WARS: Some people died on the battlefields...

MONDAY, MARCH 11, 2024

...some in the prison camps: "Now we're engaged in a great civil war," President Lincoln once said.

In one colloquial sense of the term, the war in question was something less than "civil." The leading authority on the matter offers this report on its immediate human costs:

The war resulted in at least 1,030,000 casualties (3 percent of the population), including about 620,000 soldier deaths—two-thirds by disease—and 50,000 civilians. Binghamton University historian J. David Hacker believes the number of soldier deaths was approximately 750,000, 20 percent higher than traditionally estimated, and possibly as high as 850,000.

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Based on 1860 census figures, 8 percent of all white men aged 13 to 43 died in the war, including 6 percent in the North and 18 percent in the South. About 56,000 soldiers died in prison camps during the War. An estimated 60,000 soldiers lost limbs in the war.

Some died on the battlefields, some in the prison camps. Wars which are necessary, even just, do come with vast human costs.

As we've noted in recent weeks, the first European "poem of war" is something like three thousand years old. It describes a largely mythical war which would have taken place centuries earlier, "at the time of the Late Bronze Age collapse, in the early 12th century BC."

It tells the story of a ten-year siege of a mighty walled city—a siege conducted by the Achaeans (most simply, by an assembly of Greeks) against the inhabitants of Ilium, more commonly known now as Troy.

That war was conducted in bloody but simpler times. For those who participated in the war, there seemed to be no real doubt concerning which side you were on.

Participants in this mythical war knew which side they were on! Inhabitants of Troy were under a state of siege, facing an existential threat from a powerful collection of Achaean armies. Fairly early in the poem, Hector, the son of Troy's King Priam, described the stakes to Andromache, his generous wife:

And tall Hector nodded, his helmet flashing:
"All this weighs on my mind too, dear woman.
But I would die of shame to face the men of Troy
and the Trojan women trailing their long robes
if I would shrink from battle now, a coward...
For in my heart and soul I also know this well:
the day will come when sacred Troy must die,
Priam must die and all his people with him,
Priam who hurls the strong ash spear..."

The day will come when sacred Troy must die! For inhabitants of the great walled city, the endless, ongoing ten-year siege was an existential threat. 

The masses of Achaean warriors also knew they had to wage their endless war: You see, Late Bronze Age culture was built around the pursuit of war, and the Achaeans were acting on a point of honor! A point of honor concern (with apologies) the most beautiful woman in the world, Menelaus' former wife!

Given the warrior culture which prevailed at that time, Achaean warriors were eager to seek glory on the field of battle in the course of conducting their siege.  Hector shared that cultural outlook:

Glory was earned on the field of battle, a point he explains in much greater (and astounding) detail as that conversation with his generous wife continues.

Given the offence to honor which had occurred; given the nature of Late Bronze Age culture; none of the Achaeans ever questions the reason for conducting this endless siege of Troy. Indeed, no one on either side in this Bronze Age war ever expresses any doubt concerning which side he (or she) is on.

From its opening pages, the poem turns on expressions of rage—expressions of rage brought on by perceived slights to honor. For the record, these slights all involve disputes about sexual and marital relations between men and women, a general point of concern which lingers today, in various forms, in our own political war.

Today, our struggling nation, such as it is, is involved in a growing political war. As with Lincoln's war, so too with our own—this is an internal war, not a war between two groups of geographically distinct populations. 

In the development of our war, citizens of a pre-existing nation-state are forced to decide which side they're on, or it they want to be on a side at all. 

Achaeans and Trojans had no such choice. In theory, we moderns do.

Theirs was a Late Bronze Age war; ours is a war of the Information Age. But certain impulses—perhaps including the impulse to wage war itself—may not have changed all that much over the thousands of years.

As we conduct our political war here within our struggling nation, can we possibly learn to see ourselves more clearly through a review of our earliest literature—through the way the impulse to war was carried out in a much less complexified time?

Our current political war involves two major populations—Red America and Blue. Because our war isn't being fought over a single offense to honor, our alignments in this ongoing war have to be built around a wide array of causes and slights.

With that in mind, we'll riddle you this:

Are points of difference sometimes created by those who want to drive us to war—by those who are still gripped, perhaps unknowingly, by that ancient, primal impulse? Can we trust the things we're told by the various people who are creating the points of honor which will recruit us into this war?

Hector told his generous wife that he knew sacred Troy must die. Civilizations can die in our human wars. It happens all the time!

Lincoln wasn't a Bronze Age man. "We must not be enemies," he fruitlessly said. "We are not enemies, but friends."

Tomorrow: Senator Britt declines to relent. How about President Biden?


29 comments:

  1. Bob says, "no one on either side in this Bronze Age war ever expresses any doubt concerning which side he (or she) is on."

    By contrast, American leadership has the US on both sides of the war between Israel and Hamas. This makes no sense in terms of international relations, but it's perfectly logical in terms of getting Biden elected. By supporting both Israel and Hamas, Biden can secure the votes of American Jews and American Muslims..

    Of course, Biden's dual strategy wastes American resources. It probably prolongs the war, resulting in a greater number of ultimate casualties. But, these are minor considerations, compared with getting Biden elected.

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    1. You’re right. Biden should stop supporting Israel.

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    2. Biden is not using Gaza politically. He is trying to obtain a cease-fire (with hostage release) in a needless war that is hurting primarily innocents trapped between two intransigent military groups. How does David expect that to happen if those brokering peace cannot talk to both Hamas and Israel?

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    3. @9:59 Israel and Gaza already had a cease-fire on Oct. 7, 2023. That didn't stop Hamas from making an unprovoked attack of incredible viciousness and barbarity. Israel obeyed the cease fire. Hamas was indeed intransigent. They broke the cease fire.

      How can Hamas be convinced to follow another cease fire? That's the challenge Israel is dealing with. Israel is hoping that an unconditional surrender will lead to a lasting cease fire. Biden's policy may be well-intentioned, but its impact will be another war when Hamas has had time to re-arm and attack Israel. Hamas and most of the Gaza residents are committed to Israel's destruction. Any real solution must deal with this reality.

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  2. Was Late Bronze Age culture built around war, as Somerby claims? Wikipedia says:

    "The Late Bronze Age collapse was a time of widespread societal collapse during the 12th century BCE associated with environmental change, mass migration, and the destruction of cities."

    If there are similarities, it may be in global climate change and associated mass migration, not the polarization Somerby blames. We have immigration, but the two major wars being fought (in Gaza and Ukraine) are not about climate or polarization. Both are the result of longstanding lust for land. Putin is trying to regain the lost Soviet Empire by expanding into Ukraine. The Palestinians have never stopped trying to push Israel out of the Middle East in order to take over Israeli land, aided by other arab nations.

    But Somerby sees the major conflict as between red and blue tribes, which is a political divide, not a war. He wishes to use war as a metaphor for politics, but sometimes seems to forget that it is just a metaphor and not an actual fight. I see nothing to be gained by comparing bloody war with political conflict and I wish Somerby would stop glamorizing war in general, with his references to idealized war in Homer's Iliad. The Civil War and subsequent wars have shown us all that war is tragic not romantic. When Somerby uses the Iliad here to promote conflict, he is doing something ugly and it is time for him to stop.

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    1. You're kind of at war with Somerby. Rage on, mighty Achilles! May Zeus make your daft verbal arrows fly true!

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    2. I eschew violence so I find it offensive when violent metaphors are applied to peaceful situations.

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    3. I find it offensive that you find it offensive. I propose a duel to settle our differences!

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    4. Be careful, because the one challeged chooses the weapons.

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  3. "these slights all involve disputes about sexual and marital relations between men and women, a general point of concern which lingers today, in various forms, in our own political war."

    How is this true in either Ukraine or Gaza? I just don't see it. It is as if Somerby is trying to shoehorn his theory into facts that bear no resemblance to Troy.

    Meanwhile, I see the main conflict between the right and the left over sex/gender/marital relations to be one of ignorance versus science, religion versus secular understanding, traditional exploitation versus social justice based on equality between the sexes and freedom and autonomy over one's own body. The main change agent in the past 120 years has been the ability to use advances in medicine to achieve reproductive freedom, and the knowledge that women are like men and have equivalent capacities especially in ability to think, create ideas, and participate in culture. This is what the right is resisting when Somerby vaguely refers to marital relations.

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  4. Somerby refers to the slights to honor in the Iliad. Men's honor not only fuels war but also gang conflicts, domestic violence, toxic masculinity and tyranny. It is nothing good, as even ancient Troy illustrates. As Somerby pointed out last week, it fuels the white supremacy and hate of Bronze Age Pervert and his ilk. And yet Somerby returns to it day after day after day, long after we are all sick of hearing him go on about it.

    Homer was living in a time that was not much different. He has no insights to give us about what happened 400 years earlier, and no insights that are useful now. Neither does Somerby, apparently. Somerby attempts to equate the treatment of women by Greeks and Trojans as similar to the treatment of women today, but there are huge differences that should be apparent even to Somerby. There is nothing to be gained by such a comparison. What a huge waste of words and space these essays have been!

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    1. Homer was a dork.

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    2. Homer may not have existed as a single author. It may be a pen name for several people.

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    3. Homer is a common name.

      https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homer_(name)

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  5. "Civilizations can die in our human wars. It happens all the time!"

    Somerby uses the present tense here. What civilization has died? Not Indian ones, they continue despite efforts to wipe them out in the USA. Most civilizations evolve into new ones, are subsumed and then influence invaders, but in order for a civilization to die, the people in it must all die too. When there are survivors, they carry their own culture forward to affect those around them, or as a seed to grow the new civilization (as occurred with Mexican and Mayan civilizations).

    If Somerby is hinting that our own civilization might die, how does he see that happening? The US has the dominant economy and culture in the world right now. Within the US, Trump and his red tribe are not going to prevail in our election and are a joke to their neighbors. That leaves the blue tribe as the preexisting and dominant influence on American people, despite the threat posed by an unhinged wannabe dictator aided by foreign enemies (Russia, Saudi Arabia). Our "civilization" is not dying. So where is the comparison? I just don't see it.

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    1. Somerby's moaning about dead civilizations furthers Trump's campaign message about American carnage, doom and gloom that can only be fixed by Trump (who cannot even solve his own personal problems). It doesn't have to be true, it just has to frighten people into voting for him.

      Why is Somerby attempting to further Trump's campaign messaging when Somerby claims to support Biden? He'll have to answer that himself (but don't hold your breath).

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    2. you're trying too hard. Somerby Derangement Syndrome will do that.

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    3. American Indians were a vast array of diverse civilizations with completely different languages, religions etc, rather than just one civilization, Most of them are totally extinct. There are thousands of civilizations that are gone forever with no trace whatsoever. I can list a few hundred of them for you if you would like.

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    4. And yet there are more people than ever before.

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    5. And yet there are more people than ever before? What is that supposed to mean?

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    6. If all those civilizations died out, the people would have died with them and yet there are so many people now. I suggested the civilizations evolved and merged but didn’t go extinct and you disagreed, so you need to explain how there are so many people if the civilizations went extinct.

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    7. Because there are more people than ever before proves civilizations didn’t "go extinct"?

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    8. Do you realize civilization refers to social, cultural, economic, and political structures, not people?

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    9. You don’t have civilization without people because people create civilization. You are talking about culture.

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    10. Civilizations are people, my friend.

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  6. Somerby strongly implies that the deaths in the American civil war were wasted. I doubt black Americans would agree. It was the war that ended slavery in the USA. It shouldn't have taken a war to end slavery, which any idiot child could see was morally wrong, but it did. But it was worth every single premature human death (those people would all be dead by now anyway, due to our limited human lifespan).

    As in WWII, some things are worth fighting and dying for. If Trump and his minions try to put women back in chains, they will discover it isn't going to be that easy. I expect that the Ukrainians are now teaching the same lesson, that freedom is important, to Russia.

    Freedom has nothing to do with honor (the motive for the Trojan war, according to Somerby), except that those with no honor try to rob others of their freedom.

    In this election, Democrats are on the side of freedom. Republicans are trying to impose on the freedom of minorities and women, to rob grown men and women of their right to vote, trying to use money to dominate and rule over others, and trying to impose their own religion on those of other faiths (or those who want secular government not theocracy). Republicans claim that their freedom is at stake too, but it is hard to see how that can be true when they are so busily banning books, telling people where to use the bathroom, interfering with education, and restricting what others can do.

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  7. From Rawstory:

    "Kansas Republicans have condemned a fundraiser Friday night where attendees paid to kick and beat an effigy of President Joe Biden, distancing themselves from extremists who have seized control of the party.

    The Biden-bashing antics were part of a Kansas GOP event in Johnson County, where rocker Ted Nugent and disgraced former Kansas Attorney General Phill Kline were the main attractions.

    A video posted by “MolonLabeTruth” to the far-right social media platform Rumble shows “highlights” from the event, which also included karate chops to blocks that read “Let’s Go, Brandon,” code for a profane insult of Biden. The video shows several people at the event attempting a roundhouse kick to a mannequin bust with a Biden mask and “Let’s Go, Brandon” T-shirt. Another woman is seen beating the president’s face with a foam bat."

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    Where is the honor in this Republican fundraiser? What did these people think they were doing?

    Somerby doesn't mention the increasing rift within the Republican party, as those with more honor recognize the depravity represented by Trump and his cronies and grifters and look around for an alternative. It isn't as simple as red versus blue any more. Does Somerby think Nikki Haley and Donald Trump represent the same things? Not in a million years.

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  8. Bob’s good friends and neighbors would like to blow the President’s head off so they can kill reconstruction.
    But seriously folks, Bob’s response to the political war we are engaged in is so superficial it barely qualifies as juvenile.

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