Chait speech: Education reform, plus the rise of Trump!

SATURDAY, MAY 28, 2016

Our own liberal kindergarten:
We liberals are skilled at noting the intellectual povery which exists Over There, in the other tribe.

We're less skilled at noting our own tribe's intellectual poverty. Consider two recent examples from the work of Jonathan Chait, who votes the way liberals do.

One example concerns "education reform;" in this post, Chait adopts a contrarian view. The other example concerns the way "Republican politics and conservative thought" evolved during the Clinton/Gore years. It constitutes a perfect pander to the liberal world's tribal outlook.

Each piece by Chait is written on the kindergarten level. It's stunning to think that we liberals accept such work. But quite routinely, we do.

Let's start with education reform. In this recent New York Magazine post, Chait hails Michelle Rhee' for her successful tenure as chancellor of the DC Public Schools.

He works from a silly, underfed study from the conservative-leaning Urban Institute. The study examines the growth in average NAEP scores in the DC Public Schools from 2005 to 2013, as compared to the amount of growth predicted by a demographic analysis—a demographic analysis which goes unexplained by the Urban Institute and unexplored by Chait.

We'll focus on Grade 8 math. According to the study which Chait affirms, DC's changing demographics would have predicted a four-point gain in Grade 8 math scores during that eight-year period. But good lord!

Under Rhee, the DCPS actually recorded a 17-point gain in average scores! Chait uncritically accepts the idea that this much larger gain shows that Rhee's reforms were effective.

Truly, this is sad. Chait accepts the Urban Institute's unexplained demographic projection without even batting an eye. Incomparably, we decided to do something which made a bit more sense:

We decided to compare DC's score gains during that period to those recorded in other big cities. Our decision to run this simple check required almost no IQ points.

Duh. As everyone knows except New York Times readers, NAEP scores were rising all over the country during the years in question. To simplify the demographic confusion, we looked at how DC's black kids did during that period, as compared to their peers in other cities.

In what you see below, we're including every city school system which took part in the NAEP in 2005 and 2013. As you can probably see, the score gain in DCPS was remarkably average:
Growth in average scores, Grade 8 math
2005-2013, NAEP, black students only

Atlanta 19.78
Los Angeles 16.72
Boston 15.17
Chicago 14.29
Houston 13.23
DCPS 11.48
Charlotte: 7.83
San Diego: 7.39
New York City 5.82
Cleveland: 5.34
Austin 4.85
For all NAEP data, start here.

Duh. The score gains achieved under Rhee suddenly seem less amazing. That said, we decided to examine this question from a second perspective. We decided to ask a different question:

How well did DC's eighth-graders score in math in 2013, at the end of Rhee's reign?

In theory, it's easier to produce large score gains if you're starting from a very low point. DCPS was low-scoring, even compared to other big cities, when Rhee's tenure began.

Below, you see how matters stood by the time she left.

We include a wide range of the city systems taking part in the NAEP as of 2013. By a very rough rule of thumb, ten points on the NAEP scale is often compared to one academic year:
Average scores, Grade 8 math
2013 NAEP, black students only

Charlotte 271.41
Boston 270.97
Houston 270.70
Austin 267.51
Dallas 262.67
New York City 262.59
Atlanta 260.58
San Diego 260.34
Miami 259.41
Chicago 259.12
Philadelphia 257.59
Baltimore 257.22
Los Angeles 255.84
DCPS 252.65
Cleveland 249.39
Milwaukee 247.23
Detroit 239.01
If we might borrow from our cummings: How do you like your bright-eyed chancellor now, Mister Professional Journalist?

Please understand. We don't offer these data to assess Rhee's work in DC. We do so to assess Chait's work as a major journalist.

Judged by normal intellectual standards, Chait's post about Rhee's tenure was a piece of silly true belief straight outta kindergarten. And yet, he has been a leading liberal journalist for a good many years!

Can we talk? Like the evil conservative tribe, our own glorious liberal tribe just isn't especially sharp. Consider Chait's recent post about the rise of Trump, which fits more comfortably within our typical liberal narratives.

Below, you see the start of Chait's post, headline included. It's hard to believe that Chait wrote the highlighted passage in good faith:
CHAIT (5/16/16) How Trump Has Revived the Republican Cult of Manliness

About a week ago, Donald Trump managed to say something noteworthy even by Trumpian standards, and unusually revealing. “All of the men, we’re petrified to speak to women anymore, we may raise our voice — you know what, the women get it better than we do, folks, they get it better than we do.” This was remarkable not only in its ignorance of well-established inequalities between male and female pay and household burdens, among other things, but also in Trump’s bizarre political thought process. Trump had casually reverted to discussing men and women as “we” and “they,” as though he were addressing a men’s-rights rally rather than competing for an electorate in which women will compose some 53 percent. “Us versus them” is a standard trope for demagogues, but demagogues usually grasp that the “them” is supposed to be an unpopular subgroup, not a constituency that will cast a majority of the ballots.

It is easy to forget now how crucial a role traditional gender norms have played in Republican politics and conservative thought. Bill Clinton’s infidelity made him slick, weak, unmanful. (A famous 2000 Peggy Noonan column contrasted Clinton’s decision to send young Elian Gonzalez back to Cuba with the heroism of Ronald Reagan, who, she resoundingly concluded, “was a man.”) For Bush-era Republicans, manliness was an essential trait in public life. Republicans mocked Al Gore as a girlie-man who loved earth tones, and John Edwards who “looked like the Breck Girl.” National Review editor Rich Lowry decried what he called a liberal “war on masculinity,” prompting Al Franken to challenge him to a fistfight. (Lowry declined.)
We liberals have been trained to love presentations like the one in the highlighted passage.

That said, that highlighted passage is straight outta kindergarten too. It's very, very hard to believe that Jonathan Chait didn't know that when he was typing it up.

Careerist music man, please! Did Republicans "mock Al Gore as a girlie-man who loved earth tones?" We suppose they did, to some extent. But that isn't where the punishing script began, and that was a decidedly minor part of this punishing story.

Music man, please! The idea that Candidate Gore was "a girlie-man who loved earth tones" came from the mainstream press corps! It came from Time magazine and the Washington Post, and then from the New York Times.

Starting on October 31, 1999, these punishing insults were invented and pimped by the mainstream press corps! Republicans merely followed along, in a decidedly second-hand effort.

We find it very hard to believe that Jonathan Chait doesn't know that. It's impossible to believe that he wrote this in good faith:

"Republicans mocked...John Edwards who 'looked like the Breck Girl.' "

Republicans did that? Actually no—that was straight-up Maureen Dowd! At the time, it was one of Dowd's favorite insults. It takes a village idiot to think that Jonathan Chait doesn't know that.

(Dowd also played a leading role in the invention of the several scripts according to which Candidate Gore was "a girlie-man who loved earth tones." By the way, why would this alleged love of earth tones make Gore a girlie-man? Because, according to the mainstream press corps' script, Naomi Wolf had instructed Gore to wear earth tones, and to behave like an alpha male. There was no evidence that any of these claims were true, but all good mainstream pundits stood in line to recite them. Al Gore hired a woman to teach him to be a man! These nasty, misogynist scripts came from the Washington Post and the New York Times, not from the Republican Party. We find it very hard to believe that Chait doesn't understand this.)

Al Gore hired a woman to teach him to be a man? John Edwards was the Breck Girl? These were mainstream press corps jibes; they didn't come from the Republican Party. It's hard to believe that Chait doesn't know this. Why then did he write what he did?

We'll take a good solid guess:

As with Kevin Drum, so too with Chait. They give us the story we liberals enjoy. More significantly, they give us the story which can't harm their precious careers.

As we've told you for many years, mainstream career liberal writers do not discuss the behavior and conduct of the Washington Post and the New York Times. They certainly don't discuss the gong-show behavior of vintage music men and women like Matthews, Maddow and Dowd.

Despite their endless dissembling, we liberals seem to love the false and misleading stories these career journalists tell. We gulp them down the same way conservatives swallow the tales which come from Sean and Rush.

Unfortunately, these stories keep us liberals barefoot and clueless. But even as we gulp them down, we love to say how dumb and gullible they are in the other tribe.

Years ago, we discussed Chait's account of the role of the New York Times in the coverage of Campaign 2000. His account appeared in his 2007 book, The Big Con. It may have been the most ridiculous account of any topic we have ever seen.

Presumably, Chait was being less than obsessively truthful when he wrote that ridiculous part of his book (chapters 5 and 6). In the process, he was making us liberals much dumber—much less aware of the way the world has actually worked over the past thirty years.

These music men will never stop handing us the bowdlerized tales which erase the work of the upper-end press. As our part of the tribal bargain, we liberals keep truly believing the bogus tales we're told.

Still coming: Maddow goes after McAuliffe two times. Has anyone ever been dumber than this nutty music man?

37 comments:

  1. In the 1980s, the pundit Chris Matthews had called Democrats the “Mommy Party,” in contrast to the Republican “Daddy Party,” reflecting the sense that manhood and fitness to conduct foreign affairs had deep roots in the public psyche. 9/11 intensified the GOP’s identification of masculinity as its special advantage. The entire conservative movement had subscribed to what Cathy Young called a “cult of manliness,” which upheld George W. Bush and Dick Cheney as the Ur-specimens of masculine leadership. Young ran through example after example. Conservative Harvard professor and manliness devotee Harvey Mansfield (allowing his surname to dictate his destiny) told a National Review interviewer that Bush was the manliest politician in America. In 2003, the American Enterprise published a somewhat surreal roundtable discussion of masculinity by six conservative women. In the second paragraph, one Erica Walter, an “at-home mom and Catholic writer,” claimed that “manliness has experienced a renaissance” partly because “the Bush/Cheney administration has set the tone for the political culture.”

    The Weekly Standard ran an interminable series of essays lauding manliness and lamenting its demise at the hands of liberalism. Perhaps the Ur-text of this movement was a 2003 Jay Nordlinger op-ed in The Wall Street Journal. Headlined “Political Virility; Real men vote Republican,” the column gushed on and on about Bush’s manliness and his opponents’ lack thereof. Bush’s cowboy hats and chainsaws were symbols of almost erotic fascination. Even Bush’s Defense secretary, Nordlinger cooed, “became a kind of sex symbol as the weeks and months after 9/11 unfolded. Women of all sorts were open about their attraction to him.” Nordlinger’s column, like other examples of right-wing manliness kitsch, betrayed no evidence of irony at all. It culminated in a tribute to the manliness of the party’s oh-so-manful House Speaker, Dennis Hastert, whose own fixation with manliness turns out to have run deeper than was widely known at the time: “As for the Republicans, if they had any more testosterone, they’d be The Incredible Hulk. House Speaker Denny Hastert was a wrestling coach, for crying out loud. That’s almost overkill!”

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    1. That mommy-daddy stuff comes from George Lakoff and it is bunk.

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    2. Truth be told, that entire comment is a quote from Chait. It is what immediatley follows the passage Somerby quotes here.

      Those who have researched the Mommy-Daddy party language often trace it back to Matthews before Lakoff used it in print. But that is not the point.

      Somerby disappeared it. Chait did attribute some of the origins to Somerby's main liberal villain so, to chastise Chait, Somerby had to disappear much of what he said.

      Wanna bet he did the same thing to the education article as well?

      What a bunch of rubes Somerby readers are.

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    3. The unattributed idea that the Democrats are the mommy party and the Republicans are the daddy party comes originally from George Lakoff. If Chait didn't say so, shame on him. Lakoff was using it before Matthews -- Lakoff is a professor who studies metaphor. Matthews is a pundit who doesn't originate anything much. Seems to me Chait disappeared it before Somerby. That is pretty lazy -- an original idea doesn't belong to the last guy who talked about it. It belongs to the person who thought it up.

      You seem to think that Somerby needs to quote articles in their entirety or else something is being "disappeared" for nefarious reasons. That isn't how quoting works. When you cite a source, anyone interested in the rest of it can go look it up for themselves.

      But you are a brain damaged troll who doesn't understand selectivity because you cannot focus on the main point of an article. If you used a highlighter, you are the kind of person who would highlight everything, since you don't know what is important and what is not.

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    4. You have to be one of the stupidest readers of this blog.

      I'll ignore some of your dsumber comments.

      Cite Lakoff's earliest use of the term. You have an hour. If you can't, the brain damage is all yours. If you can we can compare that to when Matthews first used it and see who is smarter, you or Jonathan Chait. Whose quote Somerby shortened because it ruined his meme.

      ill

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    5. I am disappearing your comment! Damn you Somerby. A wag of my finger at you and a tip of my hat to those with the total information awareness awareness of disappeared comments.

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    6. Well Brain Damaged @ 1:57 doesn't seem to want to justify his/her claim that George Lakoff originated the Mommy/Daddy Party terms which Chait atributed to Chris Matthews.

      The first use by Matthews which can be demonstrated here is 1991. Ironically it is a link to Bob's former op-ed home.

      http://articles.baltimoresun.com/1991-05-14/news/1991134061_1_liberal-democrats-gulf-war-mommy

      Now I will restate my original point for the benefit of Brain Damaged @ 1:57 and other like minded wallowers in Howler horse manure.

      Somerby stops his quote of Chait one sentence before Chait attributes the masculine/feminine political dichotomy to Chris Matthews. He disappears it. This is an act, disappearing facts, he accuses others of doing as often as he cites his rough rule of thumb in testing.

      Brain Damaged @ 1:57 says I think things are disappeared for "nefarious" reasons. The person who thinks that is Bob. He says so in this post. Humorously he does so in this line:

      "As we've told you for many years, mainstream career liberal writers do not discuss the behavior and conduct of the Washington Post and the New York Times. They certainly don't discuss the gong-show behavior of vintage music men and women like Matthews, Maddow and Dowd.

      Chait did discuss Matthews. So Bob disappeared it. And none of his rubes noticed.

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    7. Lakoff analyzed it in 2006 as a political metaphor. Matthews said it in 1991 but there are instances of others saying it before Matthews (back in 1988, Richard Armstrong, The Next Hurrah).

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    8. Your attempt to let Chait & the press off Somerby's hook comes off quite sad. This stuff does nothing to change the story.

      Chait says "Republicans" did nasty shit to Gore & Edwards.

      That's not right, though.

      That particular nasty shit was done by the mainstream press.

      "Chait did discuss Matthews?"

      You're pathetic.

      What Chait says about Matthew's "1980's" comments could hardly be less relevant to Somerby's point.

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    9. Edwards did nasty shit to Edwards. Gore can probably blame his parents. Erich Segal certainly did.

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  2. PBS" John Merrow was once an unabashed Rhee-lover, acting as her video Boswell, as it were. For more than two years, he produced a 20-part PBS series of glowing video reports of Rhee's tenure as D.C. schools chancellor. (All of this hagiography is available on YouTube, for those who care to watch.)

    Eventually, however, Merrow did a total and astonishing 180, and started calling her a total fraud. One report even had a chastened and guilt-ridden Merrow asking about Rhee's reign of fraud, "Who Created Michelle Rhee?"

    http://takingnote.learningmatters.tv/?p=6316

    With few more years to give him further perspective, Merrow recently minced no words about Rhee's damaging effect on D.C.'s schools: (CAPITALS are mine)

    JOHN MERROW: "Some of the bloom came off the rose in March 2011 when USA Today reported on a rash of ‘wrong-to-right’ erasures on standardized tests and the Chancellor’s reluctance to investigate. With subsequent tightened test security, Rhee’s dramatic test scores gains have all but disappeared. Consider Aiton Elementary: The year before Ms. Rhee arrived, 18% of Aiton students scored proficient in math and 31% in reading. Scores soared to nearly 60% on her watch, but by 2012 both reading and math scores had plunged more than 40 percentile points.

    "But it’s not just the test scores that have gone down. Six years after Michelle Rhee rode into town, THE (D.C.) PUBLIC SCHOOLS SEEM TO BE WORSE OFF BY ALMOST EVERY CONCEIVABLE MEASURE.

    "For teachers, DCPS has become a revolving door. Half of all newly hired teachers (both rookies and experienced teachers) leave within two years; by contrast, the national average is understood to be between three and five years.

    "Veterans haven’t stuck around either. After just two years of Rhee’s reforms, 33% of all teachers on the payroll departed; after 4 years, 52% left.

    "It has been a revolving door for principals as well. Ms. Rhee appointed 91 principals in her three years as chancellor, 39 of whom no longer held those jobs in August 2010. Some chose to leave; others, on one-year contracts, were fired for not producing quickly enough. Several schools are reported to have had three principals in three years.

    "Child psychiatrists have long known that, to succeed, children need stability. Because many of the District’s children face multiple stresses at home and in their neighborhoods, schools are often that rock. However, in Ms. Rhee’s tumultuous reign, thousands of students attended schools where teachers and principals were essentially interchangeable parts, a situation that must have contributed to the instability rather than alleviating it."
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    This last stuff is at:

    http://takingnote.learningmatters.tv/?p=6490

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    1. You quote Merrow from 2013. Yet based on the gold standard numbers published here by Somerby and used constantly here in the Howler to measure progress, the statement by Merrow that test scores were down in DC is false. The NAEP scores in 2013 were up.

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  3. Bob, Rhee was Chancellor from 2007 to 2010.

    Your point about secular effects is dead on, which is why Chingos's analysis tells us very little.

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  4. Another comparison would be the progress of D.C. students during Rhee's tenure vs. their progress before Rhee was Chancellor. If she reversed a decline, that would be some sort of achievement.

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    1. http://files.eric.ed.gov/fulltext/ED528992.pdf

      Bob's own blogger kindergarten:

      Once again we find Baltimore's best blogger pimping his favorite fake fact:

      "By a very rough rule of thumb, ten points on the NAEP scale is often compared to one academic year"

      No, Bob. Unless the universe of comparison makers you select is limited to your blog, it is not "often" a rough measure. It is an occasionally used incorrect comparison.

      Can we talk? The NAEP did a validation study of this "very rough rule" based on its usage by none other than the famous Baltimore blogger himself. They named names. And they sad it is not reliably valid at all,but particularly not in math NAEP testing.

      Blog readers, please. Despite being called out by name in 2012 by the NAEP validation panel and by repeated references to it in his own comment box, Somerby apes life forms like Donald Trump by blithely ignoring efforts to point out the truth. (Or is it Trump taking advantage of the cultural meltdown launched by Somerby?)

      Therefore these words written by a humble wise man serving all humanity might be modified to apply to Bob:

      "That said, that highlighted passage is straight outta kindergarten too. It's very, very hard to believe that (Jonathan Chait) Bob Somerby didn't know that when he was typing it up."

      http://files.eric.ed.gov/fulltext/ED528992.pdf

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    2. Quite a while back deadrat went to the trouble of finding a bunch of references where other people besides Somerby had used the rough rule of thumb. Somerby is careful to call it very rough. This continued harping on its adequacy as a measure of progress is being used solely to attack Somerby since you don't give a fig about these educational issues. You just crawl out of the woodwork whenever Somerby posts about this. There is a big difference between using that rule of thumb as a measure in research and the way Somerby uses it. Further, for his purposes in this post, it doesn't matter whether it corresponds to one year of learning or not -- what matters is that he is using the same rule for all of the districts compared. No one has called the NAEP itself invalid. Somerby's point in the highlighted quote is merely that a 10 point different is not trivial, as it might be for a test with a different scale.

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    3. I think deadrat is an idiot and he recently reappeared after a long absence for seemingly the sole, but repeated purpose of calling Somerby "the slowest boy on the train." So I would be careful who you invoke to make your case for you.

      You want a less biased source on the "rough rule," its origins, and its frequent usage than me or deadrat? Try Somerby himself. He wrote a whole post about it.

      http://dailyhowler.blogspot.com/2013/11/ripples-concerning-that-very-rough-rule.html

      Sadly Somerby named very few other people who used his rough rule in that post. What is sadder still is that the post was written in November, 2013. That is almost two years after the NAEP validation study indicated
      Bob should be discouraged from using it, particularly when Math testing is involved.

      In January 2012 the NAEP validation study specifically cited Somerby for use of his very rough rule of thumb. They cited one other author for using it in a different way. That study is linked twice in my comment for those who want to read it rather than simply defend Bob's Trump-like pimping of fake facts.

      Bob Somerby had two years to react to that study and stop misusing his faux "rough rule
      of thumb." Read his 2013 post on the origins of his rule. Notice he disappears the NAEP validation study.

      Bob Somerby. He invents facts. He pimps them like an overpaid insane Cable TV Clown. Then he disappears the truth like a career padding greedy guild member.

      Defend him. That is what sleepy dumb liberals do. At least according to Bob Somerby. You are "less skilled at noting our own tribe's intellectual poverty."

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    4. He's not misusing it. He just stated that 10 points is a meaningful increase. You ignore that party of my comment to repeat yourself, for the sole purpose of maligning Somerby. We all know you dislike Somerby. That's your only message here.

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    5. Any time Somerby states his rough rule of thumb is "often" cited he is lying. Most people have avoided it since 2012. Any time he uses it to illustrate progress in math he is misusing it. He does both here. You ignore the truth.

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    6. The validation study you keep referring to criticized the rough rule of thumb for precise measurement. When you say it is "rough" and do not use it for specific comparisons, you are on safe ground. He does nothing of the sort here. He uses it merely to show that an 18 point increase in score is nothing to sneeze at. You are going ballistic over nothing.

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    7. When he uses it preceding a list of 8th grade math scores, give a specific "one academic year" measurement by which he says it is "often compared" then he is on safe ground with people who will defend him as you just did because you perform the way he describes the liberal media performing.

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    8. The "rough rule" doesn't matter at all in determining whether the education reporting Somerby chastises today is awful.

      The reporting is awful.

      And it's awful exactly for the reasons stated: failure to look at other school system's performance in comparison.

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    9. It's awful because of "failure to look at other school system's performance" you say?

      That make this post even more awful.

      Why?

      1) Because Somerby falsely states Chait relied solely on the Urban Institute study and falsely stated what he used that study for.

      2) Because Somerby and you think it is improper to not look at other school systems
      performance then I would say it is idiotic to look at the performance of only one race (black) on tests of only one grade (eighth) in only one subject (math) and then dare to criticize the limited scope of someone else.

      Get you head out of Bob's butt.

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    10. Though you clearly intern for Chait, you can't actually defend his work.

      Sad.

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  7. Let's spin with Bob!

    According to Bob!

    "He (Chait) works from a silly, underfed study from the conservative-leaning Urban Institute."

    Let's ask what consitutues an "underfed"
    study as opposed to a properly nourished one.

    Let's try and figure out what was "silly" about this study.

    Find any evidence? Didn't think so.

    So who defined the urban Insitute as "conservative leaning."

    Certainly not the "expert" most frequently invoked by Bob!

    "The Urban Institute has been referred to as "independent"[11][12] and as "liberal".[13] A 2005 study of media bias in The Quarterly Journal of Economics ranked UI as the 11th most liberal of the 50 most-cited think tanks and policy groups, placing it between the NAACP and the People for Ethical Treatment of Animals.[14] According to a study by U.S. News & World Report most political campaign donations by Urban Institute employees go to Democratic politicians. Between 2003 and 2010, Urban Institute employees' made $79,529 in political contributions, of which 0.00% went to the Republican Party.[15]"

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Urban_Institute

    On a scale of 33 1/3 RPM to 78 RPM, we'd say Bob! is busting the turntable with fast spinning gibberish on this one.

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  8. Hi everyone,so excited Dr.Unity helped me to stop Divorce and he can also help you to fix your Broken Relationships, Separations, Divorce & Get your ex Back. I am Natasha Hayes by name and i reside here in London, United Kingdom. I'm happily married to a lovely and caring husband ,with two kids.A very big problem occurred in my family seven months ago,between me and my husband .so terrible that he took the case to court for a divorce.he said that he never wanted to stay with me again,and that he didn't love me anymore.So he packed out of the house and made me and my children passed through severe pain. I tried all my possible means to get him back,after much begging,but all to no avail.and he confirmed it that he has made his decision,and he never wanted to see me again. So on one evening,as i was coming back from work,i met an old friend of mine who asked of my husband .So i explained every thing to him,so he told me that the only way i can get my husband back,is to visit a spell caster,because it has really worked for him too.So i never believed in spell,but i had no other choice,than to follow his advice. Then he gave me the email address of the spell caster whom he visited.{Unityspelltemple@gmail.com}. So the next morning,i sent a mail to the address he gave to me,and the spell caster assured me that i will get my husband back the next day.What an amazing statement!! I never believed,so he spoke with me,and told me everything that i need to do. Then the next morning, So surprisingly, my husband who didn't call me for the past{7}months,gave me a call to inform me that he was coming back.So Amazing!! So that was how he came back that same day,with lots of love and joy,and he apologized for his mistake,and for the pain he caused me and my children. Then from that day,our marriage was now stronger than how it were before,by the help of a spell caster Dr Unity. So, i will advice you out there, if you have any problem contact Dr Unity,i give you 100% guarantee that he will help you and you will be the next to share your testimony to every one in the world.!!. Email him at: Unityspelltemple@gmail.com or call him on +2348072370762 and you can also visit his website for more details: http://unityspelltemple.yolasite.com. thanks to Dr Unity for the love he show to me and family.

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  9. How My Marriage Was Restored Email: eboehispellcaster@yahoo.com

    My Name is Cindy Diane currently living in Ohio, USA.. This is my testimony about the marvelous work Dr Eboehi did for me. My husband abandon me and the kids and went to stay with another woman who he just met. And the woman did spell on him so that he will never have nothing to do with me and my kids for that, my self and the kids has been suffering and it has been hell of a struggle, but I decide to do all means to make sure that my family come together as it use to, then I went on-line there I saw so many good talk about this spell caster called Dr Eboehi on his web site. So I had to contact him and explain my problem to him and in just 48hours as he has promised, my husband came home and his behavior was back to the man i got married to. I cant thank the spell caster enough for what he did for me, i am so grateful and i will never stop to publish his name on the internet for the good work he has done for me, once again thanks Dr Eboehi email: ( eboehispellcaster@yahoo.com ) .. You can contact him for any kind of problem i know he is there to help you. Website: http://eboehispellhome.bravesites.com


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  10. An amazing testimony on a spell caster who brought my wife back to me..i live in canada,and I'm happily married to a lovely and caring wife,with three kids.A very big problem occurred in my family seven months ago,between me and my wife.so terrible that she took the case to court for a divorce.she said that she never wanted to stay with me again,and that she didn't love me anymore.So she packed out of my house and made me and my children passed through severe pain. I tried all my possible means to get her back,after much begging,but all to no avail.and she confirmed it that she has made her decision,and she never wanted to see me again. So on one evening,as i was coming back from work,i met an old friend of mine who asked of my wife.So i explained every thing to her,so she told me that the only way i can get my wife back,is to visit a spell caster,because it has really worked for her too.So i never believed in spell,but i had no other choice,than to follow her advice. Then she gave me the email address of the spell caster whom she visited.{goodluck05spellcaster@gmail.com}. So the next morning,i sent a mail to the address she gave to me,and the spell caster assured me that i will get my wife back the next day.What an amazing statement!! I never believed,so he spoke with me,and told me everything that i need to do. Then the next morning, So surprisingly, my wife who didn't call me for the past seven {7}months,gave me a call to inform me that she was coming back.So Amazing!! So that was how she came back that same day,with lots of love and joy,and she apologized for her mistake,and for the pain she caused me and my children. Then from that day,our relationship was now stronger than how it were before,by the help of a spell caster. So, i will advice you out there to kindly visit the same website {goodluck05spellcaster@gmail.com},if you are in any condition like this,or you have any problem related to "bringing your ex back. So thanks to the goodluckspellcaster for bringing back my wife,and brought great joy to my family once again.goodluck05spellcaster@gmail.com

    http://goodluck05spellcaster.yolasite.com

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  11. Today has being the most happiest day of my life after 1 year of sadness and sorrow without being with the one i love, i tried all my possible best to make sure i make my lover happy but it never seems to work out well it was like am doing everything in vain but all thanks to Lord Alika for coming to change all my worries and sadness to Joy. i knew the great man when i read some wonderful reviews about Lord Alika how he has helped a lots of people on there relationship problem i was reading a magazine which then i saw great testimonies as well which then i decided not to waste time.he told me not to worry that he assures me that within 48 hours everything would be sorted out i believed Lord Alika so much because i believe he can't fail me and i sent him all my details. Truly Lord Alika never failed me,my husband who left me for good a year come back to me. My husband and i have been living contentedly since this spell caster reunited us together with his love spells. Thank you so so so much Lord Alika for your powerful spells. expressions are not sufficient to say thank you. here is his email address lordalikaspelltemple@yahoo.co.uk or http://lordalikaspelltemp8.wix.com/http call him +13217666393

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  12. Good Day everybody, my names is Vanwinkel Danielle Lucille, am from the United State of America, i want to give thanks and honor to Dr. utagba for the great work he did for me, he brought my lover within 24 hours which i never taught it will ever come through in my life, but this great man Dr. utagba proved to me that powers that can do wonders, i got his contact from a friend in the USA who he helped, this friend of mine told me that this man is great but i felt as hmm are you sure? cause i hardly believe those kind of things,so she told me not to worry that when i contact him, that she is guaranteeing me 100% that my lover will come back that if it does not work that she will be the one to give me back my money, to show her sincerity to me, she gave me her car that if it does not work and she did not pay me the money that i spent that i should collect her car and she gave me all the documents, i was so so surprised she was very serious about it so that was how i contacted him and i told him what i want he just told me that everything will be done within 24 hours so with the assurance my friend gave me i was having confident, so in the next 24 hours that he told me i just heard a knock on my door i never knew it was WILLIAMS, so that was how i opened the door the first thing he did was to go on his knees, he started begging me to forgive him that he is very sorry for everything, i was really surprised and was also happy, so that was how i for give him and now we are living together happily than ever before, and am using the media to invite my friends on my wedding which will be coming up on 24/12/2016, am very happy thanks be to Marie who gave me his contact and honor be onto Great DR. utagba who helped me a lot, if you need his help or you want to thank him for me you can contact him through Utagbanatemple@gmail.com.

    Once agin contact him via Email; (Utagbanatemple@gmail.com)

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  13. Good Day everybody, my names is Vanwinkel Danielle Lucille, am from the United State of America, i want to give thanks and honor to Dr. utagba for the great work he did for me, he brought my lover within 24 hours which i never taught it will ever come through in my life, but this great man Dr. utagba proved to me that powers that can do wonders, i got his contact from a friend in the USA who he helped, this friend of mine told me that this man is great but i felt as hmm are you sure? cause i hardly believe those kind of things,so she told me not to worry that when i contact him, that she is guaranteeing me 100% that my lover will come back that if it does not work that she will be the one to give me back my money, to show her sincerity to me, she gave me her car that if it does not work and she did not pay me the money that i spent that i should collect her car and she gave me all the documents, i was so so surprised she was very serious about it so that was how i contacted him and i told him what i want he just told me that everything will be done within 24 hours so with the assurance my friend gave me i was having confident, so in the next 24 hours that he told me i just heard a knock on my door i never knew it was WILLIAMS, so that was how i opened the door the first thing he did was to go on his knees, he started begging me to forgive him that he is very sorry for everything, i was really surprised and was also happy, so that was how i for give him and now we are living together happily than ever before, and am using the media to invite my friends on my wedding which will be coming up on 24/12/2016, am very happy thanks be to Marie who gave me his contact and honor be onto Great DR. utagba who helped me a lot, if you need his help or you want to thank him for me you can contact him through Utagbanatemple@gmail.com.

    Once agin contact him via Email; (Utagbanatemple@gmail.com)

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  14. Hi My name is "BEKAR JOE" I was married for 15years with lilian. things started getting ugly and we had fights and arguments almost every time... it got worse at a point that she filed for divorce... I tried my best to make her change her mind & stay with me.she moved out of the house and still went ahead to file for divorce... I pleaded and tried everything but still nothing worked. The breakthrough came when someone introduced me to this wonderful, great spell caster who eventually helped me out... I have never been a fan of things like this but just decided to try reluctantly cause I was desperate and left with no choice... He did special prayers and used roots and herbs... Within 2 days she called me and was sorry for all the emotional trauma she had cost me, she moved back to the house and we continue to live happily. what a wonderful miracle dr. trust did for me and my family. I have introduced him to a lot of couples with problems across the world and they have had good news... I strongly believe someone out there need's his help.(Ultimatespellcast@yahoo.com or ultimatespellcast@gmail.com)so make extra effort to save your marriage/relationship if it's truly worth it.call him +2348156885231 his Via web sit: (http://ultimatespellcast8.wix.com/ultimatespellcast)

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