “there's a scolding tone…which we ourselves wouldn't champion”

    Sure, Bob, sure.

    Somerby reveals he does not support Trump, but on the basis of some murky state of being mentally “unwell”. Not Trump’s terrible policies, or criminality, or corruption.

    Ok, Bobby.

    Somerby goes on to make the false claim, with zero substantiation, that Trump being unfit for presidency was not a common topic in Blue America.

    Somerby then agrees with Trump on why he won, and again Somerby does not bother to offer any substantiation for his ludicrous claim.

    No Somerby, Harris did not lose because Trump beat her on issues like the border and inflation; in reality, Trump did not increase his support, considering demographics and population growth, over 2020 when he badly lost. Harris ran a nearly identical campaign to Biden’s in 2020, but Dems did not come out to vote, it was a low turnout election - Trump did not win (he only got 30% of the electorate) so much as Harris lost due low turnout, with the clear and obvious differences being: lack of universal mail in ballots, a woman of color candidate, and increasingly sophisticated Republican dirty tricks/voter suppression.

    Somerby thinks blaming the border and inflation make sense, but that blaming racism is clueless, yet offers no evidence for this ridiculous claim. It does seem Somerby is on a mission to make his readers clueless.

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    1. Somerby repeats what he is told to repeat.

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  9. Trump to Palestinians: there will be hell to pay

    Trump to Netanyahu: finish the job

    We support the Palestinians in their effort to defend against Israel’s genocide.

    But for those that supposedly support the Palestinians, while contributing to Trump getting elected, we are out of fucks to give.

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  10. Following a long history of wanting to cut Social Security, including cuts to SS in all his budgets in his first term as president, Trump is now gearing up again to cut SS, with two unelected bureaucrats taking the lead - both carpetbagging snake oil salesmen.

    The Dems will block these efforts, per usual.

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  11. Brian Thompson, noted social murderer, has died.

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  12. My advice to Republicans, hire some bodyguards.

    It’s likely the next four years will involve some degree of Republicans transitioning from the “fuck around” phase to the “finding out” phase.

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  13. As a Republican, I own lots of guns, but do not fear, I only use bullet ballots for ammo.

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  14. In a blind poll, a majority of Republicans preferred Harris’ policies over Trump’s.

    Typical of Republicans, lacking integrity is a feature, not a bug.

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    1. Indeed.

      Republicans polled the day before the election: the economy is in ruin, society is in decline

      Republicans polled the day after the election: the economy is booming, everything is fine

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  15. Somerby endorses a culture of impunity, where racists, sexists, and sexual predators may be pitied but are not to face responsibility for their actions.

    Utter lunacy, borne from ignorance, and very dangerous.

    https://press.un.org/en/2024/ga12633.doc.htm

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    1. Article says, The UN is doing a terrible job of maintaining world peace so we should give it more support. I think a better conclusion is that we should acknowledge the UN's ineffectiveness and look for other ways to maintain world peace.

      BTW the logic that any result justifies a bigger budget permeates our government.
      "Agency X is doing a great job, so we should give it more money."
      Or
      "Agency X is doing a bad job. We should give it more money so that it can do better."

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    2. This reflects a fundamental misunderstanding of the purpose of the UN.

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    3. Fake news, that’s an inaccurate summary of what the article says.

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    4. Here's one reason the UN is ineffective at maintaining peace:

      UNRWA Gives Rise to Palestinian Terrorism’: Experts React to NYT Expose Revealing UN Staff Active Hamas Members

      Dozens of senior staff at UNRWA, including school principals, are active members of Hamas and other terrorist groups, according to a New York Times investigation...

      RWA expert Einat Wilf...argued that the Times‘ exposé detracted from the real issue: that UNRWA perpetuates the conflict by entrenching the refugee narrative and fostering a new generation committed to terrorism.

      “UNRWA is not infiltrated by Hamas; UNRWA is the soil that constantly gives rise to more violent Palestinian organizations,” Wilf told The Algemeiner.

      Residents of Gaza told the Times that Hamas’s presence in UNRWA schools was “an open secret,” with one example of an UNRWA teacher “regularly seen after hours in Hamas fatigues carrying a Kalashnikov.”
      https://www.algemeiner.com/2024/12/09/unrwa-gives-rise-palestinian-terrorism-experts-react-nyt-expose-revealing-un-staff-active-hamas-members/

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    5. Fake news, the UNRWA story has long since been debunked, but The NY Times is a pro Zionist, neoliberal corporate entity, which is why it has no credibility and is ignored by most Dems, progressives, leftists.

      https://www.npr.org/2024/04/28/1247702980/an-independent-review-finds-no-evidence-for-israels-claims-about-unrwa-and-hamas

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    6. The article points out that the impunity doctrine that Somerby endorses has led to the top 1 percent owning 43% of the world’s financial assets.

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    7. Thanks for the link, @12:47. I trust the Times more, because
      1. That a particular study found no evidence doesn't prove that evidence doesn't exist. That study doesn't claim to have proved that no UNRWA workers are affiliated with Hamas.
      2. The NPR study was from 8 months ago. More evidence has arisen since than.
      3. The NYTimes is not pro-Israel. On the contrary, the
      Committee for Accuracy in Middle East Reporting and Analysis has often cited the Times for reporting that's slanted against Israel. See many examples at https://www.camera.org/search_gcse/?q=newyork+times
      4. NPR has been enormously anti-Israel for a long time. See a zillion examples at https://www.camera.org/search_gcse/?q=national+public+radio

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    8. David in Cal,
      Is it your stance that giving people or organizations more money in a Capitalist society doesn't make things better?
      Asking for workers, whose CEOs make 300 times the workers annual compensation.

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    9. The top 5 executives at the Committee for Accuracy in Middle East Reporting are named Levin, Breiman, Safian, Katzen and Greenwald. No obvious agenda there. Accurately reporting the activities of an entity that are appropriately criticized, like the apartheid practices of Israel, is no more biased against Israel than reporting on the antisemitic college protesters was biased against antisemetic student protesters.

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  16. Yawn.

    This blog is dead.

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    1. Actually, the blog is fine; it's the comment section that is brain-dead.

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    2. 1:39 - some self-reflection?

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  17. Trump, in his first term, lost thousands of manufacturing jobs, and tanked our economy.

    Biden came in and rescued our economy, bringing back thousands of manufacturing jobs.

    Rinse, repeat.

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    1. But Trump is going to lower grocery prices! What? He said what this week? That lowering prices is hard, very hard? Maybe he can convince the Mexicans, who export over 40% of our vegetables to us, to lower their prices. But only after putting tariffs on them. Makes perfect sense.

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  18. "Blue America's pundit corps quickly dumbed this product down, turning Mary Trump into a standard-issue political pundit in her many appearances on MSNBC."

    Somerby complains because the media supposedly paid too little attention to Bandy Lee, even though that is demonstrably untrue. Mary Trump received plenty of attention for her book, so Somerby complains that she has received too much attention, making her into a regular guest on cable shows and thus a garden-variety pundit. So, the media can't win no matter what it does -- it will always be at fault to Somerby.

    Meanwhile, the best analysis of Trump's cognitive decline doesn't come from these psychologists but from a neuroscientist who has analyzed his language use to point out his incipient and worsening dementia. Somerby never mentioned that guy, perhaps because he doesn't fit Somerby's theory that these are all "lost boys" with childhood trauma (yes, including Trump), to be pitied but never never never removed from power, much less denied red votes. He is supposedly giving us another reason for a reasonable person to support Trump today, but after mentioning Oran (why?), he is instead attacking Blue America again today.

    We didn't put Trump into office, no matter what Somerby says. Our lack of support for Trump did not make red America so angry that it voted for Trump out of spite. That is the only reason Somerby has given so far to support Trump and it is bogus. If there is anyone in this country who is not responsible for Trump's election, it is Blue America, because we all worked our butts off to keep him out of the presidency and our efforts were subverted here by Somerby (who couldn't find a single nice thing to say about Harris, except she smiled a lot, assuming that is nice) and overruled by cretins who do not understand that we can lose our democracy by voting for assholes instead of qualified candidates.

    This is the aftermath of the election but Somerby has no clue what it is important to say. He is still repeating the right's tired talking points while Biden is engaged in last ditch efforts to protect the vulnerable from Republican excess. It is as if Somerby doesn't notice what Democrats actually do, but the actual reason for that is that he receives his talking points from the right, not the left, while lying about his actual affinities.

    Isn't it time for him to have another medical appt or something? He clearly has nothing useful to say here.

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    1. Agree (mostly, unresolved trauma is a core societal issue), it’s a waste of time to focus on explaining Trump voters, particularly from their point of view. Somerby is just weaponizing this topic to use as a bludgeon against Dems.

      We already understand Republican voters, understand how their vote is baked in during their formative years, understand that electoral politics is about motivation, not persuasion.

      It’s nonsensical to take advice from your enemies, it’s offered in bad faith. Duh.

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    2. Somerby’s essay implicitly calls for introspection within Blue America—asking whether it has adequately addressed the concerns of Trump voters or countered media failures. I would evaluate whether this call for introspection is fair instead of engaging in rhetorically passionate but logically incomplete riffraff. A more effective critique would directly address the validity of Somerby’s claims, challenge his use of evidence, and analyze the logical consistency of his arguments.

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    3. I wonder how Mary Trump feels about being dismissed as a “product” after working so hard to tell audiences what Trump is like.

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    4. Somerby presents no evidence.

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    5. I will then consider your illiteracy as the mother of your failure to engage with the essay’s structure, central questions, and use of metaphor.

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    6. The comment at @12:22 PM created a straw man constructed entirely of paraphrase.

      Can you "demonstrate" the coverage of Trump being called a sociopath as a problem for the public? ? Is calling him a sociopath a right-wing talking point? Can you prove this blog cost the Democrats the election? Did the blog actually say "Trump could have used more support"?

      If you talk to everyone like they're stupid, make sure you're actually smart first.

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  19. Trump, in his first term, had disastrous foreign policies, creating dumpster fires throughout the world, leading to a spike of immigration, with Trump’s only answering being to treat immigrants inhumanely.

    Biden came in and immediately canceled Trump’s inhumane policies, and then set about resolving the issues that cause immigration, while recognizing that immigrants are the lifeblood and backbone of our country, contributing billions of dollars every year to our revenue, and causing little harm, having a much lower crime rate than native born citizens.

    Rinse, repeat.

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  21. t’s hard to believe that Soros pays anonymices to get overwrought and indignant at Bob for saying Trump is a sociopath and then icing that cake by referencing The Plague, which is a book likening an epidemic to the burgeoning fascism of the 1940s, starring Mussolini and Hitler.

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    1. It is apparently not hard at all for a dumbass like yourself to believe that Soros pays commenters on this blog while going all in on the notion that Somerby, without any other known source of income apart from Social Security writes these long winded diatribes for free. Talk about naive.

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    2. He perhaps has a teacher’s pension and whatever his mother left him.

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    3. I believe he was a trust fund baby, given that his father died when he was in elementary school.

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    4. 9:46: a teacher's pension for how many years spent teaching to avoid the Viet Namwar?

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  22. There is a lack of awareness among some individuals about the impact of the southern border on the election.

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    1. You've run out of ideas, so you came up with this.

      Gotcha.

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  23. I thought we were getting a report from 1965 or it could’ve been 1966 today? You know how it all started back then according to Somerby and he even happened to be there? We’re waiting.

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  24. Somerby takes Trump (and these times) in a far more ominous and serious way than anonymices do and they think HE’S the foreign agent.

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    1. Trump is't a foreign agent. He's a victim of Putin's blackmail.

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    2. You're wrong.

      I take Trump far more seriously than Bob, who I know not to be a foreign agent.

      I guess you're conflating the few to all, just like Bob regularly does with his Blue Tribe bullshit.

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    3. Anonymouse 2:09pm, no, you’re not more serious than Somerby is as to Trump. The only thing you’re serious about is whatever happens to hurt your feelings. Which Bob does. You ignore every thing Bob says due to Bob not telling you how wonderful you are. You’ve picked the wrong guy for that sort of fluffing, but there are plenty of other blogs that will do it for you.

      Ironically, you and another commenter have posted at 2:09pm. Please tell me which one is you so I can appreciate your individuality.

      Get a verified nym, clown, and you wont be confused with every other anonymouse.

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    4. Cecelia appears to be Somerby whispering again.

      And she doesn’t know what “conflating” means either.

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    5. Anonymouse 5:20pm, speaking of whispering, Bob isn’t doing that when he calls the U.S. Onran and talks of Trump being a sociopath.

      I do understand what conflating means, but you’re telling me I’m supposed to make a distinction between commenters who don’t wish to be distinct.

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    6. And now for breaking news. The reality TV star that said he would lower the price of groceries says that doing so is very hard. Very hard.

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    7. Cecelia, people want to be recognized for their ideas not some made up name.

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    8. The last time Trump said something was very hard he was in a hotel room with Stormy Daniels.

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  25. Anonymouse 8:18, the anonymouse was the person whining that they weren’t being recognized as an individual. How can you recognize people for their ideas, let alone their individuality, when it’s all online and they’re one of several people who post under the label “anonymous”. You can’t. If they all posted consistently under a “fake name” then they actually could get that sort of recognization, moron.

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    1. No, commenters object to you not recognizing the clear differences in different comments here, easily identified by time stamp. You pretend confusion in order to annoy others, like the anti-social troll you are.

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    2. Anonymouse 10:00am, a time stamp only identifies when a post was sent. That’s all the info it tells us. There can several people posting before, during, just after, long after any particular message.

      I have never tried to excuse anything via “pretend confusion”. On the other hand it takes an obscene amount of presumption to argue that people should be able to know one anonymous person from another based upon tone and time stamp.

      Stick that where the sun don’t shine..

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    3. I've got an idea for whatever it is that calls itself Cecelia. Why doesn't it behave itself like other commenters do here, without complaint, in responding to comments placed by anonymous posters, without constantly complaining about how difficult it has it? Could it do that or does it derive its energy from perpetually bitching about how hard it is to post its snarky comments here?

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    4. Anonymouse 2:17am, you don’t have any idea of what’s going on (duh), because you don’t know how to read. I wasn’t bitching, I was responding to being bitched at by anonymices arguing that I should not lump their anonymous generic selves all together. That each anonymouse is so luminous in her anonymity that I should be able to distinguish their preciousness via their unique something or another.

      Their complaints are the essence of childish unreasonable and really shockingly clueless and egotistical thinking. All the qualities compatible with trolling. That I’ll give them and you.

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    5. I'm holding out for Mao and David in Cal to call people out for trolling.

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    6. Instead of trolling with the whole bigotry routine you're waiting for others to call people out for trolling.

      One does exhibit a slightly lesser degree of jackassery than the other, so thank you for choosing it.





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    7. Q. How many Right-wing accusations are really confessions?

      A. All of them, Katie.

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