TRUST: He hailed from our neighbor to the north....

WEDNESDAY, APRIL 9, 2025

...where he had some peculiar ideas: As we noted yesterday, Johnny Carson was one of the first to pose the important question. In fairness, his wording was slightly off:

Who Do You Trust?

Who Do You Trust? [was] an American television game show.

...[T]he show premiered in prime time on CBS in January 1956 and was hosted by Edgar Bergen. The show lasted in this form until March 1957. In September of that year, the show was revamped as a daytime program, and Johnny Carson was installed as host. 

The show was the start of Carson's career on network TV. His next stop was the Tonight show.

"Who Do You Trust?" was the name of that show. Our question is slightly different. All this week, we're asking these questions. 

Who can an American citizen trust? As a citizen, who should you trust?

"Trust but verify," President Reagan famously said. He was speaking about the Soviet Union, but the advice is quite good here at home.

In theory, no public official, journalist or professor should ever be trusted completely. But at some point, a citizen has to make a basic general assessment:

As a general matter, who can you pretty much trust? A corollary question might go like this:

Who can't you trust in any way? Who can't you sensibly trust at all?

For the record, we're speaking here about trusting someone's overall judgment—about trusting some public figure's intellect, wisdom, honesty. For today, we'll let ourselves focus on one public figure:

Should you trust—can a sensible person trust—the judgment of Elon Musk?

Musk is—and Musk has been—a very important person. Forget his current performance at DOGE. All the way back in 2021, Time magazine hailed him as its Person of the Year.

The sponge bath started as shown:

Elon Musk: 2021 TIME Person of the Year

The richest man in the world does not own a house and has recently been selling off his fortune. He tosses satellites into orbit and harnesses the sun; he drives a car he created that uses no gas and barely needs a driver. With a flick of his finger, the stock market soars or swoons. An army of devotees hangs on his every utterance. He dreams of Mars as he bestrides Earth, square-jawed and indomitable. Lately, Elon Musk also likes to live-tweet his poops.

That was the start of the fluff-infested fiddle-faddle about this swinger of birches. Please don't blame the journalists for this (Ball, Kluger and de la Garza). That's the type of silliness their editors demand in such essays.

That said, riddle us one peculiar disclosure. With apologies for the inanity, Time magazine's Person of the Year "likes to live-tweet his poops?"

Quickly, the journalists supported their surprising claim. before resuming their lionization. Also, the journalists reported that Musk had only been doing that "lately."  

Still, however accomplished this person may be in several technological / entreprenurial areas, can you actually trust that guy? Can you trust his overall judgment?

That was December 2021. Joe Biden sat in the White House. The pandemic had largely relented.

Now we're engaged in a great civil war, and the fellow who had "recently been selling off his fortune" has become a major political / policy player. In that role, he keeps saying the darnedest things. Can sensible people trust a person who says—or suggests or implies or seems to suggest—such peculiar things as these?

Apparent claims by Musk:
Something approaching twenty million people over the age of 120 are being sent monthly checks by the Social Security Administration.

The federal government paid (or perhaps was only "charged") a billion dollars for "a simple online survey" which should have cost $10,000. "Mind-blowing," the gentleman said.

Thanks to the intervention of DOGE, the White House stopped USAID from sending $50 million worth of condoms to the Gaza Strip—presumably, to Hamas.

Most recently, we'll cite his claim about all the immigrants with all the Social Security numbers. For Poynter's April 4 debunking of this claim, click here for this report:

Immigrants can get Social Security numbers legally. Musk says that’s ‘crazy’

Billionaire businessman and White House adviser Elon Musk and his colleague, venture capitalist Antonio Gracias, said they uncovered “crazy” information about Social Security and immigrants.

“This is a mind-blowing chart,” Musk said at a March 30 campaign event for the Wisconsin Supreme Court election, pointing to data that showed the number of noncitizens who received Social Security numbers from 2021 to 2024. The chart showed a jump from about 270,000 in fiscal year 2021 to more than 2 million in fiscal year 2024.

“This literally blew us away, like we went there to find fraud, and we found this by accident,” said Gracias, who has been working with Musk’s Department of Government Efficiency. Gracias thanked government workers who he said “took a risk to show us these numbers.”

Both men portrayed the data as nefarious and previously unknown.

Gracias’ remarks gave the false impression that all noncitizens who received Social Security numbers during that timeframe are in the U.S. illegally and receiving federal benefits. He said, without presenting evidence, that the 5.5 million people represented in the chart received Social Security numbers after illegally crossing the border, applying for asylum and receiving a work permit. He added that those people were receiving Social Security benefits and some were registered to vote and had voted. (Only U.S. citizens can vote in federal elections.)

Musk also tied the data to his false claim that former President Joe Biden’s administration had a “large scale program to import as many illegals as possible, ultimately to change the entire voting map of the United States.” We previously rated that Pants on Fire!

But this data is neither nefarious nor secretive. It’s evidence of the Social Security system working as intended by law.

The fact-check continues from there, and there is no paywall. That said, Whatever! For whatever reason, this sems to be the peculiar way this Person of the Year tends to play.

For whatever reason, such statements, insinuations and suggestions seem to emerge from Musk like the traditional "showers of rain." So does the endless name-calling, along with the endless "puerile expressions" (Time), such as the tweeting of bowel movements.

So how about it? Can a sensible citizen trust the person in question? Musk is highly accomplished in certain technological areas. But should citizens trust his various statements about political matters? Should we the people trust his various assessments?

Should citizens trust the sayings of DOGEmaster Musk? We think the answer is blindingly obvious. Millions of people disagree with our assessment—and the major organs of Blue America are largely taking a pass on this important question.

That said, a guest essay in Sunday's New York Times traced the history of some of Musk's apparent ideas. The essay was written by Jill Lepore, the Harvard history/law professor. It appeared beneath this headline:

The Failed Ideas That Drive Elon Musk

In her fascinating essay, Professor Lepore tracks those "failed ideas" back a full century, just past the onset of the Great Depression. Remarkably, the peculiar ideas can even be said to track back to Musk's maternal grandfather!

With that, an immediate disclaimer:

Thee's little reason to believe that Musk was directly influenced by the person in question. Hs maternal grandfather, Joshua Haldeman, died at the age of 75 when Musk was just three years old.

That said, the "failed ideas" are very strange, though they're strange ideas of a certain type. Also, they seem to run all through the peculiar behavior of Musk himself. To offer a bit of instant background, here's a quick thumbnail concerning his rather unusual grandfather:

Joshua N. Haldeman

Joshua Norman Haldeman (1902-1974) was an American-born Canadian-South African chiropractor, aviator, and politician. He became involved in Canadian politics, backing the technocracy movement, before moving to South Africa in 1950. Over the course of decades, he repeatedly expressed racist, antisemitic, and antidemocratic views. In South Africa he was a supporter of apartheid and promoted a number of conspiracy theories. A pilot since 1948, he died in a plane crash in 1974. Haldeman is the maternal grandfather of businessman Elon Musk.

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In 1950, he emigrated with his family to South Africa and settled in the capital Pretoria, where he opened a chiropractic clinic. He served as secretary of the South African Chiropractors Association from 1952 to 1959, after which he was its president until 1969.

That's a rather unflattering thumbnail. In her essay, Professor Lepore focuses on the long-forgotten "technocracy movement," with its substantial array of peculiar behaviors and bizarre ideas.

Tomorrow, we'll scroll through Lepore's recollection about the technocracy movement, which was briefly influential. In the main, one key point will prevail:

People with substantial technological abilities may be borderline nuts about pretty much everything else. Their overall judgement may be remarkably poor. This is an important framework within which the American citizen might consider the behaviors of Musk.

Haldeman hailed from our neighbor to the north. He had many peculiar ideas.

Arrested in Canada, he eventually decamped to the south. He emigrated to South Africa, where his highly influential grandson was born.

Who can we the people trust? Should we trust the various claims of Elon Musk? 

Tomorrow: People who are highly accomplished may believe the darnedest things!


79 comments:



  1. "Who Do You Trust?"

    I know who I don't trust: any Democrat.

    For example:
    "Apparent claims by Musk:
    Something approaching twenty million people over the age of 120 are being sent monthly checks by the Social Security Administration.
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    From reading this blog I know that the "are being sent monthly checks" part is a lie. Brazen Democrat lie.

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    1. 10:04, So when Donald J Chickenshit stated in his State of the Union address to the country the following:

      “One person is listed at 360 years of age. More than 100 years. More than 100 years older than our country,” Trump said. “But we’re going to find out where that money is going, and it’s not going to be pretty.”

      He really didn't mean to imply that benefits weren't being paid out from SSA to those people?
      I think he was implying that, maggot-breath.

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    2. Correction:

      He really didn't mean to imply that benefits *were* being paid out from SSA to those people?

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    3. No cases of checks being issued to such people have been found, so both Trump and Musk are lying about that kind of fraud. This has nothing to do with Democrats.

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    4. I trust Mao.
      He's the only Right-winger too honest to pretend there is a Republican voter who isn't a bigot.

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    5. Hey 10:04,

      wipe the drool off your face and come back to reality with the rest of us.

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    6. Not just any kind of lie. A brazen lie!

      Ooh, that's serious.

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    7. Mao is dead. Long live Mao. Cecelia is not dead, is they?

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  2. Somerby asks whether we can trust Elon Musk. But why should we have to? Musk was not elected and he was never confirmed to any appointed position in government. This question should not arise because the people in positions of trust must first be vetted by the electorate, the American people. That Musk has not gone through this process means he should not be in any position of trust in our government.

    Musk has thus flunked one of the important ways we the people identify trustworthy public servants. So, no, he should not be trusted. He hasn't earned our trust. Nor has Trump when he doesn't submit his appointees to the confirmation process. Trump has routinely evaded it, even in his first term, when he appointed people to acting positions specifically to avoid confirmation hearings. Evading the law is as criminal as breaking the law and no one should trust someone with criminal intent.

    So, it shouldn't come as a surprise to Somerby that Musk behaves in an untrustworthy way, much less that he tells lies. I find it odd that Somerby even asks these questions about Musk. Musk has evaded due process by skipping the confirmation process. Everything after that is untrustworthy, so of course we should not trust him. Why does Somerby even have to ask?

    Should we trust Somerby? I don't. Has Somerby written anything today that suggests he is trustworthy when it comes to examing such questions as "Who can we the people trust?" I don't think so. Somerby ignores the biggest clue to Musk's untrustworthiness -- his refusal to submit himself to public scrutiny, as a candidate for office or as an appointee to a government position requiring a confirmation hearing. He won't make himself accountable, in much the same way that Somerby avoids accountability. Note that Somerby only asks questions and never proposes answers. Should we trust Elon, Somerby asks. "Hell, no!" should be Somerby's answer, but somehow he never gets around to answering, no matter how obvious the answer. How do you trust someone who is afraid to acknowledge even the most obvious truth?

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    1. I don’t trust you.

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    2. I love that the guy they arrested for burning Teslas can't be charged, because he's running for political office.
      Say what you will about the Republican Party, but you can't say they don't make beds they can lie on.

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  3. People who are autistic don't generally tell the kinds of brazen lies that Elon Musk tells. That suggests that his claim to be autistic may be another of his lies. A lot of his behavior is inconsistent with the profile of most autistic people.

    Being involved in technology does not make someone nuts either. Nor does having a weird grandfather. Somerby is barking up the wrong trees if he is trying to explain why Musk is weird.

    But, as with his excuses for Trump's misbehavior, Somerby's attempts to explain Musk comes across as a search for excuses. Why is Somerby so avoidant when it comes to describing and labeling Musk's behavior wrongdoing? Musk says and does bad things. That is obvious and it really doesn't matter why he does it. I find it odd that Somerby seems to need to let Musk off the hook.

    It isn't that Musk never had a chance because he had a weird South African grandfather (on his mother's side). Musk didn't grow up with that guy, so what does it matter? Somerby never wants to suggest that perhaps having too much inherited wealth causes people to become weird and do evil things. That excess money is a common denominator between Trump, guys like Tucker Carlson (heir to the Swanson frozen food fortune), and Elon Musk (who inherited the money he invested in businesses that made him richer). Trump and Carlson have no technology background, so why fasten on that as an explanation when the corrupting influence of too much wealth is right in front of Somerby's nose?

    It does seem obvious that Somerby would make a horrible scientist himself. He latches onto an idea and then works backwards to prove it via selective observation. That isn't good thinking. And his motive of releasing Musk from responsibility for his actions is right there alongside the hard work he devotes to exonerating Trump and Carlson. Musk has to be one of the least appealing characters on the right, so why is Somerby working so hard at clearing his name? You tell me. I have no idea why these guys are his mission, except that Somerby himself grew up with money (not on the same scale, but enough to be sent to the finest schools and rub shoulders with Al Gore). Defender of the aristocracy or paid right wing goon -- you decide. Somerby will never tell.

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    1. There is a saying that the apple doesn't fall far from the tree. Musk's grandfather apparently supported apartheid; his father thinks Michelle Obama is a man, among other delusions; maybe this helps explain Musk's continual lying

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    2. A person who is habitually using ketamine isn't thinking at all.

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    3. Its turtles all the way down. Every time you push someone down the ladder, you give a reason. Every strike and protest that they attempt to drain significance from is discounted with talking points until the pile of aristocratic "common sense" about the stupid poors amassing at the periphery of power and closing in. And only when those reasons have to be collected into a policy platform, only then are they tested by rationality.

      Money is not just a reward for greed, it also creates its own tribal narrative. About who can be a familiar neighbor and who is not.

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    4. *Every strike and protest that they attempt to drain significance from is discounted with talking points until the pile of aristocratic "common sense" about the stupid poors amassing at the periphery of power and closing in ***has to reflect on its common themes.

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    5. There is a subtle conservatism to The Daily Howler in that he sometimes thinks the institutions of the state have something to teach us, but his ecumenicalism style does not have to be bought in the direct sense you say to ocassionally provoke some of the more ideological pushback he revieves for his prying into societal maladies. It often can be in many writers though. There's some sellouts out there of course.

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    6. Musk's grandparents did not just support apartheid, they were literal Nazis.

      And from them sprung a man that married the stepdaughter he raised, and then had kids with that stepdaughter.

      And then from that man sprung a rich kid who used his inheritance to become the world's greatest snake oil salesman, hoarding enough money to pay off the women he sexually harasses.

      This is the cyclical nature of generational wealth and abuse.

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  4. Money drives Elon Musk, not "failed ideas."

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  5. We are trapped in “Groundhog Day”

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    1. What's this "we", Dickhead in Cal? You have a rat in your pocket, fascist freak?

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  6. It isn't Canada's fault that Elon Musk's grandfather was a Nazi.

    The connection between Musk and his maternal grandfather is obviously Musk's mother. Is Somerby too sexist to consider whether she might have transmitted those strange ideas to Musk in childhood? Or are ideas only transmitted man-to-man across generations? Somerby's disdain for his own mother may be blinding him to the chain of transmission in Musk's case (not everyone hates their mother), making it appear more of a strange coincidence that they were both technocracy party guys.

    Somerby fails to mention that the technocracy movement was active in both the US and Canada, which means that Elon alone was probably not the moving force behind its resurgence in the USA. This is especially likely given that Musk grew up in South Africa, lived in Canada for only 3 years before coming to the USA on a student visa. Let's see whether Somerby mentions Peter Thiel tomorrow (if he talks about this at all).

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  7. "WASHINGTON (The Borowitz Report)—Calling it a “serious breach of the Department of Justice’s code of conduct,” on Wednesday Attorney General Pam Bondi announced that she had terminated a career DOJ employee who was caught with a copy of the U.S. Constitution on his desk.

    Bondi said that the employee, who had worked at the department for 37 years, had “raised suspicions” by using “telltale phrases like ‘due process’” in DOJ memos.

    At Bondi’s direction, US marshals ransacked his office, discovered the offending document, and frog-marched him out of the building.

    Bondi took the opportunity to remind all DOJ staffers that the U.S. Constitution is on the Republican Party’s banned reading list."

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  8. 77 million Americans voted for this moron:

    The 10 best fights between Donald Trump and Gary Cohn from Bob Woodward's book, Fear:

    The former COO of Goldman Sachs brought facts and logic in Bob Woodward's retelling. Donald Trump... brought himself. You can see where this is going can't you?
    By Stuart McGurk
    11 September 2018

    The former COO of Goldman Sachs brought facts and logic in Bob Woodward's retelling. Donald Trump... brought himself. You can see where this is going can't you?
    By Stuart McGurk
    11 September 2018

    4 - In which Cohn simply asks Trump, “Why do you have these views?”
    Cohn starts assembling every piece of economic data to try and convince Trump that American workers did not aspire to work in assembly factories. “See,” he says to Trump at one point, “the biggest leavers of jobs – people leaving voluntarily – is from manufacturing.” “I don’t get it,” replies Trump. Cohn soldiers on. “I can sit in a nice office with air conditioning and a desk, or I can stand on my feet eight hours a day. Which one would you rather do for the same pay?” Trump still wasn’t buying it. Eventually, exasperated, Cohn simply asks Trump: “Why do you have these views?” “I just do,” Trump replies. “I’ve had these views for 30 years.” “That doesn’t mean they’re right,” says Cohn. “I had the view for 15 years I could play professional football.”

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  9. Somerby pretends that people must choose who to blindly trust, accepting whatever their chosen sources say on faith. The world doesn't work like that.

    People absorb information as they live their daily lives. We watch TV and talk with friends and relatives and employers and coworkers, and we are constantly comparing, contrasting and integrating what we hear from everywhere, including news and internet. Over time, we develop a big picture of institutions such as politics and government, and a personal history of what has occurred in our country, and often the world. For each new piece of info, we subconsciously ask "does it fit" and "what does this mean in the larger context"? That is called thinking, the basis for common sense. Everyone does it to some extent or another. Some do it for a living, or as a profession, which means they get good at it.

    When someone lies, their story doesn't fit well with other things a person knows. That raises a red flag. Enough red flags and that person is tagged as a liar and their info is discounted routinely. Most of us do not need anyone to tell us that Elon cannot be trusted. Nor do we need to identify trusted sources, as Somerby suggests. We can evaluate the info ourselves, so we do not go around blindly following those designated as trustworthy. We trust ourselves to recognized what is bunk and what is real. And if we aren't sure, we look for more info, not some authority figure to tell us what to think.

    There may be some damaged people who have given up on thinking, never learned to do it, have some deficit that makes them unsure of their own mental abilities, or who only think about sports because of lack of interest in the wider world. Maybe those are Fox true believers. I don't know. But Somerby seems to treat all of us as if we were those people. Maybe that is the way Somerby thinks and he is overgeneralizing to everyone else. I don't know. I do know that anyone with half a brain can see Elon coming from a mile away and would not believe anything he says.

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    1. Somerby seems to be arguing that if you don't know who to trust, then you must trust everyone (or is it no one?).

      If I were making a decision that would affect my own life, I would make it based on the extent of harm that could occur if I were to be wrong about my decision. I would not choose whoever seems most trustworthy. It makes no sense to consider Musk trustworthy about social security, for example, simply because he has a lot of money or makes EVs or is a friend of Trump. Musk hasn't even done any programming. He just owns things. I know something about computers and Musk hasn't been making any sense in the technical things he says. I don't believe should be disbelieved because of his Canadian maternal grandfather. I think he should be disbelieved because he is full of shit.

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    2. "Somerby pretends that people must choose who to blindly trust"

      No he doesn't. You're pretending that's what he said.

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    3. Why is he talking about who to trust then?

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    4. Somerby says:

      "Who can we the people trust? Should we trust the various claims of Elon Musk? "

      "As a general matter, who can you pretty much trust? A corollary question might go like this:


      Who can't you trust in any way? Who can't you sensibly trust at all?
      For the record, we're speaking here about trusting someone's overall judgment—about trusting some public figure's intellect, wisdom, honesty."

      "Still, however accomplished this person may be in several technological / entreprenurial areas, can you actually trust that guy? Can you trust his overall judgment?"

      "So how about it? Can a sensible citizen trust the person in question? Musk is highly accomplished in certain technological areas. But should citizens trust his various statements about political matters? Should we the people trust his various assessments?

      Should citizens trust the sayings of DOGEmaster Musk? We think the answer is blindingly obvious. Millions of people disagree with our assessment—and the major organs of Blue America are largely taking a pass on this important question."

      Of course, the left has not been telling anyone that Musk can be trusted, nor that Musk is telling the truth about anything. The left (Blue America) does not support Musk and is, to my knowledge, the only ones pointing out that Musk is lying. It is a huge lie when Somerby says that the "major organs of Blue America" (that is a made-up name for the legacy or mainstream press, which is NOT an organ of Blue America) have taken a pass. The independent press (which does reflect Blue America) has been caling out Musk all along.

      But look at the way Somerby repeatedly asks whether people should trust Musk, as if they have to make that decision. It is Somerby's topic of the morning. Read what Somerby said.

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    5. Somerby: "Musk is highly accomplished in certain technological areas."

      This is such a blindingly obvious falsehood.

      Musk is highly accomplished in certain snake oil salesman areas.

      FTFY

      That Somerby typed this out demonstrates his pernicious trait of always heavily putting his thumb on the scale, relegating his musings to the irrelevant ash heap of nonsense that drives right wingers.

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  10. In Sackets Harbor NY, where Thomas Homan (border czar) lives, a mother and three children were detained on a dairy farm and sent to TX. The entire community protested their removal. After spending more than a week in a Texas detention center, the Sackets Harbor children and their mother were released on April 7 without a clear explanation for why they were detained in the first place.

    Adrian Carrasquillo describes several other examples of detentions that were reversed via community action:

    https://www.thebulwark.com/p/the-secret-weakness-of-trumps-deportations-pressure-campaigns-sackets-harbor

    Pressure is working to bring wrongly detained people home. These examples also show that those being detained are not criminals or bad people but are often those suffering in difficult circumstances.

    "A woman from El Monte, California named Yolanda Perez was detained on February 24 despite being the primary caregiver for her 21-year-old daughter, who has bone cancer." She was released on bond after community protests.

    "There’s also Bradley Bartell, who voted for Trump only to see his Peruvian wife, Camila Muñoz, arrested within a month of Trump’s inauguration. While the couple was returning from their honeymoon in Puerto Rico, Muñoz was arrested and shipped to Louisiana. Her case gained national attention after being reported by USA Today, and she was released last Friday after 49 days in ICE custody."

    It is heartening that protests work to reverse such decisions, but it is also important for the public and people like David in Cal to see that not all of those being detained are gang members, much less criminals. Ordinary and obviously innocent people are being detained in order to meet publicity goals and quotas when Trump's people cannot find enough bad guys in US jails. An authoritarian dictator instills fear in people by sweeping up mothers, children, spouses and parents of citizens and innocent people trying to live their lives and doing nothing wrong by being here.

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    1. "it is important for the public and people like David in Cal to see that not all of those being detained are gang members." Fair point. I acknowledge that some non-gang members are being wrongfully detained.

      It is also important for the public and people like @1:33 to see that almost all of the people being detained are members of a dreadful gang who do great damage to any place where they get established.

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    2. Does that include the Sharks and the Jets in West Side Story, Dickhead in Cal?

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    3. 78% of those sent to the prison in El Salvador had no criminal record, were not criminal members of any gang.

      Only 5% had been accused of crime, none convicted.

      That is a pretty bad track record for Trump.

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    4. “Almost all” is a statistic David pulled from thin air

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    5. 2:23 You may have your statistics but DiC has his Republican unsourced talking points, which are all that matters to him.

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  11. "TRUST: He hailed from our neighbor to the north...."

    This is Somerby's headline for his essay today. How misleading is it, for someone just glancing at it but not reading the article closely. Very misleading.

    First, the HE refers to Musk's maternal grandfather, not Musk. Musk came from South Africa not Canada. He spent 3 years living in Canada before coming to the USA on a student visa. Musk is not Canadian.

    Second, Canada is the country to our north, but we have not been treating it like a neighbor since Trump took office. Canada considers itself in a trade war against the USA that Trump instigated. Canada is boycotting the US. Calling them "our neighbor" is highly misleading given that Trump has been extremely un-neighborly toward them. The same goes for Mexico, the country to our South.

    Third, putting the all-caps word trust in the same sentence with mention of a man who certainly should not have been trusted, whether it is Musk or Haldeman is misleading because someone not reading closely will see Musk's name pop out at them and assume that Somerby wishes us to trust Musk, not question his trustworthiness. The linking of Johnny Carson, a beloved liberal figure who was apolitical on TV, with the word Trust and Musk creates a misleading association between them that is itself a kind of lie.

    This is how propaganda works. Politicians kiss babies in hopes some of their cuteness and wholesomeness will rub off on the candidate, and it works or they wouldn't do it. Somerby associates Johnny Carson with Trust and Musk in hopes Carson's popularity and trust will rub off on Musk, at least for those paying minimal attention. It works or Somerby and similar propagandists wouldn't waste words doing it. Does it work even when Somerby is saying that Musk shouldn't be trusted (when you read him closely)? Yes, to the extent that some people visiting the site won't pay attention to the small print and will just glance at the high points.

    Johnny Carson would have had nothing to do with Musk or Trump or any other Republican. It is an abuse of Carson's memory that Somerby has been using him this way over the past few days. Somerby doesn't care who he uses for his own purposes. But don't be fooled into thinking that Somerby isn't shilling for Musk today. It is his only reason for raising the issue of Trust.

    If Somerby really wanted his readers to stop trusting people like Musk, he would have debunked the worst of Musk's lies, not tried to confuse them with vague allusions to Musk's grandfather without actually telling us what Haldeman's ideas were. Somerby would have called out the lies, not tied the word Trust to Musk repeatedly without telling anyone the truth. This is why Somerby is dishonest and should not be trusted either.

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    1. I don’t trust you.

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    2. Well said 1:50.

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    3. "Somerby doesn't care who he uses for his own purposes."

      Does that include ex-girlfriends?

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    4. He has no ex-girlfriends.

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  12. Estimated Savings: $150B. That's +$10B today!

    Great job, Mr. President. Great job Mr. Musk & the team!

    Keep draining the swamp, Mr. President, and enjoy watching Democrats squirm and squeal!

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    1. Those tariffs that Trump was totally never going to back down on, he has backed down on. The plan is coming together! Thank you, Sir!

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    2. Pump and dump, with Trump laughing all the way to the bank at the expense of working Americans.

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    3. "Estimated Savings: $150B. That's +$10B today!"

      ???

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  13. Trump backing off on full-on tariffs, again. The plan is coming together! That manufacturing will be coming home any day now. Wow! Markets up. Genius!

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  14. I trust Elon when he said that Peter Navarro was a moron.

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    1. Only a moron would call one of Trump's loyalists, a court favorite, a moron. Elon thinks he's invulnerable but he may still be hurt in ways he doesn't anticipate. Trump has no restraint. What will happen if Elon winds up on one of those deportation planes "accidentally" and there is no way to retrieve him (as Trump's govt lawyers insist)?

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    1. It was, and that is in part why Tesla is in the toilet, sales plummeting.

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  16. Trump, like any child, needed to find his limits.

    But the business environment is still uncertain since, even if the pause holds for the next 90 days, what happens after? And Trump announced yesterday there were pharmaceutical tariffs to come.

    Stay tuned for the chaos to come. Brought to you by your stable White House genius.

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  17. Today was an absolutely great day for D.C. insiders to make a lot of money.

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    1. Along the same lines as insurance fraud.

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  18. Trump announces 90 day halt on new tariffs (except for 10%). DJ up 3000. Is this weakness? Brilliance? Taking advice from Musk? Desperation? I hope the eventual result is the our trading partners charging lower tariff on US-manufactured products and US agricultural products. Time will tell.

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    1. I hope they charge less on actuarial services.

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    2. Apparently if you criticize Donald J Chickenshit, you are guilty of treason. The mother fucker just signed an executive order targeting two people from his prior administration ordering the DOJ to start an investigation.

      Go fuck yourself, Dickhead, fascist freak.

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    3. This is not governmenting David. Just more of the usual criming. Manipulate the stock with BS proclamations and short on the way down, then buy before you pump it back up with more BS. Meanwhile the world flees the US as its financial cornerstone. We serfs will pay for this for decades But what do you expect from a cabal of lowlife lifelong thieves?

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    4. The tariffs are the greatest strategy in history, and I will never turn back — the stable genius, yesterday, and his toadies

      Backing off from the tariffs is the greatest strategy in history — the stable genius, today, and his toadies

      whatever my decision is tomorrow will be the greatest strategy in history — The stable genius, tomorrow, and all his toadies

      David, do you see shades of Orwell’s 1984 here?

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    5. "Is this weakness? Brilliance?"

      Well, Dickhead, ask yourself what you and your fellow morons on the right would be saying if a President Harris was wavering across the economic policy landscape like a drunken sailor on crack.

      Would it occur to you that a possible explanation for her behavior was her 'brilliance'?

      You're such a tool.

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    6. Trump is Making America Great Again.

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    7. The tariffs have a big downside. They disrupt business. They provoke trade wars. They create uncertainty. Who knows what will happen at the end of the 90 days?

      The tariffs might eventually have an upside. Trump might walk away with a 10% tariff on imports and reduction in tariff on exports. That would be great for Americans.

      The old mule trainer joke may provide some insight. Trump certainly got the world's attention.
      https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-the-joke-to-this-punch-line/245277

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    8. Fox is not reporting Trump’s market chaos.

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    9. I mean, it looks to me as if Trump capitulated to foreign countries. Amirite?

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    10. Trump flinched because he’s a fucking weak coward.

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    11. He also capitulated to politicians and wealthy people in his own party.

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    12. How is (what I guess you consider a best case scenario) loading a 10% tariff tax on middle class and poor citizens and keeping disastrous (for the deficit) tax cuts for the wealthiest great for America? How is "disrupt(ing) business, provok(ing) trade wars, (and) creat(ing) uncertainty" any kind of plan? Please discuss DIC. I know you won't cause it is hard to explain just how stupid you have become by relying on right wing news.

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    13. MeeMao - maybe I was unclear. If Trump’s actions lead to a trade war, that’s the worst case. The best case is if tariffs on US exports are reduced and a trade war is averted.

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    14. Biden kept the disastrous tax cuts for the wealthiest also. He didn't even ever bring them up. Democrats don't give a shit about anyone other than the wealthiest either. You don't make yourself look very smart pretending otherwise.

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    15. The worst case is what will happen: for at least the next 90 days and probably well beyond, businesses will have no idea what their tariff environment is since there's a mental case in the White House.

      So there will be a recession.

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    16. David, what do you think the average tariff the EU imposes on US goods entering the EU? Just curious if you have any fucking clue what you talking about.

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    17. The EU tariff on autos imported from the US is 10%. The US tariff was 2.5%. However, Trump just raised it to 10%.

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    18. Classic Dickhead move. You didn't answer the fucking question, Dickhead.

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    19. This is why Dickhead in Cal is such a scumbag lying sack of shit.

      The US administration, however, points to an unfair "asymmetry" in certain tariff rates. For example, the EU applies a 10% tariff on US car imports, while the US charges just 2.5%.

      Brussels says, however, that this fails to consider the fact that the US imposes a 25% tariff on EU-made pickup trucks, which are a favourite among US consumers and account for "about one third of all vehicle sales".

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  19. Question: for the MAGATS here: how does Donald Trump not at this moment look like a world-class moron to the rest of the world?

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    1. @10:37 In what ways does Trump look like a moron and in what ways does he look smart?

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    2. He’s really really really really going to stick with the next tariff hike, like he said he would this time. All it took was a couple of days of tanking markets, and Canada and the EU threatening retaliatory tariffs and his favorite friends on Fox News telling him this was bad for the economy, even though he’s been claiming for months, even years the tariffs are going to bring us into the promised land of wealth once again, that he lowered the original high tariffs as he said he would never never ever ever do. can anyone in the rest of the world take this man seriously at anything that he says? If he’s not lying he’s just a completely incompetent paper tiger about this crap. I mean, we were being lectured here just yesterday by magats who were saying “it’s very simple these protective tariffs are going to bring all of our manufacturing back you idiot Democrats don’t understand that blah blah blah blah”

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    3. Publicly stating that the same people he intends to negotiate with are now lining up to kiss his ass is a statement made by a fucking moron.

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