Tommy Vietor gets it right on the Benghazi attack!

THURSDAY, MAY 16, 2013

With just one basic correction: Yesterday, the White House released a pile of the e-mails which created the talking-points on Benghazi.

Also yesterday, Tommy Vietor published his thoughts about the whole talking points flap. Until recently, Vietor was spokesman for the National Security Council.

While in that position, he helped create the now famous talking points.

It seems to us that yesterday’s events have made a few blindingly obvious points just that much more clear.

Comprehension often involves repetition. With that in mind, let’s briefly return to a few basic points about those talking points.

Once again, this is the way the CIA’s original proposal began. If we have eyes to see, two obvious facts will leap out at us from this document:
ORIGINAL CIA TALKING POINTS (9/14/12): We believe based on currently available information that the attacks in Benghazi were spontaneously inspired by the protests at the U.S. Embassy in Cairo and evolved into a direct assault against the U.S. Consulate and subsequently its annex.

The crowd almost certainly was a mix of individuals from across many sectors of Libyan society. That being said, we do know that Islamic extremists with ties to al-Qa’ida participated in the attack.

Initial press reporting linked the attack to Ansar al-Sharia. The group has since released a statement that its leadership did not order the attacks, but it did not deny that some of its members were involved.
First important fact: The CIA was the source for the claim that the Benghazi attack was “spontaneously inspired by the protests at the U.S. Embassy in Cairo.”

Susan Rice has been crucified for reporting this “current best assessment.” Endless suggestions have been made that she or somebody else made this up.

In fact, this claim came straight from the CIA. It seems to be what they thought at the time.

This fact has been clear since last Friday, when the original version of the talking points was released. But even last night, a gang of star liberals couldn’t manage to state this fact on Hardball. (More on that gong-show tomorrow.)

Wagner, Fineman, Corn and the rest? It’s time for this whole gang to go.

Second important fact: As of September 16, the U.S. government didn’t know who had staged this attack.

The most remarkable part of those proposed talking points was the attribution of that claim about Ansar al-Sharia to “initial press reporting.” Who could have read that document without being struck by the oddness of this statement:

“Initial press reporting linked the attack to Ansar al-Sharia!” Who wouldn’t see the obvious oddness of that statement by the CIA?

Answer: The entire American pundit corps! The entire press corps managed to miss the implication of that statement:

As of September 14-16, the CIA didn’t really know who had staged the attack!

For the record, there’s no reason why they should have known on that early date. When an event of this type takes place, Moses doesn’t descend from a mountain with tablets explaining what happened.

With that in mind, we recommend two chunks from Vietor’s presentation:
VIETOR (5/14/13): Regarding the talking points, it’s not surprising that the entire government would want the chance to look at and edit that language. This was a dynamic situation and new information was constantly flowing in, and different agencies had important concerns that had to be addressed—the State Department had security concerns, the FBI was worried about its investigation, and the CIA had a major, yet still undisclosed, role.


Some people have understandably asked how we were so wrong about there being a protest. I don’t know. When I was in government, I asked some intelligence officials how it happened. They told me that there were many different strands of information indicating there was a protest, both open source and intelligence based. In fact, a number of news outlets reported there were protests.
Duh. “This was a dynamic situation and new information was constantly flowing in,” Vietor writes. Regarding the alleged demonstration, “there were many different strands of information indicating there was a protest...In fact, a number of news outlets reported there were protests.”

Only a child would assume that the CIA—or Rice, or Obama, or Hillary Clinton—would magically know what had happened as of September 15. Unfortunately, the upper-class “press corps” routinely betrays an unfortunate fact:

They actually do have the minds of children. It’s their most obvious trait.

Last night’s 5 PM hour on Hardball was an egregious example of this problem. We’ll discuss that horrible hour tomorrow. For today, let us say this:

In an event like the Benghazi attack, it’s hard to figure out what happened! Why do “journalists” have so much trouble understanding this obvious fact?

Perhaps the answer is this: Our modern journalists rarely try to figure anything out. More often, they simply invent pleasing stories, complete with invented quotes or embellished paraphrase.

We've told you this since the late 1990s: Our “news” is more often a novel. Silly children invent simple-minded tales which satisfy their need for drama while fitting their dim-witted view of the world. Perhaps because they function this way, they don’t seem to know that it takes a lot of work to assemble real information about an event like Benghazi.

They think Daddy should know right now! On those Sunday programs, Rice kept saying that she was giving a preliminary assessment.

Silly Rice! Being children, the nation’s “journalists” don’t comprehend statements like that.

Vietor made one other remark which we will strongly emphasize. It concerns the disgraceful attacks against Rice:
VIETOR: Looking back, maybe there was a time when tragedies like Benghazi brought our country together, but here we’ve seen the opposite. Susan Rice went on TV and offered the consensus US government view of what we thought happened at that time. For that, she was viciously attacked in deeply personal ways. Members of the Senate called her “incompetent” and suggested she was a liar. That’s outrageous.

Imagine if Susan had gone on TV and offered some personal view of what happened or contradicted the intelligence community? She would’ve been charged with manipulating intelligence. The attacks on her have been gratuitous and unfair, and it’s time we start saying as much.
We’ll only disagree with one point. The “time we start saying as much” arrived a very long time ago. But Lawrence and Rachel and all the ass clowns ran off and hid in the woods.

Liberals should be disgusted with the conduct of everyone at MSNBC, from the horrible showboat Matthews over to the horrible Maddow. That said, the career liberal world has behaved this way for at least the last twenty years.

This conduct has been profoundly immoral. This conduct produced a string of disasters, with deaths all over the world.

If you’ve watched The One True Channel this week, you’ve seen this conduct continue.


  1. "Liberals should be disgusted with the conduct of everyone at MSNBC .... If you've watched The One True Channel this week, you've seen this conduct continue."

    And if I haven't, does that mean I'm not a liberal?

  2. Bob, on Benghazi, you're pushing at an open door. No one outside of the rightwing echo chamber gives a shit about Benghazi. The public has written it off as a tragedy and fog-of-war situation. No one is buying into GOP talking points. No. One. Cares.

    1. You're wrong to say that no one buys the GOP talking points. The truth is that a significant number of people absorb whatever the voice of authority tells them is important or happening in the world. The attention of most people is on the detail of their personal lives and careers. Whether they care about or understand the intricacies of what actually happened in Benghazi, is not the relevant question. We tend to care about what we're told to care about, and when this situation is referred to repeatedly as an example of executive misconduct, many people will see it as such.

  3. "If you’ve watched The One True Channel this week..."

    Sorry, like 99.999999% of America, I didn't get around to watching msnbc this week. I was busy attempting to have a life.

    1. I'm surprised you get around to reading and responding to this blog.

  4. Wrong, Geoff. No liberal cares. Any one with any sense DOES care. They care about lies about videos, lies about availability of help, lies about resources, lies about who lied, lies about who did what, when.

    Lies are told in order to cover up the truth. This is a cover up of the highest order. Lies in Watergate were bad, but nobody died. Lies in Benghazi were bad and people died.

    1. Quaker in a BasementMay 16, 2013 at 5:57 PM

      "Lies are told in order to cover up the truth. This is a cover up of the highest order. Lies in Watergate were bad, but nobody died. Lies in Benghazi were bad and people died."

      Could you teach me how to make the fabric of time fold up on itself like that?

      First you say people are lying to cover something up. And then those same lies are responsible for the thing that is being covered up to begin with.

      Better yet, if I give you $5, can you bet it on the winner of the fifth race at Belmont after the race is over?

    2. You have to wonder where all this concern was after 9-11, where the lies and incompetence cried out for investigation.

    3. You are the one doing the lying. Real black helicopter stuff. You can't even say what was covered up.

    4. Lies in Watergate were bad, and I can't tell the difference between a skirmish at a CIA outpost and an attack upon how we elect our nations highest officials.

  5. Quaker in a BasementMay 16, 2013 at 5:53 PM

    In regards to cable TV liberals, I'm pretty sure "assclown" is one word, not two.

  6. President Obama strongly defended Rice....months later after the election.

    But according to TDH, Maddow should have been campaigning harder than Obama.

    As far as "magically" knowing stuff, it helps if you have drones. And FBI interviews with witnesses.

    1. No, she should have merely used part of one of her many hours of broadcast time to inform and to set the record straight

    2. Talking point when there's no substantive point to be made. This guy has no idea what he is talking about. I guarantee you he doesn't know that Susan Rice expressly told Bob Schieffer that same day there could have been al Qaeda involvement. If he is finding out now for the very first time, he will simply refuse to realize that it destroys everything he thinks he knows about it.

  7. I remember seeing Amy Goodman on Chris Hayes's old show one morning alongside the usual coven of Village weirdos. By comparison, she seemed to believe her function was to explain otherwise complicated issues in plain, straightforward language. CH often sounds like a college student hopped up on energy drinks and eager to show off his GRE-prep vocabulary. Too many of his guests, whoever they may be, seem only too eager to bury what little meaning or substance they have to convey under the kind of verbiage that makes the average doctoral dissertation read like "Charlotte's Web." Amy's communication skills are Orwellian in the finest sense: she is as direct and unadorned as Orwell prescribed as necessary for good writing and clear thinking.

    If only they could get Amy to move her excellent show over to Lawrence's spot.

    1. "CH often sounds like a college student hopped up on energy drinks and eager to show off his GRE-prep vocabulary. "

      LOL! And watch his hands, the gestures he makes are a whole other vocabulary. I would love to see him do a show with his hands tied behind his back, I don't think he could do it.

  8. Ambassador Chris Stevens had begun a dialog with the Palestinians while he was in Jerusalem ... Mustn't talk to the enemy ... Next we know, he is murdered. Cui bono? See ...

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    الحشرات من أكثر الأحياء أنتشارا على سطح الأرض و هى تتخذ مقامها فى مختلف أنواع المناخات ، أذ أن منها ما يعيش فى القفار الشمالية الجليدية،و منها من يعيش فى الصحارى الجافة المحرقة .و هناك أسباب عديدة تكمن وراء قدرة الحشرات على البقاء والأنتشار . فبعض الحشرات تستطيع الطيران مما يسمح لها أن تنجو بسهولة من أعدائها . ولمعظم الحشرات هيكل خارجى خفيف و قوى ، يحمى أجسامها من الداخل، وهنا يأتي دور افضل شركة مكافحة حشرات فى المدينة المنورة
    باستخدام مواد كيميائية امنة علي الصحة العامه وذو فعالية فورية للتخلص من الحشرات المزعجة لكل الناس حيث انها ضاره وناقله للامراض ومصدر قلق في المكان المتواجده به,تأتي الحشرات على حسب مواسم السنه فالحشرات الصيفيه غير الحشرات الشتوية,عدم تهويه المكان جيدا وتمرير اشعه الشمس به هو اسباب ظهور الحشرات فضلا عن البكتيريا التي تتسبب فى انشاء بيئه مناسبه لوجود حشرات
    وترجع خطوره الحشرات فى انها تنقل الامراض المعدية من خلال وقوفها على اي شيء دون تمييز ثم التنقل بسبب خفه وزنها وسهولتها على الطيران والتنقل بين الاشياء دون عائق, ولذلك تعمل شركة المروة اقوي شركة مكافحة ورش حشرات بالمدينة المنورة علي على رش المبيدات الفعالة والتي تقضي بشكل فوري على الحشرات وللحصول على نتائج فوريه المطلوب من العملاء تمرير الهواء واشعه الشمس داخل المكان وستري التخلص الفوري من الحشرات نعطي الي العملاء الضمان الكامل على رش المبيدات لسنوات عديده مع اعادة الرش مجانا وفى حال ظهور الحشرات مره اخري، فقط اتصلوا بنا نحن احسن شركات لمكافحة الحشرات بالمدينة المنورة.

  10. شركة نقل عفش فى المدينة المنورة المروة 0544401211

    أحسن النصائح المفيدة عند نقل منقولاتكم بأمان وسهولة مع شركة نقل عفش فى المدينة المنورة المروة

    شركة المروة أفضل شركة نقل عفش فى المدينة المنورة وظيفتها هى تسهيل عملية النقل لمنقولاتكم بدون عناء عليكم ،ولذلك تقدم شركتنا تسهيلاً ، لعملائنا الكرام خدمة النقل الشامل والتى تتضمن فك الاثاث ،وتعبئته،وتغليفه، وتنضيفه،وتركيبه ، وذلك تسهيلاً منا عليكم ،كما تقدم شركتنا أيضاً خدمة اخرى وهى الخدمة الفردية والتى تتضمن خدمة النقل فقط بصوره آمنه وفى اسرع وقت ،نترك لكم الإختيار فى تقديم ما هو أفضل لكم وما يناسب إحتياجاتكم سواء خدمة النقل الشامل أو النقل الفردى ويتم تحديد أسعارنا نظراً للخدمات المطلوبة وذلك تسهيلاً على عملائنا الكرام

    اذا كنت عملينا العزيز تواجه صعوبات فى أعمال نقل الاثاث , فلا قلق بعد اليوم ؛ تقوم شركة الحصان المروة باتخاذ أفضل الآلات والمعدات والأساليب التى تساعد فى بقاء الاثاث سليما مثل الاعتماد على ناقلات الاثاث والعمال المهره الاقوياء والفنيين المحترفين.

    شركة المروة ارخص شركات نقل العفش والاثاث بمدن المملكة من أفضل الشركات التى يمكنها القيام بالتغلب على كافه منافسيها نظرا للامكانيات المتخصصة التى تمتلكها ؛ فسواء كان سلم منزلك ضيق أو كان الاثاث الخاص بك له أحجام مختلفه ؛ فكل هذه المشكلات أصبح حلها بسيط ومحكم..

    يمكن لشركتنا القيام بنقل الاثاث بجميع أنواعه (سفر نوم , صالونات ,مطابخ , حمامات ,خشب , زجاج , أجهزة كهربائية ؛ فقد أصبحنا أفضل شركة نقل عفش فى المدينة المنورة وتتخصص فى نقل جميع انواع الاثاث
    فقط اتصلوا بنا ولا تترددوا


  11. المنارة هي أهم الشركات المتخصصة في التنظيف الشامل على مستوى الإمارات المتحدة تقدم خدمات ذات مستوى عالي بجودة منقطعة النظير فهي عنوان للتميز والرقي حيث أن سياسة شركة تنظيف منازل فى الشارقة في جميع تفاصيلها تهدف إلى إرضاء العميل وتوفير جميع السبل المساعدة على ذلك .
    شركة تنظيف فى الشارقة
    شركة نظافة فى الشارقة
    شركة تنظيف بالشارقة

    شركة تنظيف موكيت بالبخار بالشارقة

    تنظيف السجاد بالبخار فى الشارقة
    تنظيف بالبخار فى الشارقة
    شركات تنظيف المنازل فى الشارقة
    شركة تنظيف فلل فى الشارقة
    شركات تنظيف المبانى فى الشارقة
    شركة تنظيف شقق فى الشارقة

  12. سئو برای برند ها و کسب و کار های اینترنتی من م
    هدی پدرام مشاور سئو و سئوکار حرفه ای هستم با ه
    شت سال سابقه راهبری تیم های دیجیتال مارکتینگ. شما برای طراحی سایت
    می توانید به شرکت شازین مراجعه کنید که خدمات طراحی وب سایت ارائه م
    ی کند.

    شرکت تابلو سازی آریو پاسارگاد در سال 1381 فعا
    لیت خود را در زمینه تابلو سازی و اجرای نمای ساختمان آغاز نمود.از افتخارات شرکت آریو پاسارگاد
    دریافت لوح تقدیر از دبیر کل اجلاس صنایع ملی ایران به جهت حسن انجام فعالیت و نوآوری در زمینه تابلو ساز
    ی و کسب رتبه نخست تابلوسازی سال 95 کشور می باشد

    اتوبار و باربری تهران همتا بار ارائه دهنده خدمات بارب
    ری و اتوبار در استان تهران می باشد که شما عزیزان می توانید با تکیه بر روزمه قابل اجرای شرکت
    باربری تهران همتا بار این اطمینان را برای خودتان به وجود
    بیاورید که اسباب کشی شما را با تخصصی که در عرصه باربری داریم به مقصد مورد نظرتان برسانیم

  13. Thomas Frederick Vietor IV is an American political commentator and podcaster. He is a former spokesperson for President Obama and the United States National Security Council from 2011 to 2013. He is a founder of Crooked Media and co-hosts the podcasts Pod Save America and Pod Save the World
    یخچال دیپوینت

    بهترین یخچال ایرانی

    ست شیرالات شودر


  14. تسعى مؤسسة مكة لتكون خدماتها على مستوى جميع المدن وبنفس الكفاءة والجودة، فلا يمكن أن تختلف جودة الخدمة الخاصة بمؤسسة مكة من مكان لآخر، كما تسعى المؤسسة أن تسهل عملية التواصل مع جميع العملاء

    شركة نقل عفش بالدمام
    شركة نقل عفش بالخبر
    شركة نقل عفش بالجبيل
    شركة نقل عفش بالاحساء
    شركة نقل عفش بالقطيف
    نقل عفش جدة السامر


  15. يعد اختبار صورة الدم أحد أكثر اختبارات الدم المطلوبة شيوعًا. لفهم هذا الاختبار ، من المهم معرفة أن الدم يتكون من جزأين رئيسيين: البلازما والعناصر الخلوية. البلازما هي جزء الدم السائل الذي يسمح للدم بالتدفق بسهولة. يتكون الجزء الآخر من الدم من خلايا الدم.
    الخلايا الرئيسية في الدم هي خلايا الدم البيضاء (WBC) وخلايا الدم الحمراء (RBC) والصفائح الدموية. كل نوع من هذه الخلايا يؤدي وظائف محددة ومهمة، ويقيس اختبار تعداد الدم الكامل كمية جميع أنواع الخلايا المختلفة في الدم. كما يوفر بعض المعلومات القيمة حول المعلمات الأخرى المتعلقة بكل نوع من خلايا الدم.

    معدل سرعة الترسيب (ESR) هو اختبار دم. يقيس مدى سرعة فصل كريات الدم الحمراء عن عينة الدم التي تم علاجها حتى لا يتجلط الدم. خلال هذا الاختبار ، سيتم وضع كمية صغيرة من دمك في أنبوب عمودي. سيقيس أخصائي المعمل معدل استقرار خلايا الدم الحمراء في أسفل الأنبوب بعد ساعة واحدة.
    إذا كنت تعاني من حالة تسبب الالتهاب أو تلف الخلايا ، فإن خلايا الدم الحمراء تميل إلى التكتل معًا. هذا يجعلهم أثقل ، لذلك يستقرون بشكل أسرع. كلما زادت سرعة استقرار خلايا الدم الحمراء وسقوطها ، زادت سرعة ESR.

    يمكن أن يكون حرقان العين له عدة أسباب محتملة ، تتراوح من البسيطة إلى المعقدة. يمكن أن يحدث الإحساس بالحرق مع أو بدون أعراض أخرى مثل الحكة أو ألم العين أو العيون الدامعة أو الإفرازات. في كثير من الأحيان ، تنجم حرقة العين عن التأثيرات البيئية التي لا يمكن تجنبها ، مثل الرياح القوية أو ارتفاع عدد حبوب اللقاح. ومع ذلك ، يمكن أن تكون الأحاسيس المتشابهة أعراضًا لمشكلة أكثر خطورة في العين تتطلب عناية طبية.