TRUST: High achievers say the strangest things!

THURSDAY, APRIL 10, 2025

Elon Musk, come on down: With substantial regularity, highly accomplished people say the darnedest things.

They may say, and even believe, the darnedest things! Once you step outside their area of achievement, they may even turn out to have a whole bunch of crazy ideas.

Harvard history professor Jill Lepore visited this realm of being in a fascinating guest essay in Sunday's New York Times. Her essay takes us back to the early 1930s—to the start of the Great Depression—but her essay is also as current as our own day's crackpot headlines.

Professor Lepore was back in the past. But she was principally discussing a very important present-day figure. 

Her essay starts as shown below. It then takes us into the realm of badly failed human discernment and stone-cold nutty ideas:

The Failed Ideas That Drive Elon Musk

President Trump has reportedly told cabinet members that Elon Musk may soon leave the administration. If and when he goes, what will he leave behind?

Mr. Musk has long presented himself to the world as a futurist. Yet, notwithstanding the gadgets—the rockets and the robots and the Department of Government Efficiency Musketeers, carrying backpacks crammed with laptops, dreaming of replacing federal employees with large language models—few figures in public life are more shackled to the past.

In Lepore's assessment, Musk isn't simply "shackled to the past." More specifically, Musk seems to be shackled to an array of the past's "failed ideas."

Let's punch up that language. As Lepore lays out the landscape, we'd have to say that DOGEmaster Musk can almost seem to be shackled to a set of borderline crazy ideas. As happenstance would have it, those crazy ideas track back to Musk's maternal grandfather, Joshua Haldeman—to a man who died when Musk himself was just three years old.

Who the heck was Joshua Haldeman? As we noted yesterday, the leading authority on his life presents this unflattering thumbnail:

Joshua N. Haldeman

Joshua Norman Haldeman (1902-1974) was an American-born Canadian-South African chiropractor, aviator, and politician. He became involved in Canadian politics, backing the technocracy movement, before moving to South Africa in 1950. Over the course of decades, he repeatedly expressed racist, antisemitic, and antidemocratic views. In South Africa he was a supporter of apartheid and promoted a number of conspiracy theories. A pilot since 1948, he died in a plane crash in 1974. Haldeman is the maternal grandfather of businessman Elon Musk.

Haldeman was born in 1902 in Pequot Lakes, Minnesota...[H]is mother studied at E. W. Lynch's Chiropractic School in Minneapolis and earned her D.C. on January 20, 1905. The family then moved to Saskatchewan, where she became the first recorded chiropractor in Canada.

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In 1950, [Haldeman] emigrated with his family to South Africa and settled in the capital Pretoria, where he opened a chiropractic clinic. He served as secretary of the South African Chiropractors Association from 1952 to 1959, after which he was its president until 1969.

He was born in Pequot Lakes, but he grew up in Canada. In that northern land, he became a backer of "the technocracy movement"—a political movement which was briefly influential, despite the highly unusual ideas which lay at the heart of its struggle. 

Haldeman wasn't an industrial giant or a massively accomplished public figure. Today, his famous grandson plainly is. 

That said, Lepore marvels at the way the modern-day Musk seems to share the peculiar ideas which lay at the heart of his grandfather's movement. He was only three when his grandfather died, but ideas can be hard to kill.

Alas! Highly accomplished public figures—massive achievers like Elon Musk—may turn out to have crazy ideas, and very poor judgment, when you take them outside their narrow lane of accomplishment.

At any rate, what the heck was the long forgotten "technocracy movement?" Below, we'll quote Lepore as she highlights some of the movement's weird proposals. To simplify, the leading authority on the movement provides this overview:

Technocracy movement

The technocracy movement was a social movement active in the United States and Canada in the 1930s which favored technocracy as a system of government over representative democracy and concomitant partisan politics...Technocracy was ultimately overshadowed by other proposals for dealing with the crisis of the Great Depression. The technocracy movement proposed replacing partisan politicians and business people with scientists and engineers who had the technical expertise to manage the economy...

At that time, plain old "representative democracy" seemed to be failing. This movement proposed handing the reins to a new set of philosopher kings—to the brilliant scientists and engineers who would be able to noodle out the best way to shape the society.

Has this started to sound a tiny bit familiar? In the present day, Dogemaster Musk and his "engineers" have been allowed to intercede in all sorts of federal agencies. They've been applying their technical brilliance—their "expertise"—to the pitifully failed undertakings of elected officials and government employees and others within the deep state.

Some of them may be 19 years old; they may have names like "Big Balls." That said, the theory seems to be that their technical brilliance will overcome any obstacles as they reorder the world in a way which at last makes sense.

Unfortunately, highly accomplished technical people will sometimes turn out to be extremely dumb in all other areas. Musk himself has paraded about with a 3-year-old pendant draped on his neck, making one clownish claim after another, as his DOGE bros have blundered ahead. 

Our journalism seems to lack an established language for reporting the sheer stupidity of this highly accomplished industrialist. That said, how dumb can people of this general type be? 

That brings us to Lepore's remarkable recollection of the highly peculiar dreams and ideas which lay at the heart of the technocracy movement, back in the day when Musk's grandfather believed that he could reinvent the basic shape of the world.

How nutty were the original technocrats? We human beings can have the darnedest ideas! In this passage, Professor Lepore starts to describe the movement which seemed to make sense to Musk's grandfather:

The Failed Ideas That Drive Elon Musk

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Joshua Haldeman [was] a cowboy, chiropractor, conspiracy theorist and amateur aviator known as the Flying Haldeman. Mr. Musk’s grandfather was also a flamboyant leader of the political movement known as technocracy.

Leading technocrats proposed replacing democratically elected officials and civil servants—indeed, all of government—with an army of scientists and engineers under what they called a technate. Some also wanted to annex Canada and Mexico. At technocracy’s height, one branch of the movement had more than a quarter of a million members.

Under the technate, humans would no longer have names; they would have numbers. One technocrat went by 1x1809x56. (Mr. Musk has a son named X Æ A-12.) Mr. Haldeman, who had lost his Saskatchewan farm during the Depression, became the movement’s leader in Canada. He was technocrat No. 10450-1.

Technocracy first gained worldwide attention in 1932 but soon splintered into rival factions. Technocracy Incorporated was founded and led by a former New Yorker named Howard Scott. Across the continent, rival groups of technocrats issued a flurry of tracts, periodicals and pamphlets explaining, for instance, how “life in a technocracy” would be utterly different from life in a democracy: “Popular voting can be largely dispensed with.”

Technocrats argued that liberal democracy had failed. One Technocracy Incorporated pamphlet explained how the movement “does not subscribe to the basic tenet of the democratic ideal, namely that all men are created free and equal.”...Mr. Scott’s army of technocrats would eliminate most government services: “Even our postal system, our highways, our Coast Guard could be made much more efficient.” Overlapping agencies could be shuttered, and “90 percent of the courts could be abolished.”

They wanted to bring on "the technate!" We humans would swap our tired old names for numbers—for new names like X Æ A-12!

Canada and Mexico would be annexed by the United States. Popular voting would go. We'd turn it all over to a group of intellectual giants. They would make the trains ruin on time. They'd make the Coast Guard efficient.

This was a journey back to an ancient idea—to the ancient dream of that philosopher king. The technocrats may have been completely sincere in what they proposed—but were they also perhaps a bit nutty?

Decades ago, in the desperate, darkest moment of the Depression, technocracy seemed, briefly, poised to prevail against democracy...In the four months from November 1932 to March 1933, The New York Times published more than 100 stories about the movement. And then the bubble appeared to burst. By summer [1933], Technocrats Magazine and The Technocracy Review had gone out of print.

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Nevertheless, technocracy endured. Its spectacles grew alarming: Technocrats wore identical gray suits and drove identical gray cars in parades that evoked for concerned observers nothing so much as Italian Fascists. Mr. Musk’s grandfather was a technocracy stalwart. 

So it apparently went. Occasionally, it got even stranger than that, as we'll note tomorrow.

Stating the obvious, the possible sins of the maternal grandfather should not be visited on the highly accomplished grandson. Also, many of the technocrats were almost surely fully sincere in their dreams of this new world order.

That said, we humans can have the darnedest ideas! How nutty did some of these technocrats possibly seem? For a look at the identical suits, you can just click here.

The identical cars may be even stranger. To glimpse the movement's "Grey Fleet," click this, then scroll down.

Tomorrow, we'll show you more from Lepore's essay. For today, we'd suggest this:

Accomplished people may often fail to understand one key fact about themselves: Their high achievement in one specific area doesn't mean that they are "highly stable geniuses" is any other moral or intellectual realm.

In fact, accomplished people may often have the weirdest ideas and make the dumbest possible statements! As a general matter, their powers of reasoning may not be great. Swollen by their sense of self, they may not always be obsessively honest.

So it possibly seems to be in the case of the endless ridiculous claims issued by Elon Musk. Should a sensible American citizen trust the things this rather strange person says and does?

He has said a lot of extremely strange things. Who can a citizen trust?

Tomorrow: Journalistic deference! Within that world, who can a citizen trust?


86 comments:


  1. "High achievers say the strangest things!"

    Yes. That's why we Democrats only listen to the losers like ourselves.

    And we enjoy listening to retards, idiots, and losers. It feels real comfortable.

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    1. "They're eating the dogs."

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    2. If you listen to Somerby, no one can be trusted, not even Somerby himself (even though he is a low achiever).

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    3. Yup, and that type of "anything is possible" view is highly associated with an authoritarian worldview.

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  2. Good news on inflation.
    “Core inflation, which excludes food and energy, rose just 0.1% in March, the slowest monthly pace in nine months. Year-over-year, core prices climbed 2.8%, marking the tamest reading since mid-2021.”

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    1. That doesn't account for after the Mad King Dumbfuck decided to start a global recession.

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    2. High inflation is crucial when Trump can be blamed. Low inflation is unimportant when Trump deserves credit.

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    3. that fucking maniac has just ravaged my 401K and you want me to throw him flowers because inflation came down to 2.8%, when he had fucking jack shit to do with the inflation numbers. fuck you, maggot breath

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    4. Whoa. Ruining idiot-moonbat's non-existent 401K is a nice bonus.

      Thank you, Mr. President.

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    5. 10:37: 10:31 didn’t say his 401(k) was nonexistent, at least not yet. I mean, Trump hasn’t had a full opportunity to wipe out everyone’s 401(k)s just yet. But I understand that it’s difficult for you to keep up with the stable genius. One day he hikes up tariffs way high and says “my policies will never change”, and you have to come here and defend that as the greatest strategy in the history of the universe. Then two days later he backs down on the tariffs and you have to come back here to tell us that that is the greatest strategy in the universe. Having a lack of shame and embarrassment is a prerequisite of worshiping at the altar of the orange God. We all understand that.

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    6. Great one, trumptard.

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    7. Whatever idiot-Democrats are squealing about the loudest today is the the greatest strategy in the history of the universe, today.

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    8. A truly trumptarded remark.

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    9. Anon @ 10:31am:

      Are you retiring today, tomorrow, or in the next couple of months?

      If not, what are you worried about? The contributions to your 401k will now buy a little bit more due to the drop in the market.

      And if you are, then it's your fault for not reducing the amount of equities in your 401k plan.

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    10. Food prices are way up along with things like clothing, healthcare, and furniture, and while gas prices and a few other services have dipped, it is temporary because it is due to the growing chaotic circumstances brought on by Trump.

      Hardly anything to cheer about.

      Biden handed off a healthy economy that was slowly improving the lives of Americans, and Trump threw it all in the dump in order to benefit himself and a handful of his wealthy cronies.

      It is Reagan all over again, but on steroids, and with any semblance of integrity dispensed with. The silver lining may be that, just as with the result of Reagan, America turns to the adults in the room, although hopefully with better choices than the neoliberalism of Clinton and Obama.

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    11. I can remember a time when DiC told us 2.8% "is not 2 percent" and thus was still too high.

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    12. 11:49, what if I am close to retirement this year? Then it is my fault that I didn't anticipate a fucking clown blowing up the economy doing something that hasn't happened ever before in the country's 250 year history. Got it. Fuck you too.

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    13. I heard an actual authority on the economy say that when gas prices go down, it predicts a recession.

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  3. Focus is on what Musk said, but the important thing is what he accomplished. DOGE has saved an enormous amount of money. Past Presidents for the last 30 years all promised to cut waste. Musk is the only one who is fulfilling this promise.

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    1. fuck you, Dickhead. You just come here every day and repeat the same bullshit. We don't have to accept this unelected billionaire's lies. Go fuck yourself.

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    2. David, I will ask you once again: do you trust the billionaire volunteers? And apparently your answer is decidedly yes. Everyone keeps asking you what evidence do you have for that, but you don’t seem to put forth any evidence except “Musk told me.” That’s blindly trusting them, not verifying them by demanding actual evidence.

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    3. "Musk is the only one who is fulfilling this promise."

      Musk did what any competent middle schooler could have done if he'd been given the authority.

      What is wrong with you?

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    4. DOGE has yet to prove they have saved any money at all. It is all shrouded in mystery, purposely so.

      We know that Trump rejected his own plan to buy $400 million of Cybertrucks, so there is that.

      Trump/Musk have halted funding for medical research including cancer research, halted funding for school lunch and other food programs, etc, but if you call that "saving" money, you are suffering from a serious mental impairment.

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    5. How much money has DOGE saved and compared to what?

      Go check in with your favorite fact source, Professor Otto Yorass, and get back to us.

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    6. "DOGE has" claimed it has "saved an enormous amount of money."

      It has yet to present evidence that doesn't evaporate on examination.

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  4. Somerby tips his hand when he calls Musk “highly accomplished”. Inheriting money is not an achievement. Nor is buying stuff.

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    1. 'Tips his hand' meaning what?

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    2. Meaning his essays are never about their superficial topics.

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    3. Meaning Somerby's criticisms of Musk are largely performative.

      Musk knows nothing about coding or computers or engineering etc, Musk's skills and highest accomplishments lie in his ability to con others, he is the world's leading snake oil salesman.

      Yet Somerby wants to frame Musk as some kind of highly accomplished tech wiz, ignoring the reality that Musk has become wealthy off of American taxpayers subsidizing his vaporware.

      Then Somerby launches into a long soliloquy about "technocracy", which unsurprisingly sounds a lot like what Somerby seems to endorse in his postings: viewing democracy with cynicism and preferring instead a hierarchy of elite "experts".

      Somerby tiptoes around Musk's heritage, but here is what Musk's dad (the man that has had kids with his own stepdaughter, whom he raised) says about Musk's grandparents:

      "They used to support Hitler and all that sort of stuff...In Canada, they were part of the Nazi, the German party in Canada, and they sympathized with the Germans."

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    4. Why would a supposed liberal consider Musk “accomplished”? He’s a drug addled freak. The idea of trusting him with anything is ludicrous. So why is Somerby discussing his grandfather (who is irrelevant) and not Trump’s stock market grift?

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    5. Got it.

      A post with the theme of how 'strange' are Musk's beliefs and actions, and that refers to Musk's "sheer stupidity" and says he may have "crazy ideas" and "poor judgment" and that highly accomplished people will be "extremely dumb in all other areas" is largely 'performative' which means, apparently, that Somerby doesn't really mean what he says?

      Keep spinning it, babe.

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    6. So you believed Trump when he said a beautiful healthcare plan was two weeks away?

      You are literal only when it serves your agenda.

      Everybody knows Trump is a pathological liar, but only longtime readers of Somerby know his arc of leaning into his right wing tendencies in recent years. Having said that, unless you are a fanboy, Somerby's right wing agenda is not that hard to discern from his coyness.

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    7. It is distraction 11:49. Musk is leaving DOGE and has nothing to do with anything any more. Trump has obviously chosen Navarro over Musk. So NOW Somerby decides to talk about Musk?

      Somerby never means what he says, largely because he never says anything directly. What is his attitude toward Musk? It seems like he may be critical and yet he uses so many positive adjectives, and he explicitly says the sins of the grandfather cannot be counted against the grandson, so why talk about Haldeman at all? Today's essay is a mass of garbage while Somerby ignores the drama being played out over the stock market. Why doesn't Somerby discuss those tariffs? Does he not understand what is going on? Here is a helpful explanation:

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j04IAbWCszg

      And while we are at it, why does Somerby have fanboys who come here to attack anyone who thinks Somerby is disingenuous? What is their motive in defending someone who is routinely incomprehensible in any context? Are they co-admirers of Anne Frank or are they panting for the next transcript of the best of Gutfeld?

      Can this asshole even write a coherent summary of Somerby's essay's main point today? I'll bet he can't. Chat GPT was up to the task. It said Somerby's main point was that accomplished individuals in one field should not be trusted when they venture opinions in another field. Duh!

      Is that what Musk has been doing? Of course not. He has been implementing Trump's destructive agenda by ruining people's lives and firing people, undoing DEI and cutting important govt services, in service to Trump and Project 2025. That has nothing to do with technocracy or Haldeman and everything to do with making oligarchs richer and the American people oppressed.

      Somerby isn't even honest about what Musk's job is as Trump's henchman. Somerby is pretending Musk is a harmless eccentric and not the guy with the chain saw.

      But some fanboy thinks I'm "spinning"? Somerby should do himself and the rest of us a big favor by taking down his blog and watching more Fox News. He is making a fool of himself here and not accomplishing anything useful for anybody. Same goes for the Republican trolls that infest these comments. Why are they here and why don't they go away?

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    8. "What is his (Bob's) attitude toward Musk?"

      It's in the title of the bloody post! Bob thinks he's a high achiever in some fields and thinks strange things outside those fields.

      Glad I could help.

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    9. Bob's misleading and inaccurate framing of Musk reveals the disingenuousness of his post.

      But I suppose you really believe the products you buy are "new and improved", more power to you. After all, where would Musk be without suckers like you?

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    10. I loathe Musk but you think I'm his fan because I've defended Bob. I think that's called out-of-your-ass logic.

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    11. When journalists engage in calling people high achievers who think bizarre things outside their fields of expertise, it is called whitewashing those people. It is normalizing their bizarre thoughts by (1) suggesting that all high achievers think bizarre stuff, (2) suggesting that the high achievement somehow excuses or balances off the bizarre thoughts.

      Somerby takes this a step further by not questioning why Musk has been allowed to rampage through govt agencies that he knows nothing whatsoever about, destroying whatever takes his fancy. Surely Musk's business achievements do not justify that behavior? Somerby doesn't explicitly say that one doesn't excuse the other, even though that should not only be obvious but the whole point when discussing Musk. He wasn't elected. He wasn't confirmed by Congress. He wasn't officially the head of DOGE but acted as if he were (so Trump lied to the courts). He has no background, training, expertise to head DOGE much less redesign social security software of anything else. He needs to leave, ASAP. He has done way too much harm to way too many people, and nothing about X or Space-X or any other company he owns justifies that.

      Instead, Somerby implies that we should forgive Musk his eccentricities because that is just what high achievers are like (hint: no, they are not), and besides, he is just another poor lost boy whose father had kids with his own step-daughter, so what do we expect?

      The strange things that Musk thinks are hurting people right and left. How long will we put up with this? Somerby's answer is that we should be patient with Musk because these smart boys need space to be themselves.

      Now I have to go vomit.

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    12. "When journalists engage in calling people high achievers who think bizarre things outside their fields of expertise, it is called whitewashing those people."

      Fascinating. Called 'whitewashing by who? You and your cats?

      There's no one of whom that statement could be true? How comprehensive your knowledge is.

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    13. Musk’s bizarreness is not excused by his business deals, any more than Trump’s rapes and crimes are excused by his bankruptcies.

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  5. 'Even as Trump calmed the markets...he also raised new questions by suggesting he would consider exempting some US companies from tariffs, saying he would make any such decisions “instinctively.”'

    So businesses will have to plan around predicting what Trump's 'instincts' are from day to day. Recipe for success.

    Dow down 1,100 today.

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    1. But at least there's peace in Ukraine. On day one.

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    2. The plan is coming together.

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    3. Instinctively means he will exempt whoever bribes him.

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  6. What is this business about trusting Musk? We have no choice. He has been foisted upon us.

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  7. Peace is on the Way:

    "Russia was one of the very few countries spared in Trump’s tariff barrage (because) slapping it with tariffs could disrupt peace talks—a reasoning that apparently didn’t apply to Ukraine, which did get tariffed."

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  8. Somerby's buyer's remorse over Trump is...a Kuss auf die Fingerspitzen, a real Angstbrosche!

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    1. ugh. Is your brain on skip?

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    2. Ignorance aint gonna manufacture itself.

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    3. Gotta ponder that one. Never heard it before.

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  9. Trump the other day noted that most pharmaceuticals are imported, and that most countries have some type of price cap on medical drugs, and he said that is smart that they do that.

    Then he said he is going to put tariffs on imported drugs, thereby INCREASING the price of drugs, while offering nothing to support any internal growth of drug manufacturing, and even reversing some of Biden's efforts to lower drug costs - just because it had Biden's name attached. Yup, you are going to pay more for healthcare and drugs because of Trump's petty ego.

    Trump at the same time repeated his ignorance about tariffs, misunderstanding that tariffs cost Americans, not the country of origin.

    In the past few weeks, Trump has been touting the capture of three leaders in the MS 13 "gang", but this week those case were all quietly dismissed.

    The empty smugness of Trump supporters, will not hold.

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    1. If Trump is still misunderstanding anything, after all of the attempts to explain things, he is senile and needs to be removed from office.

      Those gang cases were dismissed, but the men in detention were deported. The dismissals were to enable the deportation. Not saying Trump supporters aren't smug, but why gloat over their own criminal behavior?

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    2. "this week those case were all quietly dismissed."

      Well, THAT doesn't come close to telling the story. The DOJ moved to dismiss so they could pack the accused off to El Salvador's gulag.

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    3. They gloat over their own corrupt and criminal behavior because it is all about getting an emotional hit for them, a feeling of dominance.

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    4. I'm starting to believe Democrats are not actually Democratic. They're just using the name as a crutch to promote pure Evil. When was the last time any positive things happened on the news that had to do with the Democrats? It's all negative hate news.

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    5. Sorry you feel that way. There are a lot of Republican websites where people will agree with you in the comments sections and you can continue your hate fest.

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    6. This is a Republican blog, remember?

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  10. From Tiedrich:

    "imagine, if you will, that you were a greedy amoral president, looking to profit off the enormous power you wield. here’s a fun thing you could do:

    you could impose ruinous policies that would send the markets straight into the shitter. then, you and your cronies could buy stocks on the cheap — after which, you would then announce that those policies were going fuckity-bye.

    the markets would go through the roof on that news. you and pals could cash out and score a fortune — and nobody could prove a thing.

    it’s a good thing that tomfuckery like that doesn’t occur in real life, isn’t it?"

    Meanwhile, Somerby is talking nonsense about Musk. Don't look at Trump's thinly veiled bribery and stock market manipulation -- look over here -- Musk said something weird.

    How can Republicans tolerate such a blatantly criminal president? This isn't about Musk.

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    1. "imagine, if you will, that you were a greedy amoral president, looking to profit off the enormous power you wield. here’s a fun thing you could do:"

      Personally, I would be selling painting made by my junkie son from his own excrements.

      But hey, that's just me.

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    2. What are you talking about, @12:54? WE are talking about what a president has done, not their relatives. If you want to discuss family, the current occupant has his own burdens.

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    3. How can Republicans tolerate such a blatantly criminal president?

      They know with certainty there are plenty of DiCs around who will twist themselves into pretzels to excuse it all. The only constant in the immoral souls is their unconditional adoration of the orange jesus.

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    4. Quaker - Hunter's paintings are another form of influence peddling. Joe Biden's influence. This could not have been done if Joe wanted it to stop.

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    5. DiC, what? You seem to have adopted Cecelia's penchant for nonsensical word salads. Bit flustered, perhaps?

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    6. David, there is no law against the adult children of presidents earning a living. To claim influence peddling, you would have to close the loop and show how someone who bought a painting from Hunter received some special favor from Joe Biden. There is no evidence that has ever happened.

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  11. https://www.yahoo.com/news/lawmakers-probe-usdot-ethics-oversight-150547009.html

    Jeez, it's like you can't even sell Carter's Liver Pills anymore.

    https://www.southernliving.com/culture/carters-little-liver-pills

    or for those in higher echelons

    https://youtu.be/D7WU4rHcjP8?si=Oafv2eNOQjyHE3XR

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    1. REPS. CASTOR, MIN INTRODUCE “ELON PROFITEERING ACT” TO OUTLAW CONFLICTS OF INTEREST FOR SPECIAL EMPLOYEES LIKE MUSK

      https://castor.house.gov/news/documentsingle.aspx?DocumentID=404890

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  12. The prices of goods and services are down.

    The prices of stocks are down, too.

    Trump is a stable genius.

    David in Cal is a stable moron.

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    1. The price of goods and services are generally up, the rate at which they are rising is down slightly, but only for some sectors, for many sectors the rate is rising ever higher.

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    2. Egg prices increase to record high despite Trump’s predictions and bird flu outbreak slowing

      very stable genius strikes again - I never heard of the word "groceries" until he said it.

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  13. Thanks for the link, Bob. Interesting insights by Ms. Lapore, I don't get the Sunday edition but was able to read her essay in the link you provided.

    Leroy

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  14. This article explains about how income taxes, first started by Republicans during the Civil War, has always been opposed by the wealthy elites represented mostly by the Republican Party, and how the Republicans tried to gaslight Americans about income tax, and how Republicans cutting taxes played a role in the Great Depression, and how Republican tariffs worsened the Great Depression.

    https://www.propublica.org/article/history-income-tax-history-16th-amendment-trump-tariffs-great-depression?utm_source=firefox-newtab-en-us

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    1. Trump wants to return us to the 1890's when the entire federal government was financed thru tariffs. Then he can eliminate the income tax altogether.

      I don't know why he is so concerned about the income tax, he's cheated on them his entire working life.

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    2. This goal to depend on tariffs contradicts the goal of using the tariff threat to negotiate lower tariffs both ways. That inconsistency scares me. I don't know which goal Trump will actually pursue.

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    3. Trump doesn’t understand the concept of contradiction.

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    4. You have to be able to hold two thoughts in mind at the same time, to recognize contradiction. Trump cannot do that because of his dementia. He has no working memory.

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    5. Quaker in a BasementApril 10, 2025 at 9:10 PM

      David, first we have to get the president to understand that foreign countries do not pay tariffs to the US government as he keeps insisting.

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    6. Trump is doubling his efforts to save America.

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    7. You really surprise me, Dickhead in Cal. You claimed to have watched Trump's various campaign rallies and speeches. And you thoroughly enjoyed them. You spoke glowingly of them. Did you not believe him when he promised to use tariffs to fund the federal government? That makes you pretty fucking stupid.
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      4) Raising revenue

      \WHAT TRUMP SAID: Now it's our turn to prosper, and in so doing, use trillions and trillions of dollars to reduce our taxes and pay down our national debt, and it'll all happen very quickly.

      During last year's presidential campaign, Trump regularly touted that his proposed tariffs would bring in vast sums in new revenue, which the US could then use to shrink its budget deficit, fund tax cuts and pay for new government programmes.

      A study last year by the nonpartisan Tax Foundation estimated that a 10% universal tariff – which is what Trump has landed on for at least the next 90 days – would generate $2tn in new revenue over the next 10 years.

      To put that in context, the tax cuts Congress recently included in its non-binding budget blueprint would cost approximately $5tn over the next 10 years, according to the Bipartisan Policy Center.

      https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c209x48ndjpo

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    8. Quaker - I agree. Regardless of who technically pays the tariff, from an economic POV it gets added to the price.

      But there’s a hidden assumption. The buyer
      might not be willing to pay the higher price, e.g. because of competition from domestic companies that don’t pay tariffs. Then the seller has to reduce what he charges to offset some of the tariff. So the price to the buyer would be less than the amount of the tariff.

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    9. On the other hand, Dickhead in Cal, the more likely event would be sellers using the pretext of tariffs to gouge us again just like they did with the inflation resulting from supply chain issues due to Covid. One thing we can be certain about, the King Chickenshit is promising severe pain for the working class and middle class, just like he campaigned, right Dickhead in Cal.

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  15. Democrats are suffering so much envy of Elon Musk that they quote feminist laughingstocks like Jill Lepore who is best known for outlandish lies she invents, driven by hate.

    Forbes: Jill Lepore recently published an article in The New Yorker about police violence that includes a claim so outrageous that it is difficult to understand how she or her editors could have believed it. She claimed that: “two-thirds of Americans between the ages of fifteen and thirty-four who were treated in emergency rooms suffered from injuries inflicted by police and security guards . . .”.

    That is an obviously absurd statement. Nobody could reflect on this claim for a moment and not decide to thoroughly fact check it. Twice as many younger people go to the emergency room as a result of police or security guard violence as go to the emergency room for all other causes combined? Twice as many as for car and motorcycle accidents, home and workplace accidents, domestic violence and gun violence, stabbings, fist fights, burns, asthma attacks, infections, migraines, sports injuries, chest and abdominal pain, fevers, urinary problems, animal bites, food poisoning, drug overdoses, suicide attempts, the flu and other viruses, and everything else altogether? No one with an ounce of common sense could fail to ask if this assertion passes the smell test.

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    1. Jill Lepore is an academic and would likely have cited a source for that statistic that you are challenging. Can you please cite it here so that we can check it too?

      I do see some problems with your reflection. First, the age group is typically very healthy. Second, the things you mention such as gun violence, car accidents etc. are things where those young men are more likely to be perpetrators than victims, hence the police/guard violence against them. Then you list more things that are more likely to happen to older people (flu, pains due to illness, infections, migraines). Asthma is well controlled by age 15-35. Many things you list are not treated in emergency rooms. People tend to die outside emergency rooms for suicide and drug overdose. But why don't you give us her citation so we can see what evidence she is using to support her argument?

      I trust her experience as a historian and journalist more than I trust your "logic" and claims of absurdity. Data settles these kinds of questions, not reasoning. Or cite the article where she supposedly said that stuff. Forbes claiming she said it is a bit vague.

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    2. After being asked to clear up the meaning of the statistic on Twitter, Justin Feldman, the lead author of the paper, replied,” Oh weird, the rate being the same as car accidents is true, but the other part is definitely not.”

      Freelance reporter Louise Perry, who discovered the error, points out that while Lepore rightfully draws a comparison between the rate of ‘legal intervention injuries’ and the rate of pedestrians injured by motor vehicles — though only among men aged 15-34 — that it is unclear where Lepore arrived at the ‘two-thirds’ figure.

      Perry suggests that Lepore misunderstood a line from the paper…

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    3. https://www.yahoo.com/news/yorker-writer-falsely-claims-two-164814825.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAANTTnaiL4j27lV264pcUfZR_-tfNemSt8JkyLhdtPnnZREgokWnRPD25zWdzXLPCDKQOzCnQxwt2jyXqwvCRxgUDLPVPgdGbEbvpz8rZfEQScuPZOsiJ1_MS4PSxVOcY852Il2QDACclf9JSoPCMzO9TEdqOmr_j8KVkoNyfsrWw

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    4. Above comment from me

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