How did Candidate Obama "plan to pay for it?"

THURSDAY, OCTOBER 10, 2024

When's the last time anyone did? How competent are the mainstream journalists at the very top of the pile? A remark today in the New York Times called this question to mind.

Once again, the Times is offering a detailed "Political Memo" concerning Candidate Harris's interview style.  Under current circumstances, this strikes us as perhaps a bit strange all by itself, but we'll leave that topic for tomorrow. 

For now, consider the highlighted statement about Harris's "economic plan:"

POLITICAL MEMO
In Interviews, Kamala Harris Continues to Bob and Weave

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Politicians, and presidents in particular, have long treated the ability to bob and weave through uncomfortable questions while remaining on message as a skill to be mastered, like the precise footing required of a carpenter navigating a high-pitched roof.

Bill Clinton’s famous line, “I feel your pain,” was deployed to diffuse an activist’s plea for details on how to end the AIDS epidemic. George W. Bush sabotaged questions about climate change by treating facts as partisan assertions. Barack Obama took his message to social media and largely avoided interviews with White House beat reporters.

This week, Ms. Harris put her own stamp on the art of the dodge.

On “60 Minutes,” she declined to answer a question about whether she considered Benjamin Netanyahu, the prime minister of Israel, to be a close ally. She also refused to detail how she would pay for a $3 trillion economic plan.

Borrowing from Candidate Reagan, There [they] go again!

Question: Has Candidate Harris actually proposed "a $3 trillion economic plan?" We're not even sure what that's supposed to mean!

Clearly, that statement seems to refer to this question from Monday evening's 60 Minutes interview:

WHITAKER (10/7/24): It is estimated by the nonpartisan Committee for A Responsible Federal Budget that your economic plan would add $3 trillion to the federal deficit over the next decade. How are you going to pay for that?

That was Bill Whitaker's question. As we noted yesterday, we thought the question was strange. 

But even Whitaker didn't say that Harris had proposed "a $3 trillion economic plan." He said that (according to one estimate) she had proposed a plan which would increase "the federal deficit" by that amount over the next ten years.

No, those aren't the same thing! (For the record, Whitaker probably should have said that her plan, as assessed by that one org, would increase "federal deficits" by that amount, or would increase "the federal debt over what is currently projected.")

That said, is it true? Has Candidate Harris proposed "a $3 trillion economic plan?" We're not even sure what that means. 

Presumably, the federal spending her plan contemplates would vastly exceed that amount. So would the amount of federal revenue collected. 

How would we get from that to "a $3 trillion plan?" Also, just how literate are our mainstream journalists and orgs, even at the highest levels?

We'll move on to riddle you this question:

Question! When was the last time any major party nominee proposed to "pay for" his or her economic plan? Putting it another way, when was the last time any such nominee offered a plan which contemplated balanced budgets or budget surpluses over the course of ten years.

As we noted yesterday, all four major candidates in Campaign 2000—Gore and Bradley, Bush and McCain—contemplated budget surpluses over the course of ten years. 

At that time, the OMB and the CBO were projecting annual surpluses as far as the eye could see. Given that circumstance, everyone's budget plan contemplated reducing the national debt over the course of ten years. 

(Even after Candidate Bush's tax cut proposal, the budget authorities were still projecting surpluses.)

That said, the fiscal situation rapidly changed. Has anyone proposed balanced budgets, or budget surpluses, in any election since then?

As far as we know, no one has! Here's an account from the Washington Post which mentions Candidate Obama's budget proposals in each of his two campaigns:

Obama’s 2013 budget proposal launches election-year debate

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The president's plan would push this year's deficit above current projections, with the budget gap growing to $1.33 trillion—slightly higher than last year's $1.3 trillion deficit and $200 billion more than congressional budget analysts recently projected for the fiscal year that ends in September.

The deficit would fall to $900 billion in 2013, and government borrowing would continue to slow through 2022, leaving the debt elevated by historic standards but no longer growing faster than the overall economy.

Senior administration officials said the blueprint offers a balanced approach that would protect the middle class while asking for greater sacrifice from the most fortunate. Every dollar in tax increases would be matched with $2.50 in spending cuts, they said, counting $1 trillion in previously adopted cuts to agency budgets.

Republicans immediately attacked the higher deficit figures, noting that Obama had failed to achieve his 2009 goal of cutting the deficit in half by the end of his first term.

"Government borrowing would continue to slow," but federal deficits would not go away. Looking ahead, the president wasn't proposing to "pay for" his various spending plans, nor had he proposed doing so during his first campaign.

We don't mean this as a criticism of Obama! But as you can see, he never said that he would balance the budget or run surpluses. When it came to his budget plans, he never claimed that he would be able "to pay for it."

Suddenly, Bill Whitaker was wondering how Candidate Harris was planning "to pay for it!" As we noted yesterday, the answer is amazingly simple—she isn't proposing "to pay for it!" As far as we know, neither has any other nominee, R or D, in recent White House campaigns.

Whitaker seemed confused by the logic of this situation. Today's report in the Times is even worse.

We tend to assume that these people are sharp. Time and again, it almost seems that, on the rare occasion, they perhaps and possibly aren't!


22 comments:

  1. From Jeff Teidrich:

    "have you ever seen a more Stockholm-syndromed bunch of pathetic shitweasels than the worthless scribblers of the corporate-controlled media?

    Donny Convict has them totally fucking cowed. he abuses them. he lies straight to their faces. he calls them the enemy of the state. he threatens to sue them. he promises to chuck them into prison. he pens them up at his hate-rallies and encourages his deranged worshipers to attack them.

    he holds quote-unquote “press conferences” where he either doesn’t take questions at all, or only takes questions from Newsmax and Fox’s compliant propagandists.

    and how does the media react to all this? they fucking gobble it up. please sir, may I have some more?

    Donny Convict can do no wrong — but Kamala Harris? there is nothing she can do that will please the press."

    Or Obama either.

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  2. Somerby isn't serious. This is a waste of everyone's time.

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    1. Good to see Bob still at it. Remember reading the Howler every day years ago, but like everything else, it slid off my radar.

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  3. "But how will you pay for it?" is a lazy, inaccurate, narrative-driven way to ask a more serious question.

    More precisely, "The plans you describe require an increase in government spending. Our country already runs a budget deficit. Will you take any steps to increase federal revenue?"

    Yes, it's way more wonky that way. However, it has the benefit of not ignoring current practice or assuming that all new programs will be "paid for."

    If one absolutely must simplify, how about "Those programs will cost a lot of money. Do you have plans for the government to take in more revenue to offset some or all of the costs?"

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    1. Well said, Quaker. One quibble. The better question should be "Do you have plans for the government to take in more revenue or cut other spendingto offset..."

      Actually the question I would prefer would ask the unsustainable deficit even without new benefits and taxcuts.

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    2. Has anyone gotten a coherent response from Trump about how decreasing revenue from cutting taxes on the wealthy will not add to the deficit? I doubt it.

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    3. At 10:11, I would say Bob is correct. Trump did not intend to pay for his tax cuts. Someone like Mitch McConnell, when confronted by the way he exploded the debt, said no he didn’t, the problem is entitlements. And by that they mean Medicare and Social Security. When the Nation goes bust, the plan is to come to the voters and explain the can’t be afforded anymore.

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    4. Is that supposed to be a good thing? Shouldn't the president think about the consequences of his payoffs to the wealthy?

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    5. David, recall what I posted just the other day--and you concurred. Just six major budget items consume all of our projected revenues: Social Security, Medicare, Defense, veterans, government pensions, and interest on debt.

      Which of those shall we cut?

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    6. I don't care about teaching morons, like Cecelia and David in Cal, about the problems of the deficit.
      I want to teach defense contractors about it, so they understand when we zero out the Defense budget.

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  4. My comments are being removed.

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    1. You say this flippantly, but who we elect matters. Trump has a bad habit of incurring unnecessary deaths during his term in office. Not everyone gets to live with someone like him in office.

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  5. If it's true Harris has been asked questions to which she hasn't given a direct response, then she'll lose my vote.

    I've never heard of such behavior from a politician, and I know the American people won't stand for it.

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    1. "In 2016, the mainstream media infamously decided that the biggest story of the election was Hillary Clinton’s use of a private email server while secretary of state. The New York Times led the obsessive feeding frenzy, with as much front page coverage of Clinton’s emails in one week as all policy issues got in more than two months.

      Clinton’s emails as a story outweighed a huge number of Trump scandals of far greater import — not least a string of women who accused him of sexual harassment and assault. NYT’s coverage was obviously ridiculous at the time and looks even worse in hindsight as we’ve learned more about Trump scandals and malfeasance that the media missed back then.

      Yet the NYT never apologized to readers or formally reevaluated its 2016 election coverage. And now, the media seems prepared to take a similar approach to Kamala Harris. Only this time the scandal they want to focus on is not email server usage. Instead, Harris’s sin, in the eyes of the mainstream press, is that she is … not being sufficiently deferential to the mainstream press.

      Harris, the media insists again and again, will not sit down for interviews with them. This is, first of all, not true. Harris has done numerous media interviews while Trump dodges debates and sit-downs with anyone but his sycophants."

      Noah Berlatsky

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  6. Perhaps the media is being less biased left because they think Trump is going to win,

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    1. Perhaps the media crave corporate tax breaks, the way David in Cal crave's bigotry.

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    2. Right, Dickhead. They totally forgot he tried to incite an insurrection. You must be so tickled.

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  7. Meanwhile Trump stutters and stammers his way through a speech in Detroit today, rambling on about whatever the fuck Biden circles are, drooling and slurring as he incoherently droned on.

    This is no exaggeration, go watch clips on YouTube, Trump is now worse than Biden ever was.

    Amazing to see how far he has declined, since back in the day Trump was spry enough to sexually assault multiple women, and even rape a 13yo girl.

    But now Trump is obviously severely depressed (he has seen the polls) and battling significant cognitive decline.

    Again, go watch the clips, it’s stunning how bad his decline is.

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  8. Agreed. When, at the debate, Harris suggested watching one of his rallies, people should have done so. He can’t think coherently anymore.He could barely do so as president. No one has explained the need to cart him off on a Saturday to Walter Reed and administer a dementia test, during his presidency. The press has failed badly in not addressing this.

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    1. On the other hand, watching him denigrate the city of Detroit at a rally in Detroit was pure genius.

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