Kevin Drum posts a beautiful photo...

SATURDAY, JULY 4, 2020

Many others are seven years old:
Kevin Drum has posted a beautiful photograph. Behind that beautiful photograph lies a sudden medical mystery.

The photograph pictures Kevin's mother. As we've noted in the past, the human face is deeply expressive.

We're told that no one lives forever. This claim is notoriously hard to prove. For today, we'll accept it as fact.

Assuming that claim is actually true, Kevin's mother, like many others, is nearer the end of her lifespan, and farther from its beginning. With recovery, she may have many more years of painting and swimming and speaking with her son.

At the same time, many others around the world, and around the country, are only 7 years old. Barring unforeseen disaster, they have many years ahead.

Of all our reading in recent weeks, we continue to think, most above all, about the 7-year-old boy who was "terrified" by the things his mother had told him. More on that matter below.

Meanwhile, this was Lincoln, shortly before his own death, making one of the most unusual public statements in human history in his Second Inaugural Address:
Neither party expected for the war the magnitude or the duration which it has already attained...Each looked for an easier triumph, and a result less fundamental and astounding.

Both read the same Bible, and pray to the same God; and each invokes His aid against the other. It may seem strange that any men should dare to ask a just God's assistance in wringing their bread from the sweat of other men's faces; but let us judge not that we be not judged.

The prayers of both could not be answered; that of neither has been answered fully.

The Almighty has His own purposes. "Woe unto the world because of offences! for it must needs be that offences come; but woe to that man [sic] by whom the offence cometh!"

If we shall suppose that American Slavery is one of those offences which, in the providence of God, must needs come, but which, having continued through His appointed time, He now wills to remove, and that He gives to both North and South this terrible war as the woe due to those by whom the offence came, shall we discern therein any departure from those divine attributes which the believers in a Living God always ascribe to Him?

Fondly do we hope—fervently do we pray—that this mighty scourge of war may speedily pass away. Yet, if God wills that it continue until all the wealth piled by the bond-man's two hundred and fifty years of unrequited toil shall be sunk, and until every drop of blood drawn with the lash shall be paid by another drawn with the sword, as was said three thousand years ago, so still it must be said: "the judgments of the Lord are true and righteous altogether."
It's hard to edit that very short speech. You might want to read the whole thing.

We well recall the day we first read that Second Inaugural Address. We were standing inside the Lincoln Memorial, roughly 45 years ago, with a whole bunch of fifth grade kids.

We recall being shocked by what we saw Lincoln had said. Specifically, we remember thinking that Abraham Lincoln wasn't human—that Lincoln had come here from Mars.

Our side—we—did this too, this unusual person had said:

If we lose everything as a result, no one can say that this terrible outcome wouldn't be righteous and just.

As history teaches, no one who says such things out loud is ever permitted to live. Six weeks later, Lincoln was gone, and more brutal history followed.

That said, today's 7-year-olds played no part in any of those events. They deserve the chance to move on. They deserve not to be terrified.

Next week, as we hope for better news from Kevin's home, we plan to discuss the specific events which led to four people's deaths. We think there's a lot to learn from those awful events, and from some numbers too.

Should that 7-year-old be terrified in the way his mother described? Each person will decide that for him or herself. For ourselves, we think you should consider the possibility that the answer is no.

Lincoln knew that unspeakable harm had some, might continue to come, from the terrible offense he described. That terrible harm continues today. How might that harm be lessened?

We hope that Kevin's mother recovers. Concerning our many 7-year-olds, we'll hope they soon feel better too.

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  1. Somerby has no shame. Using Kevin Drum's mother's illness as a hook for today's complaint is beneath contempt.

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    1. His cavalier, "we've all got to die someday" attitude is very much like what the conservatives are saying. Live with it, get used to it, Trump says.

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    2. Here's a famous Woody Guthrie song lyric:

      "Of course when he says we, he means you and he means me, but not old [Donny]..."

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    3. TDH says he plans to discuss the deaths of four people, saying "We think there's a lot to learn from those awful events...."

      Either you don't know what "cavalier" means or you didn't bother to read the blog entry.

      Neither would surprise me.

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    4. definition of cavalier: showing a lack of proper concern; offhand

      Somerby said:

      "We're told that no one lives forever. This claim is notoriously hard to prove. For today, we'll accept it as fact.

      Assuming that claim is actually true, Kevin's mother, like many others, is nearer the end of her lifespan, and farther from its beginning. "

      And then he went on to equate this woman's death with the fear instilled in a 7 year old who hears a talk from parents that is scary to him.

      That is cavalier and I did use the word properly.

      Somerby shows about as much empathy for Kevin Drum as Trump does for anyone other than himself.

      It is a good thing that Somerby became a stand up comedian because it permitted him to disguise his lack of empathy as "humor" but when he writes his essays here, it becomes very obvious that he lacks feeling.

      Same with you, deadrat, except you hide behind venom instead of humor.

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    5. I can't say prove you're wrong because I have no good way to assess the emotion behind the words. I might if I could hear Somerby speak them; I might if I could ask him if your assessment is correct. But I can't, and neither can you. What we're both left with is the words on a screen.

      Is it true that Drum's mother is nearer her death than her birth? Almost certainly. Drum is 62, so his mother is likely in her eighties. Does Somerby show no concern for the ill woman? Well, he says, "We hope that Kevin's mother recovers."

      He also has the same wish that terrified 7-year olds recover from their misery as well. How do any of those words qualify as flippant?

      We know that Somerby likes Drum, calling Drum his favorite blogger and calling out Drum's writing on lead abatement as particularly good work. What evidence do you have that Somerby would treat someone he admires so dismissively?

      The answer is none. The attitude that you ascribe to Somerby lives in your head, not his. And considering, professor, that what's inside heads is supposed to be your profession, I'd think you'd employ little more insight.

      It's different with me. I have no feelings, and I've admitted that plenty of times in this forum. I also don't care about your feelings. Of course, you have no way to prove these contentions either, but in this case, it's fair to take someone at his word. In the law, it's called admission against interest.

      "Venom" is a little strong, dontchathink? You don't read the blog entries so much as read into them. Your ignorance is constantly on display, as is your animus for the blogger. Both your standard for evidence and your logic are wanting.

      Pointing out these things is to criticize what you write, not who you are. Do you believe that because everyone is entitled to an opinion, every opinion is entitled to respect?

      Because I don't. That goes for Somerby's and mine.

      And yours.

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    6. I reckon Somerby and his lone fanboy get awfully literal when it is convenient for their defense of nonsense. More power to them. That is why Somerby is stuck at the one fanboy. Suddenly plausible deniability has sway at TDH!

      There is nothing remarkable or praise-worthy about the Lincoln quote. Lincoln is no hero, and his equivocating in that circumstance was neither effective nor brave nor helpful nor insightful; it was cowardly in my judgement and we live even now in the shadow of Reconstruction.

      LORDY SOMERBY AND HIS FANBOY ARE FUCKING ASSHOLES

      Hallelujah!

      Whether Somerby was cavalier or not is a matter of judgement. I do not think Somerby has Asperger's like some of his commenters, so I would judge his take on Drum's mom as pretty DISGUSTINGLY cavalier - if a friend spoke of my mom (god rest her soul - she died of cancer from radiation exposure at ORNL) in that manner, I would be hurt because that is not how normal people speak about others in such circumstances.

      "My mom is sick, might be dying"

      "Well no one lives for ever"

      um yeah THAT IS FUCKING COLD

      This is fucking obvious to anyone and everyone, even if the local troll suffers from Asperger's. Somerby is a SICK FUCK.

      I admit, when he did it to Michael Kelly, I did not mind. SEE IF YOU CAN SPOT THE DIFFERENCE.

      THE UNIVERSE IS LARGELY A ZERO SUM GAME, Somerby seems to want to deny this. To make society reasonably equitable, some are going to lose things like wealth and power.

      but but but if only they knew that we spend double blah blah blah. THEY DO NOT FUCKING CARE YOU DO THE RIGHT THING-SMILEY-WANNABE.

      People who vote for Republicans ARE NEVER GOING TO VOTE BASED ON MATERIAL NEEDS, IT IS CULTURAL IDENTITY AND RACISM ALL THE WAY DOWN.

      Jesus, help these poor lost souls.

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    9. I reckon Somerby and his lone fanboy

      Huh? Oh. I guess that's me. I'm also guessing that "fanboy" just means someone you disagree with about a TDH blog entry.

      ... get awfully literal when it is convenient for their defense of nonsense.

      Not when it's convenient, but when there's no basis for wild interpretation.

      There is nothing remarkable or praise-worthy about the Lincoln quote. Lincoln is no hero, and his equivocating in that circumstance was neither effective nor brave nor helpful nor insightful; it was cowardly in my judgement

      Hmm. Lincoln says that slavery was an offense before God, who has inflicted the punishment of war on both sides, North and South, as parties responsible for the offense. Now you can disagree here that both sides were responsible, although I doubt you could make a reasonable case for that proposition. All the founders agreed to the incorporation of slavery into the system, and everybody profited from it. Except the slaves, of course. In any case, there's no equivocation here.

      and we live even now in the shadow of Reconstruction.

      So we do. And I suppose you're ready to lay that at Lincoln's feet?

      LORDY SOMERBY AND HIS FANBOY ARE FUCKING ASSHOLES

      OK, fair cop where I'm concerned. But what's your problem here, Sparky? It's a comment section in a blog nobody reads. Why the spittle-flecked capitals?

      Whether Somerby was cavalier or not is a matter of judgement. ... I would judge his take on Drum's mom as pretty DISGUSTINGLY cavalier - if a friend spoke of my mom (god rest her soul - she died of cancer from radiation exposure at ORNL) in that manner, I would be hurt because that is not how normal people speak about others in such circumstances.

      Ah. Your judgment. You would be hurt. Fine. You're entitled to your judgment, just like everybody else including fucking assholes. (Sorry, FUCKING ASSHOLES). But this isn't about you, Sparky.

      "My mom is sick, might be dying"
      "Well no one lives for ever"

      um yeah THAT IS FUCKING COLD
      This is fucking obvious to anyone and everyone....


      How about

      "My colleague's mom is sick, might be dying. Although she's quite old, and we all realize that nobody lives forever, with recovery she might have many more years with her son. We hope she recovers."

      I'm not going to insult you, Sparky, by pretending to care about your mother. But do you think her death might have affected your judgment a tad? Did she really raise a son to be this big a judgmental jerk?

      People who vote for Republicans ARE NEVER GOING TO VOTE BASED ON MATERIAL NEEDS, IT IS CULTURAL IDENTITY AND RACISM ALL THE WAY DOWN.

      Oh, for fuck's sake, quit shouting. I can hear your nonsense just fine in normal capitalization. The core of the Republican Party is the grifters, whose sole motivation is their own material needs. Because their policies impoverish and kill everybody else, to stay in power they need to convince the christofascists and the former dixiecrats to march with them. Theocratic fanaticism and white supremacy are the means to that end.

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  2. "They deserve not to be terrified."

    Somerby apparently thinks that black parents are terrifying their kids for no good reason. That's because he doesn't believe that black adults live in fear whenever they have an encounter with police. The very real danger inherent in such encounters needs to stop -- not the way that black parents talk to their kids *in order to protect them*.

    Over evolutionary time, fear has kept us safe. The members of our species who paid attention to their fear have descendants. Those who felt none or ignored their fear, didn't live to procreate. Covid-19 shows us that fear is still relevant, even in times when many dangers have been eliminated or greatly reduced. Now there is real danger from this virus but too many people across the country think fear is emasculating instead of a necessary survival mechanism that tells us when to wear that damn mask!

    But just as conservatives ignore that threat, they mock the fears of parents about other real dangers that exist for them, if not for white folks like Somerby lounging in the shade of his pear tree and musing about what Abraham Lincoln meant when he supposedly blamed the North for the Civil War.

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    1. Of course black parents instill abject fear into their children. That is the way that all things are framed nowadays. Duress is the dictate.

      In this millennium, all imperatives that current day liberals place upon us involve insurmountable coercion.

      You must fear for your life in both the concrete and abstract sense, while simultaneously understanding that resistance to our current societal benefactors will not be countenanced.

      The inevitable result of these intransigent imperatives is most direly represented in videos of people driving thru mobs of social justice protestors who attempt to stop their vehicles so as to damage them and to terrorize and possibly physically harm the people inside.

      Defending your life, your property, or the law in general is often an untenable situation in which to find yourself. It has now been made exponentially worse by the imperative that decries it sinister to mount a defense.

      The onus is utterly on you and the solution to the problem is your complete capitulation to the latest argument, method, and demand.

      There’s no tolerance of anything less. No one will escape.

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    2. Cecelia,
      So this is basically climate change, and trying to defend your way of life is frowned upon, because it might reduce the profits of our betters.

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    3. "The inevitable result of these intransigent imperatives is most direly represented in videos of people driving thru mobs of social justice protestors who attempt to stop their vehicles so as to damage them and to terrorize and possibly physically harm the people inside."

      Exactly how many people anywhere in the nation were pulled from their cars and beaten by protesters?

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    4. Let no one ever say that our Cecelia is worthless. She's the embodiment of the adage, "They also serve who only stand as bad examples."

      70% of the population is our Cecelia's race; over 75% is her religion. They own everything, too. The median household wealth for white households is twelve times that of black households. True, her political faction is in the minority, but even so it controlled all three branches of government for two of the last four years, and all but half the legislative for the other two.

      Even as her cult hero threatens the press, undermines every institution of democracy, outs whistleblowers, fires inspectors general, encourages violence against his opponents, and continually flouts the law he's sworn to protect while releasing an American Kripo on those he hates, what does our Cecelia howl?

      "I'm the victim here! I'm not even allowed to defend myself!"

      She listens to some of her fellow citizens tell her, "I live in daily fear for my life and the lives of my children" and what's her response?

      "How dare you feel that way! That's just the coercion talking!"

      Her side holds the whip hand under the shadow of monuments to traitors and slavers, but those who object are the ones demanding her "complete capitulation."

      To what? Understanding and equity?

      Never mind. Just remember that our Cecelia is the victim here.

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    5. . Oh, yes. Those are my choices aren’t they.

      Since you mentioned it, I’ll address the only thing that I could possibly be talking about: statues!

      My lineage is replete with people who got themselves or other people killed by championing a hideous cause I’m neither proud of them or ashamed. You could take every statue to a Confederate anything and throw it in the ocean as far as I’m concerned. It’s overdue. However, that ought to be a decision made democratically by the locals.

      Try voicing that sentiment without the fodder for an anger-management course calling you privileged or a racist. Try doing it in the public square.

      Just in case, you think that being denigrated by blog board gunslingers is the only cost I could face for that opinion, you’d be wrong.

      As to fearing for my life, I don’t. Not even when I’m told that the planet depends upon me fearing for my life. Not even when it’s the COVID-19.

      I do fear living in a world where every choice is so devastatingly definitive as to be one of life or death.i can’t take comfort in the fact that you don’t understand that isn’t just for me, but also for thee.

      And speaking of me and thee, when I told Corby that it was laughable emotional duress for her to argue that Somerby should ascribe to her pronouncement that the “walking dead” was off-limits as an analogy during a pandemic, you turned up your scold dial to eleven.

      I said nothing about not caring about her feelings in general. But then that was me. Not thee.



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    6. You are a confused puppy.

      Medicare for all and greater democracy for workers do not "involve insurmountable coercion".

      The natural conclusion of Republican (and neoliberal) policies leads to a life where you are always one wrong step away from total catastrophe.

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    7. Statues! Why didn't you say so?

      No, really, why didn't you mention this in the comment I replied to? Probably because the comment that you replied to didn't mention statues either. But, my bad, let's make it all about statues.

      Just in case, you think that being denigrated by blog board gunslingers is the only cost I could face for that opinion, you’d be wrong.

      First, I think the cost of being denigrated on a blog comment section, particularly this comment section is exactly $0.00. So what other costs do you face? Are friendless and alone in expressing your opinion? I don't think so. Your allies are everywhere. Just look for people holding tiki torches and chanting "Jews will not replace us!"

      As to fearing for my life, I don’t. ... Not even when it’s the COVID-19.

      Are laboring under the misconception that I object to christofascists, feral Trumpers, and assorted science deniers having no fear of COVID-2? That's just good old Darwinian thinning of the herd, no?

      I do fear living in a world where every choice is so devastatingly definitive as to be one of life or death.

      Wait a minute. I thought we were talking about statues. What's this every choice thing? I pretty much decide for myself what choices are critical to my life. My lucky circumstances are partly responsible for that, but who's dictating your own choices?

      You could take every statue to a Confederate anything and throw it in the ocean as far as I’m concerned. It’s overdue. However, that ought to be a decision made democratically by the locals.

      That's mostly what's happened, as governors, legislatures, and city councils have acted to remove monuments to traitors and slavers. Do you think BLM activists unilaterally changed the Mississippi state flag?

      And speaking of me and thee, when I told Corby that it was laughable emotional duress for her to argue that Somerby should ascribe to her pronouncement that the “walking dead” was off-limits as an analogy during a pandemic, you turned up your scold dial to eleven.

      Turning the dial past the red zone sure sounds like me. Defending the professor, not so much. I've used the google to look for TDH blog entries with our comments on the walking dead. I came up empty. Give me a pointer, and I'll take a look. If I was unfair to you, I'll apologize.

      I said nothing about not caring about her feelings in general. But then that was me. Not thee.

      So I did say something about caring for her feelings in general? That certainly doesn't sound like me. I don't have any feelings, so I'm unmoved by people whose argument amounts to "Your hurt my fee-fees." But tell me what I wrote.

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    8. So I did say something about caring for her feelings in general? That certainly doesn't sound like me. I don't have any feelings, so I'm unmoved by people whose argument amounts to "Your hurt my fee-fees." But tell me what I wrote.”

      hahaha! It’s a YMMV. All the way, bro.

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    9. Maybe it's the hour; maybe it's the drugs. But I don't get the joke. I don't remember the scalding, er, scolding you claim I delivered.

      Point me to the blog entry, and I'll re-read what I wrote. If I think my criticism was unwarranted, I'll apologize.

      Sorry, can't do better than that.

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    10. I likely misunderstood the exchange in the first place and it’s rare that criticism of me is unwarranted.

      You weren’t unfair. Thanks.

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  3. Most of your zombie-liberal comrades certainly have fewer brain-cells (if any at all) than a normal 7-year-old, dear Bob.

    And they, unfortunately, get various kinds of nonsense instilled into their skulls not by their mothers, but by your liberal-hitlerian cult.

    Tsk. Oh well...

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  4. “That said, today's 7-year-olds played no part in any of those events. They deserve the chance to move on.”

    Move on? Is Somerby so sure what God has willed?

    “if God wills that it continue until all the wealth piled by the bond-man's two hundred and fifty years of unrequited toil shall be sunk, and until every drop of blood drawn with the lash shall be paid by another drawn with the sword, as was said three thousand years ago, so still it must be said: "the judgments of the Lord are true and righteous altogether."”

    Has all that wealth been sunk? Has every drop of blood been paid for?

    Many think not.

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  5. Some might find it galling for Somerby to urge black parents to talk about “moving on” when they and their black children live in the shadow of monuments celebrating the wealth piled by the bond-man's two hundred and fifty years of unrequited toil and the blood drawn with the lash.

    The ones who venerate those monuments certainly haven’t moved on. They are still fighting that battle. Hence, apparently, God has willed that it continue.

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  6. Donald Trump doesn't know that Las Vegas was founded by Moe Green, a gangster, not the American people as part of manifest destiny. Or maybe he counts the mob among the founding fathers?

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    1. There was no such person as Moe Green.

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    2. "Greene is primarily based on Bugsy Siegel, who was also good friends with Meyer Lansky, who inspired the character of Hyman Roth. Like Moe Greene, Bugsy Siegel was also widely mythologized to have been killed with a single, clean, execution-style gunshot through the eye."

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    3. I hope you aren't contesting that Las Vegas was built and run by the mob. There is a "Mob Museum" in the building that used to be LV City Hall.

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  7. "This left-wing Cultural Revolution is designed to overthrow the American Revolution," Trump said in S Dakota.

    Andrew Sullivan equates the protests and the “left wing” with the Chinese Cultural Revolution.

    Bob Somerby approvingly quotes from Andrew Sullivan about “our tribe.” (6/27/2020)

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    1. Andrew Sullivan was traumatized by the IRA bombings in London before he emigrated to the US. His take on such things may be affected by those early experiences.

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    2. Dear mh, so?

      Do you conclude that if three different persons of different ideological bents are saying the same thing, then it is, perhaps, a reasonable assertion?

      Or are you outraged, OUTRAGED that it doesn't match your zombie talking points?

      It's not clear from your comment.

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    3. mh's point is clear to anyone who isn't a troll.

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    4. Is it the second one - outrage at the thoughtcrime - in your opinion?

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    5. Different ideological bent? I don't think so.

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  8. Meanwhile, the rich are partying like there is no tomorrow:

    "A Hamptons insider was stunned to arrive at a house in Bridgehampton on Saturday night to find a packed party that looked “as if COVID had never happened” — with Donald Trump Jr. and girlfriend Kimberly Guilfoyle among the revelers.

    Our spy estimated there were about 100 partiers, who our source says were maskless, at the bash at the 51 Sandpiper Lane mansion, hosted by famed Hamptons builder Joe Farrell, who owns the pricey pile and is selling one down the road for $15 million. The event — which comes days after Long Island entered Phase Three of reopening and while COVID cases surge in some parts of the country — had a caterer and uniformed bartenders.

    A source close to Don Jr. told us that the pair only stayed for about an hour, and that it was an outdoor event on the building’s roof (though our original source said the party was both inside and outside)."

    This was last Saturday. Guilfoyle has now turned up with Covid-19. Don Jr. wisely decided not to attend his daddy's speech in South Dakota.

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    1. I do not know what Newsom was thinking, I do not trust him. Guilfoyle is unpleasant both aesthetically and mentally.

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  9. "We're told that no one lives forever. This claim is notoriously hard to prove. For today, we'll accept it as fact."

    This is why it is difficult to dispute anything Somerby says and why Deadrat's defense of Somerby is so easy. You cannot pin him down on even the most obvious facts because he doesn't acknowledge any truth.

    I don't know whether this is a conscious debate technique, a stupid philosophical pose or part of an attack on knowledge, facts and ultimately science, when someone will not acknowledge any form of truth. Some have suggested that this is Somerby's way of being funny, ironic, clever. Personally, I only find it annoying. The only persons who truly believe they will live forever are Donald Trump and Bill Maher.

    Meanwhile, if the simplest premises are open to debate, nothing Somerby says can be pinned down and Deadrat then can deny or affirm whatever he wishes in Somerby's screeds. That makes this a dance, with Somerby coyly whisking himself away from any substance and never say what he believes about anything.

    If you value knowledge, truth, science, expertise (as, not coincidentally, all professors and most journalists do), Somerby's writing is an abomination. We are approaching serious crises that depend on science for solution, from today's Covid-19 pandemic to climate change. People need their faith in not only knowledge but the possibility of science to help us weather these storms. Somerby is doing damage to that faith everyday with his nihilism, and it is far from funny.

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    1. This is why it is difficult to dispute anything Somerby says and why Deadrat's defense of Somerby is so easy.

      I get why my defense of TDH is easy. It's because the commenters I gainsay mostly can't read for comprehension, don't understand what evidence is and how to present it, and seem unable to argue logically.

      But why is it difficult to dispute TDH? His arguments about mathematics and science are often laughably wrong. His reliance on poseurs like Harari make his arguments vulnerable. His evidential base is often too narrow to support his sweeping conclusions. He's fond of inapt analogies, like comparing BLM to the Maoist Cultural Revolution.

      What does it mean that TDH "doesn't acknowledge any truth"? He quotes statistics and test scores and demographics all the time. He quotes the people he contemns. TDH pins himself to conclusions constantly: Our healthcare system is being looted. Eliminating the SHSAT in NYC will disadvantage Asian students. It is legally and demographically impossible to desegregate many inner city school systems. The news media had no business making an issue of Roy Moore's marriage. Agree or disagree, but these aren't coy evasions.

      Let's take the sentences you quote:

      We're told that no one lives forever. This claim is notoriously hard to prove. For today, we'll accept it as fact.

      Presumably you're irritated that TDH says we can't disprove eternal life. Do you really suppose that TDH thinks that there are immortal human beings? Or is it more likely that he's saying there no proof of continuing life after physical death in this world? But in either case, far from refusing to be pinned down, he pins himself down, saying he'll accept it as fact that no one lives forever

      Perhaps what irritates you is that you can't tell whether TDH is being entirely serious or somewhat flippant. And I'll agree that I can't tell either. But here's what I can tell: it's completely irrelevant to the main point of the blog entry, which is about the ideas contained in Lincoln's Second Inaugural Address.

      Your complaint is about an aside within a tangential shout-out to another blogger, one whom TDH admires and who's going through a tough time watching his mother suffer in her old age.

      A few random notes: All professors do not believe in "truth, science, and expertise." Some are postmodernists who don't believe in any of that. Some, like you, are professors of modern pseudoscience.

      People don't need faith in science. Faith and science don't mix. People need to understand science.

      Nihilists don't think knowledge is possible, they argue that reality has no existence, and they don't believe in any intrinsic value of life. No nihilist would hold a two-decade grudge about an election he didn't believe happened or had any importance if it did.

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    2. Andrew Sullivan's dying mother should have done a better job raising her bigoted little shitheel.

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    3. "A few random notes: All professors do not believe in "truth, science, and expertise." Some are postmodernists who don't believe in any of that. Some, like you, are professors of modern pseudoscience."

      This is why I said "most" professors, not all.

      It is also an example of your dishonesty.

      And no, I am not a professor of any pseudoscience.

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    4. anon 1:07 & 11:33 (a/k/a Corby) - how you get from TDH's wry phrasing, that the "claim that no one lives forever is notoriously hard to prove" somehow signifies that he actually thinks it is up for serious debate, shows how catastrophically dense you are. He was joking - playing on the fact that maybe someone who is alive now or in the future might literally, through a miracle, actually never die - or maybe the concept that is believed by many, that after we die, we have eternal life in heaven. Hard to believe, but how do you disprove it? But it was a mild joke, it doesn't prove anything you said it did. And to illustrate your almost total cluelessness, you did in fact say "all professors, not some professors.

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    5. Those two posts are not by Corby.

      Here is the quote:

      "If you value knowledge, truth, science, expertise (as, not coincidentally, all professors and most journalists do),"

      A professor is someone who generates knowledge and teaches what is known to students, by definition. Deadrat omitted the word "knowledge" from his rebuttal, in order to make his criticism fit. He reduced it to:

      "All professors do not believe in "truth, science, and expertise."

      Do you think making jokes about the existence of death and then saying "no one lives forever" after describing a person with a serious undiagnosed illness is appropriate, that it demonstrates empathy?

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    6. Life would be very dull without black humor (not referring to a race by the word black). You're not that humorless are you?

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    7. I don't think you're allowed say "black humor" anymore, my dear.

      According to this, words "blacklist", "whitelist", "man hours", "master/slave" (technical term), and others are already tabooed by the psychos at Twitter and JPMorgan. "Black humor" wasn't mentioned, but it's definitely on their blacklist ...ugh, sorry, on their 'denylist'...

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    8. Calling this "black humor" doesn't excuse the crassness of it. This isn't a comedy club. It is a blog and Somerby supposedly likes Kevin Drum. Do you think Drum, who reads this blog, would like the way his mother's illness has been dismissed by Somerby?

      When someone makes an unfunny joke, the onus is supposedly on the audience for not appreciating the attempt. But it doesn't work that way. If the joke is funny, we laugh. If it isn't funny, we analyze it or denigrate it. A stand-up just moves on to the next joke, if not heckled, but Somerby here cannot do that. Because the next item is not another joke, it is a serious topic. Mixing supposed jokes in with seriousness is a big mistake, because those unfunny jokes come across as serious too and are thus open to misunderstanding. Real comedians learn to signal their jokes, with phrases such as "seriously, though...". Somerby doesn't do that with these musings. He doesn't bother, perhaps because he doesn't care how any of his readers react. Or maybe he is at that stage where is senile mutterings are all described as "jokes" by concerned friends and family, just as Trump's are these days.

      That is no excuse for offending others. I am one of the unfortunate people who had a death in my family. There are more of us around these days. If I feel this way about Somerby's remark, imagine how Kevin Drum might feel.

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    9. "This isn't a comedy club"

      It sure is. And your contributions are appreciated. Keep the good stuff coming.

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    10. Here's what you wrote:

      If you value knowledge, truth, science, expertise (as, not coincidentally, all professors and most journalists do) (Emphasis mine.)

      So when you claim that you said "most" instead of "all," what's that an example of? I'll tell you what I think. I think you were mistaken. And that's one crucial difference between us.

      And no, I am not a professor of any pseudoscience.

      Sorry, I thought you were a professor psychology.

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    11. A professor is someone who generates knowledge and teaches what is known to students, by definition.

      No, a professor by definition is someone hired by a college or university at a particular rank.

      Deadrat omitted the word "knowledge" from his rebuttal, in order to make his criticism fit.

      I didn't want to invite quibbles about what "knowledge" is, but I can't see how the omission makes the slightest difference to my point.

      Do you think making jokes about the existence of death and then saying "no one lives forever" after describing a person with a serious undiagnosed illness is appropriate, that it demonstrates empathy?

      No, but then I didn't think TDH's words were a joke. In my experience, nobody lives forever, but even so that brings no comfort to those who live to see their parents dying. So I didn't find that expression unempathetic, but, of course, empathy is in the eye of the beholder (or reader, in this case), and I chose to take my cue from TDH saying "We hope that Kevin's mother recovers," knowing the admiration TDH has expressed for Kevin Drum's work.

      I also know that Somerby had a fraught relationship with his own mother, who died in 1993. She once disowned him, something he talked about in his act.

      YMMV, which is to say that I might be wrong, but I still think your judgment tells us more about you than it does about TDH.

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    12. 'I get why my defense of TDH is easy.'

      If one ignores TDH's being an obvious malevolent Trumptard, and ignores his defense of DJT, Zimmerman, Roy Moore, Ron Johnson, AG Barr and his general defense of assorted rapists and killer of AA men, his claiming to be a liberal, his ..

      Well, if one ignores everything bad about TDH, it's easy to defend him.

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    13. That is no excuse for offending others.

      What's the antecedent to "That"? Your speculation that Somerby is senile? (How many people whose loved ones suffer from dementia did you offend with that dismissive aside?) Your claims about "big mistakes" in comedy? Your instructions on what "real" comedians do?

      In this political age, there are many excuses for offending others. The day of forbearing to offend is over. But here you need to consider how you know an offense has been committed or intended.

      I am one of the unfortunate people who had a death in my family.

      Might that have colored your judgment?

      If I feel this way about Somerby's remark, imagine how Kevin Drum might feel.

      I can imagine many things about how Kevin Drum might feel. What I'm unable to know is just how Kevin Drum actually feels, and neither do you. Here's a good rule of thumb: you shouldn't be more offended than the person who's the target of offending language or action.

      No one can tell you what you feel. You might consider how well your feelings serve your judgment though.

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    1. I'll stop reading him the minute he stops calling himself a liberal.

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    2. Boy howdy, that'll teach him.

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  13. Why doesn't Somerby write about the details of this case (from Daily Kos):

    "The image of young Elijah McClain playing his violin for rescue animals in a shelter won’t leave my brain lately. I can’t stop thinking about his last walk, listening to his music and dancing as he went. I can’t stop thinking about his last words, recorded by the cops who killed him. “I can’t breathe. I have my ID right here. My name is Elijah McClain. That’s my house. I was just going home. I’m an introvert. I’m just different. That’s all. I’m so sorry.”

    “I’m so sorry.” He’s sorry that he was noticed as he danced down the street. He’s sorry that his difference made him an object of fear. He’s sorry that for absolutely no goddamned reason someone called the cops on him and for no goddamned reason, the cops are hurting him. Killing him. He’s sorry. What I want to know is what about the person—almost undoubtedly the white person—who saw this young man dancing down the street doing absolutely nothing to hurt a soul. “Why are you attacking me? I don’t even kill flies!” Who saw this lovely, slight young man—5’ 7”, 140 pounds—and saw something to fear. Something that had to be squashed. And why? And how do we stop that?"

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    1. "The image of young Elijah McClain playing his violin for rescue animals in a shelter won’t leave my brain lately."

      Aah, that dembot is soooo sensitive...

      Would you ask her what she feels about the death of one Secoriea Turner, please?

      Collateral damage, I guess?

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    2. Then ask her about the 130,000 COVID deaths Trump's criminal negligence caused.

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