WEDNESDAY, FEBRUARY 15, 2023
Kevin Drum says maybe not: Did the College Board adjust the contents of its new Advanced Placement course in response to criticisms or suggestions by the DeSantis administration?
In yesterday's lengthy front-page report, the New York Times seemed to suggest at several points that it did—or at least, that the "left-leaning scholars" with whom the Board worked seem to believe that it did.
HORTOCOLLIS ET AL (2/14/23): In today’s political climate, a dispute [about the contents of the course] may have been unavoidable. African American studies has roots in the civil rights and students’ movements of the 1960s. Its left-leaning scholars often see their discipline as part of an anti-racist social justice movement.
For many conservatives, the field is an example of liberal orthodoxy run amok. They have argued the very premise of it, and called for an approach to Black history that focuses on heroic figures of the past and stays away from contemporary political debates or academic theorizing.
But the College Board also hurt its own cause among supporters, by whittling away material during the months it was engaged in discussions with the DeSantis administration, according to interviews with scholars, teachers and College Board officials, as well as a review of several drafts of the curriculum.
The organization also did not tell some of its academic colleagues of those frustrating discussions—or about the significant omissions.
Now, the College Board is defending the A.P. course it has spent years developing. The nonprofit has infuriated many African American studies scholars for what they view as a stealth betrayal. And its once-heralded course is mired in dissension.
Elsewhere, similar suggestions are made. For example, here's an account of how certain elements were dropped from the proposed course:
HORTOCOLLIS ET AL: The College Board understood from the beginning that introducing African American studies could draw sparks, especially given the laws in Florida, Jason Manoharan, vice president for A.P. program development, said in an interview.
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The fall 2022 pilot curriculum required a weeklong set of lessons on “Black Feminism, Womanism and Intersectionality.” Required reading included a text by Kimberlé Crenshaw, the law professor who coined the term.
As Dr. Manoharan explained the concept, the state officials were “stone faced,” he said, and he was not sure they understood him.
“I have interacted with many DOEs—this DOE acts as a political apparatus,” he said of Florida’s Department of Education, adding, “It’s not an effort to improve education.”
He said that overall, Florida had not given useful feedback about what was wrong with the course, and he had been baffled and frustrated about how to respond.
“If they had substantive issues, I would have listened to them,” he said. “I welcomed their feedback. Not because I wanted to collude with them, but because I’m a responsible person who wanted to understand if there was something legitimate that they had to say.”
Florida officials declined to comment.
Following those discussions, intersectionality gradually faded from the course.
By the final document, the term was mentioned only as an optional project topic, and there was no mention of Professor Crenshaw.
Dr. Manoharan doesn't seem to be shy about denigrating Florida officials. Stating the obvious, there is no way to assess the accuracy of his various unflattering accounts of their reactions, understandings and comments.
That said, the Times reports that various changes were made in the proposed AP course during the time of Manoharan's discussions with those Florida officials.
The New York Times seems to think that the College Board made certain changes in its course as a reaction to those discussions. In this new post, Kevin Drum says he reads the evidence a different way.
Why did the College Board make various changes to the course? We have no ultimate way of knowing, but we don't think that's the main question here.
The main question here involves the suitability of this introductory, year-long course for a wide range of American high school students. Whatever decisions it ultimately made, the College Board should have listened to criticisms or suggestions from red state sources.
It's a sign of our nation's unfortunate culture war when liberal entities seek total victory over The Others as this curriculum is drawn into place. It's a sign that we live at a time of total war, with total defeat of the Others as the ultimate tribal goal.
Based upon that lengthy Times report, a lot remains to be said about the contents of this Advanced Placement course. Above all else, we direct you to the state of total war which seems to exist on the blue side of this debate.
In comment threads and in the Times report itself, blue forces seem to be declaring a state of Total War. We seek Total Victory in this Total War over the Others, who constitute the forces of evil.
Only our own infallible outlooks deserve inclusion in this course! The viewpoints of the Others must in all ways be defeated. Let's not create an introductory course in which eager students are challenged about various possible viewpoints and told that they must decide.
Our blue tribe needs to get over itself. Unfortunately, that's a type of analytical skill which is in short supply Over Here.
ReplyDeleteDon't worry, dear Bob, this too shall pass.
...your brain-dear BlueAnon tribe will soon collapse and fall, remembered by no one. This current theatre of absurd will be but a footnote in future history books, as the anthropologists living in caves inside your head will most certainly assure you if you ask...
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DeleteMao was funny when he used to pretend he didn't love the Establishment with all of his heart.
DeleteNowadays, he's just another dime a dozen bigot on the Right.
They're not yelling "Mao" they're yawning.
Students should learn about black feminism, womanism, and intersectionality as soon as their first pubic hair grows.
ReplyDeleteSo, never for a Right-wing incel, correct?
Delete"Dr. Manoharan doesn't seem to be shy about denigrating Florida officials. Stating the obvious, there is no way to assess the accuracy of his various unflattering accounts of their reactions, understandings and comments. "
ReplyDeleteActually, there is a way to assess this. In addition to Dr. Manoharan's account of what happened, we have the fact that Florida banned the African American studies AP (after the changes were made) and that DeSantis is talking about banning all AP courses in FL. The fact that the AP was used as a political culture war issues by FL strongly supports Dr. Manoharan's perception that the Board of Education did not have a specific objection but was opposed to the entire subject.
Somerby seems to be suggesting that there was some actual reason for objecting to the AP course. He raises his own speculations about what those objections could have been, but when none are stated by conservatives in FL, it seems much more likely that they don't want the subject taught at all, and that is consistent with Dr. Manoharan's account about what happened at the meetings.
The willingness of the College Board to change the course to address objectives, but the fact that none were raised, undercuts Somerby's interpretation that it was the content of the course that was the problem, and not the general unwillingness of the right wing to address racial topics, even in the context of American history.
Somerby pretends we cannot know what was going on, but it is obvious, and Somerby is ignoring what is in front of his face, preferring himself to remain oblivious to racial attitudes held on the right. That is Somerby's blindness, not any problem with Dr. Manoharan's interpretation of the motives in FL.
Bobby isn't blind here. He knows exactly what he is doing. When the Florida legislature was pressed last year about why they banned 54 math books including 90% of those used in k through 6 they supplied a grand total of 4 textbook examples. The fact that these stunts are purely political is exemplified by the absence of such controversies in any other Southeastern red states. The NYT specifically states that the AP curriculum was modified and Dr. Manoharan states that he did not get guidance from Florida's DOE despite conversations eliciting such. At this point Bobby decides to ignore the NYT piece and suggest that Monoharan is an unreliable source. That gets him to his comfort zone in which he can accuse liberals of being uncompromising hard liners. Bobby is in rarified form here having deliberately misread and rejected the published accounts that he himselfcites in order to arrive at his usual foregone conclusion. You couldn't pay someone for this kind of blather, or could you?
DeleteSomerby says the main issue is this:
ReplyDelete"Whatever decisions it ultimately made, the College Board should have listened to criticisms or suggestions from red state sources."
The evidence suggests that the problem isn't that the College Board listened too little to red state sources, but that it listened too much. I will take the opinions of scholars in the field over Kevin Drum's opinions, any day of the week.
Kevin Drum is a leading public intellectual.
DeleteDrum is a guy with a journalism degree and a blog.
DeleteKevin Drum has lead poisoning which makes his blog moronic.
Delete"It's a sign of our nation's unfortunate culture war when liberal entities seek total victory over The Others as this curriculum is drawn into place."
ReplyDeleteWhen Somerby talks about "total victory" it seems evident he understands that this is part of the culture wars, not a serious question about what was included in the course. It is not liberals who have made this into an issue, but the right wingers who are itching to ban books and censor teachers in order to own the libs. The College Board simply wants to teach students about African American history and culture. Scholars are the right people to decide the content -- not FL governors seeking to run for president on an extremist platform.
Given that Somerby understands that this is part of the culture war, and given that he calls himself liberal, why is he siding with Ron DeSantis and his minions? Why is he not seeking to protect high school kids from meddling by conservatives and protecting their right to access to learning?
I really hope the ACLU gets involved in this. It isn't right to use the educational opportunities of a state's high school students as a stepping stone to political goals, any more than it was right when DeSantis used immigrants seeking asylum to own the libs by putting them on buses to the homes of his political opponents.
Somerby is wrong on this issue.
"The viewpoints of the Others must in all ways be defeated."
ReplyDeleteThe College Board says that the Board of Education members didn't express any viewpoints and were not specific in their criticisms of the course -- which made it hard for them to address their concerns.
Dr. Manoharan is quoted as saying:
"“I have interacted with many DOEs—this DOE acts as a political apparatus,” he said of Florida’s Department of Education, adding, “It’s not an effort to improve education.”
He said that overall, Florida had not given useful feedback about what was wrong with the course, and he had been baffled and frustrated about how to respond.
“If they had substantive issues, I would have listened to them,” he said. “I welcomed their feedback. Not because I wanted to collude with them, but because I’m a responsible person who wanted to understand if there was something legitimate that they had to say.”
This doesn't sound like total war to me. I think Somerby is being unfair to both liberals and the College Board with this.
"Let's not create an introductory course in which eager students are challenged about various possible viewpoints and told that they must decide."
ReplyDeleteHow does Somerby know this isn't what is happening already in such AP courses? It is what happens in college level introductory courses. But realize also that despite controversies among scholars, most of history is not a matter of opinion. College students are in school to learn what the various events, viewpoints and controversies are, not what their own uninformed opinions on them might be. The goal is education, not self-expression.
Somerby wants to pretend that he hasn’t been found out as a racist right winger, tries to use Drum as cover, but Drum has been found out too.
ReplyDeleteThe jig is up Somerby. Other than your 3 or 4 right winger fanboys, everyone is here to debunk and critique your goofy nonsense.
Jig is either a dance or a trick, and while I would not want either of those entities to be oppressed, neither constitute a race of any kind.
DeleteThe only way to have a serious discussion of this topic is to base it on the original content of the AP course, the changes made before Florida's rejection of the course, and the changes made after Florida's rejection. Discussing it in airy generalities just encourages tribalism.
ReplyDeleteFrom my POV, some of the things thrown out after Florida's rejection had nothing to do with black history. They were far out leftist stuff that didn't belong in the course. I think the majority of Americans would agree with me, once they look at the actual topics that Florida objected to.
I think you might have the chronology wrong. Changes were made before the FL rejection of the course. Now DeSantis is talking about rejecting all AP classes, but getting pushback in his state. This is a stunt.
DeleteFlorida should keep AP mathematics and physical science.
DeleteWhen right wingers complain about tribalism, what they are saying is “hey, don’t interfere with my right to oppress”.
ReplyDeleteLeftism is about returning our society back to our egalitarian roots, where oppression had little purchase.
Teaching students about oppression is appropriate, since that is the fundamental experience of African Americans.
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DeSantis showed up in Jacksonville this week lambasting the Duval County School System for taking so long to review the 1.5 million books that need to comply with his anti-woke law. The school system is understaffed. DeSantis suggested that it should only take about 20 minutes to review a book. You do the math. He obviously can't. Would make a good word problem for a grade school textbook if it wouldn't get the book banned, which it would.
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DeleteCould you do the math for us, dear dembot, please?
...'cause we really can't, without knowing the number of titles and reviewers...
Not being able to perform basic arithmetic is a Right-wing trait.
DeleteThe school board has answered your question. The number of reviewers is completely insufficient to the task such that they have put out a questionnaire to the community to be filled out by volunteers from within the county to assist in the effort. Fill out the questionnaire and sign up. So nutcases like yourself will feel compelled to come out in droves in order to ban whatever your snowflake sensibilities consider offensive. You're all riled up, civic duty calls.
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DeleteBut where's the math you promised, dear dembot? How many titles? How many reviewers?
...surely your brain-dead dembottery of pretending that the number of books is the number of titles is not going to work anywhere outside your dembot cult, nicht wahr?
1.5 million books, Mao is concerned he doesn't know how many actual different titles there are.
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