TUESDAY, DECEMBER 23, 2025
Planet of the Humans: Is President Trump a "sociopath?" Almost everything is possible, but a language problem intrudes:
As we've noted in the past, "sociopath" isn't a clinical term within the current realm of medical science. Adjusting for technical language, our question turns out to be this:
Is it possible hat President Trump is afflicted with antisocial personality disorder (ASPD), a type of condition which was once described as a "mental illness?"
(As we've also noted, the language of "mental illness" seems to be losing favor too.)
At any rate, is President Trump afflicted with ASPD? Almost everything is possible! And as we've noted in the past, his clinical psychologist niece asserted this in her 2020 best-seller:
Prologue: Too Much and Never Enough (2020)
In the last three years, I’ve watched as countless pundits, armchair psychologists, and journalists have kept missing the mark, using phrases such as “malignant narcissism” and “narcissistic personality disorder” in an attempt to make sense of Donald’s often bizarre and self-defeating behavior. I have no problem calling Donald a narcissist—he meets all nine criteria as outlined in the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM-5)—but the label gets us only so far.
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Does Donald have other symptoms we aren’t aware of? Are there other disorders that might have as much or more explanatory power? Maybe. A case could be made that he also meets the criteria for antisocial personality disorder, which in its most severe form is generally considered sociopathy but can also refer to chronic criminality, arrogance, and disregard for the rights of others...
The fact is, Donald’s pathologies are so complex and his behaviors so often inexplicable that coming up with an accurate and comprehensive diagnosis would require a full battery of psychological and neuropsychological tests that he’ll never sit for.
Oof! Of course, as we've noted in the past, the fact that she said it doesn't mean that it's true. But just within the past week, the president has chosen to bigfoot the honored dead by sticking his name on the Kennedy Center, and he has now affixed his name to a new group of battleships.
At one time, he was restricted to naming nondescript entities like Trump Steaks and Wine. Also, to placing his name on the Donald J. Trump Foundation, an alleged charity venture which was "dissolved by court order in 2018 after various legal violations came to light."
With his ascent in the realm of elective politics, the naming—and the ugly name-calling—moved to a higher level. But why does he behave in these ways? More specifically, how should wonderful people like us understand his endlessly unfortunate conduct?
As part of the overall package, empathy seems to be missing here, some observers have said. But setting niceties of language to the side, is it possible that this man is actually in the grip of an actual illness—an illness which may have been passed on through the genes from his "high-functioning sociopath" father?
(We're quoting his niece again.)
Almost everything is possible! We'll try to finish these ruminations tomorrow—and given the date which now approaches, we'll even ask this question about President Trump:
WWJD? What would Jesus Christ (think and) do about this president's conduct?
We'll try to speed through this general topic tomorrow. For today, let's consider the latest turmoil at the New York Times, as conveyed by this "Political Memo" in today's print editions.
Lisa Lerer wrote the piece. We're inclined to regard her essay as an ill-advised, unbalanced attack on Bill Clinton.
That said, the issue on which we'll focus involves the inability of us the humans to handle the challenge of reporting known relevant facts. Inevitably, our story starts with the apparent sociopathy of the sitting president.
We'll try to address the larger mess at the end of the week. But for today, let's focus on two different accounts concerning the aforementioned Clinton.
The first account was written by the New York Times' Annie Karni. It appeared in a news report in the December 15 print editions.
Did Bill Clinton ever visit Jeffrey Epstein's private island? Here's what Karni's news report said:
Inside the Clintons’ Fight to Avoid Testifying in the House Epstein Inquiry
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Mr. Clinton was acquainted with Mr. Epstein—an association the former president described in his memoir—but never visited his private island and cut off contact with him two decades ago. Mr. Clinton took four international trips on Mr. Epstein’s private jet in 2002 and 2003, according to flight logs, and an undated photograph of Mr. Clinton and Mr. Epstein signed by the former president was part of a batch of images released by House Democrats last week highlighting Mr. Epstein’s ties to powerful men.
Bill Clinton never visited Epstein's private island! So reported the New York Times, exactly eight days ago.
At this site, we'd be inclined to assume that Karni's statement is accurate. That said, it's famously hard to prove a negative—in this case, to prove that something never happened.
For that reason, we were surprised to see that flat assertion in that news report. We were especially surprised given some irresponsible journalistic conduct in earlier New York Times reports on this general subject.
At any rate, Bill Clinton never visited Epstein's island! So said the New York Times, or so it said until this morning, when Lerer—in what strikes us as an unfortunate piece—offered this alternate account:
POLITICAL MEMO
Bill Clinton, a Main Character in the Epstein Drop, Just Can’t Escape Scandal
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In 2019, hours after Mr. Epstein was found dead by suicide in his prison cell, Mr. Trump posted a conspiracy theory on social media claiming without evidence that Mr. Clinton had been connected to his death.
Since then, Mr. Trump has maintained a steady drumbeat of claims that Mr. Clinton spent significant time visiting Mr. Epstein on his private island—an accusation Mr. Clinton denies. Those claims have also been undercut by Susie Wiles, the White House chief of staff, and Ms. Maxwell.
As always, President Trump has been spouting inflammatory claims "without evidence."
That was true about what he said back in 2019. It's also true about the claims he spouted this summer, in which he repeatedly claimed that Bill Clinton went to the island 27 or 28 times.
Back in the summer, we thought the Times refused to push back against those unfounded claims. But now, the Times can't seem to make up its mind:
Last week, it said those claims were false. Eight days later, the paper's not sure.
The woods are lovely, dark and deep, but we humans simply weren't built for this type of work. Our anthropological finding is this:
As a species, we're surprisingly good at building buildings and at creating technologies. We're surprisingly good at those tasks—but we're poorly equipped for almost everything else.
What's the truth about the matter in question? Did Bill Clinton ever visit Epstein's island?
Through a spokesperson, and in his own voice, Clinton has said, again and again, that the actual answer is no. But it's famously hard to prove a negative, and there exists a blizzard of accusations and claims about this matter which will almost surely never be unscrambled by our tiny human minds.
On Friday or Saturday, we'll try to sort this mishegas out to some minor extent. For today, we almost thought we heard the voice of the old New York Times, the paper which created the poisonous Whitewater pseudo-scandal way back in the winter of 1992.
Mainly, though, we saw the Times contradicting itself—sliding away from an earlier claim. There's a dirty little secret lurking here—a secret the Times and its Timespeople aren't inclined to report.
It concerns the basic question of human capability. As such, it's an anthropological secret. The dirty little secret is this:
We're fairly good at building things, unskilled at everything else!
Tomorrow: What goes through the head of a sociopath? Also, what goes through the heads of people more like us?
ReplyDelete"For that reason, we were surprised to see that flat assertion in that news report."
Well, you should already know that everything nytimes say is a lie. You know, the WMDs, the ongoing Get Trump saga, all that.
If they claim that Mr. Clinton "never visited his private island", that means, obviously, that Mr. Clinton visited it multiple times. Just like the President said.
Reminder that Republican voters gave Trump a grade of A+ for giving corporations , like the NY Times yet another HUGE tax break.
DeleteFor the Right, EVERYTHING but the bigotry is negotiable.
Do you know who else has supposedly never visited Epstein's island? Donald Jessica Trump. There is no way to prove Trump was never there either. But does not attending the island exonerate anyone? It would tend to suggest someone who WAS there IS guilty of something, but is it really true that there can be no improper sex off the island, in New York or Mar a Lago, for example? This focus on the island is another distraction.
DeleteTrump was described as spending hours in Epstein's office with underage girls on several occasions, in the texts and emails released by Epstein's estate (via the oversight committee). What would any adult man have to say to a teen girl for hours on end? What would be his interest in spending so much time with her? Get real. But hey, at least Trump never went to the island, amirite?
Delete"What would any adult man have to say to a teen girl for hours on end?"
Don't become a Soros-bot, dear. Don't become a Soros-bot. And don't sniff your fingers, Corby.
that means, obviously, that Mr. Clinton visited it multiple times. Just like the President said.
DeleteBecause Trump met him there personally many times?
That isn't an answer to my question.
Delete@11:08, not Ilya (who makes a good point)
Delete“ everything nytimes say is a lie.”
DeleteYou mean, like this:
"An examination of their history by The New York Times has found no evidence implicating Mr. Trump in Mr. Epstein’s abuse and trafficking of minors."
Guess there’s reams of evidence, then.
Soros-bot @11:46,
DeleteThey lie. Their lie here is not that "there’s reams of evidence", but that they have "found no evidence".
Of course they found plenty of bullshit fake evidence, which they will soon suddenly "find" and publish. And all of it will be a lie.
Why would anyone assume that Trump, who has had mistresses, is crystal clean as to Epie Island?
Delete...on the second thought, seeing how the President has been recently suing fake media, "The New York Times has found no evidence implicating Mr. Trump" might just be an attempt to avoid a lawsuit.
Delete"President Donald Trump flew on the late sex offender Jeffrey Epstein's plane at least eight times, according to a large tranche of documents briefly put into public view by the Department of Justice."
DeleteOopsiedaisy.
"Don't become a Soros-bot"
DeleteTranslation: don't reason.
Why are u so unreasonable u big dumby???
DeleteThe ploy used with the Epstein dump on Friday was to include a bunch of photos of Bill Clinton in order to pretend that Clinton was a major Epstein customer involved with those underage girls. It is both punishing the Democrats for insisting that the files be released and also using the mandatory release to target favorite Democratic targets, implying that the Democrats are the real pedophiles, not Trump/Epstein and Republican associates. So, this focus on Clinton is political.
ReplyDeleteClinton has of course pointed out that he has been investigated and cleared by both Republican and Democratic AGs and DOJs and found to be innocent of any sexual misbehavior, merely engaging in his Global Initiative fundraising activities by traveling with Epstein to various countries. There is nothing new about Clinton in the released files and nothing incriminating. But there they are.
The tactic is to deflect away from Trump and any Republican onto Clinton, a long-hated target of the right, while Trump pretends he and Clinton are buddies, issuing statements about how he has always like Clinton and they have treated each other nicely.
Somerby's role in furthering right wing talking points is to highlight the appearance of Clinton in Friday's dump of Epstein files, to make sure no liberals miss the Republican focus on Clinton's guilt (by association). The New York Times does Trump's bidding with its story on Clinton and his scandals, but then Somerby helps it along by directly quoting from the NY Times hit piece. Somerby does repeat the exculpatory statements about Clinton, but the net effect is to place Clinton squarely in the middle of the Epstein scandal, deflecting attention from Trump himself and onto Clinton. As Somerby notes, it is difficult to prove that Clinton wasn't there on the island. Thank you Mr. Somerby, for making sure we all know that it is possible that Clinton was a bad guy, since anything is possible.
And let us not forget that the issue is not whether Bill Clinton visited an island but whether Bill Clinton raped 13-14 year old girls, as Epstein and Trump are accused of doing. The Republicans want to tarnish Clinton's reputation, deflect away from Trump's likely guilt, normalize pedophilia, and prevent us from wondering what other famous men (including Republicans) were involved but are being shielded by Trump's evasion.
I was disappointed by Clinton when he had adulterous blowjobs with a consenting adult (who claims she stalked Clinton not vice versa), because he shouldn't have done that. It was hurtful to Hillary, implied a lack of self control, and tarnished the presidency. But that indiscretion was tiny compared to so many of the things Trump has done, including lives lost and destruction of property, not to mention trashing our economy, hurting immigrants and behaving like a buffoon and melodrama villain. Trump is so much worse than Clinton at his worst.
But Somerby's shilling for the right today, while pretending to criticize the NY Times, shows Somerby's ongoing deceit. This is not the way any left-leaning blogger would cover this ongoing failure of Trump to comply with law. It advances right wing talking points while pretending to be critical, making sure that we libs all get a good earful of Clinton's wrongdoing, while first suggesting that out of empathy, we should all be pitying Trump. And oh, by the way, psychiatric terms are out of fashion and there are no good words for what Trump is, dontcha know! Don't be fooled. This is how Somerby rolls.
Anonymouse 10;59pm, does Clinton have to be a major Epstein customer to know that he shouldn’t be sitting in a hot tub with an adolescent girl? Does Trump? Does any man not know that? Now go do a post on how Bob has the hots for Anne Frank.
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Deletececelia, are you aware that families, including adolescent girls and boys, routinely sit in hot tubs together? Athletes sit in hot tubs together. People at resorts sit in hot tubs with strangers. You may never have had sex in a hot tub but it isn't as fun as it sounds.
DeleteWhere are you getting the hot tub stuff? Please quote.
Anonymouse 12;28pm, right… that’s the context of the picture.
DeleteRepeat -- where did your hot tub accusation come from. Please cite a source. My point was that simply being in a hot tub with a teen is not against the law because no crime is involved. My secondary point is "what do you think a hot tub is"?
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Delete"My point was that simply being in a hot tub with a teen is not against the law because no crime is involved."
Interesting suggestion. What about lying in bed with a stranger who's a teen? Is crime involved?
...and the next question will be about you both being naked in that bed.
...assuming, of course, the "teen" is under 18...
DeleteThere is a photo of Trump lying flat on a bed with Ivanka (who appears to be about 14 yo). Their close positions seem pretty inappropriate and I wondered when I first saw the photo, why anyone would have taken such a photo.
DeleteThese pedo trolls are not explaining that the thrill is from the feeling the man gets while doing tantalizing things with a young girl, not the actual behavior itself. Pedos are aroused by children. Adult men who are sexually oriented toward adult women are not.
DeleteAre you a pedo, 2:14? You definitely sound like you are. Like you know what're talking about.
DeleteI don't know if she is a pedo, but she's a Democrat. It's essentially the same thing.
Empathy is the ability to put oneself into another person's mind and context. Republicans have no empathy, so they cannot imagine someone understanding pedophilia without being a pedophile.
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DeleteHa-ha. Don't tell me you're merely fantasizing about being a pedo, pedo Democrat.
But thanks for the laughs.
Yup, Dems are all pedos. That's what QANON has taught us.
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ReplyDelete"At any rate, is President Trump afflicted with ASPD? "
One thing is clear, painfully obvious to everyone watching this: you, Bob, are afflicted with TDS.
Everything else -- ASPD, DSM-5, mental-shmental -- is a mere consequence of that.
Trump is afflicted with something and he is inflicting suffering on the rest of us because of it.
DeleteYesterday, Trump announced a class of battleships on our navy that (1) cannot be built because we have no shipyards large enough to handle them, (2) cannot have the characteristics described by Trump because we don't have the technology to make them 100X better, (3) cannot function as claimed because it is physically impossible. It is a fantasy. If it is attempted, it will be an expensive boondoogle. And it isn't necessary or desirable to build such ships for a variety of reasons that are well known to the military, whose leaders apparently could not talk Trump out of this announcement. It makes the US appear majorly foolish to the rest of the world, and to military experts who understand why we haven't built a new battleship since 1944.
But Somerby wants to discuss what the right word is to describe whatever is wrong with Trump, so that he can be pitied appropriately.
Delete"...he is inflicting suffering on the rest of us..."
Good for you, dear Corby, good for you.
For the Lord himself said in the Gospel: "Blessed are those who are persecuted for righteousness’ sake, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven."
You will be in the kingdom of heaven, Corby!
“ The U.S. economy grew faster than expected in the third quarter
DeleteGross domestic product increased at a 4.3% annualized rate last quarter,”
"... In the modern world nations mostly don’t sell each other completed consumer goods. Instead, the majority of trade involves sales of goods that are used to produce other goods. Last year the United States imported slightly less than $1.3 trillion worth of consumer goods plus autos, while importing more than $1.6 trillion worth of capital goods and industrial inputs. What this means in practice is that tariffs, which raise the prices of those capital goods and inputs, raise the production costs of U.S. manufacturers, in many cases making them less competitive with foreign producers.
Delete"So Trump’s plan to create manly jobs has, predictably, been a bust — a bust as complete in its way as his failure to reduce prices. The only difference is that in the case of jobs he actually tried to do something. But what he did was counterproductive.
Still an idiot fascist David
DeleteWe desperately need the idiot-Democrat-quarterly-GDP-expect to explain to us why 4.3% quarterly GDP growth is, in this case, a bad, very bad, thing.
AI taking away jobs increases productivity and GDP by eliminating human labor. We are just beginning to see the effect. Experts say we need new measurements, or just stay stupid, deranged, and uninformed. Now explain what to do with the forever jobless.
DeleteTrump wants men to return to manual labor, but robots and machines are better at that too.
DeleteUnemployment has increased 15% according to Trump's fascist regimes own #'s.
DeleteTroll comments are trying to create the impression that the only one criticizing Somerby or writing liberal comments is Corby. That is far from true. Just like Cecelia thinks that if she treats all anonymous comments as written by a single commenter, anyone is fooled. It seems likely DG wants distinct nyms so he can count how many people are disagreeing with which things.
DeleteAnonymouse 12:2pm, you are a single entity. You have elected to be a single entity. The Borg is an apt description too.
DeleteAnonymouse 12:22pm, DG is not an honest broker and you know that and are part of that charade. However, that “It seems likely DG wants distinct nyms so he can count how many people are disagreeing with which things.” is a reasonable position for DG or anyone else to take.
Delete"Gross domestic product increased at a 4.3% annualized rate last quarter,”
DeleteSays....the Trump Administration. Wonder what the real GDP number was.
Anyone who trusts the numbers from this administration is a fool.
Delete4.3/4 = a stunning 1% quarterly growth, that could just be a fart in the numbers.
DeleteYou don't divide by four. The 4.3%--under an honest administration--would represent the value of final goods and services produced in the July-September period.
DeleteThe same column every day. And now he promised us more this . Oy
ReplyDelete"More specifically, how should wonderful people like us understand his endlessly unfortunate conduct?"
ReplyDeleteSarcasm noted. I don't know about Somerby -- I am sure he is correct when he hints that he himself is less than wonderful, but I've expended a lot of effort into doing right by other people throughout my life, so I do not think that sarcasm is warranted in my case, and most likely for others here as well. We are not all bad people and those of us trying to be good are undoubtedly better than the Republicans and Trump followers who delight in behaving badly.
But why exactly is it necessary to understand why Trump (or anyone else) does what he does? It is way more important to stop him from doing bad things ASAP, to remove him from the ability to hurt others and our nation. It isn't WHY Trump is bad that needs to be understood, it is what we can do about it that needs studying, and then action to keep him from doing more damage.
This is obvious to those of us who are less concerned with seeming good than being good to other people. Doing good. Trump's main concern is acquiring more money and shiny gold possessions. He wants admiration and an extra helping of ice cream, more than anyone else. He wants to be told that he is smart, handsome, good at golf. And he wants to win at sex with young girls and now beautiful (in his eyes) women who fawn all over him and flatter him sexually (despite being age 79).
Somerby needs to focus on what is good for our country and the people whose needs are no longer the focus of greedy piggy Trump and his cronies. Looting the country does not help anyone except rich billionaires. The tragedy is that these men are destroying the country and causing preventable tragedy in the process of getting their own needs met. Government is supposed to prevent that, not enable it. So why is Somerby obsessed with Trump and not with the many wrong things he has done as president?
Trump needs to be removed from office via legal means, which means impeaching and removing him or using Article 25. Meanwhile, electing as many anti-Trump politicians in the midterms will help take back Congress from the Trump-serving Republicans so that we can impose limits on Trump's ability to hurt his constituents.
The net effect of Somerby's essays here are to support and enable Trump's wrongdoing. That puts Somerby on the wrong side. I do not know or care why Somerby is doing this. My concern is that no one be fooled when Somerby pretends to pity Trump instead of calling for his impeachment.
Sarcastically calling those of us who expect better from a president "wonderful" is a step in the wrong direction. It is not our wonderfulness that matters because we only have the power to vote, not to reverse Trump's wrongs. Somerby should focus on doing what is right now concerning Trump.
At this holiday season, a lot of people are suffering. I suggest that the wonderful among us (you know who you are) spend some of their money helping others, whether by contributing to charities, protesting immigration abuses, helping those around us who need it, and trying to make life more bearable for those targeted by Trump et al. Yes, there is an overwhelming problem facing us, but helping individual people always helps at least those individuals, if not the larger situation. And we must all vote Democratic, whether you think the party is pukey or not. It is better than Trump (Vance, Don Jr, Eric, Ivanka, Jared, Rubio, DeSantis, Thiel and the other ghouls). It is a waste of time to wonder and navel gaze about what makes bad guys bad. The question is how to fix the wrongs while waiting for someone better to run for office.
I don't think a good person spends their time writing comments that are nine meaty paragraphs long.
DeleteI sympathise (pity) those of you who never learned to read fluently, but there are others on this blog who can read and deserve to have whatever content they can handle.
DeleteIt's a comment section. If you are so fucking eloquent and smart - start your own fucking blog.
DeleteThe average length of Republican comments is much shorter than Democrat comments. What do you think that means?
DeleteAt a time when China is developing AI targeting attack drone swarms with 40,000 units, Trump the little boy wants to waste billions building obsolete battleships. Named after the fucking idiot of course. When the drone swarm sinks the USS Drumph, the only question will be, did the drone, magnets, or sharks kill the sailors?
ReplyDeleteIt will be windmills.
DeleteYour good, I forgot about the windmill menace. Good thing our brave Dear Leader is shutting down all offshore wind energy development. It's for our brave sailors safety!!!
DeleteGood catch. Thankfully Trump is shutting down all offshore wind energy development, for the sailor's safety 🛟.
Delete“As you will know by now, I have taken the ‘short route’ home,” the letter, which appears to have been signed from Epstein to Nasser, reads. “Good luck! We shared one thing … our love & caring for young ladies and the hope they reach their full potential.”
ReplyDeleteThe letter continues: “Our president also shares our love of young, nubile girls. When a young beauty walked by he loved to ‘grab snatch’, whereas we ended up snatching grub in the mess halls of the system.”
The letter is signed: “Life is unfair. Yours, J. Epstein.”
Slightly embarrassing -- "But when you're famous..."
Snatcherly, this will grab CC's and David's attention.
DeleteIt is common for pedophiles to justify their abuse of children by claiming it will sexually awaken and help their development. There seems to be a hint of this in Epstein's letter where he talks about helping girls reach their full potential (as what, one wonders). I wish more men understood that the consequences for the girls are why sex with children is verboten. Their lives are often ruined and they have lifelong psychological problems, attested to by Epstein's victims in their statements.
DeleteAnonymouse 12:05pm, it catches my attention as sounding as stilted as the dialogue from a daytime soap opera. However, that’s not to suggest that Trump is as smooth and clean as your vacuous cerebellum.
DeleteSo is Trump the most corrupt pedophile or president in history CC?
DeleteAnonymouse 12:23pm, how did my post suggest that? Good luck with the “but Trump was the worst” move.
DeleteWhen you use a "but Clinton did it too" ploy, then who was worst becomes an issue. Was a consensual blowjob worse than assault in a dept store dressing room? I don't think so. All men like and have sex, so how is Clinton's consensual activity even relevant to Trump's assaults and abuses of women?
DeleteYou've got to admit that Trump is very corrupt, but the difference is that Republicans think that is an admirable trait. Do you republicans feel the same way about child rape?
Anonymouse 12:38pm, I didn’t use that ploy. I chastised an anonymouse for suggesting that it was all Clinton fun and games. You’d do well to look up the grown women who have made claims about literally fighting off Clinton.
DeleteCecelia, all of these references to Clinton, including those by Somerby, are a ploy to suggest that Trump did the same things, when Trump was much worse.
DeleteThese routine slanders of Clinton are tiresome to Democrats. If there were any substance, they would have done more than a weak-assed perjury charge about whether a blowjob is "sex."
Trump is an adjudicated rapist who told Howard Stern he would be dating his daughter (age 14) if he weren't related to her. His pussy snatching is verified by his own words to Billy Bush on a hot mic. No one thinks Trump is innocent of Epstein-related misbehavior. He himself said that a perk of owning a teen beauty pageant was walking in on the undressed girls. Ewwww! But you Republicans think Clinton is an effective response to Trump's rapey behavior. Clinton was a choir boy compared to Trump. You guys shouldn't have thought this comparison would be helpful to Trump when it just emphasizes how over-the-line Trump is.
If they had evidence that Clinton actually did anything with girls while traveling with Epstein, they would have released it by now. That is the point of kompromat.
DeleteThe Clintons have a lot of experience being accused of scummy things by Republicans. I doubt this bothers them. That doesn't make Trump innocent.
CC... Fuck it.
DeleteThere's a lot of similarity between the Clinton sex scandal and the Epstein sex scandal. Both involve 22 year old adults who consented to have sex with an aging, powerful man.
DeleteClinton used a cigar on the vagina of his.
Hey CC, Trump is the worst at everything but rape and pretending to be a businessman on tv. Prove me wrong.
DeleteThis is not true. Many of the girls accusing Epstein and Trump were 13-14 years old at the time they were raped. Clinton did not rape Lewinsky and she was a consenting adult, who herself said that she seduced Clinton, not vice versa. At the time, Clinton was not particularly aging. Epstein and Maxwell were running a sex trafficking ring involving 1000+ victims and famous men as clients. Clinton failed to say no to an office worker who approached him. The cigar incident comes from the book An Affair of State by Richard Posner. Invading Clinton's privacy on that serves no useful purpose, since it was sex play and not an assault of any kind.
DeleteClinton has been persecuted by Republicans for his entire political career. Trump is being protected from the consequences of his crimes by his money and connections (including Supreme Court justices and billionaires). Every client of Epstein has a reason to protect Trump today.
Shit is fucked up and shit. Prove me wrong.
DeleteEpstein's victims were generally in their early twenties. There's been no accusations of rape by 13 or 14-year-olds. Epstein's victims were willing participants, getting paid to participate in massages in various states of undress. In that way, it's very similar: 22-year-old girls willingly performing sex acts for older men. The difference is, of course the cigar that Clinton used on the labia of his and that the Epstein victims were exchanging money for sex.
DeleteOne could say Lewinsky got a horrible deal in comparison. First of all, she had to take Bill Clinton's aging cock into her mouth. Multiple times. How disgusting. Epstein didn't do that to his victims. And the Epstein victims all have gotten millions and millions of dollars tax free. Lewinsky had her life pretty much trashed. So there are some differences. But the similarities are striking.
DeletePeople wonder why Hillary Clinton stuck with Bill Clinton while he was brazenly poking any and everything with a pulse, while her own lovely vagina just sat there dormant and ignored for years.
DeleteLewinsky pursed Clinton. Lewinsky showed him her thong before they had ever spoken to each other.
DeleteI wonder what Clinton must have been thinking all those times when his cock was in Lewinsky's mouth.
DeleteHe may have felt extraordinarily lucky for being able to do that to a 22-year-old. Of course he would have to pay the price later.
6:16: what do you think Clinton may have been thinking when his cock was in the young girl's mouth all those times?
DeleteThere is no evidence that Bill and Hillary stopped having a relationship after Monica or any other person. Unlike Trump and Melania, they still live together.
DeleteNo matter how often you contradict them, these trolls keep coming back with the same lies.
DeleteThat's true. All the blowjobs and fisting President Bill Clinton had with strange young women, don't indicate that Hillary's lovely own vagina was left unattended.
DeleteWe just don't want this to end up like Russiagate, where something you thought was true turned out to be completely false.
DeleteThe Russians engaged in cyber activity in the service of Trump. I thought that. It is still true. Trump publicly encouraged the Russian involvement. I saw that. Still true. Trump is pro Kremlin, gives Putin red carpet treatment, to the embarrassment of any patriotic citizen in this country. Still true.
Delete"(As we've also noted, the language of "mental illness" seems to be losing favor too.)"
ReplyDeleteThis is because the so-called medical model of psychiatric and psychological problems is not a good metaphor. There are no germs causing personality problems, no injuries to the brain. Nor does the medical model emphasize the interaction between genetics and environment, the impact of experiences in early childhood or ways people learn to cope with stress. It doesn't work as well as more modern ways of looking at mental disorders.
When a field is developing its knowledge of how things work, metaphors serve a useful function by giving us ideas to test against observed behavior. Psychology/psychiatry are younger fields than medicine. It is natural that ideas about physiology and disease in medicine should be extended to explain how mental problems arise and develop and might be treated. Early treatments for mental disorders included physiological approaches, such as cold baths, trying to restore the balance of humors (types of fluids) in the body, then using herbs and drug compounds to change the mind via the body. The relationship between mind and body was described using philosophical ideas that were abandoned in favor of neuroscience, with the discovery of neurons, their pathways, and how action potentials occur.
At this point we understand that injuries can affect the brain and thereby behavior. So can diseases. But mental illnesses such as schizophrenia and disorders such as mental retardation (developmental delays) are not caused by medical problems (disease, injury) but can also be caused by genetics and exacerbated by environment and learning. This abandonment of an exclusive medical model has resulted in effective behavioral treatments for acquired mental dysfunctions, such as PTSD. The interactions between environment and genetics is better understood, so the facile explanation that Trump was abused by his sociopathic father is recognized to be simplistic and incomplete.
By the way, Reiner's son not only had drug problems and addiction but was schizophrenic. That means that when his addiction was treated in rehab, his schizophrenic behavior was not. Many people with other disorders self-medicate using drugs which complicates both diagnosis and treatment. In Trump's case, he has not admitted adderall abuse but it appears obvious he is taking some drug regularly that would complicate coping with any personality disorder or dementia. Trump's method of coping with his life is denial and fantasy, which is not coping at all but retreat into unreality. That would not be sustainable if he were not hugely wealthy and able to impose his delusions onto others, so being rich is part of his mental problems, and that is not anything medical.
Somerby appears to have avoided any study at Harvard involving psychology, including developmental psych which would have helped him in his teaching career. He appears not to have read any books on neuroscience or personality, or relationships or autism (which would have helped him) or even self-help books on such topics as introversion/extroversion. So Somerby is ill-equipped to understand what he has been reading from the DSM and about Trump's childhood (Mary Trump, Bandy Lee). He picks and chooses what fits his own preconceived ideas, ignoring the rest of what is said. That isn't science and it isn't useful in understanding Trump. But it does imply that he has a ulterior motive for what he writes here. We can only guess at that, using clues from his behavior, but whatever Somerby's reasons for suggesting we pity Trump (for example), it has little to do with the current state of psychiatry/psychology or with wanting to understand anyone. It is about labeling and blaming. That isn't what science is for.
"Losing favor" implies that science is a matter of popular consensus. The kid joke 6-7 is losing favor among preteens. That suggests a fad, not evolving knowledge in a field of study. In that sense, Somerby insults the medical and clinical helping community.
DeleteUlcers used to be thought to be caused by stress and diet. Now we know that there is a bacteria involved and that uclers are exacerbated by diet and stress but not caused by it. So antibiotics are part of most treatment. And we know that there are other stomach-digestion related problems that can occur.
Does anyone call the previous ideas about uclers "losing favor" as a kind of fad or shared belief, like demon possession or being out-of-favor with a pantheon of Gods? No, we understand that there is a process of research that results in new ideas or more detailed understandings of older ones replacing old knowledge, which was the best we had in that time. As technology advances, so does scientific knowledge because there are better ways of studying things, which is how neural functioning became known in place of ideas about brain telegraph wiring in the body and then computer analogies for neural networks.
It is ugly when Somerby demeans the work of people who devote their lives to better understanding phenomena and then using that knowlege to improve lives. But perhaps this is Somerby's own defense against recognizing that he has done not much useful with his own life, especially the years when he made jokes about consumers being fooled by packaging.
If Somerby now mocks the efforts of scientists and researchers, it is probably a good thing he stopped teaching. It is, after all, the pursuit of knowledge.
DeleteSomerby has been mocking knowledge, expertise and science since he became a blogger. This is more of the same. It is unclear whether his request that we pity Trump is sarcastic too. He implies that if no one can decide what is wrong with Trump then perhaps nothing is wrong, but that is obviously untrue. After asking us to pity Trump, he always shifts his focus to some member of the press or Democrat (Blue America) to complain about their behavior.
DeleteSo, because no one can prove for sure that Clinton wasn't at that island, because anything is possible, then we must conclude:
"It concerns the basic question of human capability. As such, it's an anthropological secret. The dirty little secret is this:
We're fairly good at building things, unskilled at everything else!"
So now humanity at large is at fault because Trump is withholding documents that might clarify what he and Epstein did together before Trump became president. Because we aren't good at knowing everything, especially when a billionaire is desperately hiding evidence of his guilt, while building up as big a fortune as possible before he dies.
Is that the "building things" that Somerby thinks we humans are good at? I think we humans are good at developing expert knowledge about the world we live in, to create better lives for all, even when some among us are criminals. I marvel that humans are so good and kind to each other when we developed with a survival instinct to combat a hostile world. We humans created Christ, and a holiday that we celebrate by being generous to others and spending time with loved ones.
Trump cannot participate in these rituals because no one loves him. He spent yesterday holed up in one of his golf courses, partying with Rudy Guiliani. How sad is that for him? There is no percentage in being the Grinch.
You can prove that Clinton wasn't at that island on specific dates by showing he was somewhere else at the time. Does Somerby not believe in alibis?
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ReplyDeleteDemocrat party dogma is that the pedos are not perverts but just another oppressed identity. Like the homos and women trapped in men's bodies.
Which is why the women trapped in men's bodies, homos, and pedos are all Democrats. Why suddenly pretend they aren't?
Why pretend you're a human?
DeleteAsk AI.
DeleteWhat about the Log Cabin Republican organization?
DeleteScott Bessent would like a word.
DeleteLindsey Graham, too.
DeleteEvery once in a while someone asks what Trump has on Lindsay Graham. Release the Epstein files and maybe we will find out what Trump has on a variety of people. That is one of the reasons to pursue this -- it may be corrupting and compromising our government and affecting our politics, not just Trump's slimey reputation.
DeleteRepukes party dogma is that the pedos are not perverts but just oppressed old white men trying to get a little baby pussy. . Like Trump and Graham trapped in men's bodies.
DeleteWhich is why the Repukes trapped in men's bodies, homos, and pedos are all Repukes. Why suddenly pretend they aren't?
Gym Jordan can explain everything.
DeletePity the child. Yawn
ReplyDeleteMeanwhile, in the real world, murder AND theft:
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c87lnn09yj8o?at_medium=RSS&at_campaign=rss
Clinton cannot escape scandal because the Republicans have been using that tactic to smear him since before he was president. You would think that if there were any actual scandals to be found, that tactic would have worked. With that kind of spotlight on him, always, Clinton comes across as pretty clean. This also means that if there were any faults in his performance as president, any corruption, they would have brought that endlessly to the front to smear him politically. They couldn't do that either.
ReplyDeleteThen when Hillary ran, intead of looking for real scandals, they invented ones focusing on Beirut, her email server, her meetings as Sec of State (Clinton Cash), her aide's husband's sexting activities (never related to Clinton at all), the Wikileaks of Podesta's emails, and so on. An endless stream of nothing-burgers invented out of innocuous activities. And even then, it took a manufactured October surprise by Comey, coupled with Russian vote manipulation and social media voter suppression to defeat her in a very close election. By the time Kamala Harris ran, they had invented a sex scandal about her and Willy Brown that involved entirely consensual activities coupled with lies about whether he helped her career (which he had no involvement in).
In contrast, Trump is not being politically persecuted with made up claims, but he is an actual sex pervert, self-admitted serial abuser of women, who was best friends and participated along with Jeffrey Epstein, a convicted pedophile and predator who ran a sex trafficking ring (perhaps with blackmail) involving famous men. That stuff is real, as proven in court by E.Jean Carroll and Stormy Daniels and Karen MacDougal. And it is accompanied by so many lies and crimes that there is no doubt he is the kind of guy who would do that stuff.
There is no reason to pity Trump or to maintain the benefit of any doubt with regard to charges against him. There is a big pile of proof being withheld from the public to protect Trump's presidency and other accomplices with Trump and Epstein. The people have the right to know and Trump deserves justice, as do Epstein's 1000+ victims.
From Tiedrich:
ReplyDelete"reporter: “you named Governor Landry to be your new special envoy to Greenland. what do you see that role entailing, and is it still your intention that Greenland become part of the US?”
Donny: “well he called me. he viewed— Louisiana. the Louisiana Purchase, ’cause he said ‘I’m governor of Louisiana,’ and he said ‘I would love’— I didn’t call him, he called me, he’s very— proactive. he’s a great guy. he’s a deal guy. he’s a deal-maker type guy. and we need it for national protection. we need Greenland for national protection. they have a very small population. and I dunno, they say Denmark, but Denmark has spent no— money. they have no military— protection. they say Denmark was there three hundred years ago, or something with a boat. well, we were there with boats, too, I’m sure. so we’ll— have to work it all out. but he— he felts [sic] very strongly. we need it for national— we need Greenland for national security. not for minerals— we have some— we have so many sites for minerals and oil and everything. we have more oil that any other country in the world. we need Greenland for national security.”
Trump suggestibility in this quote makes me worry about what else he can be talked into by whoever has his ear from moment to moment. Landry got himself a free trip to Greenland at the expense of our nation's relationship with Denmark. But who else is whispering in Trump's ear, about what? That's the scary part.
https://www.jefftiedrich.com/p/dumbest-president-ever-invents-the
Flu is an illness. Trump is a felon.
ReplyDeleteTrump is a felon who makes me ill
DeleteHere is a Rawstory description of a tip received from a limousine driver who overheard a phone conversation between Trump and someone he called "Jeffrey' involving abusing "some girl." The driver contacted the FBI with the tip after his passenger told him that Trump and Epstein had abused her:
ReplyDelete"The limousine driver – presumably, based on context – then advised their passenger to alert authorities about the incident, according to the report, which the passenger objected to on the grounds that “they will kill me,” the report reads.
...The limousine driver would later attempt to follow up with the passenger, but learned that the passenger had died and was “found with her head ‘blown off’ in Kiefer, OK,” according to the report, which also states that the passenger’s death was ruled “a suicide.”
The DOJ has released a statement along with the documents saying that all allegations are false and not supported by any evidence:
"In a statement released Tuesday, the DOJ said, "The Department of Justice has officially released nearly 30,000 more pages of documents related to Jeffrey Epstein. Some of these documents contain untrue and sensationalist claims made against President Trump that were submitted to the FBI right before the 2020 election.
"To be clear: the claims are unfounded and false, and if they had a shred of credibility, they certainly would have been weaponized against President Trump already. Nevertheless, out of our commitment to the law and transparency, the DOJ is releasing these documents with the legally required protections for Epstein’s victims."
How would any teenage girl or even an older woman protect herself against organized crime like this?
There are now a couple of new documents describing tips received by the FBI. I don't understand why these were not followed up. The FBI seems to think that if they say the tips were not verified that means they are wrong. That is not necessarily true. So, why wasn't the FBI following up?
ReplyDeleteThe Don tried to rape me but his trumpet was too small to penetrate.
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