MONDAY, DECEMBER 5, 2022
But also, West and Trump: Donald J. Trump has now declared that the United States Constitution should be "terminated."
Hold on though—it gets even dumber than that! Kanye West has now declared that Hitler wasn't so bad after all. Also, there's the way the Morning Joe crowd has reacted to these events.
Also, though, there's also last week's unveiling of new greatest film of all time.
How does this array of topics actually hang together? You're asking a very good question! Let's start with the new greatest film.
Attention, Storyline shoppers! The newly-anointed greatest film of all time is a movie you've never heard of!
The identity of this greatest movie has emerged from a new survey. What's the title of the greatest film? Brace yourselves—here it comes:
Jeanne Dielman, 23 quai du Commerce, 1080 Bruxelles
That's the somewhat unwieldy title of the greatest film of all time. Released in 1975, Jeanne Dielman was directed by Chantal Akerman, a Belgian filmmaker you've also never heard of.
Briefly, let's be frank! The fact that you've never heard of this film doesn't mean that it isn't the greatest film of all time.
Of course, everyone knows that there's no such thing as the greatest film of all time. But if there actually were some such film, Jeanne Dielman could of course be it, whether you've heard of the film or not.
Still, the fact that this has been voted the new greatest film strikes us as highly instructive. It helps us understand where our basic ideas come from, including our ideas about the best way to respond to the dangerous public behaviors of people like Trump and West.
On what basis are we reporting that Jeanne Dielman has emerged as history's greatest film? Simple! It was voted as such in the new Sight & Sound critics' poll of history's greatest films.
Sight & Sound conducts this survey every ten years. In 2002, Jeanne Dielman had been known to critics for 27 years—and critics selected it, at that time, as the 75th greatest film.
The film wasn't known to regular people at that time, but it was known to film critics. Back then, it was only the 75th greatest film—but today, it's number 1!
What explains the rise of this film in the Sight & Sound survey? Almost surely, there are at least several factors involved in the switch—but it's also worth noting a humorous aspect of this great film's great rise.
The humorous aspect is this:
Based on what we've been reading and seeing, this greatest film—Jeanne Dielman, 23 quai du Commerce, 1080 Bruxelles—is almost impossibly boring. It runs for well over three hours, and it seems to be impossibly hard to sit through!
Quite a few people have noted this point in discussing the great film's ascension. Consider one example:
Over at Vox, Alyssa Wilkinson voted in the new "greatest films" survey. Her report about last week's unveiling appears beneath this pair of headlines:
It’s best you know nothing about the new greatest movie of all time
The movie “Jeanne Dielman, 23, quai du Commerce, 1080 Bruxelles” was recently declared No. 1 in the prestigious Sight and Sound poll. Go in as cold as possible.
If you plan to watch the film, why should you "go in as cold as possible?" As she starts her intriguing report, Wilkinson starts to explain:
WILKINSON (12/1/22): I’m forever playing catch-up, so years ago when I walked into my first viewing of the 1975 drama Jeanne Dielman, 23 quai du Commerce, 1080 Bruxelles, all I knew was that I probably should see this movie I’d heard of. What I didn’t know was anything else. Its plot. Its significance aside from its brilliant Belgian director, Chantal Akerman. The fact that it’s 201 minutes long (yes, that’s almost three and a half hours).
I discovered the runtime a couple minutes before it started and flinched. But, having texted my husband that I’d be late for dinner, I settled in. And was instantly mesmerized.
I can’t tell you why. Not because I don’t know, but because the experience taught me that this is a movie it’s best to see knowing as little as possible. I can tell you that it’s long, and for much of its runtime, it’s extremely boring. That is, precisely, the point—and if you’re ready to lean into patience, you’ll be rewarded.
For much of the greatest film's great length, the film is extremely boring. That's "precisely the point," Wilkinson says—though she adds that you'll be rewarded in the end if you can stick it out.
Later, Wilkinson explains the way this unknown film managed to become the greatest film, greater even than previous winners in this survey like Citizen Kane and Vertigo:
WILKINSON: There are lots of factors that led to this point. The movie is astounding, to be sure. Akerman, its director, who is a pioneer of feminist filmmaking, died in 2015, three years after the last poll. The film also was restored and re-released in the Criterion Collection in 2017, which means people like me who hadn’t seen it previously (we didn’t all go to film school) got a chance to do so in theaters. And the pool of voters from which the final list was drawn has been diversified since 2012, so it’s possible that helped with a film that is, undoubtedly, an ur-text of feminist film.
But I don’t want to discount the fact that Jeanne Dielman offers something unique: it runs against the grain of the frenetic, effects-heavy, plot-driven cinema world we now inhabit. It treats its audience like adults, people who have developed the ability to pay attention to something without looking at a second screen every three minutes. It’s repetitive. It feels like watching time. It does not explain what it is about because it thinks you will watch long enough to learn. It barely has any dialogue. There are no jokes. It has no references to the outside world, no story that can be turned into a franchise. You don’t want to watch a sequel to Jeanne Dielman.
According to this critique, you wouldn't want to experience a second such film—but this one's the best of all time!
You wouldn't want to see a sequel! That said, Wilkinson's explanation continues:
WILKINSON (continuing directly): But it’s also the kind of movie that, while you can watch it at home, absolutely begs to be seen in a cinema next to a dozen other people. (Hard to imagine a bigger audience than that.) Not for big-screen eyepoppers or huge sound effects, but because there are a few moments you have to be watching intently to catch and, then, you’ll gasp.
If I sound like I’m being vague, it’s because I am. If you’re ready to watch Jeanne Dielman, then I want you to go in as unspoiled as possible. A movie like this one is a little like a training ground for experiencing art. It asks you to enter without expectations, to sit quietly and get yourself out of the way, to fidget and feel antsy and stay and see what the movie wants to give you. There are vanishingly few movies like this anymore—certainly next to none being produced in Hollywood.
According to Wilkinson, if you sit through the full three hours plus, there will be a few moments when you'll gasp.
If you're in a movie theater, you'll be sitting with maybe a dozen other people. It's hard to imagine the greatest film attracting a bigger audience than that!
You're going to fidget, and you'll feel antsy, as the drudgery proceeds. Hollywood almost never produces films like this any more!
Perhaps a bit comically, Wilkinson finally notes the source of Jeanne Dielman, 23 quai du Commerce, 1080 Bruxelles's unparalleled greatness. As it turns out—and also, perhaps a bit comically—this new greatest film of all time is "a little like a training ground for experiencing art."
Presumably, the world's film critics already know how to execute that task. For that reason, they understand that this is the world's greatest film, even though you've never heard of the film and it would bore you stiff.
In our view, there's a lot to learn from this turn of events in Sight & Sound's new survey. More precisely, there's a lot to learn about where our basic frameworks of understanding come from—including the frameworks we bring to bear upon public figures like Trump and West.
Is Kanye West best understood as a public enemy or as a (tragically) public idiot? Similarly, what would be the most sensible and constructive way to respond to the latest idiocies emerging from Donald J. Trump?
Is Donald J. Trump a dangerous villain, or is he best understood as a fundamentally disordered person who seems to be dealing with mental health and/or cognitive issues? And as always, more to the point:
Where do our basic ideas about such matters come from?
If there really was such a thing as the world's greatest film, it's always possible that the world's most boring film might also be the greatest. It could be that the critics in the new Sight & Sound survey got it exactly right this time, correcting their colleagues' past misjudgments.
That said, it's also possible that this new survey helps us see the way certain cosseted elites help drive the public's basic frameworks of understanding, even about such serious topics as the behavior of dangerous, disordered public figures like West and Trump.
There's no such thing as the world's greatest film! Also, it doesn't matter if a few thousand critics are possibly wrong in this, their guild's most recent judgment.
That said, it's possible that our culture's various elites can sometimes say the dumbest things and reach the dumbest judgments. That leads us to a question which actually is important:
Is it possible? Is it possible that our elites really been showing bad judgment in the way they keep urging us to respond to the gong-show public idiocy of people like West and Trump?
Tomorrow: Where to start?
Four minutes, three hours: To experience four minutes (and 29 seconds) of the new greatest film of all time, you can just click this.
Almost surely, you'll be bored to tears. On the brighter side, you'll be getting a three-minute primer in the way to experience art!
Readers, you can thank us later! For now, just click and writhe!
"...public idiocy of people like West and Trump?"
Oh, dear. Are they publicly talking about wimmin trapped into men's bodies? Oh noes. Say it ain't so, dear Bob...
...or, are they brilliantly trolling brain-dead liberals?.. Tsk. Questions, questions...
The idea that Mao loves Trump because he trolls liberals, and not because Trump gave a HUGE tax break to Mao's bosses, the Establishment Elite, is too stupid for even a standard-issue bigoted, Reagan Republican to believe.
Not to mention he now plays hisDelete
whataboutism on a level that
wouldn’t cut it in prekindergarten.
But, alas, so does Bob.
ao, much like how these elitist film critics came up this apparently boring unknown flic as the greatest flic of all time, you've solved how to rationalize Hitler praising kooks - they are trolling "braindead liberals." I guess you had to think of some way to make it seem ok to advocate for removing the stigma against Hitler. You've hit upon that absurd as it is. good for you. Being a Nazi is fine because it gets under the despised liberals' skin, if I understand you correctlyDelete
Mao’s bosses are officials of the Russian government.Delete
We are for removing all stigmas, dear dembot. We are a pluralist and a proponent of diversity of opinions.
If Kanye West has something to say, he should be able to say it.
...and (with all due respect) anyhow it's bound to be more interesting than word-salads of yours and of your brain-dead liberal comrades...
Mao, you're ridiculous - and quite possibly disordered.Delete
Whoa, coming from a soros-bot, this is the highest praise indeed. We are flattered, dear AC/MA.
...keep 'em coming, dear, please...
Mao, typical nitwit comment Mao.Delete
You were funnier when you pretended you weren't the Establishment's biggest cheerleader.
Is Bob going to tell us how to treat elites, like Kanye West and Donald Trump? This should be hilarious.ReplyDelete
There used to br a short cartoon that showed Bambi eating grass in a clearing with idyllic pastoral music. That went on for several minutes when a giant reptilian foot obliterates Bambi. Then the title is shown: Bambi Meets Godzilla. You are bored, then you gasp, then you get the point, which is a joke. It was great short animation.ReplyDelete
Somerby appears incapable of imaging interest in mundane life, punctuated by reality that may cause gasps. He doesn’t seem to understand contrast, or how shared humanity might be mesmerizing, much as he calls us to appreciate our sameness. He uses his writing skills to put down this feminist film called great, and the critics who loved it, presumably in favor of more superhero effects-driven movies. So doing, he proves he lacks the patience for art, which is his loss, not ours.
Ironically, Somerby’s reaction shows we are not all alike. Thank God! I do think Somerby and Trump would have the same reaction to this great film, and anything else requiring a suble mind and taste.
The YouTube movie clip shows women aren’t all alike too.Delete
The female character gave more care and attention to making dinner than she did in checking if her baby was still breathing.
I haven’t watched the clip, but it seems to me that preparing a meal is more complicated than watching a baby breathe.Delete
I suppose it’s a matter of priorities.Delete
But cooking is more complex than observing your infant in a carrier sitting on table.
It seems to me that the excerpt shows multiple things the woman has to attend to, which was quite often the case. And still is.Delete
First things first.Delete
Maybe the baby didn’t like Wiener Schnitzel.Delete
Yeah. Hit too close to home.Delete
Shall I sue my mother because she left me in the crib while she went into the kitchen to make dinner for her family, as she did every evening? And that was after she did the laundry and vacuumed the house, while my father was at work (when not having affairs), again leaving me in the crib, not assuming that her baby would suddenly stop breathing…Delete
mh — it depends. Was your mother cooking wiener schnitzel?Delete
She never fixed that. Fried chicken and meatloaf. We weren’t wealthy.Delete
Not her baby. Why is 12:46 such a bitter moron?Delete
The point is that oppression is bad for society, and makes individuals act out, and just getting a crumb of joy is difficult to process for such folk, since their lives are filled with drudgery. Right wing White males may struggle to relate to this, but that does not diminish it's value.
This is one of the most famous movies of all times, Somerby is just doing his impression of a philistine, today, just like yesterday...
Interestingly, Somerby takes a nasty tone towards this film, something he daily reprimands non right wingers for doing, even though they do not really do what he claims.
The film’s subtitle is “Portrait de la condition feminine.” If the film is boring, what do you suppose that says about the feminine condition? Why didn’t Somerby put that together?ReplyDelete
You’re right. Cecelia is boring.Delete
Cecelia may be feminine but they are not a female.Delete
Come to think of it, we’ve never examined Cecelia’s chromosomes.Delete
Has Bob ever read an issue of “Sight and Sound?” I doubt it. It’s a film buff magazine thatReplyDelete
has never had a lot of play in the
Is this new result a touch on the
Wokey side? Sure. Is the very idea of
proclaiming one movie the greatest
ever kinda dumb? Of course, always
But, today it gives Bob another
pathetic opportunity to counter balance
the degenerate collapse of the
American right with something that
is kinda sorta on the left.
I don’t get it. Is Somerby saying that Trump is boring?ReplyDelete
Oh Lord, Somerby is sure having fun today.ReplyDelete
Is the best way for us to respond toReplyDelete
Trump? Bob’s answer seems to be
not to respond at all. Ye’s Hitler love,
obviously, reminds us where that
In the movie, she’s making Wiener schnitzel.ReplyDelete
Wiener Shnitzel, or Viennese cutlets, are made from veal. Producing this meat is cruel.Delete
In the video she is not producing meat.Delete
I agree Anonymouse 1:22pm.Delete
I made it a couple of times, by request, years ago, for an Austrian friend of my husband.
Her husband is probably high maintenance.Delete
“Austrian friend”. Were his initials AH?Delete
lol Cecelia, everybody knows you are not female, and do not have a husband.Delete
“The fact that you've never heard of this film doesn't mean that it isn't the greatest film of all time.”ReplyDelete
“Of course, everyone knows that there's no such thing as the greatest film of all time.”
And yet, this film can’t really be the greatest, because Bob Somerby finds a four minute excerpt of it boring. And he never heard of it before.
Somerby’s contention is that a four minute film excerpt of a woman preparing a meal can’t possibly be interesting or artistic. Sorry all you women from the past. Also, there’s no surfing or bikinis a la “Blue Crush.”
“In 2002, Jeanne Dielman had been known to critics for 27 years—and critics selected it, at that time, as the 75th greatest film.”ReplyDelete
Yes, times don’t change, critics don’t re-evaluate things, a new generation of critics never arises, the film was ranked 35th in 2012…
It isn’t particularly instructive that film critics have always been an elite group with ideas about filmmaking that often differ from the general public. Duh.
Calm down MH! Do you really have to get so indignant with TDH even when he says something as obvious and apolitical as that there is no such thing as 'the greatest movie of all time?"Delete
Indignant? No. I’m scoffing at the idea that Somerby has said anything much at all with this post. Which by the way is anything but apolitical. He connects the judgment of film critics, which he disagrees with, to the coverage of Trump and Kanye, and is a swipe at liberals and journalists again.Delete
There no such thing as Santa Claus but everyone celebrates Christmas. There's no such thing as a GOAT in sports but Somerby participates in those discussions, taking them seriously. Just because there will not be one single immutable choice across time and place, doesn't mean it isn't interesting to discuss which films have which merits. Somerby is not a film enthusiast. You have to like people to like film, and Somerby actively dislikes an entire gender and then he dislikes half the men too because they are in the wrong political tribe (he no doubt suspects a blue framework lurking in the choice of this film and will tell us that it is there, tomorrow, but won't tell us what it consists of or provide any evidence to support his claim). That would be too much work.Delete
What might make that film more interesting and watchable? Ask yourself why a middle-aged woman would choose to live a life that the audience cannot bear to watch without being bored to tears.
Somerby used to quote a Yevtushenko poem saying that there are no uninteresting people. If that were true for Somerby, he would see the greatness in this film, as the people who devote their lives to making and watching movies do. But Somerby only quotes poems as his private form of empty virtue signaling. There is no glory in criticizing the critics -- just a pitiful blindness to what makes people important, all of them, even the women who remind him of his mother to the point where he cannot watch even 5 minutes on Youtube without rejecting the entire enterprise.
I’m sure Somerby will go ape sh*t when he finds out how the woman in the film earns a living. That will really prove the depravity of liberals.ReplyDelete
Is she a hooker on the side?Delete
That’s always a movie trope that either represents the chronic debasement of women or is a symbol of our brilliant emancipation.
That settles it. I’m never watching that flick.Delete
I think I did see it once while waiting on a pickup order at Chipotle.Delete
Prostitution was legalized in Belgium in 1995.Delete
And then there’s this movie, which may represent neither.Delete
"According to Wilkinson, if you sit through the full three hours plus, there will be a few moments when you'll gasp. "ReplyDelete
The film "The Longest Day" was 2 hr 58 minutes long. It was full of slogging and dull moments, punctuated by gasps generated by moments of violence. It is generally regarded as an excellent film. The authors of that film made it long in order to capture the essence of the preparation and execution of the Omaha Beach landing. Similarly, the authors of this film that Somerby is apparently unfit to appreciate wanted to convey the essence of women's lives.
Cecelia wants to gloat about prostitution, but she too may not understand the analogy of prostitution used by feminists to capture the nature of some women's relationships with men.
Anonymouse 4:05pm, I recognize and understand, but don’t gloat over the power of women over men.Delete
We both know it’s a trade-off.
Anonymouse 5:23pm, it’s sad to see that you are so dishonest as to intentionally misinterpret my statement, about feminine attraction being a trade-off as to real power.Delete
The lauding of mandatory classes into female disenfranchisement aside, is there anything you wouldn’t say in order to denigrate a conservative woman who has stated it better than you ever have?
Sierra Nevada means Snowy Mountains.Delete
5:44 Conservative in what way?Delete
The original Conservatives were anti slavery (and anti wage slavery), they wanted to conserve the notions laid out in the Declaration of Independence about equality. The were Republicans initially, later they were Dems.
Then there are those of the Conservative Movement, which was a reaction to the New Deal, that's the thin sliver of politics modern Republicans cling to.
I suspect you do not know how to define things like left, right, conservative, or even a coherent definition of politics. Politics is about who gets to make decisions, leftists support equality, those on the right want hierarchy.
You are not "conservative", you are right wing: you have no ideology, you only want to dominate through the usual weapons of hierarchy, competition, meritocracy, oppression (racial, sex, gender) you name it.
Also you are not coherent; read your comments, they don't parse, they don't make sense, they are a garble of nonsense. "stated it better"? You did not state anything, and just prior you offered this nonsensical word salad "lauding of mandatory classes into female disenfranchisement". Oof. Clearly you are lost at sea. Or alone in a cabin in the woods somewhere.
Also you are not at peace, your attitude seethes with hatred and bitterness. Writing comments here is not a pathway to gain a better quality of mental health for you, it is just enabling the worst of you.
You are such a tragic figure, as you represent so much pain in our society.
Anonymouse 7:38pm, we’ve been referencing irony tonight and yours is undoubtably lost on you.Delete
Kanye West and his buddy eat with Trump: Jon Stewart presents an award to a guy with a swastika tatoo. The two-party system allows each side to pick their own nazi.ReplyDelete
Let us know when Jon Stewart becomes the ex-president and then remains the leading contender for the Republican Party for President in 2024 with continued large support from the official party apparatus.Delete
Stewart gave an award to a guy with a swastika tattoo?Delete
Heh. Yes, he did.Delete
...but at least he hasn't armed them to the tune of 40 billion taxpayers' dollars...
"Almost surely, you'll be bored to tears."ReplyDelete
You can say this about any art house film. Somerby just doesn't like cinema.
Meanwhile, most of the people Somerby's age are complaining about the action adventure and DC-Marvel films that our generation finds unwatchable. Even rom-coms have gone so raunchy that they are annoying (not funny) to older people. So why pick on this particular film?
Somerby gets a two-fer. He gets to pick on so-called experts and call them elitist. He also gets to tell everyone how boring women are. He must be in pig-heaven today!
There was bound to be someone who found the making of wiener schnitzel a fascinating thing.Delete
Good to hear from you!
I find the preparation of food fascinating, not boring, particularly when it is an excerpt from a larger film that isn’t about making Wiener schnitzel.Delete
It was about making Wiener schnitzel. It was about ignoring a baby.Delete
Mad Men did it better.
That isn’t what the film is about.Delete
Babies don’t need to be watched while breathing.Delete
Babies need to be watched while eating wiener schnitzel.Delete
Right, and links in blogs are never meant to be hit.Delete
There's a monkey in the jungleDelete
Watchin' a vapor trail
Caught up in the conflict
Between his brain and his tail
And if time's elimination
Then we got nothing to lose
Please repeat the message
Its the music that we choose
Get the cool
Get the cool sunshine
Get the cool
Get the cool sunshine
It isn't surprising that the two least empathetic people at this blog, Somerby and Cecelia, agree about this movie, just as they agree about all things Trump.ReplyDelete
Oh, youre subtle, Anonymouse 4:58pm.Delete
Somerby relays what critics have said about a movie he has never seen (you haven’t seen it either) but one that they bash and warn and praise all in the same sentence.
But his sense of irony is not “empathetic”.
Yeah, you are right, Einstein. Yeah.
He only quotes one such critic. On the other hand, it is to be noted that you feel that Somerby finds it ironic that the critic thought passages in the movie were boring and yet still liked the film as art. It’s almost as if you and Somerby have decided what constitutes art.Delete
mh, actually, it’s almost as if I think the reaction that Somerby, personally, has to the reactions of the movie’s champions (from 75th to #1) is an amusing blog.Delete
Try it sometime…
Cecelia: The move was ranked 75th…in 2002. It was 35th in 2012. It moved up 40 spots in those 10 years. But so what? Times change. Critics change and are replaced. I don’t find this post amusing. I found the film clip fascinating, not boring, and I don’t usually approve of self-appointed judgmental types who invite you to watch a clip and assume your reaction will be identical to his.Delete
mh, on the contrary, you’re responding to his blog and to his broaching a subject that he initiated as to his opinion.Delete
WHO is demanding what of you?
Einstein developed the general theory of relativity.Delete
Are you an idiot, Cecelia? Somerby said “you can just click this. Almost surely, you'll be bored to tears.” I wasn’t. He invited me to view it, and his assumption about my reaction was faulty and presumptuous.Delete
So you loved watching someone breading veal.Delete
Somerby and veal was all it took to find an alternate opinion from yours less than amusing, and in fact, suspect,
Sorry you think food preparation is boring. Guess you won’t become a professional chef. And the way comedy works, Cecelia, is that it strikes a chord with the audience.Delete
And here we originally thought that the preparation of food was just one more drudgery that women had to attend to.Delete
You seem to be getting close to understanding the intent of that scene and why it’s art.Delete
You seem to have gotten less so.Delete
In what way?Delete
Your odes to food prep, mh. That and the fact that you haven’t seen the movie, but you’re aghast at a blogger making fun of one.Delete
“Odes to food prep?” Am I not allowed to find it fascinating? To watch it in detail? It may be intended to represent drudgery, in the film, but the depiction of it in all of its detail is a fascinating idea. It strikes me as artistic, not ridiculous.Delete
And yes, I have seen the film, quite a few years ago.
Cecelia: this post “is an amusing blog. “ReplyDelete
Somerby: ‘Donald J. Trump has now declared that the United States Constitution should be "terminated."’
I can’t see why anyone would find the juxtaposition of these two things unfunny.
See, it’s funny because the demand to terminate the constitution comes from the front runner for the 2024 Republican presidential nomination who gets massive support from the party apparatus. But he’s a nutcase! Haha. Did I mention he is getting massive support from the GOP? Haha. Lol. Then there’s that sight and sound poll that voted a film #1 that Somerby despises. Clearly relevant! Comedy gold! Where can we see Somerby live on stage?Delete
So you do find the juxtaposition unfunny, after all?Delete
Glad you asked. I am using a technique here that commenters to this blog are told the blogger frequently uses. It’s called “irony.” Look it up sometime.Delete
Okay. So you find irony in the superfluous odes to a three hour movie that is admittedly mostly tedium billed along with how the media handled Trump’s statement.Delete
Somberly does too.
Self-obsessed narcissists are easily bored. It is why Trump has never finished a book. Somerby often comes across as a narcissist, as many performers are. Trolls have the dark triad of personality: narcissism, sociopathy, machiavellianism. A mom with those traits does her child a kindness by ignoring him while he sleeps. A baby is not an audience for his mother’s performative virtue. Somerby hates women because they see through him and don’t laugh when he tells a joke, only when he doesn’t. Somerby doesn’t deserve to watch such a film.Delete
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