FRIDAY, SEPTEMBER 12, 2025
It was a dangerous word: At this site, we're inclined to cut some slack for people who are fated to comment, in real time, on some shocking public event.
In the current instance, we'd extend that courtesy to the Fox News Channel's Jesse Watters. On Wednesday, he authored the most ill-advised instant reaction to the announcement of the late Charlie Kirk's death.
Perhaps because of that mishap, Watters was absent from Fox last night. On The Five, he was replaced by Brian Kilmeade. Three hours later, he was absent from his own program, Jesse Watters Primetime, with Kayleigh McEnany sitting in as guest anchor.
Maybe he felt he needed to take some time to recover from Wednesday's shocking event. Maybe his bosses made some such decision. At any rate:
On Wednesday's edition of The Five, it fell to Watters to offer comment in the immediate aftermath of the news that Kirk had lost his life. His commentary was perhaps unwise, but we think it was also instructive.
Below, you see part of what Watters said. (We join his remarks in progress.) We'll suggest that you pay special attention to his insistent, repeated use of a dangerous four-letter word:
WATTERS (9/10/25): ...We’re sick, we’re sad, we’re angry, and we’re resolute, and we’re going to avenge Charlie’s death in the way Charlie would want it to be avenged. He was such a beautiful boy, he was an American boy, and he was incredibly positive, he was full of energy, and life, and he made politics fun.
[...]
As Greg [Gutfeld] said, this hits differently, because Charlie was one of us. And Trump gets hit in the ear; Charlie gets shot dead.
They came after Kavanaugh with a rifle to his neighborhood. They went after Musk’s cars. They just shot two Jews outside the embassy.
Think about it! Scalise got shot, barely survived. It’s happening. We've got trans shooters. We've got riots in LA.
They are at war with us! Whether we want to accept it or not, they are at war with us! And what are we gonna do about it? How much political violence are we going to tolerate? And that’s the question we’re just gonna have to ask ourselves...
The gentleman continued from there, in a way which might sound vaguely threatening, or then again possibly not. To see video of Watters' full presentation, you can click here for Mediaite's report.
(For today, we're omitting one of the most striking parts of what Watters said—the part where he insistently said, two separate times, that Charlie Kirk, the "beautiful American boy," wasn't controversial. Is it possible that Watters really believes that? Does he know what the key word there means?)
We expect to review what Watters said in more detail next week. We don't think that this is the time—but for today, we will report this:
Again and again, Watters turned to a dangerous four-letter word—the dangerous four-letter word "they." It's paired in his presentation with the words "we" and "us"—two other dangerous words.
Alas, poor Macbeth! Within the annals of human history, the use of those words has "lighted [us humans] the way to dusty [societal] death." Here's the way that works:
To Watters, it wasn't one disordered person who appear in Justice Kavanaugh's neighborhood. According to Watters, some undefined "they" did that!
According to the D.C. police, it was Elias Rodriguez, a 30-year-old Chicago man, who shot and killed two innocent people outside the Capital Jewish Museum. But according to Watters, it wasn't that one person at all! "They" are the ones who did that!
They they they they they they they, he said again and again. Within the corporate logic of the Fox News Channel, this presentation was drawn from a familiar playbook. To wit:
If one liberal or progressive commits some inappropriate act, it means that every liberal did it! It means that everyone in the Democrat [sic] Party did it!
Also, similar acts by disordered people on the political or cultural right will, as if by rule of law, go completely unmentioned. Such actions must be disappeared.
They shot Trump, and they shot Kirk. Forced to react on the spur of the moment, Watters instantly turned to this ancient construction. It led him to expose his foundational belief:
They are now at war with us! What are we going to do about it?
At this point, let's be fair. It fell to Watters to react on the spot to the news of Kirk's death. Given time to compose himself, he might have said something different.
Given time to compose himself, he might have said something different—but then again, he probably would have done no such thing! The resort to the all-encompassing "they" is one of the most basic tools in the Fox News Channel tool box.
In our view, Watters belongs on a "cable news" program the way a fish belongs on a bicycle. We don't mean that as an insult. He might be well suited for something else, perhaps in the comedy.
That said, he's the most watched performer at the Fox News Channel when his daily spot on The Five is joined to his own nightly program. They they they they they, he now said. Some unspecified group known as "they" is now at war with "us!"
Long ago and far away, John Edwards ran for the Democratic presidential nomination. He ran on the theme of "the two Americas."
Even then, there were more than two. Yesterday, we watched tape of the full hour of Wednesday evening's edition of The Five. We were struck by the way the four pro-MAGA performers on that show seem to live inside their own self-contained tribal world.
By now, there are quite a few Americas out there. On Wednesday, "Kennedy" and Watters and Perino and Gutfeld seemed to be hiding in one.
In that world, the late Charlie Kirk was "a beautiful American boy" who wasn't even controversial! More on that will come next week. Today still isn't the time.
Final point:
We feel sure that Brother Jesse could do much better than this. But if he did, would the Fox News Channel still be willing to pay him?
Where did that messaging come from? In yesterday's report, we discussed the peculiar messaging which seemed to be taking hold on CNN and the Fox News Channel as of Wednesday night.
Based on evidence which seemed quite flimsy, we quoted three different law enforcement specialists, including CNN's John Miller, saying that the murder of Charlie Kirk seemed to be the work of "a professional"—someone who wasn't an "amateur."
We had forgotten a peculiar fact—that messaging seemed to start with Greg Gutfeld himself! Without any attempt at explanation, he floated the idea two separate times on Wednesday's edition of The Five.
First, he floated the notion at 5:44. To see him do that, click here. He went there again at 5:52. To see that instance, click this.
By now, with the suspect under arrest, it seems abundantly clear that the presumed assailant was not a professional—not even in the slightest. Where in the world—where on earth—did that strange messaging come from?
Where did that very strange messaging come from? We'll try to tell you next week.
Tomorrow: Governor Cox
The suspect now in custody isn't a professional killer. Early reports of his social media posts say he was deeply experienced in the use of firearms.
ReplyDeleteHe sure wasn't a professional, otherwise he wouldn't have blabbed about it. Rule one of the professional killer club: do not talk about your hits.
DeleteHow did Ilya find out about our rules?
DeleteThe shooter had a professional father (27 years in law enforcement) who taught him to use guns.
ReplyDeleteKash Patel demonstrated the lack of professionalism of the FBI. This shooter stumbled into FBI radar because his relatives turned him in, not via police work.
ReplyDeleteDumb comment.
DeleteHappened to catch Governor Cox' remarks on NPR today. He does not sound like he belongs in GOP. He actually eschewed blaming the left and calling for their extermination. His days in the Republican party are numbered.
ReplyDeleteMormons mostly don’t support Trump. They tend to live their faith and respect family values. Not MAGA.
DeleteMaybe they need to start their own party -- let's call it MAGA: Mormons Are Great Again.
DeleteThis shooting has nothing to do with Mormons.
DeleteNo one said it did. I only poster that Governor Cox sounded sensible. Not that hard to understand.
Delete@12:37 I hope you're not one of the Nonny Mooses who have spent the last two days shouting about how the shooter was obviously a leftist.
DeleteQIB - I heard from very reliable sources, and from several posters on this here blog, that the shooter wrote the trans agenda on the bullet casings. So these fools will keep on with their silly hatful postings about nothing that effects them, but their hate, as intended, will continue to hurt others. This countries Democracy so over. Somewhat ironic as unrecognized by the right, the deep state has won.
DeleteThis shooting has nothing to do with Mormons other than the fact that the shooters family is Mormon. Why are people so fucking weird?
Delete"So these fools will keep on with their silly hatful postings about nothing that effects them, '
DeleteWhat is hateful about it? That's what news reports were reporting based on law enforcement sources. May it be that you are possibly projecting just a tiny bit?
Yo, the Deep State won when the Warren Commission report came out. If not long before that. It's vanity to think that it happened under your watch and not before.
DeleteThe Deep State got us into war, allied with international communism against the Nazis.
DeleteWas that a bad thing?
DeleteThe modus operandi is this: Liberals, including mainstream liberals, repeatedly call conservatives fascists, Nazis, Hitler. Then a disturbed liberal thinks it would be a good deed to murder another Hitler.
ReplyDeleteEveryone who called Trump a fascist is part of “they”. So is everyone who half-jokingly called for Trump's death. I beg all of you people to stop inciting disturbed potential murderers.
That isn’t what happened in this case and isn’t statistically true. It is the right wing line for attacking liberals.
DeleteMaybe Trump needs to stop acting like a fascist then, eh?
DeleteIn all likelihood, this kid is a disturbed conservative. What will your explanation be then? I forget: what was your explanation for the MAGA guy in MN who assassinated two people?
Somerby’s “they” diatribe is advancing that right wing talking point.
DeleteIronically, David, one of your species, a MAGA blowhard posted something likening Kirk assassination the Reichstag fire, and implying that a crackdown on Democrats is needed, thus suggesting that Hitler's response was appropriate. Yep, that's your kind of people.
DeleteBut perfectly fine, I suppose, DiC, for Trump to call liberals “vermin”, transgender people violent psychopaths, or for Kirk to call for the stoning of gay people.
DeleteIlya - For people my age, fascism is no joke. Nazis murdered my relatives. Fascists jailed and murdered politics enemies. They ruled as tyrants.
DeleteYou know that Trump is not really anything like Hitler. No doubt it’s fun to pretend that by opposing Republicans you’re saving the world from another Republican Hitler. But that game is killing people. It’s time for it to stop.
David: I notice you neglect to mention a PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES who regularly refers to all Democrats and liberals as "radical far left lunatics who hat our country."
DeleteThat's not part of the problem?
He refers to protesters as criminals and criminals as animals. But no, that's not a problem, is it? He calls asylum seekers rapists and drug-smugglers and people released from prisons and asylums.
But hey, it's out of line to criticize him for that, yeah?
If you want to find more of the people who are causing the problems, look behind you.
Nazis are not the only fascists in human history, Dickhead. Hitler was a fascist in 1923, long before he launched WW2 and built extermination camps. Trump is clearly a fascist, as are you. The fact that you don't recognize your position is comical.
DeleteTrump has literally used Hitler's word "vermin" to describe the object of his hate, and fucking Dickhead in Cal said nothing.
DeleteI get you David. Dab gum armed and masked fascists demanded papers, threw them in a van, and sent them to concentration camps in FL and TX without due process in courts. It is really quite shocking you Nazi bitch.
Delete"Everyone who called Trump a fascist is part of 'they'”.
DeleteBur folks who demonize minorities, gays, trans people, liberals, women...they're just "using their words."
Got it.
Trump is a fascist, DiC. But we’re not allowed to say it? Your tribe calls liberals “communists”, and has done for decades. But that’s ok, amirite?
DeletePretty clear Laura Loomer is responsible for Kirk's death. She was dragging Kirk recently for not humping Trump's leg hard enough.
DeleteDavid -- don't try to one up me when it comes to losing family in WWII; you can't.
DeleteYes, Trump is a fascist. No, you can't step into the same water in the river, as it flows, but it's the same river. Trump is following the fascist trajectory: persecuting enemies; going after lawyers and liberal institutions (that's small 'l' liberal); sending troops; creating provocations; demonizing groups of people. Trump is a fascist in his core and always has been.
Calling Trump a fascist does not invite shooting Kirk or anyone else. Anyone with modicum of intellectual honesty should be able to grasp that -- don't you agree?
The modus operandi is this: conservative blowhards spew nonsensical hate day in and day out. In their mind, they are on the path of righteousness; therefore, when they are called out for their idiotic hate spewing, they are either being cancelled or it's a call for violence. To state an obvious fact, no official figure of any importance on the left -- neither pundits nor politicians -- suggested that Kirk or anyone else should be assassinated. I bet it I could find right wing figures suggesting exterminating Democrats.
DeleteTrump himself suggested the 2nd Amendment people would know how to take care of Hillary, and Dickhead crawled naked thru a Paris sewer to vote for him 3 times.
DeleteAs a liberal who hates Trump, I do agree that powerful Democrats comparing Trump to Hitler in the last days of the election was reckless and irresponsible. Not that it led to this shooting but in that it was so imprecise. Especially in an environment where ordinary people can only understand politics through a black and white lens, EG Trump is a child rapist fascist, full stop. (And then when called on it saying oh well actually it's that he's on a fascist trajectory), and all the similar examples of this kindergarten level of understanding that comes out of the rank and file from both sides.
Delete(they are all, more than anything else, expressions of powerlessness.)
Delete" To state an obvious fact, no official figure of any importance on the left -- neither pundits nor politicians -- suggested that Kirk or anyone else should be assassinated"
DeleteWhat an embarrassing moving of the goal posts. Jesus, dude.
2:30, the only politician who compared Trump to Hitler was Trump's VP selection.
Delete2:46, I'm afraid that is not correct. They they overtly invoked comparisons to Hitler and Nazism in an obvious way. Maybe you can make an argument that they didn't directly make the comparison. I haven't researched it enough.
DeleteWell try researching it a little and get back to me.
DeleteWhy? I'm interested in the invoked comparisons by the Democrats. That's what my comment is about. I don't care at all about direct Hitler comparisons.. My comment stands. Powerful Democrats. Comparison of trump to Hitler and Nazism in the last few weeks of the election was reckless and irresponsible. It was crazy. But they were desperate.
DeleteYou should be embarrassed trying to claim that powerful Democrats didn't make comparisons between Trump and Hitler and Nazism in the last few weeks of the election. I mean really, get the fuck out of here with that shit, nigga.
DeleteFuck you too, Boris. All I said was that no Democrats compared Trump to Hitler. And that his VP pick actually did.
Delete"I go back and forth between thinking Trump is a cynical asshole like Nixon who wouldn't be that bad (and might even prove useful) or that he's America's Hitler," he wrote privately to an associate on Facebook in 2016.
We have expressed our conviction that he is a fascist.
It is beyond dispute that major Democrats made implicit comparisons between Trump and Hitler and Nazism in the last few weeks of the election. Major Democrats quite obviously, without any dispute at all, compared Trump to Hitler and Nazism. If you want to pretend like that didn't happen, go for it. I don't give a shit if you prefer to keep your head in your ass about it.
DeleteThe messaging came originally from experts in law enforcement not Gutfeld or Watters.
ReplyDeleteIn classifying serial killers they get divided into organized vs disorganized killers. Mass shooters may be similar. Being organized made Henderson appear professional compared to the Butler shooter who was disorganized.
I dislike Somerby using these details to advance his own agenda.
Was it being organized or was it that he hit his target with his first shot at long distance?
DeleteWhat we know so far: the young man arrested for the shooting was a white, religious, cis-hetero male son of a career law enforcement officer.
ReplyDeleteNow all y'all who have spent the last two days blaming this shooting on "the left" can line up right over here and pucker up.
He is a leftist ANTIFA scum and your lies don't work anymore.
Delete"The family member referenced a recent incident in which Robinson came to dinner prior to September 10 and in the conversation with another family member, Robinson mentioned Charlie Kirk was coming to UVU. They talked about why they didn’t like him and the viewpoints that he had. The family member also stated that Kirk was full of hate and spreading hate."
DeleteNice try, commie puke.
@1:18 Squeal
DeleteHe knew how Kirk made his bank by spreading right wing hate memes about the least among us. It is about the only way left to make a buck in Trump's economy. Ain't worth shooting anyone over. As this blog proves, can't fix stupid.
DeleteAs Supreme Commander of Antifa Forces I can state with authority that we have no soldiers in Utah. We would stand out there with our troops mostly comprised of people of color who hate Trump's deep state.
DeleteThe odds are that he thought that Kirk was an appeaser and the right needed a more hardline leader.
Delete"In that world, the late Charlie Kirk was "a beautiful American boy" who wasn't even controversial! More on that will come next week. Today still isn't the time."
ReplyDeleteHere comes the victim blaming from the "We don't blame victims" party. Disgusting.
Somerby is not condoning shooting anybody you jagoff. Just important to note Kirk's fame and $$ came from peddling the same tired hate and distrust of the others so popular on the right. You know, another bog standard fascist prick. I mean when creeps like pedo Trump and black hating Kirk are you standard bearers who belong on Mt. Rushmore, maybe you lost your way a bit?
DeleteWe know you like spreading this right wing propaganda, even accusing the blog host, 1:18.
DeleteAw, heck. Blaming the left for the actual shooting is turning out to be a dry hole, but maybe we can fault them for "victim blaming" if they won't go along with our canonization of a new saint!
DeleteCalm down Anon 1:18. Hold your water at least until Your Gracious Host posts about it.
They just can’t help themselves can they?
DeleteThat was an aside from Somerby in response to deifying Kirk, who was a general purpose asshole and a rightwing blow hard -- of course, such people are a dime and dozen.
DeleteWatch as Democrats try with all their might to find moral-sounding language structures to say Charlie Kirk deserved to be murdered.
Delete@Anon 2:39 Do let us know when you find one.
DeleteThe only prominent politician to call Trump “Hitler” was JD Vance.
ReplyDeleteCan someone explain to me why the fuck did the VP of the U.S.A. and active military fucking carry this racist's coffin onto the AF2 plane for transport to wherever the fuck they are taking him? To the best of my knowledge, Turning Point is not a branch of the government or the military.
ReplyDeleteI'll give it a try. Kirk was an Aryan poster boy for their (current administration) movement and their vision of the country. He represented all that was good and he was murdered by the forces of pure evil, i.e. anyone who disagreed with his sainted, pure philosophy. Just ask David.
DeleteOr, I think they were friends. Whatever you think of any of the people involved, it's a very human response.
DeleteQiD: That doesn't explain why he's getting a military funeral or flying his coffin on AF2. It would explain Vance attending his funeral.
DeleteHey libtards, look out for the Department of WAR's new lethality when we eliminate you and yours. Charlie Kirk will live in infamy! Anyway, that's how you fascist assholes sound to me. Yawn. Get a new "playbook" already. Mussolinispeak is so tired.
DeleteIlya: AF2 because it's Vance. The VP flies AF2 with a military crew. Mlitary funeral? I haven't heard anything about that.
DeleteBecause he deserved it, and you never will.
DeleteThe VP gets AF2 for his service, not for his friends transportation. We don't pay the military to act as pall bearers for a demagogue.
DeleteOther news: Today, from the Guardian:
ReplyDeleteA former Israeli army commander, Herzi Halevi, has confirmed that more than 200,000 Palestinians have been killed or injured in the war in Gaza, and that “not once” in the course of the conflict were military operations inhibited by legal advice.
Quelle surprise.
DeleteThe reason liberals could hang the word HATE onto the right all these years is that propositions like "racism is hateful" were used to suggest that any criticism of racial policy was hateful. Liberals got to the "hate" device first. "If you say children can't be butchered by mentally ill doctors who tell them they're in the wrong body, you hate children."
ReplyDeleteThat is no longer in effect, because finally we see where the hate is in politics today and it is squarely on the left. Hate, violence, mental illness define it.
Remember when they fined a baker hundreds of thousands of dollars for not baking a sodomy cake? We are never doing that again. It's over.
Do you realize that this comment is too full of generalizations and oversimplifications to be taken seriously? This is the reasoning of a kindergartner. Why are you reasoning like a kindergartner?
DeleteYou are powerless in the current political environment. Could it be that you are taking the frustrations you have about this powerlessness out on others in a generalized, simplified way in order to scapegoat your frustrations regarding your powerlessness?
Delete"If you say children can't be butchered by mentally ill doctors who tell them they're in the wrong body, you hate children."
DeleteLiterally no liberals say this.
"Remember when they fined a baker hundreds of thousands of dollars for not baking a sodomy cake?"
ReplyDeleteAnd this literally did not happen.
"The case was decided in favor of the plaintiffs; the cake shop was ordered not only to provide cakes to same-sex marriages, but to "change its company policies, provide 'comprehensive staff training' regarding public accommodations discrimination, and provide quarterly reports for the next two years regarding steps it has taken to come into compliance and whether it has turned away any prospective customers"."
No giant fines.
No, he wasn't controversial. He was engaging people into a discussion, telling them "prove me wrong" (something you never do). There's nothing controversial about that.
ReplyDeleteAs for "they", you call people "Others", so why is it wrong to call people "They"?