TREMENDOUSLY DANGEROUS TIMES: May you live in tremendously dangerous times!

MONDAY, OCTOBER 29, 2018

But how did we get to this place?
Is Trump responsible, in some way, for recent appalling events?

Is he responsible, in some way, for the bombs which were sent in the mail to the people he constantly targets? Is he responsible for Saturday's synagogue murders?

Is he responsible for the two people who were shot and killed in Kentucky last week? Is Trump responsible, in some way, for these appalling events? For the other events which are sure to come?

In this morning's Washington Post, Hugh Hewitt performs his usual slippery evasions built upon technical accuracies. Below, you see the way his slippery column starts.

Nothing Hewitt says in this passage is obviously "false." Some of this is accurate:
HEWITT (10/29/18): After the arrest of a Florida man for sending homemade bombs to former president Barack Obama, former secretary of state Hillary Clinton and other Democratic leaders, many on the left—and not a few allegedly neutral reporters and pundits—predictably attempted to assign blame for his deranged and dangerous acts to President Trump. They pointed to “lock her up” chants at Trump’s noisy rallies, to the “fake news” charges and to a long list of Trump lines that left-wing activists and some mainstream media voices have categorized as beneath the dignity of the president.

The truth is the spectrum of violent behavior runs from the far-left extreme of the Bernie Sanders-supporting shooter at an Alexandria baseball field to last week’s mailing of pipe bombs to prominent Democrats to Saturday’s stomach-turning massacre at a Pittsburgh synagogue by a Trump-hating neo-Nazi, which made an already awful week even worse. That is the whole range of criminality at the fringes of American politics, a left-right full spectrum of angry, hate-filled obsessives. The threatening envelopes sent to both Sen. Susan Collins (R-Maine) and Vanessa Trump like those received by members of the media and no doubt by elected officials on the left, means crazy figures on the fringes of the far left and far right are a permanent part of the political terrain.
Some of that is accurate.

It's true that violent political behavior is perpetrated by disordered people on both the "left" and the "right." Presumably, it's also true that "[disordered] figures on the fringes of the far left and far right" are almost surely "a permanent part of the political terrain."

Something else is true. This sort of behavior, and its near cousins, long predates President Trump.

The gruesome mass shooting at Columbine occurred in April 1999, during the Bush-Gore campaign. It wasn't inspired by Trump.

Inevitably, the Columbine killings produced a ludicrous column in which Maureen Dowd criticized Candidate Gore for allegedly "telling everyone that he and Tipper just loved 'The Matrix.' " (Inevitably, Dowd included a jibe about Gore as "the Father of the Internet.") Inevitably, the liberal world just sat and accepted this Hewitt-esque drivel, as the liberal world would do right through the November 2000 election.

By now, gruesome mass murder by gunfire has become a familiar part of American culture. In a more explicitly political act, Lee Harvey Oswald committed an astonishing act of political murder all the way back in November 1963. Rather plainly, Donald J. Trump didn't inspire that act.

Parts of Hewitt's column are accurate. More striking is the way he skips past some of the events he describes. Let's return to that opening paragraph:
HEWITT: [F]ormer secretary of state Hillary Clinton and other Democratic leaders, many on the left—and not a few allegedly neutral reporters and pundits—predictably attempted to assign blame for his deranged and dangerous acts to President Trump. They pointed to “lock her up” chants at Trump’s noisy rallies, to the “fake news” charges and to a long list of Trump lines that left-wing activists and some mainstream media voices have categorized as beneath the dignity of the president.
Hewitt blows past the amazing fact of those "Lock her up" chants at Trump's rallies. The rallies in question are "noisy," he says, inserting a word meant to undercut the remarkable nature of the behavior he describes—behavior Trump has cheered on for several years.

We've shown you Hewitt's opening paragraphs. From there, he moves to an amazingly technical discussion of what constitutes "incitement" under criminal law.

Soon, Hewitt is saying that President Clinton is the one who started this moral/intellectual mess. Clinton blamed Rush for Oklahoma City, the slick Post employee declares:
HEWITT: An early effort to link political violence to a political figure unrelated to it was President Bill Clinton’s assigning blame for the Oklahoma City bombing to Rush Limbaugh and talk radio. “We hear so many loud and angry voices in America today whose sole goal seems to be to try to keep some people as paranoid as possible and the rest of us all torn up and upset with each other,” Clinton claimed. “They spread hate. They leave the impression that, by their very words, that violence is acceptable.” This speech set off endless rounds of seeking-to-assign-blame for violence and threats of violence to disfavored political speech. It was a low stunt by Clinton, a smear of people with whom he disagreed, but the tactic has lived on.
As usual in this disordered world, it turns out to be Bill Clinton's fault!

That said, how strange! In the news report to which Hewitt links, Clinton doesn't cite Limbaugh or anyone else by name. In fact, the news report specifically notes that Clinton named no individuals as he complained about those "loud and angry voices."

There were no rallies in which Bill Clinton prodded foolish supporters to call for Limbaugh's arrest. A slippery fellow named Hugh Hewitt was slithering down a familiar path even as he quoted Clinton making blindingly accurate statements.

Along the way, Hewitt makes other accurate statements. As he parses the technical meaning of "incitement," he accurately describes recent behavior by some people who aren't Donald Trump:
HEWITT: We are now arguing over what is properly considered “incitement” to violent action of all segments of that fringe. Consider the moron who accosted Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) and Labor Secretary Elaine Chao in a Louisville restaurant, or the mobs that chased Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Tex.) and his wife or Homeland Security Secretary Kirstjen Nielsen or Stephen Miller from their eateries: Who is responsible for inciting that behavior? For the physical attacks on two GOP candidates in Minnesota? For the Portland Antifa gang harassing motorists and a woman in a wheelchair? The reasonable apprehension of physical violence is assault, not free speech. Who is responsible for the assaults and the far worse violence of the bombs and the shootings?

Is it Rep. Maxine Waters (D-Calif.), who explicitly called for confronting Trump officials in public places? Former attorney general Eric H. Holder Jr., who urged that when Republicans “go low, we kick them”? Hillary Clinton, who questioned the very idea of civility towards the GOP? Sanders and his “fight back” campaign and the rhetoric of class warfare that is a fixture of his rallies?
It's true! Waters, Holder and Hillary Clinton recently made those statements, which strike us as unwise.

(You'll note that Hewitt couldn't come up with an actual statement by Sanders to criticize. Given long-standing, current rules of the road, the slick evader seemed to feel that he had to throw Sanders in.)

In this morning's slithery column, Hewitt displays who he is. He never attempts to parse the difference between training people to chant "Lock her up" and instructing supporters to "fight back" in the political realm.

"Enemies of the people?" The term doesn't appear in Hewitt's column. Presumably, this remarkable rhetoric belongs to the "long list of Trump lines that left-wing activists and some mainstream media voices have categorized as beneath the dignity of the president." So it goes when pundits like this are evasive all the way down.

Hewitt's slick evasions are part of the culture of modern American discourse. If it's accurate statements we want, this gruesome culture was firmly in place long before Trump swapped his brain-dead TV clowning for a role in the political world.

This slippery culture was firmly in place by March 1999, when coverage of the Bush-Gore campaign began. It had locked into place during the pursuit of the Whitewater pseudo-scandals—and in the way this slippery culture was directed at both Clintons and then at Candidate Gore, it was an artifact of the mainstream press at least as much as of the "right-wing noise machine."

During the twenty months of Campaign 2000, Maureen Dowd was a major part of that culture. If possible, TV talker Chris Matthews was worse.

In a demonstration of our greatest skill, we liberals just sat there and took it. As this culture spread and took hold, things got so bad that a fellow like Trump was able to slip-slide into the White House, with multimillionaire corporate liberals playing it safe every step of the way.

(Good God. In July 2016, Comey's attack on Candidate Clinton was strongly endorsed, for two straight nights, on Rachel Maddow's show! But dearest darlings, use your heads! Comey was a long-standing establishment god. It was careers in the balance!)

"May you live in interesting times!" It's often said that this is an ancient Chinese curse.

Apparently, that story is wrong. That said, we're all living today in deeply dangerous times. Given the role of our new tribal technologies, it isn't clear to us that we'll ever be able to find our way out of this dangerous place.

How did we get to this dangerous place? We'll ponder that question all week. Tomorrow, we'll start with Jim Rutenberg, the New York Times' media analyst, as he quotes Stephen Pinker in today's lengthy piece.

Did the press corps get played again this past week? That's what Pinker has said.

Tomorrow: As seen through the lens of the Times

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  2. "That said, we're all living today in deeply dangerous times."

    Well, these times are the times of deep crisis of the western liberal (often described as 'neoliberal') globalist order.

    Obviously, this liberal-globalist order was mostly developed during the 1990s, so the demigod Bubba, albeit mostly a figurehead, is somewhat responsible; there's no way around that. It is, however, much bigger than any individual, no matter how high-placed.

    The liberal-globalist order is collapsing right before our eyes, and, should the Trump revolution be defeated, we will, no doubt, see more violent convulsions... Oh well...

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    1. Hopefully the lib zombies will be tied up with their Halloween haunted house duties for a few weeks and we can have a respite from the horrible violence they've caused by their refusal to accept the reality of the successful Trump presidency.

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    2. Name one example of how the "liberal-globalist order" is collapsing. Seems to me Trump's world is collapsing.

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    3. If indeed Trump's world was collapsing, his rallies probably wouldn't be attracting tens of thousands of people in multiple states.

      And so this comment of yours, dembot, is just another confirmation of the fact that your cult is completely disoriented and paralyzed, lost in the woods...

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    4. "Trump revolution"= "neo-liberal globalists polluting our land, air and water for another nickel of profits"

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    5. I bet mao has a gab account...who is this guy??

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    6. Yes, polluting, getting the industries back. You got it, dembot.

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    7. 12:13,
      I don't know who Mao is, but there is no doubt he loves the Establishment Elites, that's for sure.

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    8. "Getting the industries back"...that will be where Trump's appeal rises or falls. We already see indications of trouble, but will he suffer GW Bush's fate? Time will tell, but history does not lead us to be sanguine about Trump's long term effectiveness.

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    9. Time will tell, indeed. But like I said, if this attempt fails, the crisis will deepen, contradictions sharpen, and the current troubles will be seen as the good old times in comparison...

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    10. This is a good and decent country for the most part. Little snot-nosed anarchist shitstained losers like Mao yearning for violence will always be gravely disappointed.

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    11. The business world might bring back some jobs if we let them pollute our land, air, and water.
      They seem nice, for extortionists.

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    12. May I name you 'cranky-curmudgeon-dembot', dembot?

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  3. Somerby's remarks would be better if he had begun by expressing some sympathy for the family and friends of those murdered. Deaths of people killed for no other reason than their religion deserve some acknowledgement before one goes on to dispassionately analyze whether it is all Hillary's fault, as claimed by the right, or whether Limbaugh shares some of the blame.

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    1. It literally goes without saying.

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    2. No, it needs to be said aloud, because that is how we change the tenor of our times.

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  4. Does see no difference between the indiscriminate killing committed by bullied teens, aggrieved gen-X incels, schizophrenic loners and political terrorists? The acts are the same but the motives are very different. Those Columbine shooters most likely had no idea who Al Gore was.

    No one blamed the Catholic church when a schizophrenic man decided that abortion clinics were committing genocide against Catholics, despite his exposure to propaganda. On the other hand, Trump deliberately whips up his crowds, sics them on the press and his political enemies, and shows no dismay when they commit violence, from beating people in the parking lot to shooting up a pizza parlor, to these recent tragedies. His irresponsibility in the face of existing, ongoing violence is to blame. Trump mentions a name, like Blasey Ford, and she gets death threats from his supporters. Now we see that there are also, increasingly murder attempts coming from his followers. That is brown-shirt thuggery. It needs to be addressed explicitly for what it is and Trump (and the GOP) need to take responsibility for what they are doing -- on purpose.

    Why can't Somerby say that, instead of complaining about Hewitt's mistaken bothsiderism?

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    1. Trump doesn't whip anyone up. Globalist leftists whip them up and Trump agrees they must not win more power. No one is going to stop criticizing leftists just because they invent a cause and effect relationship to events. Everyone knows the real cause of the violence and division is Democrat mob rage.

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    2. But does everyone know that the "immigrant caravan" is nothing to be afraid of?

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    3. Give each and every one of these immigrants a firearm, so they can assimilate to their new country.

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  5. Is it really the worst of times? Hewitt says that last week was an awful week. Why? Because of a bunch of pipe bombs which didn't? That postman might as well have gone for a soda, because nobody drowned and nobody died. A few people may have staggered over to a fainting couch.

    Then the "awful" week got "even worse". Why? Because of 11 deaths? So the week before when over 300 people were murdered was a perfectly decent week? And the week before that when another 300+ were murdered was also okay, but this last one was truly awful.

    According to my alleged math skills an average of 332 murders took place every year in 2017, with a number of those victims being under 10 years old. Does that make this "dangerous times"? This article talks about how common gun violence is these days https://www.cincinnati.com/story/news/2018/02/21/taking-aim-kids-245-juveniles-were-shot-cincinnati-over-7-years/1059636001/

    It makes no mention of the rather stunning fact that in the good old days, like the year I graduated from high school (1980) there were an average of 443 homicides per week. The times seem significantly less dangerous than fairly recent past.

    What we seem to have more of these days is hyperventilating essays.

    Then again, Dickens complains of the same thing.

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    1. "Ordinary" homicides are troubling, but the concern about last week's violence is that it seems to be inflamed by powerful forces in our society specifically targeting certain groups. That should be worrying, and merits a bit more than cursory attention.

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    2. Legal pot and free porn are bringing violent crime stats down and sales of the crunchy cheese flavored snacks up!

      God bless this mess!!!!!

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  6. Somerby has constantly asked that the mainstream media ask "the others" what they think (despite the fact that they do it almost continuously). Well, here it is. Hewitt is giving us the current Republican view. I heard this almost word for word unprompted from my wife's Fox-watching sister, about the incivility coming from the left, like those women who forced Jeff Flake to listen to them on an elevator, and how they must have been funded by Soros.

    The Post and Times presumably view themselves as non-partisan, and to "prove" it, they bring us "both sides" in their op ed pages.

    Fox feels no need to hide its partisanship. Liberals/Democrats have no similar outlet. I know that Somerby is making an appropriate critique of Dowd and the mainstream media in general, but I have a hard time knowing how Democrats can forcibly change the mainstream media's behavior. A truly consequential "liberal" news outlet is a difficult thing to achieve.

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  7. Your rhetoric is hypocritical and hollow when you endorse, make your own, the lie that "Lee Harvey Oswald committed an astonishing act of political murder all the way back in November 1963." Among the undisputed facts are that (1) there was absolutely no evidence (or, as the T-man said about his own inciting statements, "no proof of anything") that Oswald ever killed anyone or attempted to do so; (2) there was absolutely no evidence that the Italian carbine Oswald was said to have brought with him disguised as curtain rods was a weapon used, or that even could have been used, as a lethal part of the assassination (3) Oswald, unlike any politically-motivated assassin in history, not only denied rather than justified the act but actually admitted that he had been used in the assassination plot as (in his own words) "just a patsy" (ie., designated fall-guy) (4) Oswald himself was the victim of a state-enabled political assassination in police fetters at the hand of a mafioso killer and police-payoff bagman (passed off as a "police buff" in all the media) (5) The men at the head of the US's murder apparatus, including the leaders of the FBI (official) and CIA (de facto), killers like Hoover and Dulles, hated JFK and had plenty of motive, means, and (thanks to LBJ's Texas operations) opportunity to carry out the dirty deed. (6) The "Commission" set up by LBJ to frame Oswald , under the man most responsible (apart from the sainted FDR) for the racist,arbitrary, and illegal imprisonment of hundreds of thousands of innocent Americans, was such a transparent whitewash of all the government agencies involved as itself to constitute definitive proof that the "patsy," Oswald, was indeed innocent.

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    1. Not really. What are the chances he would get a job at the School Book Depository before the motorcade was even planned? You could never pull off a conspiracy like you suggest and not have someone at some point in time say something about it. So relax, take another bong hit, put on some Santana, chill out for a little bit. Everything is going to be all right.

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    2. My comment was directed to Mr. Somersby, not to any of the anonymous types trolling on this site.

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    3. Now if we could just figure out who 'Somersby' is...

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    4. Shane - toke up some more dude. It'll be alright.

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  9. IMHO nobody knows what motivates the crazy people who commit political violence. There's no way to prove whether some horrendous act was affected by some particular statement. I could put down my guesses, but they'd be POOMA, just like everyone else's guesses.

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    1. The Party of Accountability strikes again!

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    2. 2:39,
      The media has been interviewing "economically anxious" Right-wingers like these guys for almost two years, trying to explain how they think. Sure, the Pittsburgh shooter targeted a minority population with violence, but the only thing we can really know about him is that he's not a bigot, and calling him one will only lose Democrats elections.

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    3. The Pittsburgh shooter is a moron. The nonstop Wurlitzer of Right-wing lies about the Soros-funded immigrant caravan bringing criminals to take over our country, is supposed to get him excited to vote for oligarchs, not kill Jews.

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  11. Two news items:
    1. Doe et al v. The Trump Corporation et al (1:18-cv-09936) filed this morning

    2. Gallup: Trump weekly job approval plummets eight net points, falling to 40-54 (was 44-50 last week).

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    1. Ah, the meaningless gallup poll of 'all US adults', illegal immigrants included. Brilliant.

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    2. Ah yes, more good news for the mythical economically anxious trump voters sitting in their Midwest diners.

      A civil RICO suit against the criminally corrupt tax cheat/fraud lying sack of shit flimflam man and his idiot tower trash family.

      Because, who else would you trust, amirite?

      Bonus, for President Chickenshit - another bloody day for the stock market as hard working people watch their 401K evaporate right before their eyes.
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  12. Nuclear reactors don't produce carbon dioxide.

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/michaelshellenberger/2018/10/29/top-climate-scientists-warn-governments-of-blatant-anti-nuclear-bias-in-latest-ipcc-climate-report/#4b4bf7873973

    Eugene Ormandy conducts the Philadelphia Orchestra performing The Grand Canyon Suite by Ferde Grofé:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xe7wC-HG6RQ

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  13. Is Trump responsible, in some way, for recent appalling events? Yes. Next question.

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  14. Somerby's fury burns with the heat of a thousand suns...against Bill de Blasio as he tries to improve failing schools. When it comes to Trump, Mr Somerby grows far more circumspect and inclined to weigh the evidence. Perhaps his fury at liberals saps his ability to feel fury towards anyone else.

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    1. Why, I get the impression that his whole point is that it's exactly the zombie cult leaders a-la Bill de Blasio who have paved the road for Donald The Incomparable. Do you agree, dembot?

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    2. It was Reagan, bigotry and voter suppression, which paved the road for the Trump Presidency.

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  15. Want to talk about tribalism? Why aren't Republicans talking about the Yemen genocide, surely a larger threat than their disagreements with Jews on whether the Geneva code of asylum applies to Central Americans.

    They've been quite tuned into the situation there in the past. But what has changed?

    I'll quote one of their leading figures, Ben Shaprio in FrontPageMag April 2015:

    In fact, in President Obama's world, Yemen is a shining example of American foreign policy at work. Just months ago, Obama used Yemen as his paradigm of functional anti-terrorism; two days ago, Obama's press secretary, Josh Earnest, said that Yemen "did serve as a sort of template for the kind of strategy that we would employ to mitigate the threat from extremists around the world." Earnest claimed that the Obama administration's anti-terror policy in Yemen helped to "stabiliz[e] the country so extremists can't use it to plot against the West." Last month, the American embassy closed in Yemen, with its Marine guard evacuated without its weapons.

    https://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/254702/secret-life-barack-obama-ben-shapiro

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  18. It's obviously a tribute to how important The Daily Howler's
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    always ripe for printing.

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