TUESDAY, APRIL 2, 2024
American Egg Board involved: Who ever knew there was some such organization as the American Egg Board?
As it turns out, there is! To peruse the group's web site, just click here. Their "About Us" page includes this background information:
History, Mission & Funding
The American Egg Board (AEB) was created by an Act of Congress in 1976 at the request of America’s egg farmers, who desired to pool resources for national category-level egg marketing.
Home to The Incredible Egg and Egg Nutrition Center, AEB is dedicated to increasing demand for all U.S. eggs and egg products. For more than 40 years, America’s egg farmers have supported this mission by funding the AEB. The AEB is 100 percent farmer-funded, and those funds directly support the research, education and promotion necessary to market eggs.
We are honored to serve America’s egg farmers.
So the group's web site says. They've been around since 1976—but this year, the Egg Board has been used as a means of marching two nations off to war.
On Sunday morning—on Easter morning—the Egg Board posted the formal press release shown below.
The release was posted at 8 a.m. At that hour, the shazam from the gang at Fox & Friends Weekend was already hitting the fan.
The press release describes an event the group has conducted ever since the Egg Board came into being. Below, you can see the text of the press release.
Full disclosure! The release was posted at 8 a.m. By that hour, on the Fox News Channel, Joey Johnny, Rachel and "Trader Pete" had been propagandizing about the "pagans" for a full two hours:
Special Easter Egg Exhibit at the White House in Collaboration with America's Egg Farmers Celebrates National Guard Children
NEWS PROVIDED BY
American Egg Board
31 Mar, 2024, 08:00 ETWASHINGTON, March 31, 2024—As part of the many Easter traditions celebrated at the White House, America's egg farmers are proud to have collaborated with the White House on the "Colonnade of Eggs," celebrating First Lady Jill Biden's commitment to supporting those who serve our country and their families. Appearing in the East Colonnade of the White House, the exhibit features eggs designed by children from National Guard families across the country.
Children from National Guard families across the nation submitted egg designs to be featured at the 2024 White House "Colonnade of Eggs" exhibit. Designs crafted by National Guard children from all 50 states, the District of Columbia, Guam, Puerto Rico and the U.S. Virgin Islands will be on display.
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Annually for the last 47 years, the American Egg Board, on behalf of its egg farmers, has presented a Commemorative Egg to the First Lady that reflects each individual First Lady's passions, causes and contributions in service to the nation. These eggs are produced by talented egg artists identified from across the country by the American Egg Board. For the last three years, the American Egg Board has collaborated with the White House on larger exhibits that showcase egg art during the spring season.
It's been happening for the past 47 years—but then again, so what? On this particular Easter morning, the propagandists at the Fox News Channel had decided to march our dueling American nations off toward as undeclared war.
The release was posted at 8 a.m. By that time, we'd been watching the friends at Fox advance their undeclared war for a full two hours.
Two hours later, CNN posted a news report in which the channel quoted the CEO of the Egg Board. By now, Rachel, Pete and Joey Johnny had completed their Easter blitz. Headline included, CNN 's report included a reference to the Egg Board:
Republicans slam Biden for proclaiming Transgender Day of Visibility on Easter, though it’s yearly observed on March 31
Republicans are taking aim at President Joe Biden for proclaiming Easter Sunday as the Transgender Day of Visibility, though the two days only coincided this year by chance.
The Transgender Day of Visibility, which was started in 2009 as a day of awareness to celebrate the successes of transgender and gender-nonconforming people, is held annually on March 31. The date of Easter, meanwhile, changes from year to year.
But several Republicans seized on Biden’s proclamation to attack the president.
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Some Republicans–including Johnson and Trump–also claimed that Biden banned religious-themed designs at the White House’s Easter events. The American Egg Board, which partners with the White House on Easter events, said the procedures in place this year haven’t changed.
“The American Egg Board has been a supporter of the White House Easter Egg Roll for over 45 years and the guideline language referenced in recent news reports has consistently applied to the board since its founding, across administrations,” Emily Metz, president and CEO of the American Egg Board, said in a statement.
"Several Republicans" were attacking President Biden, the CNN report said. So, of course, were the three "cable news" stars on Fox & Friends, as they advanced the undeclared war which now exists between our two American nations.
We're not sure we've ever seen a worse morning of "cable news." (Full disclosure: We can think of other cable news segments which were pretty much as bad, including several on MSNBC, Blue America's "cable news" channel.)
The three warmongers on Fox & Friends had been propagandizing Red American viewers on three separate fronts. One front involved the American Egg Board. The other two fronts did not.
In late January, the New York Times' Peter Baker accurately described the current state of play. Once again, headline included, we'll present his accurate thumbnail:
The Looming Contest Between Two Presidents and Two Americas
Each of them has sat behind the Resolute Desk in the Oval Office, signed bills into law, appointed judges, bartered with foreign leaders and ordered the armed forces into combat. They both know what it is like to be the most powerful person on the planet.
Yet the general election matchup that seems likely after this week’s New Hampshire primary represents more than the first-in-a-century contest between two men who have both lived in the White House. It represents the clash of two presidents of profoundly different countries, the president of Blue America versus the president of Red America.
Our sprawling nation, such as it was, is now two separate nations. An undeclared state of war exists on the two nations' "cable news" channels.
We're losing a chunk of time today; medical service calls! In part for that reason, we'll leave today's report right here.
As we do, we'll note the fact that CNN was willing to say that "several Republicans" were attacking President Biden as o Easter morning. For whatever reason, CNN didn't discuss what was happening on the Fox News Channel.
That Sunday morning, the three stars on Fox & Friends Weekend were marching our two nations off towards a still-undeclared war. It's very, very hard to capture the depth of pre-human behavior involved in the acts of warfare they authored.
At this site, we don't believe in terrible people. If we did, the people we saw on the Fox News Channel would be truly terrible people.
In our view, it's more likely that they're just people people. As such, they're the farthest thing from "rational animals," as is often true of the various stars on our dueling "cable news" channels.
As we'll explain as the week proceeds, we humans have always behaved in the ways the friends behaved this day. We humans have long been the war-seeking animal. With apologies for today's limited effort, we will close by telling you this:
The devoted warmongers on Fox & Friends Weekend were part of one leadership cadre. They're numbered among the "thought leaders" who propagandize Red America.
Blue America has its own leadership cadres. That includes group of political leaders, and groups of journalists as well.
That said, journalism's traditional norms disappear when we humans march off toward war. Long ago, we humans behaved in these same ways on the plains outside the towering walls of Troy.
In this case, the American Egg Board found itself drawn into the mess! So was a murdered police officer in New York, concerning whom Brian Kilmeade had an exciting story to tell.
So was the Transgender Day of Visibility, a day in which, or so Red American viewers were told, the "pagans" found in Blue America take a great deal of delight.
On Fox, the term "pagan" was added to the long list of tribal insults. The name-calling is general over our nation when people people of this pre-human type reflexively move towards war.
Tomorrow: Brian Kilmeade tells Red America what he says he heard
Diana Wall has died,
ReplyDeleteLou Conter has died.
DeleteGod died, though that was several years ago
DeleteBye-bye, Di.
DeleteDammit, die Di, die!!!
DeleteNetanyahu acknowledges that the IDF killed World Central Kitchen aid workers in Gaza. A Canadian-American dual citizen was among the dead.
ReplyDeletehttps://amp.theguardian.com/world/live/2024/apr/02/middle-east-crisis-live-updates-israel-gaza-war-today-gaza-foreign-aid-workers-killed-idf-investigation
Netanyahu is a monster.
DeleteI believe there are terrible people. Apparently you haven't noticed Trump and his followers. Yet, you criticize Hillary for calling them deplorables, which is what they are. To make a phony controversey out of Easter is stupid at best. I am no fan of the Trans community, but this day has always been on March 31. Nothing changed this year but the phony outrage from the right. No, these are not decent people.
ReplyDeleteWhy is it necessary for Somerby to keep repeating war metaphors for political disputes, including this one about eggs that has nothing whatsoever to do with war?
ReplyDeleteYeah, he's trying too hard to draw parallels with the Iliad. I don't think it's really useful or illuminating, tbh. Also, generally speaking, people don't like war. Maybe a certain percentage of young males do. Everyone else, not so much.
DeleteThe Iliad is a pagan book.
Deletei agree, TFH's Iliad analogy is far-fetched when trying to elucidate what is going on here now. But, I think that the analogy between the blue/red divide and "war" is fine. after all, there are "price wars", there was the "Cold war", probably other examples. -Politics, in general, and in its present zany state, can aptly be metaphorically characterized as a "war". No one (ok, maybe a few) likes war - it's best that wars be avoided via peaceful compromise. that's what TDH is constantly wishing for with respect to the current blue/red war; but many here will have nothing of that.
DeleteWe won't have anything to do with that strategy because we tried it out and it was a disaster.
DeleteRight wingers never compromise, when offered an inch they always take a mile.
Wars are avoided because they cause harm and destruction, right wingers want to conflate the blue tribe's fight for rights and material benefits with war because it serves their purpose of conning suckers like you.
anon - there is nothing right wing or left wing about metaphorically characterizing the blue/red divide as a "war." I don't know where you got that idea. It's a neutral term, red tribe/blue tribe-wise. Just look at you - you call someone a "sucker" who thinks there could be compromise, or some acknowledgment that the other side might be right about something, and our side wrong about something. The concern is that what's going on now could lead to an actual war. Actual wars happen when people take attitudes like yours.
DeleteWars happen when we roll over for right wingers.
DeleteYou are a sucker because you have fallen for the "compromise" nonsense.
Your views are ignorant and ahistorical, under your strategy slavers and Hitler would have flourished, just like Republicans have for the last 50 years, forever eroding our rights and access to essential material goods via an insistence on "compromise".
You ignored these points and just ran with your emotionally triggered view.
You are a lost cause right winger, but you serve as a good case study for others to learn from.
2:00 - That's right. AC/MA is an ignorant, right-wing apologist for causes akin to Hitler and slavery. Do you realize that this makes you sound like a complete crackpot?
DeleteI am not @2:00 PM, but I think AC/MA is an ignorant, right wing apologist for right-wingism. Some on the right are neo-Nazi white supremacists, so I don't see how that makes anyone challenging the right any kind of crackpot. The right does defend slavery and try to rewrite history. You don't have to be a crackpot to see that.
DeleteBut calling other commenters names, such as crackpot, is your thing. You don't seem to be able to disagree with someone without the name-calling.
I think the breakdown here is that any attempt to even consider a way to ratchet down the headlong rush into political extremism is cast by the couple anon commenters on here as the person who dares to utter anything on those lines is best case naive and worst case a dirty right winger sent in to hypnotize the leftists into sabotaging their own best interests.
DeleteThis attitude is of course a reflection of the political extremism itself, like a virus automatically defending itself against antibodies.
2:46: "I think AC/MA is an ignorant, right wing apologist for right-wingism."
DeleteAlso 2:46: "You don't seem to be able to disagree with someone without the name-calling."
It's strange how you can dish out but then whine and cry when someone pushes back.
The difference is that I write mostly substantive comments here, whereas you only call names.
DeleteCalling people "prehuman" is dehumanizing. We are not doing that. Somerby is doing it.
ReplyDeleteIt’s prehumanizing.
Delete"Blue America has its own leadership cadres. That includes group of political leaders, and groups of journalists as well."
ReplyDeleteNow it appears to be a crime to have leaders. Journalists are not among blue America's leadership cadres. On the right, Fox News is part of the right's propaganda machine. That is not true on the left. Nor is the American left involved in spreading Russian disinformation, the way the right and Fox News are.
Anon 10:08, I agree, it's not true that Fox News is the "left's" own propaganda machine. the left has its own, far better, propaganda machines.
DeleteThe left's propaganda machine is overwhelming, incredible, dominant and determined. It's astounding in its power and efficacy. But I still think it risks backfiring because of the decentralization of media. It's like watching a slow motion train wreck.
DeleteThe triumph of the left is historically inevitable.
DeleteI wish it would hurry up.
DeleteThere is a ssd irony that Bob’s short, useful period was during the Clinton era, when America, led by the Press, looked the other way as the Rght took up residency in the sewer.
ReplyDeleteIf we ever get a viable Right Wing Party back, it will be no thanks to both siderism from crackpots like Bob, who have done all they can
to make his good friends and neighbors comfortable rolling around in the slop.
Answering a question from yesterday: I very much prefer DeSantis over Trump
ReplyDeleteDeSantis is not on your ballot. Feel free to write him in.
DeleteYour preference is of no consequence.
DeleteNeither is your lie that your cousin is Lizzie, who actually goes by Liz to her family and friends.
You are a very strange person, DIC.
Here is Liz Skurnick’s website:
Deletehttps://www.lizzieskurnick.com/
Uh, @12:40, if one goes to your link, her name pops up in big letters, "Lizzie Skurnick". In fact, the address of her website, shown on your comment, uses lizzie, not liz.
DeleteThat doesn't mean she uses the name Lizzie at home, among family. It supports the view that Lizzie is a public name.
DeleteDavid’s cousins call him Doodoo, but we refer to him as David in blog comments.
DeleteThere is no "undeclared" war on the right. It has long been declared. But it takes two to fight, and the left has not followed Fox into the sewer, as Somerby claims. We do not engage in the same propagandistic practices. We do not accept money or propaganda help from Russia or any other foreign country. We follow the FEC and campaign financing rules on the left. We are not stigmatizing immigrants, calling for women to lose the vote, not targeting children or calling legislators pedophiles or calling for violence against political enemies and their families.
ReplyDeleteWe are engaging in our political process. The right is not. The right is joining with repressive forces such as Putin to transform the US into an autocracy, so that it can dismantle our government and enact repressive measures against citizens. Politics is not war. War is war. Trump is at war against his "enemies" and Democrats, but we are not at war against Trump. We are trying to reelect Joe Biden because he is a good president. THAT is not war, no matter how often Somerby wants to quote Homer. It is a travesty that Somerby wants to militarize the language used to describe political conflict. Because THAT encourages violence as surely as Trump's imagery. Voting is what you do to avoid war. We are planning to vote in large numbers. Somerby never mentions voting. I wonder why that is.
Carville sounded the alarm again that young voters are leaving the Democrat party in droves especially young men who recognize it is the party of angry women and weak men.
ReplyDeleteCarville is an ass.
DeleteYears ago I attended an insurance event where Carville was the speaker. As I recall he talked about how Dems should do whatever it takes to win, including attacking insurance companies unfairly. . Although the audience must have disliked what he said, he was so charming that won the audience over.
DeleteYour recall may be a little distorted.
DeleteYou never attended an event with Carville, you weirdo.
DeleteBiden is up in the polls, governing more as a progressive than a neoliberal, so of course neoliberal Clintonites have to run out and shout that the sky is falling, adding in a misogynistic rant, if you actually read what he said. For them, the sky is falling, and good riddance.
DeleteCarville hasn't worked for any Clinton in a long long time. Nothing he says now is representative of either Clinton's views.
DeleteCarville is a close friend of the Clintons and was a main architect of their political strategies.
DeleteHis views on politics has not changed, he is a Clintonite and a neoliberal.
His wife is also a rabid right wing Republican, and he is famous for inaccurate predictions on elections.
You attributed Carville's views to the Clintons. I questioned that.
DeleteI am grateful to this site for correcting me after I was fooled about the Egg Board standards.
ReplyDeleteI respect you, David.
DeleteYou were fooled? By who? Was it expert manipulators?
DeleteDave will never be eggxactly sure who duped him, but that won't stop him from going to the most fowl sites to do his own research. And I am not yolking around. You peckers.
DeleteOn the WH Twitter account on Easter Sunday, they alternately ran tweets offering best wishes for Easter and for Transexual Visibility Day. On the Spanish-language WH account, they went solely with best wishes for Easter on Easter Sunday.
ReplyDeletePromote whoever runs the Spanish-language account. Make THAT person the head of public outreach at the WH and lose whatever tone deaf half-asleep leftist dorm room dummy who did the presidency an ill service.
It's like the old saying, little children should be seen and not heard. Transsexuals should be invisible.
DeleteI don't care how transsexuals behave. That's their business. It's the rest of us I care about.
DeleteThere's no scientific evidence that someone with male body parts and male genetics is a women. The rest of us should ignore the claim that someone is transsexual, when there's no physical or biological evidence.
Says the sad and wounded lunatic that pretends to be a woman, cruicfying others for his own sin.
DeleteAnonymouse 12:38pm, put in your resume for employment at the WH Office of Public Engagement. You’ll run the joint in no time.
DeleteAnonymouse 12:13pm, evidently that only holds true for Spanish -speaking people on Twitter.
DeleteHow many tweets did they run for Transexual Viability Day?
Delete"There's no scientific evidence that someone with male body parts and male genetics is a woman." How in the world would YOU know something like this? Have you actually done any research on the topic? I had a psychology professor who said there was some scientific evidence that indicated people's sexual identity had a lot to do with certain parts of the brain, regardless of their sexual anatomy.
DeleteI posted the scientific evidence yesterday and David is acting like that never happened. He is a huge liar.
Delete@1:48 You posted evidence that some people with biological or genetic factors could be trans. I agreed. Your evidence did NOT say the people without such factors could be trans.
DeleteAnonymouse 1:43pm, the English- language WH site on Easter Sunday ran one Easter greeting (bordered in flowers) and one Transsexual Visibility (done in pink and blue).
DeleteThe Spanish-language WH Twitter account ran the floral design Easter tweet on Easter, but no shout-out to transfolk on Easter (nor any other day that I can see).
What would “transsexual visibility” mean to people who claim to merely want to fit in with the gender they identify as being?
Evidently, the so-savvy WH Public Engagement Office coorindator for the English-speaking account thinks up the PR for Transsexual groups too.
Everyone is on a spectrum, just like everything else in the universe.
DeleteRight wingers tend to insist on binary definitions because that aligns with their goal of controlling others.
Trans people do no harm, they just want the basic human right to exist; those that want to extinguish them are morally compromised and are causing harm to both individuals and society.
Why would anyone need to say specifically that people who are not trans are not trans? It is a tautology.
DeleteAre you saying that there are Republicans walking around worried about fake trans people who merely want to use the wrong bathrooms (for kicks? why?) and go through surgery, take hormones, buy a new wardrobe, get fired off their jobs and frowned on by relatives, all to do what? Perform at a library book reading for toddlers? Get beat up on the street?
Do you know how idiotic you sound?
The article Someby sites notes Right Wingers slaming Biden for "Proclaiming" transgender visibility Day." He did no such thing. The White House did indicate that they are friendly to day. To say they proclaimed it means it was there idea and that they decided it would be on Easter. Cecelia decries this as "tone deaf", in other words, it will offend those who are offended by the notion ( not HER of course). The idea of the day, it would seem, is to promote the idea that transexual people are better not seen and not heard, and of course gay people can relate to that struggle. Many Right Wing people still feel that way about gays. But the attempt to make it sound like Joe Biden said "hey, lets have Transgender Visibility Day" is the sort of right wing trick the left wing media often cooperates with.
DeleteAnonymouse 2:28pm, what is denoted by the WH Spanish-speaking site saying nothing about Transsexual Visibility Day on Easter Sunday, is that the supervisor of that account knows her/his audience and understands politics.
DeleteThe English-language account sent an Eastern morning shout-out to trans folks when they should have kept it to two tweets on March 30.
BOTH accounts made political maneuvers.
It was probably accidental and you are over-interpreting something with no significance.
DeleteWhy would they keep it to March 30, when the actual day of remembrance was the 31st?
Cecelia, so you're saying that if President Biden completely ignored Trans Visibility Day, he would be making a political statement aimed at the kind of person who paints their the back of their pickup car with the image of President Biden bound, gagged and hog-tied in the back of a pick-up? Gee, I can't understand why he didn't do that.
DeleteI agree with you @2:26 about people who go through surgery or take hormones. I am questioning those who DON'T go through surgery, who DON'T take hormones -- people for whom no science and no objective facts can show that they're trans.
DeleteSo, if someone decides not to endure medical interventions but dresses and lives as a particular sex, they are not "real" in their choice? What about cisgender people? Are they not real because they have undergone no medical interventions?
DeleteGood question, @6:29. The people you describe may be really trans to themselves.
Delete-- Or, they may be faking in order to gain some advantage. E.g. prisoners who'd rather be housed with women than with men. Athletes like Lia Thomas who's good enough to win a woman's event but not good enough to win a men's event.
-- Or, they may simply be mistaken. How does one know what s/he "feels" s/he is, when there's no objective evidence?
-- They might be gay, but unable to feel the difference between gay and trans.
-- They might be going along with a hot, trendy movement -- especially if they're still teenagers. (I suspect this might the largest category.)
-- They might be mentally ill, like people who imagine that they're Napoleon.
BTW at one time there would have been big societal punishment for someone claiming to be trans. Not today. Today, there's social approval and approbation for claiming to be trans. Even the President of the United States makes proclamations on behalf of trans. It's not surprising that the number of people claiming to be trans rocketed up when it switched from being seen as negative to being seen as positive.
At that time, trans people didn’t reveal them selves to others because it would be dangerous. The number didn’t ratchet up. People came out of hiding.
DeleteThe difficulties of being trans do not offset the supposed advantages you think motivate faking. Your list is majorly ignorant.
DeleteA supposed characteristic based entirely on someone's feeling is rare. In most other spheres of life, people have feelings or images of themselves which may or may not be validated by objective evidence. Someone may think he's the greatest chess player, but that will be determined by who he beats and who beats. Someone may think s\he's gay and evidence would be who the person actually has sex with.
Delete@7:34 - can you provide evidence for your assertion?
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Look at murder rates for trans people.
DeleteA more general complaint is that people tend to ignore history. Thousands of years of history tell us that sex is generally binary. Not just for human beings, but for animals and even some plants. Thousands of years of history tell us that homosexuality is real. OTOH there's little or no history showing that people have genders, which may be different from their sex, and which cannot be determined except by how someone says they feel. This is a radical change.
DeleteYet, somehow we've become convinced that this ahistorical, radical idea must be accepted by all right-thinking people. This was an incredible job of persuasion!
As you pointed out, this is science not history. But there have always been trans people.There are sexual anomalies in animals too. There are cultures with names for transgender people as a category, and others not. This is not “ahistorical” just because you didn’t know about it.
Deletehttps://www.hrc.org/resources/seven-things-about-transgender-people-that-you-didnt-know
DeleteThanks for the examples from HRW @9:21. They are infinitesimal. They include a miniscule number of people from all time and from the entire world. And, it's not even certain that some of these cross-dressers really believed they were members of the opposite sex.
Deletemove those goalposts
DeleteAlways a bad move to promote acceptance of America's smallest minority that is under constant verbal and physical attack, and suffers from very high rates of suicide. Biden is truly America's greatest monster, you nasty ass bigots.
DeleteMehdi Hassan is brilliant in this interview. He refutes a lot of right wing (and "centrist") talking points: https://youtu.be/OpQ0Ss74Koo?si=Wjy36z0OAbT8rjeR&t=788
ReplyDeleteHe is one of the better public intellectuals.
DeleteOf exactly two mentions, Somerby called him a clown, over and over again in one of them.
Deletehttp://dailyhowler.blogspot.com/2023/03/trivial-incident-transformed-into-script.html?m=1
Somerby is jealous of public intellectuals.
DeleteHe wanted to be one so badly but failed, and now he is taking his bitterness out on the tribe that did not show what he felt was the appropriate deference to him.
Anonymouse 1:31pm, that makes no sense. If he merely wanted a public voice he could have gone conservative and would be a commentator on Fox.
DeleteHasan was demoted by the same network that features Rachel Maddow and Nicole McCain Wallace.
DeleteYou forget that around that time, Somerby and Al Gore were BFFs.
DeleteIf Somerby were not still pretending to be liberal, he would have no value as a propagandist. He isn't right wing enough to be appealing to Fox viewers. He taught inner city black kids! Fox viewers would think he were a commie for doing that.
Who said Bob makes sense?
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Delete"Hasan was demoted by the same network that features Rachel Maddow and Nicole McCain Wallace." And? What does that prove? This smacks of an ad hominem attack. Has nothing to do with the merits of his arguments.
Delete[Just for the record, I misspelled his name. It's Hasan.]
Anonymouse 1:45pm, that’s the usual display of anonymouse logic.
DeleteIf a once popular liberal blogger (long-time friend/defender of Al Gore) and staunch defender of Clinton during Lewinsky, et al, he’d be an asset to conservative outlets.
2:31: Of course he’d be an asset to conservative outlets. He could claim to be a liberal, and shit on liberals, like he does here. They’d love it. It’s a wonder they haven’t offered him a job.
DeleteSomerby didn't defend Clinton. He sided with Al Gore, who was a moralizing prude about Lewinsky, a blue nose.
DeleteAnonymouse 2:40pm, Bob defended Clinton consistently over his inconvenient women issues. Still does.
DeleteMike L, it is significant to Hasan’s opinions that he was too leftist for MSNBC.
DeletePerhaps, not to you, but certainly his colleagues didn’t go to bat for him on air as they did against the hiring of Ronna McDaniel.
No, Somerby does not defend Clinton. He used to point out that Monica was of age and not an intern during their encounters, but that isn't any defense of Clinton. It is an attack on the media for ignoring that she was over 21 and not working for Clinton at the time.
DeleteGoing to bat for someone means you support them. The MSNBC staff did not support McDaniel -- they attacked her, they got her fired. That has nothing to do with going to bat for Hasan.
DeleteAs with anyone's, Hasan's opinions, claims, and arguments stand or fall on the merits, not on hiring/firing decisions of MSNBC executives. Watch the video and decide for yourself how valid his arguments are.
DeleteCecelia not too leftist, too caring about Palestinian babies.
Delete"we humans have always behaved in the ways the friends behaved this day. We humans have long been the war-seeking animal"
ReplyDeleteThis is Somerby's claim, and his alone; he offers no evidence, and there is none, as the claim is false. Somerby has become fond of mouthing off on subjects he knows nothing about.
This is the folly of storytelling, people read stories and think they can then extrapolate out a theory on human behavior; however, we have decades of research in behavioral science that indicates Somerby's claim is nonsense. In fact, for most of our existence, about 95%, modern humans have existed under largely egalitarian circumstances.
Blue tribers know both that Fox tried to make hay out of the secular egg and trans celebrations, and that they were corrected live on air by a Fox News reporter who explained that trans day is always 3/31 and that the eggs have always been secular. We have all seen the clip, its all over blue tribe media.
Politics involves making decisions for groups and who gets to make those decisions, cable news plays no significant role in this other than to provide some motivation for voters; blue tribers are not personally offended by Fox News propagandizing, we understand the dynamics and generally feel bad for those trapped by a right wing personality trait.
Yet another dud from Somerby.
Anonymouse 12:35pm. however could we extrapolate any valuable information concerning humanity via literature, fables, fairy tales, folklore, dramas…that have sprung from the hearts and minds of mere people.
Deleteshort answer: no
DeleteStories can have value, they can entertain, spur one's imagination, or be emotionally comforting, but generally they are useless for gaining broad coherent insight into human nature, and often are tools for those seeking some kind of dominance - sometimes merely monetary or social status, but also often more pernicious goals.
DeleteStories are not naturally occurring, they are invented by a person with a personal agenda.
Short answer: of course. That's part of their enduring appeal. I wish instead of the Iliad, Bob would draw parallels between current affairs and more relevant books like "1984" and "Lord of the Flies."
DeleteOof, those books are notorious for getting human behavior wrong.
DeleteOf course, if you enjoyed them, more power to you.
Are we currently existing under largely egalitarian circumstances? When was the last time a population on earth lived in largely egalitarian circumstances?
DeleteAnonymouse 3:10pm, how did the claim go from “sooner or later things fall apart because our nature is fallible” to “humans can never progress and rise from the ruins because we are fallible”?
DeleteCecelia, what on earth are you talking about? No one said either of those things.
DeleteIceland lives under largely egalitarian circumstances.
Approximately 0.0046% of the Earth's population lives in Iceland.
Delete"In fact, for most of our existence, about 95%, modern humans have existed under largely egalitarian circumstances."
DeleteBy modern humans you mean Homo sapiens, the species that emerged around 300,000 to 200,000 years ago?
That is alleged evidence that we humans have not long been the war-seeking animal?
Anonymouse 3:41pm, I’m writing about that you’ve morphed Bob’s view into being that humans are hopeless. He’s not saying that at all simply because he talks about the predictable course of ups and downs due to human nature.
DeleteIt’s interesting that you can slam Bob for talking about the cycles of history and of human nature, while you’re calling half your country men “terrible people” who wish to destroy democracy and the entire planet.
Bob is positively an optimist as compared to you,
Cecelia is doing more Somerby whispering, telling us what he really means by poking around in his psyche and making things up that he never said (or would say). That ought to be illegal, given how invasive it is.
DeleteSomerby knows nothing whatsoever about psychology, sociology, social or cultural anthrpology, or prehistoric humans and their lifestyles. He makes foolish statements that he perhaps considers jokes but that are entirely inaccurate. When someone points that out, folks like Cecelia, tell us what Somerby really meant, substituting their own ignorance and stupidity.
Somerby is not an optimist compared to anyone.
Corby is certainly fake.
ReplyDeleteDavid is possibly fake.
Cecelia is genuine.
Cecelia pretends to be a woman, but that does not necessarily mean his other claims are disingenuous, it just makes it more of a likelihood.
DeleteAnonymouse 1:26pm, you’re not everlastingly on a tirade about me and my opinions because they’re disingenuous pretenses. You’re offended because I truly believe what I say.
DeleteI don't think you believe much of what you say, it's obvious you are just out to "own the libs", to get that emotional hit.
DeleteIt's not a "tirade", amusing as that triggered conveyance is, I am challenging you to be a better person.
She has to want to change.
DeleteAnonymouse 1:52pm, you’re not a mere lib. You’re an anonymouse. You’re militant and mission-minded. Blinkered. Anonymices “own” themselves with their posts.
DeleteWhat is with this obnoxious troll who follows Cecelia around constantly questioning her womanhood? How bizarre is that?
DeleteI’ve considered changing my nym to Elizabeth Marilyn Ava Grace Tackett on her behalf.
DeleteHow bizarre is it to pretend to be female when you aren't? And how bizarre is it to pretend to be liberal when you repeat MAGA talking points incessantly? And how bizarre is it for a human being to call himself Dogface?
DeleteCecelia contributes nothing to this community. It is nice here when she is gone. Why does she keep coming around where she is unwanted?
I think it might be time for you to get out of your parents' basement and get a job.
Delete“How bizarre is it to pretend to be female when you aren't? “
DeleteIt’s gender dysphoria. We tolerate it in people’s private lives and to the extend that employers and religious groups will in these people’s public lives.
So this troll essentially admits that he follows Cecelia around trying to gender-shame her into leaving this comment section. This is despicable behavior.
DeleteAll you proud progressives out there - Why do I hear nothing but silence about this?
DeleteDon't feed the trolls.
DeleteOh, DG, for all you and the anonymouse know, I could be a man pretending to a woman.
DeleteWhich she rightly finds bizarre.
George, agreed. She (pretty sure it's a she) engages in the exact things she rails against: gender-based attacks, name-calling, lying (deliberately misreading what Somerby and others write), and most of the time arguing in bad faith -- not to present legitimate counterarguments, but just to "one up" anyone who disagrees with her. Ironically, in the process, she is more likely to turn people away from the liberal side.
DeleteMike L, I don't think it’s any sort of political strategy, she’s just not very bright.
DeleteKeep telling yourself that.
DeleteFollows Cecelia around? You cannot avoid her. She came here uninvited and annoys everyone.
DeleteAnonymouse 6:10pm, aren’t we all very lucky that Bob blogs and that he opens his door to commenters.
DeleteWar was always here. Before man was, war waited for him. The ultimate trade awaiting its ultimate practitioner. That is the way it was and will be. That way and not some other way.
ReplyDeleteAnonymouse 1:00pm, kill or be killed awaited the dinosaurs too.
DeleteDinosaurs ate mammals.
DeleteMany of the dinosaurs were herbivores.
DeleteWell, if perennial depressive and pessimist Cormac McCarthy wrote it in one of his many apocalyptic tomes, then it must be true.
DeleteAnonymouse 1:54pm, and that made their environment peaceful and made the world less about lunch?
DeleteYes, have you never watched rabbits?
DeleteNever.
DeleteAnonymouse 3:35pm, they are sweet and precious.
DeleteThey are herbivores.
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