GAPS AND PLANS CONTINUED: District 3's Rube Goldberg plan!

TUESDAY, JULY 3, 2018

Part 2—The Onion tries "desegregation:"
How can test scores be so different from schools right in the same town? Let's review some recent results from three New York City schools:
New York State math test, Grade 8
2016-2017 school year:

New York City Middle School A

Average student proficiency rating: 3.88 (of maximum 4.5)
Percentage of students achieving proficiency: 86.2%

New York City Middle School B
Average student proficiency rating: 2.61 (of maximum 4.5)
Percentage of students achieving proficiency: 30.4%

New York City Middle School C
Average student proficiency rating: 2.11 (of maximum 4.5)
Percentage of students achieving proficiency: 3.8%
Those schools produced very different results. How can three middle schools in the same city produce such divergent performance?

We liberals may turn to our favorite demons as we dash off our answers. In fact, in the case of Middle School A, the divergent results aren't hard to explain at all.

Middle School A is Booker T. Washington Middle School, a "highly selective" middle school whose students gain admission, at the start of sixth grade, through a combination of good grades and high test scores.

These kids were higher-achievers coming in. As those data show, they're also higher-achievers going out. There is no mystery to this pattern and process—except when the New York Times decides to find a mystery there.

Booker T. Washington has operated, of late, through a type of "tracking by school." Higher-achieving kids gain admission to the school. Once there, they pursue an advanced course of study.

Should the New York City Public Schools permit this type of "tracking by school?" That's a perfectly sensible question. It's also a matter of judgment.

One downside to this arrangement involves the question of "racial" and ethnic imbalance. This state of affairs is referred to, by our vastly moral though largely uncaring tribe, as "segregation." The term stirs liberal blood!

Given current realities, a school like Booker T. Washington will have more "white" and Asian-American kids than are found in the city's schools as a whole. Quite reasonably, this is widely seen as a downside of this type of school organization.

In New York City's District 3, our tribe has engineered a solution to this imperfect state of affairs. In a June 21 news report, the New York Times' Winnie Hu described the shape of the newly-adopted plan, which had long been debated.

In our view, "racial balance" is a very good thing in a public school, until such time as it isn't. Again and again in the past forty years, well-intentioned desegregation plans have led to anger, division and strife. Alas! Well-intentioned plans can sometimes produce lousy outcomes.

In the current circumstance, District 3's "desegregation plan" will affect the district's "highly selective" schools. With that in mind, it seems to us that this District 3 plan reads like a parody of a desegregation plan, perhaps as dreamed up by The Onion.

Hu's report started as shown below. The oddness of the District 3 plan was immediately apparent:
HU (6/21/18): New York City is moving ahead with a desegregation plan for middle schools that has drawn an outcry from some Upper West Side parents and heightened tensions over race and equity in one of the city’s most diverse and highly segregated school districts.

Middle schools in District 3, which stretches from the Upper West Side to Harlem, will be required to set aside a quarter of their sixth-grade seats for low income students with low test scores and grades beginning next spring, Richard A. Carranza, the schools chancellor, announced Wednesday.

The plan is intended to increase diversity in selective, high-performing middle schools like Booker T. Washington, where black and Hispanic students are underrepresented.
Yes, you read that correctly! This plan is not designed to bring a larger number of higher-performing black and Hispanic kids into Booker T. Washington.

On the contrary! The plan is specifically designed to admit black and Hispanic kids "with low test scores and grades!" The plan is specifically designed to admit black and Hispanic kids who who are doing poorly in school.

Indeed, a higher-performing black student—a kid with good grades and good test scores—can't gain admission to Booker T through this desegregation plan. For a black kid to gain admission under this plan, he has to prove that he isn't a good student! If he doesn't have low grades and low test scores, that student need not apply!

In our view, this plan reads like something straight outta The Onion! Imagine what this plan will produce:

District 3 did not decide to do away with "highly selective" middle schools. District 3 did not decide to return to large "neighborhood schools," where everybody, of all types, reports to one big happy building.

District decided that Booker T. Washington would retain its status as a "highly selective" school. It just won't be quite as academically "selective" as it was before, and this comes with a very strange hitch.

Before, 100 percent of the school's kids came in as higher-achievers. Now, 75 percent of the school's kids will gain admission through high-achievement—and they'll be joined by a bunch of black and Hispanic kids who have to prove that they aren't good students in order to gain admission. The pre-existing high-achievers are joined by the Bad News Bears!

The micromanagers of District 3 think this will produce a good outcome. It seems to us that this semi-parodic plan was almost designed to engender racial stereotypes among this school's young students.

Seventy-five percent of the kids will be among Gotham's higher-achievers. They'll be joined by a bunch of kids who had to prove they were lower-performing in order to gain admission to the higher-performing school!

That strikes us as an odd approach! But as Hu explained in her report, all the District 3 proposals included this peculiar twist. In fairness, there's a reason for this state of affairs, which we'll explain below:
HU: The plan was chosen over three other options, which all aimed to give priority to low performing students but used different criteria. District school leaders initially unveiled a plan to focus on students who scored a 1 or 2—the lowest grade on a 1-to-4 scale—on state standardized English and math tests...

Other plans considered factors in addition to low test scores, such as course grades and the income level of the students at an elementary school.

The plan that was selected will set aside 25 percent of the seats at middle schools for students who qualify for free and reduced lunches, a widely accepted measure of poverty, and who are considered low performing based on their final fourth-grade English and math course grades and their scores on state English and math tests.
All the District 3 proposals "aimed to give priority to low performing students!" This would almost seem funny, if it didn't seem potentially sad.

Question! Why on earth would District 3 want to take such a peculiar approach? If the district wanted to admit more black and Hispanic kids to a "highly selective" school, why wouldn't it try to admit higher-achieving black and Hispanic kids? Why would it deliberately seek kids who were struggling students?

Answer! As Harris and Hu have explained in the past, it's against the law to admit kids to a public school based on race. Since District 3 wanted to admit more black and Hispanic kids, it had to find some way to get around the law.

Presto! How do you find black kids within the New York City Public Schools without asking if they're black? Simple! You look for kids with low grades and low test scores who went to low-income schools! You siphon these struggling students into a "highly selective" middle school—a school which is teaching an advanced course of study to a bunch of higher-performing kids, the majority of whom are white and Asian.

Does anyone think this makes sense? Does anyone think this makes sense as an academic matter? Does anyone think this makes sense as a way to engender good racial understandings and attitudes among these 11-year-old kids?

To us, this plan reads like something straight outta The Onion. In part, that'e because we understand how large the achievement gaps actually are:
Scores by percentiles
Grade 4 math, Naep, 2017
New York City Public Schools

90th percentile: 269.09
75th percentile: 251.60
50th percentile: 230.43
25th percentile: 207.50
10th percentile: 186.80
Oof! On the 2017 Grade 4 Naep, there was an 82-point "achievement gap" between Gotham's 90th percentile kids and those at the 10th percentile. There was a 44-point gap just between the 75th and the 25th percentiles.

By all standard rules of thumb, these gaps in achievement are huge. But so what? Under its Rube Goldberg "desegregation plan," District 3 will be introducing a bunch of black kids from below the 25th and 10th percentiles into a "highly selective" school full of white and Asian kids who are at and above the 90th.

Given the actual size of the gaps, this makes no academic sense. To our eye, it looks like a cauldron for the development of rotten racial ideas among this school's young kids.

To our eye, this plan seems like a parody dreamed by The Onion. Those lower-achieving black kids will not be able to take a couple of make-up classes, then succeed with Booker T. Washington's pre-existing curriculum.

Absent in-school tracking (and, thus, in-school "segregation"), this plan looks like a prescription for academic failure. It comes to us, live and direct, from the long-standing world of pseudo-liberal incomprehension and insouciance.

How do those achievement gaps get so wide by the end of fourth grade? That's the kind of question our tribe's favorite liberal stars never ask or discuss.

We liberals quit on low-income minority kids a very long time ago. We don't know much about their situations, and we don't seem to care. As a result, we come up with plans like this "two Americas" plan.

At present, the New York Times is very excited about two "desegregation plans" for the New York City Public Schools. One deals with the city's "specialized high schools."

This is the other plan.

In the high school plan, the mayor seems determined to start an ugly race war. He cares about the top 5%, ignores everyone else.

In the District 3 middle school plan, the do-gooders and micromanagers have launched a plan which would almost be comical—except that great kids are involved. New York City is full or great kids. They deserve much better adults.

In District 3, the micromanagers seem to believe that the new, low-achieving kids will take a couple of makeup classes and get in the swing of things. Despite one principal's silly pledge about "learning side by side," that isn't going to happen.

The micromanagers don't seem to understand the size of those gaps! Their plan is built on the pile of fantasies we've pimped for the past fifty years.

Those fantasies stem from our insouciance. For decades, our tribe hasn't cared.

Next week: Gaps and fantasies

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  1. "Does anyone think this makes sense?"

    Why, in the lib-zombie world where 'race' is everything, it sure does.

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  2. The stupidity of this plan boggles the mind. For a selective organization to select top performers but also select some bottom performers is a contradiction in terms.

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    1. On what basis are they bottom performers?

      Test scores? Oftentimes the best students -- the most intellectually engaged -- are not the ones who ace the performance routines. They know better!

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    2. @12:31 -- Yes, sometimes the selection process is inaccurate. But, that's not a reason to avoid selectivity altogether. Classes are taught at a certain level. It's not good for a student to be far above or far below the level of the class s/he's taking.

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  3. I think Bob's showing his Ivy League prejudice here in favor of the intrinsic value of grades and test scores.

    I doubt De Blasio is intending to put "poor" performing students in these schools. He just wants to de-emphasize the grade-grubbers and performance artists. Of which there are many now.

    Which btw was what the big goal was 50 years ago --- before the educational reactionaries took charge.

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  4. "this plan looks like a prescription for academic failure."

    "Looks like?" Since Somerby is doing advocacy journalism, that is, he is clearly taking sides against the plans being discussed in NYC, one wonders if Somerby could do better than surmise or go with his gut feeling. Can he point to any evidence to back up his fears?There is plenty of research about the positive effects of diversity on educational outcomes, going as far back as the Coleman report in 1966, which actually strongly correlated socioeconomic status with achievement more so than race, just as Sean Reardon's recent study has found. Coleman said: “The educational resources provided by a child’s fellow students are more important for his achievement than are the resources provided by the school board.” And: "a child’s performance is greatly benefited by going to a school with children who come from educationally stronger backgrounds.”

    And just because a plan "creates anger" doesn't necessarily imply the plan is bad. Abolishing slavery created "anger, division, and strife", but was worthwhile nonetheless.

    Ultimately, creating a large network of highly screened schools separates higher achievers from lower, which further degrades the quality of the schools which are not screened. They become filled with the lowest performers and some of the poorest kids. The screened school principals can point to the academic achievement of their schools as proof of the quality of their schools, a tautology, and the diminishing quality of the non-screened schools becomes more and more of a concern to local and state lawmakers looking to remake the schools.

    It is perhaps interesting to note that white-black and white-Hispanic achievement gaps have narrowed since 1978. Has Somerby mentioned that? At any rate, the focus in public schools really shouldn't be about achievement gaps, but about raising the academic achievement of students...all students.

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    1. "There is plenty of research about the positive effects of diversity on educational outcomes"

      Lying like.

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    2. Kike. Sorry, I can't believe my phone is still making this error.

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    3. "Ultimately, creating a large network of highly screened schools separates higher achievers from lower, which further degrades the quality of the schools which are not screened."

      How so? 'Homogeneous grouping' is pretty common (and commonsense) concept.

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    4. 1:07, It’s okay to “go with his gut feeling “ and “surmise” that this is not a good plan .

      You could say it’s the sort of plan by which the gods would amuse themselves by arranging circumstances that played to both the ruthlessness and piteousness of mortals.

      Except our immortals are a bunch of tinpot dictators who are waist-deep in blood.

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    5. " tinpot dictators who are waist-deep in blood."

      Relax, Cecelia. Cheney has retired.

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    6. Right. And JFK is dead.

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    7. So is Conservative morality.

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  5. Answer! As Harris and Hu have explained in the past, it's against the law to admit kids to a public school based on race. Since District 3 wanted to admit more black and Hispanic kids, it had to find some way to get around the law.

    As we stuff them into the cattle car, these filthy communists will no doubt have the sheer gall to ask 'why.'

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  7. Affirmative action at the college level is also destructive. Each college has been encouraged to admit black students who can't learn STEM at the level taught at that institution and reject Asians who can. Fortunately the Trump Administration is reportedly moving to stop encouraging colleges to discriminate racially.

    Trump Administration to Rescind Obama Guidelines on Race in College Admissions

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    WASHINGTON—The Trump administration is planning to rescind Tuesday a set of Obama-era policies that encourage the use of race in college admissions to promote diverse educational settings, according to two people familiar with the plans.

    The move comes as the Justice Department is investigating whether Harvard University is illegally discriminating against Asian-American students by holding them to a higher standard in its admissions process.



    https://www.wsj.com/articles/trump-administration-to-rescind-obama-era-guidelines-on-race-in-college-admissions-1530619273

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      Those totally not racist Trump voters are going to be pissed about this. LOL

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    Wow!!!! This is my testimony on how i won $775,000.00. on Mega millions lottery, The best thing that has ever happened in my life is how i win the lottery. I am a woman who believe that one day i will win the lottery.finally my dreams came through when i email Dr OCUSODO and tell him i need the lottery numbers. i have come a long way spending money on ticket just to make sure i win. But i never know that winning was so easy until the day i meant the spell caster online which so many people has talked about that he is very great in casting lottery spell with winning numbers, I contacted this man and he did the spell and he gave me the winning lottery numbers. But believe me when the draws were out i was among winners. This man is a very strong voodoo doctor who gives out the numbers that can never fail. Dr .OCUSODO truly you are the best, with these man you can win millions of money through lottery.email him: drocusodospellcaster@gmail.com or drocusodospellcaster@yahoo.com

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  17. My husband packed out of the house to live with another woman who he meet at work and he send me divorce papers. I did not want divorce because i love my husband very much and i dont want my family to break apart. I suspected the woman use a spell to tie my husband so he cannot return to his family. I was searching for tips on how to win my husband back and i come across a comment which says Dr Paul helped her to recover her husband back after several months of breakup and i took the email of Dr Paul that was present on the comment and emailed him about my problem and he replied back to me and help me to recover my husband back within two days and right now my husband is back with me and he is even more loving than before. You can also contact Dr Paul for help on his email: Astoriashrine@gmail.com or you can call and whatsapp him on +2349051441669. Dr Paul is the best spell caster and i am very happy to testify of his good work.

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  18. Thank you for your miracle Doctor Isikolo This article is dedicated to the Dr. Isikolo. I have been married with my wife for 6 years and recently she broke up with me and it hurt me deeply when she told me to leave her alone and that she does not love me anymore when i was always faithful and honest to her. I tried all the ways to get her back buying her what she wants like i always did and she still left me heart broken and she even has a new boyfriend which destroyed me even more until a friend of mine from high school directed me to this genuine spell Dr. Isikolo. This man changed my life completely. I followed everything he told me to do and my wife came back begging for me back. I was stunned everything happened exactly like he told me. I had faith in everything he told me and everything was true. Also he was there every moment until i got my happiness back and he also provides spells that cures impotence, bareness, diseases such as HIV/AID, Herpes, Cancer E.T.C. You can contact him via email at isikolosolutionhome@gmail.com whatsapp or Viber +2348133261196.

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  19. Hi every one i am Janet Jordan and i am from USA, I had a fight with my husband about three years ago and since then he has refuse to talk to me or even care about our family affair he abandoned us and went after another woman leaving me with three kids two girls and a boy,so last weeks a friend of my introduced me to a spell caster called Dr. Ozil who helped me brought my husband back many think he is a scam but i promise you that he is nothing compare to that not even close so if you have some problems in having or getting your ex back you can contact the great and wonderful spell caster Dr. Ozil in this address and he be willing to help you via: drozilsolutionhome@yahoo.com or drozilsolutionhome@outlook.com Call or WhatsApp: +2348161897826 View his website for more reviews about him: http://drozilsolutionhome.website2.me/

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  20. PERFECT LOTTERY SPELL THAT WORK FAST WITHIN 24 HOURS WITH DR. OCUSODO LOTTERY SPELL POWERS

    Wow!!!! This is my testimony on how i won $775,000.00. on Mega millions lottery, The best thing that has ever happened in my life is how i win the lottery. I am a woman who believe that one day i will win the lottery.finally my dreams came through when i email Dr OCUSODO and tell him i need the lottery numbers. i have come a long way spending money on ticket just to make sure i win. But i never know that winning was so easy until the day i meant the spell caster online which so many people has talked about that he is very great in casting lottery spell with winning numbers, I contacted this man and he did the spell and he gave me the winning lottery numbers. But believe me when the draws were out i was among winners. This man is a very strong voodoo doctor who gives out the numbers that can never fail. Dr .OCUSODO truly you are the best, with these man you can win millions of money through lottery.email him: drocusodospellcaster@gmail.com or drocusodospellcaster@yahoo.com

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  21. How I get back my ex-lover contact doctoroba for urgent and fast love spell and also beware of scams

    I never believed in spell casting but After 6 years of dating my ex-lover she broke up with me, I still imagine how doctroba brought my ex-lover back to me in just 48 hours. No one could have ever made me believe that there is a real spell caster that really works. Am robert anderson by name, I want to quickly tell the world that there is a real online spell caster that is powerful and genuine, His name is doctoroba, He helped me recently to reunite my relationship with my ex-lover who left me, When I contacted doctoroba he cast a love spell for me and my ex-lover who said she doesn't have anything to do with me again called me and started begging me. She is back now with so much love and caring. today I am glad to let you all know that this spell caster has the powers of bringing lovers back. because I am now happy with my lover, and the most surprising, is that our love is very strong, every day is happiness and joy. and there is nothing like been with the woman you love. I am so happy my love is back to me with the help of doctoroba if you have similar problem or you want to fix your broken relationship, stop divorce, get your ex back, get your divorce wife or husband back, I will advise you to contact him ,he is there to help you and put a smile on your face ask he did to me and others. his email: (doctorobaspellcenter@gmail.com or doctorluckyherbalhome@gmail.com) you can also contact him if you have any problems..

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  22. Powerful Effective Love Spell Get Your Ex Back About a month ago I got back to my ex(after 2 and half years separated).Everything was ok and she was the most adorable woman in the world. she spoke about wedding ceremony, how many kids we would have, said that our relationship was the most important thing in her life and she was 100% sure about it…Then he traveled to work in other country for 3 weeks. she changed his behavior completely. she disappeared every night, was saying she had to do some work and would talk to me later, but disappeared the rest of the day and night… no explanation, when I asked why she was disappearing every night, she stopped answering me. she’s ignoring me since last week, April 15. she ignored even my birthday, that was April 16. Not even a message. I wrote to her a few times trying to understand what happened, she read but just ignored me.I feel so bad cause I couldn’t stop contacting and trying to understand what happened.i loved her so much and wanted to get her back, then i was told to contact happylovespell2@gmail.com who can help out with a love spell to reunite your relationship back, so instantly do contact him and give him a try and trust me he did an urgent effective love spell for me and with in 48hours promise he made to me, my woman was back, today i testify to you all that you should seek and contact Dr happy for his spell result is genuine sure and guarantee unite and get your ex back save your marriage/relationship problem now,
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  23. Powerful Effective Love Spell Get Your Ex Back About a month ago I got back to my ex(after 2 and half years separated).Everything was ok and she was the most adorable woman in the world. she spoke about wedding ceremony, how many kids we would have, said that our relationship was the most important thing in her life and she was 100% sure about it…Then he traveled to work in other country for 3 weeks. she changed his behavior completely. she disappeared every night, was saying she had to do some work and would talk to me later, but disappeared the rest of the day and night… no explanation, when I asked why she was disappearing every night, she stopped answering me. she’s ignoring me since last week, April 15. she ignored even my birthday, that was April 16. Not even a message. I wrote to her a few times trying to understand what happened, she read but just ignored me.I feel so bad cause I couldn’t stop contacting and trying to understand what happened.i loved her so much and wanted to get her back, then i was told to contact happylovespell2@gmail.com who can help out with a love spell to reunite your relationship back, so instantly do contact him and give him a try and trust me he did an urgent effective love spell for me and with in 48hours promise he made to me, my woman was back, today i testify to you all that you should seek and contact Dr happy for his spell result is genuine sure and guarantee unite and get your ex back save your marriage/relationship problem now,
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  24. My name is Handford Ann,i base in canada.i want to share my wonderful testimony on how i got back my ex-lover of my life back, he left me for another woman for no reason and i try to make things work for both of us yet things where getting worse and i love him so much and there is nothing i could do to get my ex back until i met a testimony share by Maria from USA on the internet talking about a powerful spell caster who brought his ex lover back within 48hours and i decide to give it a try and to my greatest surprise he also did it for me just as he did for Maria and i have a lot of people complaining of fake spell caster but this one i met was a real spell caster who help me to solve my problem i have no solution to,i introduce many of my best friends that have a similar problems,and their problem were solve with the great help of Dr.Trust. They get back their ex within 48 hours. I am so happy that my ex is back to me again,and the most surprise,is that our love is very strong,every day is happiness and joy. and there is nothing like been with the man you love.i am so happy my love is back to me with the help of Dr.Trust. If you have any problem in your relationship i will advice you to contact him now (Ultimatespellcast@yahoo.com or Ultimatespellcast@gmail.com) His website for more testimony of him: http://utimatespellcast.blogspot.com Call or Text him now +1(317) 762-7416

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  25. OMG! Thank you so much Dr. OCUSODO for restoring back my Broken marriage for 3 years of total separation with my lovely husband cos of her mistress who use a spell on him to abandoned me and our kids. i have contacted so many casters online several times but be scammed. i saw a testimony on the internet of one Juliet testifying of your good work, i contacted you which you assured me just 48 hours for an instant result. Sir just same 48 hours as you promise my husband came back home begging for forgiveness to love and cherish i and the kids forever, am so happy and thankful to you Dr. OCUSODO,,,I am So Happy and Excited because as i am writing this Testimony, My husband is madly in love with me again. If there is any body Out there who is in Difficulties and need help should kindly Contact Dr. OCUSODO on His Email ID and he is Ready to Help you no matter the Situation,{drocusodospellcaster@gmail.com] or [drocusodospellcaster@yahoo.com] or WhatsApp or call him now: +2349067457724

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  26. It just occur to me that I have not done the right thing since when my husband came back to me, I am on this blog to give thanks to whom it deserve, Some couples of weeks ago my life was in a terrible shape because my husband left me and I never believe that I was going to get him back, But through the help of this powerful spell caster called Dr.Ekpen my life is now in a joyful mood, I must recommend the services of Dr.Ekpen to anyone out there that they should contact Dr.Ekpen through these details below: ( ekpentemple@gmail.com ) or whatsapp +2347050270218 because through Dr.Ekpen assistance my marriage was restored.

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  27. I want to use this opportunity to thank Dr Osauyi for helping me to win the lottery.I played this lottery for 6 years I never win. I was so upset and I needed help to win the lottery so I decided to go online where i saw so many good talk about this man called Dr Osauyi on how he have cast spell for people to win the lottery.I contact him also and told him I want to win a lottery he cast a spell and gave me lucky winning number which I use and I played and won 20million dollars .I am so grateful Dr Osauyi for helping me win the lottery incase you also need him to help you win, you can contact him through his email: Osauyilotteryspell@yahoo.com or call him on +2347064294395

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