THURSDAY, JUNE 26, 2025
The remains of an earlier age: The Remains of the Day started out as an acclaimed 1989 novel. After that, it was turned into an acclaimed 1993 feature film.
We'll do a quick drive-by tomorrow. For today, we'll say this:
At one time, not long ago, yesterday's report in Mediaite might have seemed like an Onion parody.
That said, a parody of what? The conduct described in the report would have been extremely hard to imagine.
Even viewed as some sort of parody, the report would have been hard to process. Headline included, the report started off like this:
‘FIRE NATASHA!’ Trump Launches Scathing Attack on CNN Reporter, Demands She Be ‘Thrown Out Like a Dog’
President Donald Trump demanded that CNN fire Natasha Bertrand, the reporter responsible for a story about how a preliminary U.S. intelligence assessment suggested the American attack on three Iranian facilities did not destroy the country’s nuclear program, in a fiery Truth Social post demanding that she be “thrown out ‘like a dog'” on Wednesday.
There he'd gone again! The sitting president had told the world that CNN should fire one of its reporters.
She should be "thrown out," the president had said. More precisely, he had said that Natasha Bertrand should be thrown out "like a dog:"
Truth Details
Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump
Natasha Bertrand should be FIRED from CNN! I watched her for three days doing Fake News. She should be IMMEDIATELY reprimanded, and then thrown out “like a dog.” She lied on the Laptop from Hell Story, and now she lied on the Nuclear Sites Story, attempting to destroy our Patriot Pilots by making them look bad when, in fact, they did a GREAT job and hit “pay dirt”—TOTAL OBLITERATION! She should not be allowed to work at Fake News CNN. It’s people like her who destroyed the reputation of a once great Network. Her slant was so obviously negative, besides, she doesn’t have what it takes to be an on camera correspondent, not even close. FIRE NATASHA!
Is something wrong with this freaking guy? Of one thing we can all be certain:
As we'll show you below, Blue America's major news orgs will never be willing to ask that question. CNN included, they'll never be willing to go there!
Below, we'll reinforce that point. For now, let's simply say this:
That report in Mediaite wasn't a parody by the Onion, and it was perfectly accurate. The president had actually said those things, in one of his three million recent Truth Social posts.
There was a time, not long ago, when that report in Mediaite would have been impossible to believe. There would have been no way to imagine that a sitting president would have behaved that way.
That was then, but this is now—and, for better or worse, this is now routine behavior from the sitting president.
To his credit, he didn't say that Bertrand is "scum," or even that she's "a sick person." On at least this one occasion, he left those bombs undropped.
That said, is something wrong with President Trump? If the answer is yes, we regard that as a human tragedy, and we'll recommend that you should follow suit.
Is something wrong with President Trump? We thought it might be worth taking a look at the CNN report which had the president incensed—at the report which carried Bertrand's name, along with the names of two other reporters.
This was the report from CNN—the report which launched our failing nation's latest pseudo-discussion. The report strikes us as fair and nuanced. As you can see, this is the way it started:
Exclusive: Early US intel assessment suggests strikes on Iran did not destroy nuclear sites, sources say
By Natasha Bertrand, Katie Bo Lillis and Zachary Cohen, CNN
The US military strikes on three of Iran’s nuclear facilities last weekend did not destroy the core components of the country’s nuclear program and likely only set it back by months, according to an early US intelligence assessment that was described by seven people briefed on it.
The assessment, which has not been previously reported, was produced by the Defense Intelligence Agency, the Pentagon’s intelligence arm. It is based on a battle damage assessment conducted by US Central Command in the aftermath of the US strikes, one of the sources said.
The analysis of the damage to the sites and the impact of the strikes on Iran’s nuclear ambitions is ongoing, and could change as more intelligence becomes available. But the early findings are at odds with President Donald Trump’s repeated claims that the strikes “completely and totally obliterated” Iran’s nuclear enrichment facilities. Secretary of Defense Pete Hegseth also said on Sunday that Iran’s nuclear ambitions “have been obliterated.”
Two of the people familiar with the assessment said Iran’s stockpile of enriched uranium was not destroyed. One of the people said the centrifuges are largely “intact.” Another source said that the intelligence assessed enriched uranium was moved out of the sites prior to the US strikes.
“So the (DIA) assessment is that the US set them back maybe a few months, tops,” this person added.
The White House acknowledged the existence of the assessment but said they disagreed with it.
That's the way it started.
As you can see, Bertrand was listed as one of three (3) reporters. The president decided that she was the one who should be thrown out like a dog, though he didn't say that she's scum.
As for the report itself, we can't see what's supposed to be wrong with the work by The CNN 3. We say that for these reasons:
As early as paragraph 3, the reporters explicitly noted that the assessment in question "could change as more intelligence becomes available." They quickly noted that the White House (said it) disagreed with the assessment offered in the DIA's report.
For the record, CNN hadn't seen the report itself. They said they were relying on the kindness of (seven) strangers as they described its contents.
CNN could have noted that fact more explicitly. We'd call that a minor offense.
On the whole, the repot strikes us as journalistically competent but also as fundamentally fair. Along came a major official who may be a bit less balanced in his rage-filled reactions.
In his post, the president repeated the absurd claim that CNN's report constituted an attack on the American pilots who carried out last weekend's strike. At one point not long ago, it would have been hard to imagine a sitting president repeatedly making a remark so transparently dumb
Dumb as it was, the president said it again! He then moved on to his main idea—one of the three reporters should be fired "like a dog."
Is something wrong with President Trump? If so, we regard that as a human tragedy—but of one thing you can be certain:
For better or worse, Blue America's upper-end press will never be willing to center that fairly obvious question. This very morning, the New York Times has once again established that point.
We refer to the profile by Tyler Pager which appears in today's print editions. Headline included, the profile starts like this:
Online and IRL, Trump Offers a Window Into His Psyche
Over the course of three hours on Tuesday, President Trump scolded Israel and Iran with expletive-laced comments on the South Lawn of the White House. He told reporters he had just chastised the prime minister of Israel, and he shared a screenshot of a private text from the NATO secretary general on social media.
Most presidents deal with international crises in private—at most, they might release a carefully crafted statement.
That has never been Mr. Trump’s style. With this president, the entire world gets a view into his thoughts, gripes and whims in ways that are often reminiscent of a chronically online millennial. His posts come at all hours of the day and night—many self-congratulatory, some trivial, some angry—and his in-real-life appearances can sometimes echo his online persona.
All are windows into his psyche, a trove of insight into the intentions, moods and vulnerabilities of the commander in chief.
Pager started with a daring claim. The president's endless social media posts offer a window "into his psyche."
But as his report proceeds, Pager operates as sanitizer in chief, perhaps at the direction of his editors. He restricted himself to social media posts, moving beyond the furious behavior which often emerges in the president's public actions.
The president recent angry F-bomb was mentioned only in a sanitized way. The endless name-calling of the past few days went unmentioned altogether.
Is something wrong with the president—something signaled by his apparent rage and his apparently erratic behavior? Could something perhaps be wrong "with his psyche," as Pager seems to ask?
This morning, the New York Times pretends to ask even as it refuses to do so. The president's conduct is routinely normalized, but in this morning's pseudo-profile it's largely disappeared.
There was a time when that report in Mediaite would have been hard to imagine. As Americans, we're left with the remains of an earlier day when the president keeps going off—and when Blue America's major orgs insist on averting their gaze.
Last Saturday's attack? It's all over but the shouting! The discourse has been upended again. The major players remain.
Tomorrow: What the spokeswoman said
ReplyDelete"Is something wrong with this freaking guy?"
He seems alright. He does everything other presidents usual do, and more.
And you know what else, Bob: you don't need to read his social media posts. Normal people, who are not psychos, only follow those who they like, on social media. Capeesh?
And now it's my turn to ask questions, Bob: is something wrong with this freaking Natasha?
Why doesn’t Russia help Iran?
DeleteIt is helping Iran. It told Trump what to do, after Trump warned Russia (and indirectly Iran) about the bombing plans.
DeleteCapisce not Capeesh, unless you want to sound like a hick.
That’s one weakling helping another.
DeleteEvery accusation by a Democrat is a confession.
DeleteOther Presidents have never sharted themselves and fell asleep while being tried in court for their crimes.
DeleteAli Khamenei says Iran won.
ReplyDeleteIran did win. It moved its enriched uranium elsewhere ahead of the attack by a much stronger military opponent. Then it convinced Trump to declare a ceasefire imposed on Israel. And Iran gained the sympathy of the international community.
DeleteHear hear!
DeleteNow we know why Trump has no pets. He would treat them badly. We can see that clearly from the way he thinks Bertrand should be treated:
ReplyDelete"More precisely, he had said that Natasha Bertrand should be thrown out "like a dog:"
And thank you to Somerby for noticing the way Trump isolates and attacks the person he perceives to be the weakest among the three reporters, the woman. This is the behavior of a cowardly bully, not someone crazy or sociopathic. Someone who cannot tolerate dogs, the one creature who wants only to be a good dog. Trump is an asshole.
No one with half a brain would think his behavior is being sanitized by an article pointing out that he reveals himself with his social media posts. Look at what Trump actually reveals -- he can't tolerate dogs and he thinks the media should laud him, not tell the truth, even when he doesn't deserve it.
I don’t like dogs.
DeleteAren't you the good decent sociopath? Sociopaths only like themselves.
Delete"They are eating the dogs"
DeleteEvery Republican accusation is a confession/projection.
Remember when Trump called Rosie O'Donnell a dog? It is the worst thing he can call someone, because he doesn't like dogs (or women). A man who treats women badly usually fears women and hates his mother. Freud might wonder why Trump wants people to behave like servile dogs, loyal and eager to please, while disliking them. I suspect he is also afraid of dogs.
ReplyDeletehttps://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/30/us/politics/trump-threatens-protesters-dogs-weapons.html
Democrats joining the Ayatollah to advance anti-Jew propaganda and electing a Jew-hater mayor of NYC. This is not how it starts, it's how it looks 2/3 of the way there.
ReplyDeleteIt is the natural progression from Hussein Obama! We will soon be a Muslim caliphate! Ain't winning grand!!!
DeleteIt is wrong to demonize someone by calling him a Jew-hater based on heritage or religion, without any evidence he holds negative feelings or beliefs about Jews. That would be like calling every long-time Nebraska resident an Indian-hater and someone from Alabama a hater of black people and slave-seeking Confederate lover or every Christian a Jew-hater because of what happened to Christ in the Bible. This comment is bigotry against the ELECTED Democratic nominee for Mayor of New York.
DeleteI doubt this troll has anything against the candidate. He appears to be just trying to drive a wedge among Democrats using hatred, which is what Republicans do (and it works with their voters).
Bob does it again. Trump criticizes an adversary in crude, exaggerated terms. Bob again claims that makes Trump crazy. Give me a break.
ReplyDeleteIt is crazy. Certainly, if something like that were to happen in a workplace, the person would be fired on the spot. Not to overstate the painfully obvious, but normal people -- meaning people not experiencing psychological and possibly neurological damage due to old-age deterioration -- do not behave this way.
DeletePeople who don't see that are also exhibiting alarming symptoms of those who are caught in a cult.
Ilya - you should rephrase that without using loaded language. It would be 100x more effective. Give it a shot!
DeleteShorter 1:14 - stop using bigly words dude.
DeleteI saw this play out at a place where I worked. The General Manager unloaded using profanity at a worker. Several of the bystanders immediately quit their jobs, saying "I won't work in a place where people are treated this way." This was a computer company. This use of profanity and attacking people is not normal.
DeleteI would have quit the moment someone threw a hamburger with ketchup at the wall in my presence.
If @1:14 needs this rephrased to pay attention to it, it is his problem not Ilya's.
DeleteShorter 1:33 - ?
DeleteDavid does it again. Trump criticizes an adversary in crude, exaggerated terms. David again claims that makes Trump great again. Give me a break.
DeleteWhat "loaded language"?
DeleteTrump is in a difficult place. On the one hand he has chosen to be more visible than any other president in recent history, especially when including social media where he particularly likes to spout off in the early AM. On the other, his history as the most prolific liar in the history of the presidency places him constantly at odds with the media that covers him. Calling reporters scum at press briefings only reinforces that this is an angry old man who cannot control himself.
Delete“Not to overstate the painfully obvious…” implies disagreement is irrational.
Delete“Normal people do not behave this way” frames disagreement as abnormal.
“People who don't see that are also exhibiting alarming symptoms…” suggests disagreeing is a sign of cognitive or psychological failure.
“…caught in a cult.” delegitimizes opposing viewpoints without evidence.
etc. there's much better ways to phrase your thoughts by sticking to the facts and being respectful. Loaded, manipulative framing like this only shuts down dialogue, completely terminating any valid points you may have.
Not today, Jew and Trump haters.
ReplyDeleteCentrifuges at the Fordo uranium enrichment plant in Iran are “no longer operational” after the United States attacked the facility with bunker-busting bombs, Rafael Grossi, the director general of the International Atomic Energy Agency, said on French radio on Thursday.
This would be true even if there had been no bombing but Iran had simply moved the uranium elsewhere.
Delete"Even if you think those talks would have failed due to Iranian intransigence, it is hard to imagine anything more damaging to the future of nuclear diplomacy than a nuclear-armed country using purposeful misdirection to leave an NPT [Non-Proliferation Treaty] signatory defenseless against a sneak attack and targeting negotiators. Why would any country considering building these weapons ever trust the United States again? Why would they put their faith in the procedures of the NPT if they can simply be discarded by the world's military hegemon whenever it likes?" -- Prof. David Faris It ain't about hating, it is about being effective. Trump and his schmucks are not effective often in the short term, almost always long term.
DeleteNow, we have even more proof that the strike was successful.
ReplyDeleteRafael Grossi, head of the United Nations’ own nuclear watchdog, put the final nail in the coffin of this media myth. “I think the Iranian nuclear program has been set back significantly, significantly," he said bluntly.
Speaking to Fox News on Tuesday, Grossi elaborated, saying there was “one Iran — before June 13, nuclear Iran — and one now." The difference, he said, was “night and day.”
https://pjmedia.com/matt-margolis/2025/06/26/the-legacy-medias-bogus-iran-narrative-just-got-nuked-n4941186
VIENNA, June 25 (Reuters) - There is a chance that much of Iran's highly enriched uranium survived Israeli and U.S. attacks because it may have been moved by Tehran soon after the first strikes, U.N. nuclear watchdog chief Rafael Grossi said on Wednesday.
DeleteFrom Reuters.
There's no barrier to ignoring all contrary opinions to the approved narrative.
Iran has submitted a formal complaint to the United Nations Secretary-General and the President of the Security Council against the head of the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA), Rafael Grossi, accusing him of bias and negligence amid rising tensions over Iran’s nuclear programme.
DeleteThe move, reported by Iran’s semi-official Fars News Agency, comes as Tehran intensifies criticism of the nuclear watchdog’s handling of what it describes as “peaceful nuclear activities,” alongside Grossi’s alleged silence over Israeli strikes on Iranian nuclear sites.
So David the US military has been refining bunker busters in testing for decades. We know they have limitations on their effectiveness/abilities. Also, how deep is safe. Whether the bombs dropped by the felon worked or not, all our adversaries now know their capabilities and limitations. And guess what?, they are very limited in their effectiveness. Mission accomplished.
DeleteApparently, the US has now given Iran a basis for complaining about the UN agency that would be responsible for inspections and monitoring if Obama's treaty were still in effect.
DeleteNone of this would have happened if Trump hadn't torn up the Obama deal, which wasn't perfect but was effective.
DeleteWhile the US intelligence services have ways of determining if the strikes were successful, the IAEA, and specifically Grossi, no longer have any way to confirm the success of the bombings.
DeleteThe US says the bombings were not successful, that stands as the most accurate analysis, along with publicly available pictures that show the bombing was a failure.
"Early intelligence suggests Iran’s uranium largely intact, European officials say"
Deletehttps://www.ft.com/content/0808eeb8-341c-4a4e-8ccf-0db07febef91
@1:24 - you raise some good questions. Most of them were answered by Pete Hegseth and Gen. Caine n their press conference this morning. I suggest you find this conference on YouTube and listen to it. It's eye-opening and informative.
DeleteD in C, remember when Bush on the aircraft carrier claimed, "mission accomplished." This goes for everyone, not just you - we'll find out more s time goes on - although perhaps not everything.
DeleteCheck your wallet when a reporter tells you unnamed intelligence officials say an unnamed report that they have not even seen "suggests" something. That signals that powerful Defense/CIA operatives want to move the news cycle and manipulate you. Don't make such a report a foundation for any kind of firm belief and watch for your own confirmation biases as they may be the primary reason for the leak. I disagree with Bob about that particular report being a minor journalistic offense as you can look in these comments here and see some excitable commenters came right away to report the "suggestion" as stone cold fact. And that was probably the intention of the leakers.
ReplyDeleteAlways look out for the propaganda hedging terms:
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"Always look out for the propaganda hedging terms:"
DeleteI have the impression that this is in the past. Yes, they used to try to avoid telling straightforward lies, so they would insert "may have", "likely" and such. But nowadays they just make up shit and publish it, 1984-style.
You see it all the time, especially from leaks from our unelected fourth branch of government, the CIA/Defense Department.
DeleteTrump ran the CIA/Defense Dept. for four years four years ago and has replaced all the leadership recently. Just what the hell you bitching about clown?
DeleteThere is a likely probability suggesting that you appear to be in a cult.
Delete"Trump ran the CIA/Defense Dept. for four years four years ago"
DeleteLol.
Don't you remember when Trump got a bunch of CIA agents killed with his big mouth.
DeleteI agree 1:24, the Felon can't effectively manage a fucking thing.
Delete@1:34 That was on day one of his first term, wasn't it?
DeleteTrump doesn't know what the fuck he is doing.
Delete"As we'll show you below, Blue America's major news orgs will never be willing to ask that question. CNN included, they'll never be willing to go there!"
ReplyDeleteGood grief! Get a grip.
Bertrand was the queen of Russiagate. You can read this critique of her reporting here:
ReplyDeletehttps://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/02/28/how-politicos-natasha-bertrand-bootstrapped-dossier-credulity-into-tv-gig/
Wemple accuses Bertrand of taking speculative information from anonymous sources or reports filled with hedging language, and presenting it on cable news in ways that make it sound far more credible and certain than it actually is. (with tone or context that implies certainty.)
This gets the rubes to think of CIA speculation as fact which is bad enough but it also straps them with a political liability that will be used against them later.
The reason why this is important is because it erodes the public trust in the media. But for partisans, it gives Trump power to accurately criticize the media and diminishes their credibility when an important factual story about him may come along.
"...when an important factual story about him may come along."
DeleteScummy journos can't produce a factual story. This is not what they do; it's not what Natasha Bertrand does.
Now, if he was indeed thrown out like a dog, then there would be hope for CNN. Until that time, no.
Why would anyone think of CIA speculation as fact if she was using hedging language? Most people learn to maintain skepticism when they encounter hedging language. Seems to me she did her job by putting those hedges in there for people to notice.
DeleteTrump doesn't need actual reasons to criticize CNN. It is enough that he dislikes what they are saying about him, regardless of the truth of those statements. Trump does not deal in truth (his own or anyone else's). He deals in self-aggrandizement and only cares whether a piece puffs him up or deflates him.
Look at what really happened. Bertrand’s reporting contributed to a widely held belief that major parts of the Steele dossier were verified - and they were not. People *did not* maintain skepticism when they encountered hedging language.
DeleteYou are a little bit naive about how public perception actually works. Most people do not form opinions based on critical reasoning. They respond to emotional appeals, repeated narratives and authoritative presentations.
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Even if the bombs totally destroyed everything (they can't) the Iranians now know exactly how to build ventilation shafts and how deep in the mountain to dig a hole. Mission accomplished.
DeleteRussiagate was disinformation packaged by Putin. It of course had some credible stuff, some complete BS, and some stuff in between. Making it perfect for reactionaries to react. Trump is still a lifelong fraudster and convicted felon no matter what Russiagate says.
Delete"LONDON (AP) — Former U.S. President Donald Trump has been ordered to pay a six-figure legal bill to a company founded by a former British spy that he unsuccessfully sued for making what his lawyer called “shocking and scandalous” false claims that harmed his reputation.
DeleteA London judge, who threw out the case against Orbis Business Intelligence last month saying it was “bound to fail,” ordered Trump to pay legal fees of 300,000 pounds ($382,000), according to court documents released Thursday.
Orbis was founded by Christopher Steele, who once ran the Russia desk for Britain’s Secret Intelligence Service, also known as MI6.
The British court case was one of few in which Trump, who is almost sure to win the 2024 Republican presidential nomination, was not a defendant as he faces massive legal problems back home."
There was no substance to Trump's claim that the Steele dossier was libelous and contained disinformation.
There is evidence it contained disinformation. There is no evidence it was planted maliciously.
DeleteThere is evidence it contained substantiated information. There is evidence it was originally commissioned as opposition research by one of the competitors to Trump for the Republican nomination. It was then taken over by the DNC and provided to Hillary Clinton who ran against Trump. She did not create the information or commission the dossier, so there is no evidence she would have planted anything in it, much less maliciously. It is unclear whether that is true of the Republican who originally commissioned the dosser, although Steele's reputation and skills and prior background with MI-6 suggest he would not have provided unreliable information in the first place.
Deletedisinformation definition: "false information which is intended to mislead, especially propaganda issued by a government organization to a rival power or the media"
When @1:53 says there is no evidence of malicious intent, they also rule out calling the info "disinformation" because intention to mislead IS malicious intent.
Wemple's critique is not focused on how the disinformation got into the dossier. His critique is about how Bertrand reported on it.
Delete"There is evidence it was originally commissioned as opposition research by one of the competitors to Trump for the Republican nomination."
DeleteActually, there is no evidence of that. Although it was originally reported that way. It was commissioned and paid for by the Clinton campaign.
2:23 - you're basically totally wrong about almost everything you've said there.
DeleteThe Clinton campaign was fine for commissioning the Steele dossier:
https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-2022-midterm-elections-business-elections-presidential-elections-5468774d18e8c46f81b55e9260b13e93?utm_source=chatgpt.com
The disconnect is that the Clinton campaign took over the contract that one of Trump's opponents, I guess if you can call it that, a small Washington Newspaper, had with Fusion GPS.
DeleteThey helped orchestrate the Steele dossier which completely and totally originated from the Clinton campaign after they had taken over that contract.
Not that there's anything wrong with it!
Clinton was fined for not reporting the money she paid to Orbis to take over the report comissioned by someone else. It was paid for by Clinton but not commissioned by her or the DNC. What you choose to believe about this perhaps depends on your politics.
Delete"Hillary Clinton has acknowledged that her presidential campaign, through a law firm, hired Fusion GPS, a research firm, to conduct opposition research on Donald Trump. Fusion GPS, in turn, hired Christopher Steele, a former British intelligence officer, to compile the Steele dossier. She has stated that she was unaware of Steele's specific findings until after the 2016 election. The Washington Post has reported. "
DeleteOn the other hand who is fuck cares? We all have seem the felon cow tow to Putin. We all know Russia has been at war with the west since at least 2014. We all know Trump is aligned with Putin. The dossier means nothing at this stage.
DeleteThen there is this:
Delete"The Washington Free Beacon, a conservative site based in Washington, D.C., confirmed that it hired the firm Fusion GPS to unearth damaging information about President Donald Trump in the run-up to the election. GOP donor and billionaire Paul Singer is one of the site’s key backers. "
"HARI SREENIVASAN:
The secret funder of a once secret dossier of opposition research on Donald Trump has been unmasked. The dossier, produced during last year's presidential campaign, purported to document possible connections between Russians and Trump Organization business or the Trump campaign.
The Washington firm Fusion GPS had been hired to produce the dossier during the Republican primary season, and it eventually assigned the task to a British former intelligence officer named Christopher Steele. That's all been known for months.
Now, we know who originally hired Fusion GPS. The chairman and the editor of the conservative website Washington Free Beacon confirm they did so for information on "multiple Republican candidates."
At the same time, Free Beacon denied paying for the Steele dossier or having any contact with him. Free Beacon said its research ended before Steele began his work.
A key financial backer of Free Beacon is Paul Singer, a billionaire New York investor who is among the country's most active Republican donors. Since 2012, Singer has given more than 40 million dollars to Republican and conservative candidates for federal office, according to the Center for Responsive Politics. Recipients included Jeb Bush and Marco Rubio, who competed with Trump for the Republican nomination.
Earlier this week, another Washington law firm, Perkins Coie, which represented the Hillary Clinton campaign and the Democratic National Committee, said it continued to pay Steele for his work after Trump secured the nomination. The Steele dossier, published after the campaign by Buzzfeed, contained salacious and unverified information about Mister Trump and his 2013 visit to Moscow."
That is factually wrong. It was commissioned by the law firm the Clinton campaign hired, Perkins Coie. These were all settled facts years ago. And it's not important. The criticism is of how Bertrand reported it.
Deletehttps://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/clinton-campaign-dnc-paid-for-research-that-led-to-russia-dossier/2017/10/24/226fabf0-b8e4-11e7-a908-a3470754bbb9_story.html
But it is interesting to see the effects of propaganda and bad reporting that someone would actually make a claim that "There is evidence it was originally commissioned as opposition research by one of the competitors to Trump for the Republican nomination" all these years later after the matter has been publicly settled and shows that to be false.
Shreenivasen doesn't say anything about the Steele dossier. Again, this was settled years and years ago. The Clinton campaign hired their law firm to create the dossier. That is beyond dispute. It is interesting to see the effects of propaganda and bad information still affecting the way people think.
DeleteThis is what happened:
DeleteThe Clinton campaign hired Perkins Coie, which then hired Fusion GPS, a research and intelligence firm, to conduct opposition research on Republican candidate Donald Trump’s ties to Russia.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/mar/31/hillary-clinton-democrats-steele-dossier-settle-electoral-case
There's nothing wrong or illegal about it!
Much of the Steele dossier has been largely confirmed.
DeleteSure, we do not know if there is a pee tape, but that was a trivial part of the report.
Trump's first wife was the daughter of a KGB asset, Trump's marriage to Ivana was likely the start of Trump being an "useful idiot" style asset to Russia, which later morphed into Trump becoming Putin's puppet.
During his marriage to Ivana, Trump got hair implants but it was botched and when he was mocked about it by Ivana, Trump raped her as revenge..
Ivana later died under suspicious circumstances, "falling" down stairs, although the cause of death was "blunt impact injuries to the torso".
Trump then buried his first wife in an unkempt back area of his golf course, in order to receive a tax break.
True, Trump is a "felon", though I believe he appealed the decision, and it could be reversed, But the case against him was a bogus Rube Goldberg style concoction that never should have been prosecuted.
Delete"“the intelligence was very inconclusive. the intelligence says we don’t know. it could have been very severe. that’s what the intelligence says. so I guess that’s correct. but I think we can take that we don’t know. it was very severe. it was obliteration.”
ReplyDeleteoh, awesome. the family of raccoons chewing through the wires in Donny’s head stopped gnawing long enough for Donny to meet reality halfway and mutter something about the intel being ‘inconclusive’ — but not ten seconds later he’s convinced himself that ‘inconclusive’ and ‘obliteration’ are the same thing.
incoherent much, bro? Donny then goes on to whine that the media isn’t throwing flowers and hailing him as a great liberator."
This entire operation has only been about Trump seeking the Nobel Peace Prize. Trump pretty obviously has colluded with Iran and Putin to create circumstances where he might plausibly be given such a prize. Step 2 would be to pressure the committee. I have no idea how susceptible to manipulation they would be, especially coming from the President in the form of tariffs or other power moves on Norway itself.
How pathetic is it that Trump would want an award he hadn't earned. But then, he does cheat at golf in order to "win" those club championships and he hung a fake photo of himself on the cover of Time magazine on his wall. If Barron gave Trump a mug that said "World's Greatest Dad" he would think it was genuine.
https://www.jefftiedrich.com/p/wait-did-preznit-shitwit-tell-iran
DeleteHere is an interesting article on a theme that Somerby was discussing during Trump's first term but has abandoned recently.
ReplyDeletehttps://theconversation.com/self-censorship-and-the-spiral-of-silence-why-americans-are-less-likely-to-publicly-voice-their-opinions-on-political-issues-251979
As silly as the discussion here often are, this is a place where there are commenters with different views expressing their ideas and testing them against the reactions of others who are not like-minded. That is valuable, even when Somerby has said something vague or tiresome (about Homer or Wittgenstein). That makes this blog worthwhile, even if it is not Somerby's intention (although it may be).
It is highly unlikely Somerby is doing some kind of stress test/playing Devil's advocate for better discourse.
DeleteConsidering the context, it is more likely Somerby is a right winger that is bitter at having tried to have some influence in public discourse and failed, as well as the possibility that Somerby is getting paid to push an anti Dem agenda, like it has been revealed for many other content creators.
Why is there a quarrel about the extent of the damage from the US bombing in Israel? Basically, because Trump is an insecure bully.
ReplyDeleteReview: Trump wavered on sending US bombers to aid Israel in its attacks on Iran. After watching the Israeli air force demolish Iranian defenses, he decided it was worth the risk.
The bombers flew and the crews completed their assignments.
Before the dust settled on the targets, Trump was on social media and TV declaring that Iran's "nuclear program" (which may or may not have existed) was "completely and totally obliterated."
Could he possibly have known at that early moment whether this was true, or was it just his customary bluster? I don't know. Neither do you. Nor does anyone else on the American continent. Somewhere, deep inside an Iranian mountain, maybe a few scientists and military officers could tell you.
From that moment forward, any analysis of the mission that didn't declare it a "complete and total" success sent Trump into a frothing attack on the sources of the report and those who reported it in the news.
Of course reporters went looking for sources to tell them how much damage the bombs caused. They know Trump isn't a reliable source of information. They found not just one, but a handful of people who had been briefed on one specific DOD analysis. They reported what they learned from those people instead of just parroting Trump's grand claims. That's what reporters do.
For Trump, though, this was an affront, a challenge to his authority and his Historic Greatness. So now he and his defense secretary are on the defensive, calling reporters and their employers nasty names.
In a Truth Social post this morning, Trump embellished his story again. Now the Iranians weren't just trying to enrich uranium or build a nuclear weapon--they were weeks away from building the biggest, most powerful nuclear weapon the world has ever seen!
TL,DR: Trump routinely says crazy things. When he's challenged on it, he loses his mind.
Hear, hear!
Delete"Could he possibly have known at that early moment whether this was true, or was it just his customary bluster? I don't know. Neither do you. "
DeleteWe do know this. Trump never reads anything. How could he know what happened without reading a report (even one with pictures)? That means he couldn't know and we can be sure he didn't know.
they were weeks away from building the biggest, most powerful nuclear weapon the world has ever seen!
DeleteYou're not talking about the Doomsday machine, are you! Oh! My! God!
If detonated, the Iranian nuke would have rivaled our own sun in radioactive output.
Delete"White House Press Secretary Karoline Leavitt launched an over-the-top diatribe aimed at CNN reporter Natasha Bertrand."
ReplyDeleteIf you attack the messenger, it distracts attention away from the message itself (about Trump's lack of obliteration).
Somerby is ever willing to pile-on when Trump attacks some press messenger or Democrat, as long as it isn't one of Trump's spokespeople.
Is something wrong with this freaking guy?
ReplyDeleteObviously, this is a rhetorical question. This is what happens when a petulant, vituperative, thin-skinned, narcissist transitions from the small stage of his reality show, which is bounded by contracts and legal rules, to a much larger stage where he is no longer constrained by...well, anything.
Trump hasn't changed much, although, perhaps, age-related deterioration is more pronounced, but there are no guardrails. Certainly, it would be gratifying -- and maybe even marginally useful -- to see this analysis in the press.
On the other hand, as I keep on pointing out, this is out there for everyone to see. My teenage boys are horrified and dismayed and don't understand how anyone can behave this way. It's not because I told them to hate Trump. It's because Trump is a horror show, as any non-cult member should be able to see.
Ilya, your passage actually contains many hallmarks of cult-like behavior: Us and Them thinking, derogation of outsiders, moral certainty, appeals to emotion over evidence and of course the big daddy of them all, projection!
DeleteI'm not saying you're in a cult, it's just kind of interesting.
And yet Ilya is right! Go figure!
DeleteIlya is in the cult supporting truth, justice, and the American way. Shame on him. It's kind of interesting.
DeleteAnon@3:01 -- Let me see if I understand you. There's a set of people who think that Trump has been sent by god; they wear MAGA hats and chant how much they love him; people who admire his unparalleled brilliance. Because I am not one of those people, I belong to a cult?
DeleteBy the way, originally TDS was used to refer to the people I mention above. Rightfully so.
My passage contains harsh criticism. Most of it is obvious and well-founded. Thin-skinned? Check. Vituperative? Check. Petulant? Check.
Not belonging to a cult of Trump admirers doesn't put into a cult.
It's an old canard to claim that absence of religious belief, atheism, is a religion. Likewise here, being able to see Trump's ugliness doesn't put me into a cult.
Sure! Let’s clarify. No one said you're in a cult. The point was that some of the rhetorical techniques in your post and this response (moral absolutism, vilification of outsiders, etc,) resemble tactics used in cults to enforce group identity and silence dissent.
DeleteThat doesn’t mean your criticism of Trump is invalid. It means how you argue can matter as much as what you argue. If we want to make accusations of cultic behavior, we need to model open dialogue, humility, and fair reasoning instead of inverting cultic zealotry.
If you ain't talking in tongues what kind of nutcase Trump cult crony are you?
DeleteAnon@4:33 -- I appreciate your critique of my post. My comment mainly focused on evaluation of Trump and his behavior. There's only one statement at the very end that alludes to "cult members".
DeleteI will say this, which puts me at odds with a lot of my left-wing brethren: most people who voted for Trump are neither horrible people nor are they members of the Trump cult. With that said, there are many indications that Trump cult does, in fact, exist. Trump himself demands a level of fealty that is cult-like in nature.
Again, I don't see how what I posted speaks of "projection".
" It means how you argue can matter as much as what you argue." If that were the case, politely espousing garbage would be acceptable, and it may be, in your opinion. But it is not. DiC politely posting misinformation does not score points here, or equate with any intemperance you may judge subjectively to be criticized in I Lou's comments.
DeleteIt accuses others of being in a cult while displaying behaviors typically associated with cult like rhetoric, which is classic projection.
DeleteI know what projection means in psychology. I just don't see how one can discern from my post that I am in a cult. Yeah, I think Trump is worthless ill-tempered, conman, grifter, a liar, and other things. Does this mean that I am in a cult? I can back it up. Cultists, on the other hand, ignore all evidence to the contrary, while professing their fealty to a particular individual.
DeleteYes, DiC -- and I give him points for being polite -- but he posts gibberish, as Anon@6:07 points out.
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