There's no way out of this mess: The Washington Post's Hank Stuever isn't a silly young kid.
According to the leading authority of his life, he was born in 1968. He graduated from college in 1990.
He's been at the Washington Post, a major newspaper, since 1999. He became the Post's TV critic in 2009.
Stuever isn't 14. Still, the utterly childish adult male wrote a piece which ate the bulk of the front page on today's Style section.
Pathetically, it starts like this. Hard-copy headline included:
CRITIC'S NOTEBOOKThere the little boys go again, writing about "the Karens."
The top show to watch now? Karens.
The most addictive TV show this summer isn’t even an official TV show, but how long before it becomes one? Several times a day, Instagram and Twitter feeds serve up another galling, sad and often intensely satisfying segment of a reality series we can just go ahead and call “Karens,” in which women (almost always white, almost always of a certain demeanor) make the mistake of policing, harassing or discriminating against their fellow humans in public.
As soon as one Karen flames out across the Internet, another apparently more unhinged Karen rises in her place...
We've written about this astonishing phenomenon before; we don't plan to bother again. That said, the fact that grown men don't see the problem with this kind of mockery-by-female-demographic is absolutely astounding. As a matter of anthropology, the sheer stupidity of our species truly defies comprehension.
Presumably, the Style section still employs editors. They too don't see the problem with this kind of mockery by gender and race.
There's really no way out of this mess. As it turns out, it's now official:
Our species actually is this stupid on the highest levels.
One final point:
For years, Chris Matthews (and others) kept taunting Hillary Clinton as "Evita" and "Nurse Ratched" while using a wide array of other such misogynistic put-downs.
In Matthews' case, this went on for roughly ten years, during an era when his show actually was influential. (There wasless cable back then.)
This went on for roughly ten years. No one said a word about it. Stating the obvious, this is one of the basic ways Donald J. Trump reached the White House.
As of today, the Stuevers and the Stuever types are still out there running wild. So, of course, are their nameless editors, who seem to specialize in getting Karens fired.
Some of them went to "the finest schools." Proving there's no way out of this mess, this is what resulted!
Dear Bob, how is "Nurse Ratched" a misogynistic put-down? Nurse Ratched is a very distinct character.
ReplyDeleteSurely they didn't imply that all wimmin are resembling Nurse Ratched; just that the Psych-Witch is resembling Nurse Ratched.
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"That said, the fact that grown men don't see the problem with this kind of mockery-by-female-demographic is absolutely astounding."
ReplyDeleteThe reason why this "Karen" phenomenon exists is because when men engage in this behavior, it is viewed as the proper exercise of male authority, not as something aberrant or officious, as in the case of a woman attempting dominance.
But while Somerby is seemingly objecting to the embodiment of all authority in males, he ignores that this is actually an entwinement with race because it mainly occurs when a Karen calls 911 on an African American person for existing, or screams at an immigrant in a grocery store.
The women in these videos are often frustrated because their authority is not accepted and their wishes are not being taken seriously, they are exhibiting powerlessness when they melt down. Men will laugh at this because they like feeling superior to these hapless women. Women have mixed feelings about it, unless the woman is attempting to exert white privilege, in which case she deserves what she gets. So, these episodes are not funny except to men, or when race is involved (the part Somerby evades).
Somerby is no feminist. He couldn't bring himself to support Hillary or even see her as a competent candidate. He has no standing to make a complaint about misogyny here.
Some Karens deserve to be fired -- the ones trying to enforce racially coded behavior norms.
'That said, the fact that grown men don't see the problem with this kind of mockery-by-female-demographic is absolutely astounding.'
ReplyDeleteThe fact that Somerby defends rapists and mocks females all the time is not astonishing to anyone who follows him and realizes that he is a vicious, hard core Trumptard whose only redeeming feature is that he is so transparent in his Trump worship that most people with a room temperature IQ realize that TDH is a Trumptard.
"Trump worship"??? Show me anything that's an example of TDH "worship" of Trump.
DeleteYou've moved into flat-out delusion here, pal. That, or you don't expect anyone to take you seriously. Which is troll territory.
Defending Trump heroically, attacking liberals, defending Trump enablers like Barr, trying to divide liberals -- all this certainly strikes me as Trump worship intended to ensure Trump re-election.
DeleteI notice that you seem undisturbed by Somerby's defense of Roy Moore, Zimmerman and Barr.
Your characterization of TDH is so one-sided, nothing I say here will make you see things differently. You do not wish to see things differently. But here goes anyway.
Delete***My two cents: Defending Trump heroically? With statements like these?
Donald J. Trump is our least articulate modern president . . .
Donald J. Trump rarely knows what he's talking about.
Trump's long, rambling, evasive answer rambled on from there.
The answer involves the crazy statements Trump made in February and then in March, long after he'd issued his "ban."
How could anyone possibly say that Trump wasn't taking it [Covid] seriously? You could say it because of the crazy things he proceeded to say as the days and weeks rolled on.
***My two cents: In this context, does TDH pivot from criticizing Trump to criticizing the so-called "liberal" press corps? Yes.
It's easy for liberals to see the way Trump evades, insults, misstates. It's much harder for liberals to see the way our high-end press corps fails.
***My two cents: Defending Barr? TDH shows less antipathy toward Barr than it does to Trump, but nothing in the archives constitutes praise for Barr, and the "defense" TDH offers is the one he makes AGAINST journalistic malpractice.
William Barr has made some weird presentations with respect to the Mueller probe, or at least he has seemed to do so.
Attorney General William Barr had made his weird remarks about "spying" that day.
For ourselves, we have no idea what Barr thinks about any of this. We don't know if he sees any of this as "a legitimate argument."
Barr's apparent cover-up in the 1990s has been discussed since roughly forever. Does anyone know why a top-end CNN pundit had to wait until last week to review the material in question?
There was at least one obvious problem with the Barr letter's summary of the Mueller report.
Rereading the Barr letter today, it's hard to say that Barr was more disingenuous then than Katyal is today.
***Apparently, your real complaint is against TDH's effort to exercise some type of intellectual honesty because it necessarily involves having to rethink your own preconceptions. Re-thinking doesn't seem to be part of your program.
***My two cents: Then -- finally -- there is TDH's so-called "defense" of Moore, in statements such as these:
Without any doubt, two women have said that Moore sexually assaulted them when they were teenagers. Those are very serious charges—and two can be thought of as "multiple" in and of itself.
Two women have accused Moore of committing sexual assaults. They've made very serious charges. It isn't hard to remember that number. It isn't hard to cite these extremely serious accusations first.
In all honesty, it would be fascinating to see him forced to defend his claims about Leigh Corfman and Beverly Young Nelson, who have accused him of assaulting them when they were 14 and 16 years old, in 1979 and 1977, when he was 32 and 30.
We would be very surprised if these accusations were false.
It would be fascinating to watch Ol' Roy attempt to address those accusations and defend his recent conduct. That said, we focus on press corps behavior here. How have they been behaving?
At present, Moore seems to be lying through his teeth.
We can think of a million reasons why we ourselves wouldn't vote for Roy Moore. But how odd! We've rarely seen those reasons discussed in the last month.
*** My two cents: Nowhere does TDH praise Moore or even defend him against some of the sexual charges. TDH DOES criticize the media for taking more ambiguous situations, manipulating the facts, smoothing out the wrinkles, and then adding them on top of the more serious charges.
Will any of this evidence change your thinking? Will you even make the effort to present evidence that supports your accusations? We'll see.
In every essay, despite these quoted sentences, Somerby also expresses the conservative talking point of the day, especially concerning whichever Republican is under attack.
DeleteFor example, yes, he says that Trump appears deranged, but then he says that Trump should be pitied not treated like a sitting president held accountable for his actions. He argued that Trump should not be impeached because it would negate the will of the voters.
Somerby argues out of both sides of his mouth, which enables you to quote plenty of stuff that Somerby has said, but you ignore the overall point of TDH essays, which is to excuse and explain away behavior by Trump (or whichever racist or rapist is being defended), in full accordance with current conservative talking points (e.g., what is being said on the right in various media outlets and by politicians). This happens so often that it cannot be a coincidence. And lately Somerby has been actively referring to what he sees when watching Fox News.
Your two cents about Roy Moore ignore the obvious -- that Somerby ignored the charges against him in order to focus on his other behavior with young girls, which was inappropriate and substantiated the actual charges by showing a pattern of interest and activity, while explaining that behavior away using specious arguments, such as that one girl's mother would have been happy to have her 18 year old marry Moore. Somerby worked hard to portray Moore as a persecuted victim whose sexual interests were little different than any man's, never addressing his illegal behavior or the colleagues who considered him creepy and abnormal. That is a defense of Moore. There is nothing ambiguous about a 32 year old man who stalks 15 year olds.
Your million other reasons for not voting for Moore are great, politically speaking, but you seem to have no interest in supporting women and children, defending the rights of female children to grow up unmolested by powerful men, even in the South, by barring child predators from positions of authority where they can pass laws allowing child marriage. I'll bet you don't even know that there is a nationwide campaign to get such laws repealed? It would never occur to Somerby, or you apparently, that women need political support to defend daughters from guys who think the age of consent should be whatever they want it to be.
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Delete"There is nothing ambiguous about a 32 year old man who stalks 15 year olds."
Yes, and Somerby clearly agrees with you on that, as do I. His argument is that the above is sufficient reason, along with Moore's public political actions and utterance, to mount the case against the man. It seems that you are arguing that much, much more is needed, including ignoring exculpatory evidence, to combat a greater social evil, predatory male behavior. But down that road lies the Inquisition, where high-minded people cite the most holy reasons to achieve their superior goals by any means necessary -- that's all Somerby is trying to remind us.
You may find such a social cleansing a thrilling prospect for the utopia it promises. But watch out for the collateral damage to individuals and individual rights (and, no, I am not talking about the "right" to molest young girls, if that's what your tempted to retort). I'm talking about the rights that protect you or me from unjust persecution and trial-by-viral-media. You better believe that it could happen here.
Your two cents about Roy Moore ignore the obvious -- that Somerby ignored the charges against him in order to focus on his other behavior with young girls, which was inappropriate and substantiated the actual charges by showing a pattern of interest and activity, while explaining that behavior away using specious arguments, such as that one girl's mother would have been happy to have her 18 year old marry Moore.
DeleteThis is an account so close to incoherent that I have a hard time believing that you actually read the TDH blog posts about Moore. One possible interpretation is that you believe a pattern of legal activity of which you disapprove somehow is evidence for illegal activity. I hesitate to claim you believe anything that dumb.
TDH's complaint was about the news coverage of Moore. As usual, the blog entries were dedicated to the reporting of events rather than the events themselves. TDH objected to the news focus on the 14-year age gap between Roy and Kayla Moore, when reporters were ignoring the "credible" (TDH's word) report of a woman who said that Moore molested her when she was underage.
Now, the Gadsden Mall Creeper says that his darling Kayla caught his eye at a dance recital when she was 15. Now that's plenty creepy to me, but GMC also says he first met his wife and started dating her when she was 23. That means that whatever I think about this matter, it's none of my business or yours. And there's simply no excuse for any prurient interest in his marriage.
Not so when it comes to serious charges of sexual activity with minors.
It is not a defense of the GMC to say that his legal private life shouldn't be fodder for reporters who ignore charges of illegal behavior.
Whatever the GMC thought the age of consent should be, the age of majority is 18. Maybe it should be older, but it isn't. Maybe girls should be considered women for the purposes of voting or joining the military but still be considered children when it comes to drinking alcohol (as it is in Alabama) or choosing their sexual partners (as it isn't).
Now be that as it may, Kayla was 23 when Roy began dating her. So definitely not anyone else's business.
If there's no coercion or deceit involved -- and especially if the family knows and approves -- how adults conduct their private social and sexual lives is none of your fucking business (pun intended).
Any bar to your blue-nosed, censorious, and inappropriate concern with the sex lives of consenting adults most certainly does not preclude defending the rights of children.
At Digby's blog:
ReplyDeletehttps://digbysblog.net/2020/07/responsibility-its-personal/
Tom Sullivan quotes Amanda Marcotte about how "real Americans" has been code for white, preferably rural Americans. This is the same formula Somerby used when he urged us to talk to The Other. Never mind that there are many rural black people, especially in the South, and many liberals who don't drink lattes, live in big cities or read the NY Times.
But my point here is the congruence between the Republican portrayal of liberals and Somerby's.
I also notice Somerby and the MSM never ask The Others to get out of their bubbles, set aside their preconceptions, and speak with liberals about their viewpoints, where they might find common ground.
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