Supplemental: Post drops L-bombs on Candidate Trump!

FRIDAY, NOVEMBER 20, 2015

His crazy misstatements continue:
The Washington Post editorial board has done something quite unusual.

On Wednesday, in an editorial, they dropped a series of L-bombs on the head of a major White House contender. The hopeful in question is Candidate Trump. Hard-copy headline included, the editorial started like this:
WASHINGTON POST EDITORIAL (11/18/15): Lying about refugees

"Our president wants to take in 250,000 from Syria," says Donald Trump, falsely.
"Think of it, 250,000 people. And we all have heart, and we all want people taken care of and all of that, but with the problems our country has, to take in 250,000 people—some of whom are going to have problems, big problems— is just insane."

It is not insane. It is a lie. It is a lie that Mr. Trump repeats, even as fact checkers and reporters point out that it is wrong. Not just repeats, but embellishes. Last month, the number was lower: "Now I hear we want to take in 200,000," he said on ABC News. "We don't know where they're coming from. We don't know who they are. They could be ISIS. It could be the great Trojan horse."

We have grown accustomed to politicians exaggerating, sometimes stretching the truth, sometimes fogging it up for effect. But it is disturbing on a different scale to see a U.S. politician repeating a big lie again and again, in a way that is calculated to inflame bigotry and fan fears.
The editors didn't just call it a lie. They referred to Trump's repeated misstatement as a "big lie," with all that the term suggests.

It's quite unusual to see a big newspaper drop L-bombs in this manner. That said, the national press is barely trying to monitor Trump's endless bizarre misstatements.

Let's take this opportunity to revisit Trump's stirring speech, at the second GOP debate, about his insightful opposition to the war in Iraq. As part of his self-glorying speech, Trump said he could "give you twenty-five different stories" about his prescient opposition.

Presumably, he meant there were dozens of news reports about his prescient opposition. He also claimed that the Bush Administration tried to dissuade him from his opposition.

This wasn't a throw-away, offhand remark; this was a lengthy presentation at a major event. But were Trump's statements accurate? At the time, several sites searched for news reports of the type he described without success. Basically, everyone abandoned the matter after that.

To their credit, the Washington Post's Fact-Checker site didn't abandon the matter. On October 21, Michelle Ye Hee Lee reported that "Trump has not responded to repeated requests by us or other media outlets for proof of his early opposition to the invasion."

She also refuted Trump's "baseless claim that the Bush Administration tried to 'silence' his Iraq War opposition." In our view, it's kind of amazing that misstatements of this depth and breadth, delivered from such a major platform, received so little overall attention from the mainstream press.

This campaign has seen dissembling and misstatement carried to new heights or depths. Carly Fiorina's refusals to correct her misstatements about that Planned Parenthood tape were epic and bizarre. That said, have we ever seen as weird a misstatement by a candidate as this misstatement by Candidate Trump at the fourth GOP debate?
TRUMP (11/10/15): As far as Syria, I like—

If Putin wants to go in—and I got to know him very well because we were both on 60 Minutes, we were stablemates, and we did very well that night. But you know that.

But if Putin wants to go and knock the hell out of ISIS, I am all for it, 100%, and I can't understand how anybody would be against it.
As it turned out, Trump has never met Putin, including on that night, when 60 Minutes featured an interview with the Russian strongman which had been taped in Moscow.

It seems odd to us that such weird misstatements have received so little attention from the mainstream press. It was only four cycles ago when the mainstream press corps spent twenty months inventing lies by Candidate Gore, then feigning outrage about them. Now, when a major party front-runner keeps emitting the types of crazy lies which were falsely attributed to Gore, the mainstream press corps pays them little attention.

The Post did something very unusual when it dropped those L-bombs on Trump's head. That said, candidates like Trump are massively changing the rules of the road concerning truthful statement during the current bizarre campaign.

In a slightly rational world, major organs of the press would be looking for ways to say that. That said, they didn't care about truth during Campaign 2000, and they don't seem to care a lot now.

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  1. Bob Somerby keeps complaining about things that were not said by people in 2000 about things he felt were important. In doing so he sounds very much like many of today's youngish students who are complaining about the lack of reponse they get from college administrators to concerns they feel are important.

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    1. In a slightly rational world, major organs of the press would report on "massive changes in the rules of the road concerning truthful statement."

      Yup.

      Saying that though, rubs trolls the wrong way.

      Who gives a fig, troll?

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    2. I agree with Bob and Ann Coulter. Trump's response to the Syrian refugee problem compared to Hillary's probably makes 2016 a Trump year.

      Too bad Maddow didn't call Trump out earlier on his Mexican's are rapist line. Now it is probably too late, and with her dodge on the "radical Islam" question. Clinton lacks credibility with 99% of the voters.

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    3. Anon @ 4:05: You clearly can not see the forest for the trees.

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    4. It isn't important whether I see a forest, a tree, or gorilla dust in the mist. Nobody is helping we the people see.

      Maddow isn’t going to help. Hayes will avert his gaze, as will Eugene and E.J. and Lawrence and Chris and the rest of the many charadists.

      Joan Walsh isn’t going to help. Even Digby seems to lack the willingness to speak.

      Are we able to see the conduct of the Brunis and the Dowds for what it so plainly is?

      Many of us aren’t able to see that. Like the citizens in that famous old story, we can’t see past the glare of authority. Thanks to the shine of Bruni’s loafers, we can’t see Dowd’s lack of clothes.

      Some see dead people. Somerby sees Dowd with no clothes.

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    5. anon 6:01, is deranged, so it is useless to attempt to communicate with him.

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    6. How Mandela of you!

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    7. I love it when people call me deranged for quoting Bob Somerby. Isn't it amazing how his fans love him until they think his words belong to someone else. Then they recognize the whack job that their favorite blogger has become.

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  2. You know Rachel Maddow went out of her way once to say she did not dislike the guy. She also said nice things about the guy who almost got somebody killed. Like many a college dean in these fraught times she has never bothered to explain why.

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    1. Troll tickles himself, it seems.

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    2. We can’t tell you why Maddow has been behaving this way. But at the start of next week, we’ll show you what Chris Matthews said about the noxious figure Our Own Rhodes Scholar “doesn’t dislike at all.”

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  3. Why is the Left pushing back on the precise number of alleged "refugees" coming into the country? Frankly they would love it if we were bringing in millions every year, the more Islamic and anti-American the better. It doesn't make any sense to the average person, but the Left abandoned sense decades ago. As Trump is fond of repeating, we are governed by verrrry stupid people.

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    1. "Why is the Left ...?"

      Like you care to know. Trolls don't care benjy.

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    2. maj, as the Trump phenomenon shows, there are many stupid people, including you

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  4. Conservatives believe that the mainsteam media are very biased. So, criticism of Trump in WaPo won't hurt him in the primary elections.

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    1. OTOH IMHO their jihad against Clinton has been very effective.

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    2. Why should L bombs dropped on Trump's head have any impact? He has been carpet bombing himself with Agent Orange for decades.

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    3. Conservatives believe in unicorns and confidence fairies. So what?

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  6. While it's certainly refreshing to see lies called lies - I'm not so quick to praise the WaPo. Trump is an easy target as he's not one of the DC political class. Rubio or Bush could say the exact same thing and I'd bet the deed to my house that the WaPo would not use the L word.

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  7. I am glad Somerby has urged Clinton to use caution and warned pseudo-liberal tweeto-spherians not to mock those who fear the latest sinister band of refugees. He is demonstrating the wisdom of bowing to almighty American public opinion on these matters. As he often says, We the People Are Dumb, so why not just admit it and not piss off the other side in the process.

    Think what might have happened had FDR committed political suicide by trying to force Jewish refugee children into the unwelcoming arms
    of Americans in 1939. Wendell Wilkie might have gotten credit for saving mankind from Fascism. According to the charts accompanying this HuffPo article on the courageous Democrats who said no the Syrian refugee/terrorist assasins, Somerby is on the right side of history. It is wise of him to suggest not to arguing with those who think that Europeans ahould have had guns in Paris last week and the Holocaust could have been avoided if the Frank family had more firepower and less Dear Diary.

    Thanks heavens we bowed to public opinion who wanted us to Just Say No to 10,000 Jewish children. We can make America Great Again.

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  8. Trump is trying to out-Carson Ben Carson with his fibs.

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