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FRIDAY, APRIL 11, 2025

Who do (or should) you trust? People say (and believe) the darnedest things—and people always have!

It's a basic part of our human inheritance. Way back at the dawn of the West, one person tackled this alleged problem:

Plato

Plato (born c. 428–423 BC) was an ancient Greek philosopher of the Classical period who is considered a foundational thinker in Western philosophy and an innovator of the written dialogue and dialectic forms. He influenced all the major areas of theoretical philosophy and practical philosophy, and was the founder of the Platonic Academy, a philosophical school in Athens where Plato taught the doctrines that would later become known as Platonism.

Plato's most famous contribution is the theory of forms (or ideas), which aims to solve what is now known as the problem of universals. 

Concerning "the problem of universals" (click here), a sensible person might sensibly ask this:

Who is this "problem of universals" some sort of a "problem" for?

The practical answer would be "practically no one!" But with very few shoulders on which to stand, Plato also considered this:

Philosopher king

The philosopher king is a hypothetical ruler in whom political skill is combined with philosophical knowledge. The concept of a city-state ruled by philosophers is first explored in Plato's Republic, written around 375 BC. Plato argued that the ideal state—one which ensured the maximum possible happiness for all its citizens—could only be brought into being by a ruler possessed of absolute knowledge, obtained through philosophical study.

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Aristotle, in his Politics...sets out his own ideas about how a perfect city should be governed. Rather than proposing, as Plato does, the establishment of a ruling class, Aristotle argues that all citizens should take an equal share in the administration of the city. However, in one passage, Aristotle does write that if one or more people happened to be found who far excelled their fellow citizens in virtue, it would be against the natural order for such people to be subject to the rule of their inferiors, and they should therefore be made "kings in their state for life."

Today, some people seem to believe that Donald J. Trump should perhaps be made king for life. At any rate, way back then, at the dawn of the West, Plato was able to picture rule by a person "possessed of absolute knowledge."

A practical problem might seem to arise. How can people of limited knowledge know how to spot this person possessed of absolute knowledge? 

Putting it a different way, how would this person of absolute knowledge come to be accepted as king?

"It's always something," a later savant once noted. But then, up jumped the men of "the technocracy movement"—people who seemed to believe, back in the 1930s, that the philosopher kings were them.

In her essay in Sunday's New York Times, Professor Lepore sketched the shape of their absolute wisdom:

The Failed Ideas That Drive Elon Musk

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[M]any of [Elon Musk's] ideas about politics, governance and economics resemble those championed by his grandfather Joshua Haldeman, a cowboy, chiropractor, conspiracy theorist and amateur aviator known as the Flying Haldeman. Mr. Musk’s grandfather was also a flamboyant leader of the political movement known as technocracy.

Leading technocrats proposed replacing democratically elected officials and civil servants—indeed, all of government—with an army of scientists and engineers under what they called a technate. Some also wanted to annex Canada and Mexico. At technocracy’s height, one branch of the movement had more than a quarter of a million members.

Under the technate, humans would no longer have names; they would have numbers. One technocrat went by 1x1809x56. (Mr. Musk has a son named X Æ A-12.) Mr. Haldeman, who had lost his Saskatchewan farm during the Depression, became the movement’s leader in Canada. He was technocrat No. 10450-1.

Technocracy first gained worldwide attention in 1932 but soon splintered into rival factions....Across the continent, rival groups of technocrats issued a flurry of tracts, periodicals and pamphlets explaining, for instance, how “life in a technocracy” would be utterly different from life in a democracy: “Popular voting can be largely dispensed with.”

And so on from there. Once the technate had been established, we wouldn't have those old-fashioned names, nor would we have to vote. The brilliant men of the technate would simply take things from there.

In fairness, we'll assume that many adherents of this movement were fully sincere in their concerns and in their dreams of a better life within the new borders laid out by "the technate." That said, they had succumbed to a fairly common human notion:

They seem to have come to believe that the philosopher kings were them!

Alas! Highly skilled "scientists and engineers" may not have good judgment about much of anything else. To take one innocuous example, Albert Einstein was the greatest theoretical physicist since Newton—but as it turned out, he wasn't especially skilled as a popular writer.

Then too, there's Elon Musk, Time magazine's Person of the Year for 2021. In the magazine's fluff-filled feature, we were offered such snapshots as these:

Elon Musk: 2021 TIME Person of the Year

The richest man in the world does not own a house and has recently been selling off his fortune. He tosses satellites into orbit and harnesses the sun; he drives a car he created that uses no gas and barely needs a driver. With a flick of his finger, the stock market soars or swoons. An army of devotees hangs on his every utterance. He dreams of Mars as he bestrides Earth, square-jawed and indomitable. Lately, Elon Musk also likes to live-tweet his poops.

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This is the man who aspires to save our planet and get us a new one to inhabit: clown, genius, edgelord, visionary, industrialist, showman, cad; a madcap hybrid of Thomas Edison, P.T. Barnum, Andrew Carnegie and Watchmen’s Doctor Manhattan, the brooding, blue-skinned man-god who invents electric cars and moves to Mars. His startup rocket company, SpaceX, has leapfrogged Boeing and others to own America’s spacefaring future. His car company, Tesla, controls two-thirds of the multibillion-dollar electric-vehicle market it pioneered and is valued at a cool $1 trillion. That has made Musk, with a net worth of more than $250 billion, the richest private citizen in history, at least on paper...

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A few short years ago, Musk was roundly mocked as a crazy con artist on the verge of going broke. Now this shy South African with Asperger’s syndrome, who escaped a brutal childhood and overcame personal tragedy, bends governments and industry to the force of his ambition.

To Musk, his vast fortune is a mere side effect of his ability not just to see but to do things others cannot, in arenas where the stakes are existential. “He was raised in a tough environment and born with a very special brain,” says Antonio Gracias, Musk’s close friend of two decades, who has held seats on the boards of Tesla and SpaceX. “Ninety-nine-point-nine percent of people in that situation don’t come out of it. Some small percentage come out of it with the ability he has to make great decisions under extraordinary pressure and the never-ending drive to change the course of humanity.” 

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The toll his hard-driving style takes on staff is legendary. Former associates have described Musk as petty, cruel and petulant, particularly when frustrated or challenged. He recently separated from the experimental musician Grimes, the mother of his seventh son. “He is a savant when it comes to business, but his gift is not empathy with people,” says his brother and business partner Kimbal Musk. 

Musk has been a hugely successful industrialist. In that essay, his long-time friend, Antonio Gracias, described him as a person who was "born with a very special brain."

Within the past month, Gracias has arrived on the scene, helping Musk with his selfless attempt to direct something resembling a new technate. That said, the special brain to which Gracias referred was responsible for what President Donald J. Trump said last month when he addressed to a joint session of Congress. 

With apologies, we'll post his ludicrous statements again, It's important to see the fruits of that special brain—the sorts of extremely strange fruit the apparently timorous mainstream press has largely agreed to walk on by:

THE PRESIDENT (3/4/25): We’re also identifying shocking levels of incompetence and probable fraud in the Social Security program for our seniors and that our seniors and people that we love rely on.  Believe it or not, government databases list 4.7 million Social Security members from people aged 100 to 109 years old.

It lists 3.6 million people from ages 110 to 119.  I don’t know any of them.  I know some people that are rather elderly, but not quite that elderly.  

(LAUGHTER) 

3.47 million people from ages 120 to 129. 

3.9 million people from ages 130 to 139.

3.5 million people from ages 140 to 149.

And money is being paid to many of them, and we’re searching right now. 

In fact, Pam [Bondi], good luck.  Good luck.  You’re going to find it.

But a lot of money is paid out to people because it just keeps getting paid and paid, and nobody does—and it really hurts Social Security and hurts our country.

1.3 million people from ages 150 to 159.  And over 130,000 people, according to the Social Security databases, are age over 160 years old.  

We have a healthier country than I thought, Bobby [Kennedy Jr.]. 

(LAUGHTER AND APPLAUSE)

Including, to finish, 1,039 people between the ages of 220 and 229; one person between the age of 240 and 249; and one person is listed at 360 years of age—

AUDIENCE MEMBER:  Joe Biden!  

(LAUGHTER)

THE PRESIDENT: —more than 100 years older than our country. 

But we’re going to find out where that money is going, and it’s not going to be pretty. 

By slashing all of the fraud, waste, and theft we can find, we will defeat inflation, bring down mortgage rates, lower car payments and grocery prices, protect our seniors, and put more money in the pockets of American families. 

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No, you can't get dumber than that—but a certain "very special brain" was the original source of that fruit. In fact, that very special brain has spread one gong-show presentation after another across the fruited plain. 

This brain was extremely good for the task of building rockets, but perhaps not for anything else. Also, it can occasionally seem that this brain doesn't inspire its holder to be obsessively honest at all points in time.

Over the past few months, the fellow who was live-tweeting his poops has been cast in the role of the modern-day philosopher king—as the point of the spear of the modern technate, as run by his young "engineers." Within the past few weeks, his own Patroclus arrived on the scene to help him "sing the famous deeds of fighting heroes" as he "pluck[ed] strong and clear on the fine lyre" (Professor Fagles).

Gracias has helped Musk sing the songs of warriors. Also, he has helped him spread his latest alarming claims all around.

This person in question has been spectacularly accomplished in certain highly challenging (though narrow) areas. With respect to everything else, it almost seems that he arrives in an electric clowncar.

Certain types of (narrowly) accomplished people may come to see themselves as supermen. It's amazing how childish and dumb their wider thinking may turn out to be. 

Being merely human, these fellows may sometimes seem to be totally in awe of their own spectacular greatness. Lepore notes one recent example: 

Mr. Musk’s possible departure from Washington will not diminish the influence of Muskism in the United States. His superannuated futurism is Silicon Valley’s reigning ideology. In 2023 the venture capitalist Marc Andreessen, who helped staff DOGE, wrote “The Techno-Optimist Manifesto," predicting the emergence of “technological supermen.” It consists of a list of statements:

We can advance to a far superior way of living and of being.
We have the tools, the systems, the ideas.
We have the will. …
We believe this is why our descendants will live in the stars. …
We believe in greatness. …
We believe in ambition, aggression, persistence, relentlessness—strength.

In a slightly saner world, these nitwits would be frog-marched into the countryside, where they would be lovingly served by a fully staffed re-education program.

That would be in a saner world. In our world, they're widely lionized as extremely wealthy bros who surely must have an array of brilliant ideas and insights. Also, our major press organs don't seem to be able, or possibly willing, to speak with frankness about them.

The person in question has been extremely accomplished in a narrow set of pursuits. Elsewhere, he has advanced one bungled claim after another in thoroughly blunderbuss fashion. 

He seems to have a very limited sense of traditional Enlightenment values. He tends to traffic in insults.

He doesn't always seem to be obsessively honest. Also, the major organs of the mainstream press have agreed, in the main, to walk on by his endless ridiculous conduct. 

On the one hand, they seem to be timorously avoiding a fight. Also, it's almost like they lack the language for discussing such a "savant."

Can you trust the sayings of Musk? Also, can you trust the fruits of the avoidance performed by the mainstream press?

"Trust us," various Voices have said and implied.  Johnny Carson was the first to address this concern:

Who Do [or Can or Should] You Trust?

 

79 comments:



  1. "Who do (or should) you trust? "

    I know who you shouldn't trust: any Democrat. Do not trust any lying Reptiloid-Democrat.

    Anyone else, you can probably trust them. To a point.

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    1. anon 10:02 - first to post again, how often do you anxiously click each morning to be the first to impart your wisdom?) All you have is 6th grade level name-calling, though jazzed up with the "Reptiloid"-Democrat phraseology.

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  2. There is no reason why any of us has to trust Trump or Musk. We have alternatives -- the main one is to fight back.

    Plato is long dead and gone. I do not know why Somerby keeps quoting dead Greeks, but they have no relevance for our current situation. Neither does Somerby, apparently.

    In the face of an economic crisis it is best to trust (1) yourself, (2) your spouse and immediate family, (3) close friends who care about you and your circumsances. I recommend drawing your circle close and avoiding risk. It is not safe to trust Trump or his minions. Make decisions based on your own well-being and that of your family -- and do not buy into any investment ideas or get-rich-quick schemes or large expenditures of money or changes in job or residence. This is the time to hunker down and wait out whatever is going to happen. If you are wealthy, leaving the country now is not a bad idea. The rest of us should keep our heads down, fight back as much as possible, and otherwise wait this out. Trump is 78 and he will die soon. Beyond that, help your neighbors and protect yourself. And try to hope for the best.

    This may wind up being worse than the depression (which people survived by banding together in families). There may be climate-related natural disasters without relief efforts (Trump has gutted those resources). People survive those by banding together too. Beyond that, do your best.

    Somerby has nothing to offer his readers.

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    1. "Somerby has nothing to offer his readers."

      This. Spot on.

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    2. anon 10:02 and 12L20 (possibly the same person) - if you think he has "nothing to offer to his readers" how is it that you read him every day.?

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    3. AC/MA -- Don't you know? They are selflessly performing the public service of warning gullible liberals that Somerby is trying to seduce them into supporting Trump.

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    4. "This. Spot on."

      Criticism. Without. Content.

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    5. lol triggered trolls acma dg, too funny.

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    6. anon 1:47, whether I'm triggered or not, I suppose if it amuses you to think so, good for you. But doesn't my question make sense? You do understand the concept of making sense, don't you? well, ok, probably not. Chuckle away, friend, if this is how you get a laugh, before I ask another question for you to be amused by , such as how is it that people who defend the blogger are "trolls" and not you? I didn't think trolls got triggered - they enjoy triggering people who try to apply reason.

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    7. DG, I don't disagree.

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    8. What does Somerby say that is as useful as @10:02?

      I'm glad Somerby told us that Musk is untrustworthy. I was about to loan him my last $10.

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  3. "WASHINGTON (The Borowitz Report)—Donald J. Trump stunned Wall Street on Friday by revealing that the spate of tariffs roiling global markets were his son Eric’s “dumb idea.”

    “When Eric first pitched the idea of tariffs, I thought the whole concept sounded kind of out there,” he said. “But he was begging me like a dog, so I said yes.”

    Trump said that it was important for Eric to know that his tariff scheme was “a disaster,” adding, “When you make a mistake this huge, you’ve got to own it.”

    “Maybe I shouldn’t have let him do the tariffs, but I felt bad because the poor guy has nothing going for him,” he said. “It’s been tough growing up in the shadow of a superstar like Don, Jr.”

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    1. Weak joke, because it has nothing to do with tariffs. It's an all-purpose insult. You could substitute the word "DOGE" or "Gaza policy" or "border policy" and it would work just as well.

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    2. Right, the joke is how awful Trump's sons are. Have you heard the buzz that Trump expects his sons to follow him in a political dynasty? It may be that we have to stand up to Trump, not just wait for him to go away.

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    3. Protesters Remain Unaffected By Trump’s Shower Head Deregulation
      https://babylonbee.com/news/leftist-protestors-unaffected-by-trumps-showerhead-deregulation/

      Wickedly funny. Read the whole thing.

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    4. You could substitute the word "DOGE" or "Gaza policy" or "border policy" and it would work just as well.
      Exactly, David! You've have finally caught on: every idea that comes out of this administration is a different kind of asinine. Except for the idea that they should be able to kidnap and disappear people. That's on a whole different level.

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    5. It's not a good idea for the Dems to simply oppose everything Trump does or tries to do. It results in their being portrayed as taking some unpopular positions. Men in women's sports. Use of personal pronouns. Defending waste and fraud. Favoring illegal immigration. Higher taxes. Favoring dangerous foreign gangs, or at least, opposing steps to get rid of them.

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    6. Supporters of Israel are a dangerous foreign gang.

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    7. "It's not a good idea for the Dems to simply oppose everything Trump does or tries to do."

      I know, right? Because then you'd be getting the president involved in trivialities like plastic straws, showerheads, and names on maps.

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    8. "Except for the idea that they should be able to kidnap and disappear people." This, of course, is the one thing the orange wrecking ball is doing that polls above 50%. Racism rhymes with fascism after all.

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    9. Quaker - although those seem like minor issues, I am very aware of them. They affect me every day. Both annoy me. I suspect they annoy a lot of people.

      When I installed a new shower head, I removed the gizmo that restricts the water flow. But, as I understand it, today's shower heads don't allow that gizmo to be removed

      My dishwasher complied with the water requirements. As a result, it take a couple of hours to run a load. So, the afternoon load is sometimes not finished in time for supper.

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    10. @12:56 lambastes me for something that didn't happen. Something that s/he imagines will happen.

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    11. "defending waste and fraud"
      You have this habit, David, of predicating the discussion on the point that actually needs to be demonstrated or proven. There's no evidence that DOGE has rooted out any waste of fraud. Zero. Everyone is in favor of eliminating waste and fraud. As it stands now, DOGE has quietly scaled back its ambitions to cutting $150 billion from the budget. This is still now "waste and fraud". And there's still no evidence that DOGE will succeed in that endeavor.

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    12. David, normal people don't have any problems with their plumbing.

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  4. Why has Somerby started talking about trust in the past few days?

    A cynical person would suspect that Somerby is part of a campaign to calm Trump's supporters and help them fall in line behind Dear Leader, by calming their fears during the turmoil of falling markets. He implies we should not trust Musk because those technology guys are otherwise crazy, but the implication is that we should continue to trust Trump. In for a penny, in for a pound, stay the course, etc.

    If you believe Somerby, people have to trust someone. But why? Who says we have to continue to trust someone who has obviously betrayed all trust by doing crazy shit -- the way Trump has? Somerby doesn't question the right things. He merely says we must trust and points out that we don't have to trust Elon -- perhaps he is now the designated scapegoat, since he is leaving DOGE and fighting with the rest of Trump's cabinet?

    Biden was trustworthy. Trump has never been trustworthy. But we are stuck with Trump. That doesn't mean you must trust him or anything he says. This whole idea of trust is Somerby's strawman this week. No one is trustworthy who doesn't have your best interests at heart (or whose own self-interest does not align with yours). Don't trust. Work hard toward your personal goals and stop worrying about politics. It is out of all of our hands, except in terms of protesting and voting, but we can and should focus on our neighborhoods and the things we can control. Trust yourself and ignore Somerby.

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    1. Democrats thrive on lies. That's why for a time they got away with censorship of social media platforms and all news platforms. Eventually it was noticed, Elon bought X, young people rebelled against the liars, and the rest is history.

      The last thing leftists want people to focus on is who can be trusted.

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    2. The first thing a grifter says to his mark is "trust me". Somerby knows that, but apparently this new troll doesn't.

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    3. Trump and Musk are two of the greatest...con men in all of history.

      To be fair, it does not take much to con Republicans/right wingers, all you have to do is throw any sense of integrity out the window and appeal to the undying need for Republicans/right wingers to feel dominant over others.

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    4. Elon's lies are legion.

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    5. (Somerby) implies we should not trust Musk because those technology guys are otherwise crazy, but the implication is that we should continue to trust Trump."

      What quote from Bob's post supports this statement? If none, then why did you make it?

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    6. Somerby says Musk may be trustworthy with respect to issues related to technology, but reality suggests otherwise, with Musk being notorious for his vaporware.

      Somerby says Musk may not be trustworthy with respect to issues related to governing...no shit Sherlock.

      Today's post makes little sense, with Somerby ignoring the reality of Musk's record in tech, and otherwise issuing a breathless warning about the world's most obvious circumstance.

      This makes it trivially clear for anyone with two or more brain cells, for anyone with a triple digit IQ, that Somerby is pushing an agenda, an agenda he wants to be coy about, an agenda he wants plausible deniability about. Because, similar to Trump and Musk, Somerby is running a con too.

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    7. Is 1:55 supposed to be in response to 1:27? If so, that was a swing and a miss. Try again.

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    8. It satisfies me. You aren't going to find a direct quote from someone who implies and hints at things. Telling people to go find one is a fool's game when you will only insist it doesn't say what others interpret as Somerby's intent. Somerby giggles at that clownish routine.

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  5. "Today,some people seem to believe that Donald J. Trump should perhaps be made king for life."
    The inclusion of the words "some", "seem" and "perhaps" pretty much robs the assertion of meaning. That's just as well, since it's ridiculous.

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    1. We idiot-Democrats are scared of Donald Trump. And of common people, some of whom seem to believe that Donald Trump should perhaps be made king for life. That's nerve wracking.

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    2. Look, Somerby has a mini-me who is calling himself a Democrat while saying idiotic right wing things. How cute!

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    3. The CPAC people cheered when Bannon predicted a third Trump presidency. Trump himself claims he’s looking at the possible ways to accomplish it. They’re all joking, right DiC? Or not.

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    4. This is another one of Dickhead-the-Trump -Whisperer lecturing us not to take Trump literally but to take him seriously. Or some such bullshit.

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    5. The head of CPAC keeps sexually harassing men even though he is married and supposedly straight and supposedly hates gays.

      Same with classified leaker (Signalgate) Mike Waltz who was caught following a gay porn star on social media.

      The latent homo/bi/trans sexuality so prevalent among Republicans is fueling their homo/bi/trans phobia.

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  6. In a key way, Musk and Trump are fighting against technocracy. They want less power given to the scientists and experts appointed to the various departments and more power to elected people, such as the President.

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    1. It's common to disparage DOGE being merely appointed while ignoring that fact that all the others in the Executive Branch are also merely appointed. Is Bob implicitly doing this?

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    2. We idiot-Democrats love technocracy. Brain-dead president in a system run by technocrats, that the ticket.

      Out experts know what's best for you. Out experts will make you happy, even if they have to lobotomize you.

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    3. This is so funny. Here we have Elon Musk and his crew trying to replace a decades old COBOL-based computer system at social security, because Democrats love technocracy so much that no Democratic president has been willing to take on the task.

      Meanwhile Trump, even with Elon's help, can't manage to place a phone call to the right guy.

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    4. David, the president's appointees to high level positions are supposed to be confirmed by Congress. Elon not only didn't go through that process, but Trump lied to the courts about whether he was even in charge of DOGE, saying that some other lady (who no one knows or has met or even heard of) is actually in charge. Meanwhile Trump himself is introducing Musk as the head of DOGE at public gatherings. Now we hear that Musk is leaving DOGE, which kind of confirms he was there. All of this is extra-legal given the rules for presidents appointing govt officials.

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    5. We idiots-Democrats don't know the difference between 'technocracy' and 'technology'.

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    6. Are you seriously arguing that the two are not related?

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    7. Related as tightly as "idiot" and "Democrat".

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    8. In the film Time Bandits, there is a bad guy who imagines he can rule the world if he can just gain control over cell phones (and a map that shows the holes in the universe). It is the knowledge of technology that validates the right of technocrats to rule. Unless they were engineers and scientists, they would have no right to govern.

      You really cannot be a luddite and a technocrat.

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    9. You are new here, so I will explain something you apparently don't know. Name calling is not argument. It is not discussion. It doesn't allow you to win in a back-and-forth exchange with someone else. Name-calling is what people do when they've got nothing.

      So every time you call Democrats idiots, you are showing your own insufficiency (as if people didn't already recognize the lack of content in your comments). Even some of the right wingers are here to make good-faith arguments. Some are not. You have very quickly revealed yourself to be one of the empty noise-makers, not someone saying anything anyone should read.

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    10. Neither Trump nor Musk have any specialized knowledge, other than as snake oil salesmen and sexual predators.

      Musk today lowered his projected DOGE cuts from $2 trillion to $150 billion, which is a drop in the bucket, but also a total fantasy on Musk's part as DOGE has yet to verify any "savings", although they have halted funding for things like cancer research and food for poor kids.

      Consumer sentiment has cratered, surprising no one.

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    11. Right. We need an unelected billionaire technocrat getting rid of agency “technocrats”…like meteorologists and cancer researchers. And to do it, musk just needs to think up some pointless random number of government employees to fire.

      It was of course always the case that government employees are hired by the people who run the various government departments, who are supposed to be confirmed by Congress. It isn’t clear to me that these government workers were running things in some sort of anti-democratic technocracy.

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    12. "No technocrat! No technocrat! YOU'RE the technocrat!"

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    13. 11:10 you and Congress and everybody but a few workers did not know the SS system ran on COBOL until Muskrats started destroying the systems. Destruction for our benefit of course...

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    14. 11:10 here. You lose -- I did know that the SS system ran on COBOL. I knew that because COBOL was the first language I learned in my career working with computers, and mainframes were the first systems I used. I also knew why the SS system has not been updated.

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    15. You know SS system ran on COBOL because COBOL was the first language you learned?

      Congratulation! You successfully proved that you're an idiot.

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    16. "It's common to disparage DOGE being merely appointed"

      Nice strawman. It's much more common to disparage DOGE for its lying and incompetence.

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  7. I trust Trump and Musk over ANY Democrat. As do all normal and decent people.

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    1. anon 10:42 - you're a "normal and decent" person? good one!

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    2. Both Trump and Musk were Democrats until they got into their heavy drug usage. Says a lot.

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  8. Technocrat > Democrat

    Democrat

    We can advance to a far superior way of living and of being.
    We have the tools, the universities, the media, the ideology.
    We have the will.
    We believe this is why our descendants will subjugate the evil white male
    We believe in destroying greatness…
    We believe in destruction of all good things because we fail at everything and hatred motivates us.

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    1. Don't trust this guy.

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    2. "our descendants will subjugate the evil white male" Why are you still sucking your thumb?

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  9. "U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) quickly deleted a social media post Thursday that claimed that its mission is not just to keep out illegal immigrants, money, and products, but "ideas" as well.

    Appearing as the latest tough-on-immigration social media post from the Trump administration, the graphic stated: "If it crosses the U.S. border illegally, it's our job to stop it".

    The post sparked confusion on X, formerly Twitter, with several immigration and law experts asking what counted as an "illegal idea", as it was reshared widely over the space of a few hours.

    The Department of Homeland Security told Newsweek the post was made in error.

    "That post was sent without proper approval and should not have been shared," Tricia McLaughlin, assistant secretary for public affairs, said in a statement. "'Ideas' should have said 'intellectual property'."

    Why It Matters
    The post comes as the federal government cracks down on immigrants who have expressed views not in line with its foreign policy, such as students and green card holders who expressed pro-Palestinian views on college campuses over the past 18 months, which immigration advocates argue infringes First Amendment free speech rights." [Newsweek]

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  10. Einstein was a fine popular writer.

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    1. And a socialist. Like many of us, Einstein's intellectual curiosity was not limited to a single field or subject.

      Many on the right do suffer from singular obsessions, though, a manifestation of their wounded and traumatized psyche.

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  11. Plato was not in favor of democracy. What is Somerby hinting at by quoting Plato? Neither Musk nor Trump have "perfect knowedge" much less any wisdom or knowledge at all. They represent oligarchy not aristocracy. How did Somerby miss that glaringly obvious fact? Neither Plato nor Aristotle argued in favor of rule by the wealthy.

    Somerby then goes on to say that some consider Trump a "philosopher-King" but where is the evidence that Trump even has thoughts, much less philosophy in his head? He understands nothing, even about his own world of business and wealth-creation. He has been called both the stupidest person alive, and the most ignorant, by those who have worked closely with him in previous administrations (his own appointees). That isn't my idea of a philosopher, nor would it be Plato's (I suspect).

    Can Trump be King (forget the philosophy)? No, because he is not related to a previous monarch. He can be dictator and make himself into a king by ceding rule to one of his kids. But how would that be a good thing if neither Trump nor his kids have a single brain in their fuzzy heads? In the days of monarchy, the right of kings was bolstered by a powerful church that people believed in. That is no longer true. A powerful military could take the place of the church, but Trump has so alienated the military that it is hard to imagine them supporting him as a dictator-turned-monarch. And once again, Trump would be perceived to have no legitimacy as a hereditary ruler.

    So this sounds like a right wing fantasy, used to console themselves for how bad Trump is turning out to be as the head of their new order. I might almost feel sorry for the right, except that so many people have already been hurt.

    So, why is Somerby musing about this stuff? Not for any liberal reason. His thoughts are so far from what any of the rest of us think that it seems like he has abandoned pretense and is just spewing nonsense, without worrying about his cover or making any sense. Somerby is gibbering, much the way Trump gibbers. Except Somerby's obsession is Greeks that he read about in college and not sharks and Hannibal Lector. Sad.

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    1. Despite all evidence to the contrary, some think that ideologies that predominate today will predominate tomorrow. Democracy as we know it in the US today is a passing fad.

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    2. Somerby often expresses cynicism about democracy, and often seems to endorse a world where elite "experts" rule over us.

      What Republicans have learned (primarily from Nazis) is that democracy can be gamed, particularly with an anesthetized electorate, mesmerized by pernicious storytelling like reality tv and religion, and made compliant by the precariousness of their lives - in America, one wrong step and your life can easily turn to shit with little chance of redemption.

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    3. (Trump and Musk) "represent oligarchy not aristocracy. How did Somerby miss that glaringly obvious fact? "

      A more pertinent question is how you missed the glaringly obvious fact that Somerby is well aware of this. Why do you consitently and deliberately misread him?

      "Somerby then goes on to say that some consider Trump a "philosopher-King" but where is the evidence that Trump even has thoughts, much less philosophy in his head?"

      Do you not see that if Somerby states that others see Trump a certain way, he is making a statement about what others think, not himself endorsing that view? What is wrong with you?

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    4. Somerby has consistently suggested we make peace with Republicans, which is just another way of saying we should capitulate to Republicans, after all, Somerby says, their views often have more value than us Blues.

      11:35 may push the boundaries a bit, but they seem to have a firmer grasp on Somerby than 1:20 does.

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    5. @1:20 Somerby chooses who to quote and what to say about them. His daily content is not accidental. Pretending that he does nothing but quote others and has no views himself, neglects that he is the one who chooses which others to quote here. He is responsible for that. So, when he fills his daily essay with so much right wing garbage, how is he not endorsing those views instead of the ones he never mentions (such as the liberal rebuttals to right wing assholery). What is wrong with you?

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  12. "Somerby has consistently suggested we make peace with Republicans"

    He's suggested we try to understand them. That has zero to do with capitulation: you can more effectively fight your opponents if you understand them than if you don't.

    But perhaps this is too adult-like. Better to chant, "Republicans all bad" and keep losing elections.

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    1. No, 3:04, he has frequently stated that Republicans were right on some issue, such as transgender, immigration, abortion, and DeSantis’ book banning, to name a few that come to mind. This is more than just understanding the Republican position; I’m pretty sure we all understand that anyway. The implication is that Democrats lose because they don’t move to agree with Republicans on various issues.

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    2. No, he only stated they were right in your feverish imagination and remember, one of your main complaints is that he rarely states things so directly.

      As I said before, he asks us to understand them, not agree with them.

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    3. We already understand the GOP positions. No need for Somerby to interpret them for us. It’s that we don’t agree with them.

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    4. Sounds like you should cancel your subscription.

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    5. Bob doesn’t give refunds.

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    6. Sounds like you have no choice but to keep reading him and write lengthy screeds about nothing.

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    7. I have another choice. I can move to Russia.

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