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The chain of events had started last Monday night, on CNN's Cuomo Prime Time. Louisiana's Senator Kennedy had appeared on the overtalk-driven show to acknowledge that he'd been wrong in something he had said.
He'd been wrong to say that it may have been Ukraine which hacked the DNC emails during Campaign 2016! So the homespun solon now said.
Senator Kennedy said he'd been wrong! As we showed you on Saturday, this was the passage in question:
CUOMO (11/25/19): I want to hear it from you. Do you really believe that it wasn't Russia?"I was wrong," the solon had said. He called the evidence "overwhelming." "It was Russia who tried to hack the DNC computer," the homespun solon said.
KENNEDY: I did that interview yesterday with, with Chris Wallace. Damn good reporter. I was answering one of his questions. And he interjected a statement, and asked me to react to it.
What I heard Chris say was, he made the statement that only Russia had tried to interfere in the election. And I answered the question.
That's not what he said. I went back and looked at the transcript. He said only Russia tried to hack the DNC computer.
Now, Chris is right. I was wrong. The only evidence I have, and I think it's overwhelming, is that it was Russia who tried to hack the DNC computer. I see no—
CUOMO: That's what the consensus is.
KENNEDY: Yes. I've seen no indication that Ukraine tried to do it.
(Full disclosure: We don't know why the strange fellow said "tried." But your lizard will urge you to go there.)
"I was wrong," the senator said. "It was Russia," he said; the evidence is "overwhelming."
Some would say that this should count as a reasonably clear statement. That wouldn't include MSNBC's Brian Williams, the disordered fellow who spent months, in 1999 and 2000, attacking Candidate Gore for the number of buttons on his suits and for his alleged psychiatric problems.
Let's be fair! Back then, the slippery, slick multimillionaire was working for the oligarch Welch. To appearances, he played "pool boy" for his owner all through that campaign.
Today, Brian is working for somebody else. And so, this past Tuesday night, he told us this about what Kennedy said, carefully forgetting to play the actual tape of Kennedy's actual statement:
WILLIAMS (11/26/19): [Kennedy] made his first comments on Fox News with Chris Wallace, attempted the cleanup last night on CNN with Chris Cuomo—a cleanup which still left the strong whiff of, "It was probably Ukraine."Williams didn't let viewers see or hear what Kennedy actually said.
Instead, he played the Joe McCarthy card. Plainly suggesting that Kennedy was pimping Russkie propaganda, he told viewers that Kennedy's statement "still left the strong whiff" in which it was probably Ukraine which hacked the DNC emails.
(If the slackers at MSNBC ever get around to posting a transcript of Tuesday night's show, you'll be able to find it here. As of now, they're still on vacation.)
If you didn't know who and what Brian is, you might be surprised by his behavior that night. Also, if you didn't have a clear understanding of the nature of the (highly tribal, war-inclined) species to which the foppish fellow belongs.
To those who live on the slightly more rational end of our species' wading pool, Williams' behavior that night might even be viewed as heinous. In all honesty, it was fairly clear what Kennedy told Cuomo last Monday night:
He'd said that Russia hacked the DNC emails, but also that Ukraine, or at least some Ukrainian officials, had meddled in the 2016 campaign. That closely resembled what the sanctified Fiona Hill had said in the recent impeachment hearings, with her statements about those Ukrainian officials quickly disappeared.
As noted, Williams has done this sort of thing before. People are dead all over Iraq because of the way he, and more influential colleagues like Russert and Matthews, behaved during Campaign 2000.
That said, Tuesday night's demagoguery seemed extreme even for Williams. But good God! Yesterday morning, our old friend Chuck Todd staged one of the dumbest interviews we've ever seen when Kennedy appeared on Meet the Press.
We like our old friend Chuck a lot, but good God, was that interview stupid! (We'd say that three fourths of The Stupid came from Chuck, perhaps one fourth from his guest.)
That interview was stunningly unintelligent. It led to outright modern McCarthyism on today's Morning Joe.
In an overwrought opening segment, Joe kept accusing Kennedy of being a Russian tool. Periodically, Mika would offer supporting statements, such as "Wow," as Joe conducted his rant.
Eventually, Joe threw to Edward Luce, U.S. national editor at the Financial Times. When he did, Luce, a new favorite on Morning Joe, brought us right out of our chairs.
You see, Kennedy had cited various publications which had reported that Ukraine meddled or intervened in the 2016 campaign.
No, Ukraine hadn't stolen the DNC emails. But Ukrainian officials had "meddled" too, according to these publications. Or so Kennedy had told Chuck, as others had said before him.
On this morning's Morning Joe, Scarborough threw to Luce. As a representative of the Financial Times, did Luce have any idea what Kennedy was talking about?
That's what Morning Joe asked. Responding in a Maddow-reminiscent manner, Luce said that he and his editors had no idea what Kennedy could be talking about!
That's what the wonderfully dandified Luce said to Mika and Joe. Instantly, we fired up the Google machine, and within maybe 90 seconds, we were reading this report from the Financial Times.
The FT report had started like this. Headline included:
OLEARCHYK (8/28/16): Ukraine’s leaders campaign against ‘pro-Putin’ TrumpOlearchyk used the word "intervene," not "meddle." Given the non-rational nature of our species, that may help explain the total puzzlement to which Luce swore allegiance today.
For years, Serhiy Leshchenko, a top Ukrainian anti-corruption campaigner, worked to expose kleptocracy under former president Viktor Yanukovich. Now, he is focusing on a new perceived pro-Russian threat to Ukraine: US presidential candidate Donald Trump.
The prospect of Mr Trump, who has praised Ukraine’s arch-enemy Vladimir Putin, becoming leader of the country’s biggest ally has spurred not just Mr Leshchenko but Kiev’s wider political leadership to do something they would never have attempted before: intervene, however indirectly, in a US election.
Did Ukraine really intervene in the U.S. election? Stating the obvious, it all depends of what the meaning of "intervene in" is!
That said, it took us maybe 90 seconds to find the article Kennedy was talking about. Beyond that, the Ken Vogel Politico piece—the piece Hill praised for its accuracy during her impeachment testimony—has also been kept from view on "corporate liberal" cable and in all such tribal venues.
Kennedy cited Politico too. That said, Hill's comments in praise of Vogel's piece have of course been disappeared.
Did Ukraine "intervene" or "meddle" in the last election? We don't regard that as a hugely important question. That said, it would be amazingly easy to report what Kennedy is talking about, and then to proceed from there.
We humans aren't wired to play it that way! In recent weeks, people like Williams, Scarborough and Luce have agreed that you must never be told what Kennedy's talking about.
This morning, the feel of the early 1950s crept from our TV machine. Morning Joe went palpably Tailgunner Joe. And as we fact-checked Luce, we thought of our tribe's Darling Rachel.
Way back when, in April 2012, she appeared on Meet the Press and made an inaccurate statement. On that day, she said, again and again, that women are paid 77 cents on the dollar, compared to men, "for doing the same work."
No specialist actually makes that claim; no specialist claims anything like that. Yes, it's sacred tribal text—but it's also bogus, and that's easy to learn.
Rachel was challenged on Meet the Press that day; she kept insisting that she was right. That sacred text had always struck us as hugely improbable on its face, but we'd never fact-checked it before—and so, that day, we did.
It took us maybe three or four minutes to see that the sacred text was ginormously bogus. But so what? The following night, Rachel went on the air and claimed that she had spent the whole day trying to figure out why she'd been challenged. She devoted at least half her program that night to this blatant charade.
Presumably, Rachel was lying to her viewers that night. Skillfully, though, she even brought an academic on her program that night to acknowledge the fact that the tribal scripture was wrong while seeming to do the opposite. In these, and in similar ways, our species plays with words.
This is the way our "human race" is actually built to function. When push comes to shove, the truth becomes clear:
In the end, we aren't "the rational animal" at all! According to expert anthropologists, we've always been something different:
Man [sic] is the highly tribal, war-inclined animal, given to tribal fictions.With the current impeachment fight sealing Donald J. Trump's re-election, our own hapless "liberal" tribe is becoming more and more frantic. We'll examine this horrible fact all week, with reference to recent behaviors, some of which we'll try to treat as comic relief.
At the New York Times, Charles Blow's screed about Thanksgiving involves some of the most comical attempts at "journalism" we've ever seen. The screed was accompanied by Professor Silverman's screed on the same topic, a screed which brought a slightly stronger whiff of Stalinism in.
We're going to try to treat those screeds, and others like them, as comic relief. Also, though, there was the essay at The Root which called Candidate Buttigieg "a lying MF"—an essay which has been granted full tribal respect wherever our failing tribe's unhelpful loathings are sold.
Then too, the complaints about "likability." What risible creatures are we!
In the past few years, we've tried to tell you that you have to adopt a new paradigm, viewpoint or framework. You have to stop seeing other humans as "rational animals" who occasionally stray.
Instead, you need to see us as we are:
Man [sic] is the tribal, war-inclined animal given to dealing in fictions.At present, our tribe is working to keep Trump where he is. We'll try to see the comical side of this tribal disaster all through the rest of the week.
But if we might borrow from demonic Nietzsche, our species is nonhuman, all too nonhuman! Don't believe the voice which tells you that this can't be true.
Coming next year: From the wall of the cave to "the set of all sets!" It all started with Socrates, and other high comical tales
"With the current impeachment fight sealing Donald J. Trump's re-election..."ReplyDelete
Bob's here to tell us this tribal shit is going to be the ruination of us all. That's why the election of one tribe over another is way more important than some little crime against the Constitution of the United States.
Congratulations, Bob. You're now as ridiculous as David in Cal.
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"With the current impeachment fight sealing Donald J. Trump's re-election, our own hapless "liberal" tribe is becoming more and more frantic."ReplyDelete
Well, your zombie comrades did float a trial balloon a few days ago, suggesting that a 'censure' would be preferable to 'impeachment'.
But no, now it looks like they are hell-bent on total self-destruction after all. And thank god for that.
Concern trolling impeachment isn't going to work, Vladdie.Delete
What do you mean, Senator Kennedy, by "tried to hack the DNC computer"?ReplyDelete
Cut the shit, Bob. Mr. Haney ( one of only 100 US Senators representing nearly 400 million Americans) who apparently wants us to believe he baled hay and raised pigs during his stint at Oxford, knew exactly what the fuck he was doing.
Yesterday he went on MTP and deliberately continued his misinformation campaign, stating uncontested by the napping Chuck that "President Poroshenko actively worked for Secretary Clinton".
Not one fucking shred of evidence presented. Just cut the shit Bob.
Did Ukraine "intervene" or "meddle" in the last election? We don't regard that as a hugely important question.
Well it sure as shit appears to be very important to the republican traitors.
There is so much to unpack here.ReplyDelete
“He'd said that Russia hacked the DNC emails, but also that Ukraine, or at least some Ukrainian officials, had meddled in the 2016 campaign. That closely resembled what the sanctified Fiona Hill had said in the recent impeachment hearings, with her statements about those Ukrainian officials quickly disappeared.”
That does not closely or even remotely resemble what Hill said in her testimony. She never characterized anything “Ukraine” or “some Ukrainian officials” did as election meddling. Congressman Himes specifically asked her, regarding Ukraine: “Does that sound like election interference to you?” And she pointedly does not say yes to that.
Senator Kennedy, (R-LA), graduate magna cum laude from Vanderbilt, Bachelor of Civil Law degree with first class honors from Oxford University, made his initial statement, (that he didn’t know who hacked the server, it could’ve been Ukraine) on Fox News. But we are asked now to credit his “correction” (on CNN). And now, Kennedy is citing media reports to “back up” his claims. Did he also cite that Clinton Cash NYT piece to show how corrupt Hillary was? Does Bob wish to analyze the Vogel piece from Politico and see if it contains the same kinds of inuendos as that Clinton Cash piece?
More specifically, would Bob like to offer any criticism of the principal astounding claim that Solon Kennedy offered in that Meet The Press interview, when he claimed that “But the fact that Russia was so aggressive does not exclude the fact that President Poroshenko actively worked for Secretary Clinton.”
How far gone Somerby seems, spending 90 seconds Googling media reports, only to offer them up in TDH uncritically to support some garbage Republican talking point.
And now, Kennedy is citing media reports to “back up” his claims.Delete
Just this morning on Morning Joe an editor from the Financial Times ( I think) or one of the other publications Kennedy is waving around, stated point blank, no qualifications, that he had no idea what article in their publication Kennedy could be referencing. And he said he actually did a search because he couldn't understand the reference Kennedy has been making.
Somebody needs to nail that sonofabitch Kennedy down when he starts listing all these supposed articles in these very reputable publications which purport to support his claims. Sadly it is not going to be the incompetent Chuck Todd.
Hill criticized the Ukrainian ambassador to the United States for an op-ed he wrote against Trump before the election. She characterized it as "ill-advised".Delete
"ill-advised" but not interference in the election JFCDelete
Really good point about Chuck Todd. Although, if Kennedy is just making shit up, that would be hard to refute.
It is interesting that, even though Kennedy doesn’t specifically mention which Financial Tines article he is referring to, Somerby very helpfully provides us with an article, or at least a link and an excerpt. How does Somerby know that is the one Kennedy is referring to? He can’t know based solely on Kennedy’s appearance on MTP. Is Somerby assuming that is the one, or...?
Also, the Financial Times article Somerby links to is behind a pay wall, so it is unverifiable and uncriticizable.
In a post principally chastising media figures, like Williams, Scarborough, “old friend” Chuck Todd, and even Maddow (in a completely off-topic subject), Somerby says this:ReplyDelete
“With the current impeachment fight sealing Donald J. Trump's re-election, our own hapless "liberal" tribe is becoming more and more frantic.”
The unavoidable implication is that “our liberal tribe” is as full of propaganda and flat-out lying as that witch Maddow and all the other media baddies. It is as if impeachment is an act of desperation, fueled by lies and tribal propaganda. Just like the media/our tribe/the media/our tribe...
“(Full disclosure: We don't know why the strange fellow said "tried." But your lizard will urge you to go there.)”ReplyDelete
Of course. Any speculation comes from your lizard. Forget the context. Kennedy keeps making “misstatements”, partially walking them back, then making more “misstatements.” And many Republicans keep saying all kinds of similar things as Kennedy, behaving in similar ways. But I’m sure they’re all individually motivated, one-off statements that don’t add up to a pattern.
“There is no context here in which you are allowed to see what the Republicans are trying to do.”
It’s an old Jedi mind trick.
Daily reminder that the so called intelligence community has produced ZERO evidence that Russia hacked the DNC server, and that WikiLeaks has flat out contradicted that claim.ReplyDelete
Daily reminder that the so called intelligence community has concluded that Russia hacked the DNC server, provided the classified details to Congressional leaders, and that Donald Trump has flat out contradicted that claim.Delete
“Joe kept accusing Kennedy of being a Russian tool.”ReplyDelete
Scarborough didn’t say that. He asked why Kennedy and other Republicans were “willingly repeating Russian talking points”, even though Donald Trump’s intel agencies warned them not to do it.
The so-called "Russian talking points" have the advantage of much better reflecting reality than your zombie talking points.Delete
In fact, anything your zombie cult slanders as "Russian talking points" or "debunked conspiracy theory" is the god's honest truth. This rule has no exceptions.
Zombie cult slanderers say you can't drink a quart of Draino in less than 2 minutes. Russian talking points say you can easily drink two quarts of Draino in less than a minute.Delete
Tsk. Poor dembot. Sounds like it's back to glue sniffing for you.Delete
And just like that, Mao found the exception to the ruleDelete
Hey Mao, remember that time when you were correct about something? Me neither.
Whoa, that was quick. Was this already the product of your glue sniffing, is it still Drano talking, dear dembot?Delete
Instead, he [Williams] played the Joe McCarthy card.ReplyDelete
Oh, please. McCarthy and his enablers smeared people, in and out of government, for their legal political activities in joining the Communist Party, attending Communist meetings, or holding undefined “subversive” views. McCarthyites played an entire deck of cards, including blacklists, large-scale firings, and harassment of gay people. Few of the victims had any strong ties to the Communist Party and fewer still had any capacity to threaten US security.
Williams is an incompetent hack who has always been for sale. But as worthless as he is, he’s not inventing the threat posed by Trump and his pack of party-first-country-last feral trumpers.
The Dems have gone full guns neo McCarthism. 2 years of Russiagate that was a total waste of time (the Mueller report found no evidence of collusion, coordination, conspiracy, conjoining, cohabitation, co-mingling, Cohibas, cocaine or anything between Trump and Russia) and a few weeks ago Clinton, in a major, major act of neo McCarthism, accused Tulsi Gabbard of being a Russian asset.Delete
Russia isn't even in the top ten of world economies but dumb liberals take the bait not realizing the CIA has infiltrated the news media and is behind the ridiculous, implausible neo McCarthite propgandista. w
If I were Democrats, I would stop worrying about Donald Trump and start talking to the American people about jobs and health care.
start talking to the American people about jobs and health care.Delete
Or otherwise D J Chickenshit, Acting President, might unveil his long awaited greatest ever in the history of the universe health care plan, right Boris?
"and start talking to the American people about jobs and health care"Delete
They are talking about jobs and healthcare.
Their tax plans would likely produce capital flight, greatly reducing the number of jobs.
And they're planning to offer free healthcare to everyone in the world. Iow, no healthcare for anyone.
Even Barry The Demigod is frustrated.
On the other hand, they now have an actual globalist bankster in the race. They should nominate him, and they probably will. Good, at least it's honest.
No doubt Democrats are conflating Russia with the Republican Party because both are criminal enterprises.
Your suggestion for Democrats to start talking to the American people about jobs and health care is already paying off with Warren and Sanders leading the way.
Unfortunately, the Right-wing of the United States fears alleviating the economic hardships of the people, because it will alleviate racism (They're two sides of the same coin). IOW, the economic hardship of the people is a feature, not bug, of Right-wing rule.
Meanwhile the woke Dems in DC vote to extend the Patriot Act. Did you sheep read about that in your no-longer-relevant blogs? Did they even mention it?Delete
I wish I could be as reductive as you.Delete
"Their tax plans would likely produce capital flight..."Delete
That would be awesome. The amount of money we save, on the military alone, not having to protect the profits and assets of the Establishment Elite, will more than allow us to provide healthcare for everyone on the planet.
Unless there are more Establishment Elite cock-suckers (like Mao) than I think, those tax plans should lead to an electoral landslide.
We definitely need more politicians like Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, Ilhan Omar, Ayanna Pressley and Rashida Tlaib. who voted "No" on the Patriot Act Reauthorization.
What are you dong to put more of them in office?
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Where's the rest of your post? The part where you make a point seems to have been cut off.
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