The New York Times, pondering hair: As it turns out Andrew Lloyd Weber has a lot of explaining to do. In a column in yesterday’s New York Times, Julia Baird starts to lay out the charge, then poses some thoughtful questions:
BAIRD (2/26/16): In “The Woman in White,” the character Marian Halcombe is described as having “dark down on her upper lip” that “was almost a mustache.” Yet when Wilkie Collins’s 1859 story was adapted as a musical by Andrew Lloyd Webber in 2004, this aspect of her appearance was ignored so that the audience would not be “distracted” by her facial hair.Our view? All in all, that may have been the craziest column we’ve ever seen in the Times. It’s amazing to think that somebody wrote it, astounding that it was published.
Why do we consider a mere hint of the hirsute such a disgrace for women when men can mooch about our cities with goatees, mutton-chop whiskers, navel-skimming beards and even “man buns” with little comment? We think of ourselves as liberated, yet it is still considered embarrassing and shameful for a woman’s upper lip to be imperfectly depilated.
In hard copy, it was published as the day’s most prominent column.
On the facing page to that column, an editorial was calling for Candidate Clinton to release the transcripts of her very important speeches. For reasons we expect to explain next week, we thought that editorial was pretty silly too.
That column by Baird is very strange. Because it seems to support a laudable principle, some editor couldn’t tell.
It’s now Potemkin all the way down in our journalistic/political culture. That said, the Times has been creating this culture for a very long time.
How did it ever get this far? We the liberals weren’t able to tell!
Why is it crazy to focus upon the sexual double standard in grooming as applied to politics? The time wasted and money spent to adhere to the double standard are a burden all women must carry no matter what their occupation or social status. We don't find Baird's discussion bizarre, strange, silly or crazy. We think it is about time such topics were discussed.ReplyDelete
Of course, Bob picks the paragraphs he thinks he can argue against because they, to him, are the most silly.Delete
He doesn't touch this part, which is essentially the essence of Baird's column:
"Why do women need to be perfect? What do we expect from our political leaders? Why can we portray men in close-up and not women? Why are male blemishes signs of authority while women’s are signs of shame?"
Lena Dunham will never be considered attractive. You can't discuss or will it into reality.Delete
Lena Dunham will always be considered interesting, even when you disagree with her. She will always be considered talented. You cannot obscure that by focusing obsessively on whether she meets some externally imposed standard of physical beauty.Delete
Men don't need to be attractive to be successful. Why isn't it the same for women?
Plenty of unattractive successful women. The most successful woman in America is Oprah Winfrey. If JFK weighed as much as Chris Christie he would not be lionized as he's been so there is not much of a double standard in politics although there is one socially because visual attractiveness is appealing to men and status is appealing to women.. Lena Dunham will be considered interesting and talented by some and so will Yoko Ono.Delete
You seriously think JFK was just a pretty face? Women like looks too but women don't have enough power to impose their tastes on men or reduce men to sex objects. Men like status too. That's why they don't marry hookers.Delete
If you consider yoko less than beautiful, you are warped.
LOL, please. Where are all the bald Presidential candidates? Oh, right.Delete
Photographers wield great power over their subjects. It's a privilege to portray another person. It is very easy to show the chinks in someone's armor, but it is a rude assault on the photographer's part to unmask the subject. The subject should be respected and not made to look pathetic. All photographers, male or female, must have a code of something like chivalry. Maybe the Eatern concept of Face. When you have control over someone's image/self-image, you better not be angling to make them lose Face. You need to understand and respect the values of your subject first. Journalistic photographers whose editors choose the unflattering photo are tools in a political smear. The writer of this article is naive.ReplyDelete
Gore (suit buttons), Edwards (Breck girl) and more recently, Rubio (high heeled boots), were subject to smear by implying that they were taking as much concern for their appearance as women must. Palin got smeared for buying an expensive wardrobe at campaign expense, but Hillary's suits are scrutinized more closely than her policies. It is stupid that this happens, but looking closely at how and why it does happen is important to understanding how our political process works. Somerby acts as if Baird invented this. She didn't.ReplyDelete
While the media focus on the trivia of facial hair and Trump's toupee, they under-report important news. E.g., I had no idea just how many e-mails on Hillary's server contained classified information.ReplyDelete
Today the State Department released the penultimate batch of emails gleaned from Hillary Clinton’s illicit, private email server. The release featured another 88 emails that the government has determined contained classified information. Those 88 emails bring the total number of Clinton’s email that contain classified information to at least 1,818.
You keep forgetting that "The government" in this case refers to certain members of the intelligence community who are arguing with the state department about what requires classification. NONE of the messages were classified at the time they were sent. This determination is being made retroactively as part of a squabble that does not involve Clinton or her aides at all.Delete
Get real, 2:58 PM.Delete
He doesn't keep forgetting. He's a bald-faced wingbat liar.
It's a puny excuse that the classification determination is being made retroactively. Ms. Clinton's was obliged to not have such messages on her private server, whether or not they had already been classified. A Secretary of State should have enough judgment to figure out which messages had information that should be kept secret. A President certainly ought to have enough judgment to do so.Delete
If she had simply followed White House instructions and used the government server, this problem never would have arisen. By willfully ignoring the rules, she set a bad example for the rest of government and all Americans.
Does that include emails containing information culled from newspaper articles?
Make that a clueless bald-faced wingbat liar that believes that hindsight analysis is equally valid to one made contemporaneous to the event.Delete
"It's a puny excuse that the classification determination is being made retroactively."Delete
David! Surely your wife's cousin has a best friend who has an in-law whose brother is a legal expert and knows what "ex post facto" means.
David, if your choice in November is Hillary or the Donald, what will you do?Delete
Caesar -- First of all, I'll be horrified. Yet, that seems the most likely possibility. Sad to say, we got better candidates from the politicians' secret smoke-filled rooms than we're getting via democracy.Delete
If the election were tomorrow, I would vote for Trump. Neither of them is competent to be President IMHO. I think a Republican incompetent would do less damage -- at least domestically. E.g., a Health Plan created by Sarah Palin would have been even more flawed than Obama's. But, Palin wouldn't have foisted a health plan on the country. But Heaven knows what Trump would actually do as President. I don't believe a word he says. And, his knowledge of how government works is weak. BTW, I expect Hillary to beat Trump.
Anon 1:54 Here's some background:
The Classification Protocol in the U.S.
...Bottom line: information gets classified, documents get marked. And a document that contains classified information but is not marked is not an “unclassified document.” It’s just not marked properly.
As the Information Security Oversight Office of the National Archives puts it, “In all cases, it is the sensitivity of the information that determines classification. An unmarked, handwritten page can just as easily contain classified national security information as a document containing classification markings.”
A document might contain sensitive information at the level of “unclassified information that meets the standards for classification.” Unless that information is formally classified and the document properly marked as classified before it is released (i.e., sent anywhere including internally) then whoever created the document is violating procedures and his or her commitment to safeguard such information.... http://spp3.com/WP/us-protocol/
In other words, it was Hillary's responsibility to protect sensitive information, whether it was marked "classified" or not. The fact that thousands of documents from her server were subsequently marked "classified" shows that they contained sensitive information.
The link David posts above is to an anti-Hillary site using fake official-sounding characters.Delete
What they write about are protocols noting standard responsibilities for classified data, which they seem to be pretending are laws. Nothing there shows Hillary broke any law.
Unknown -- Yes Hillary may not have broken any laws. I don't know enough about the laws to say. But, it's obvious that sensitive information should be protected. Failure to do so is, at best, irresponsible.Delete
1. "I would vote for Trump.... But Heaven knows what Trump would actually do as President. I don't believe a word he says." In short, since you're a chronic CDS sufferer, you'd vote for an unpredictable liar to be President. Haters gotta hate.Delete
2. "...Palin wouldn't have foisted a health plan on the country." You know that how? Through your mad actuarial skills?
3. From the hedge fund website you cited: "Obviously, if a document is not marked properly the recipient will not know how to properly handle the sensitive information it contains....Unless that information is formally classified and the document properly marked as classified before it is released (i.e., sent anywhere including internally) then whoever created the document is violating procedures and his or her commitment to safeguard such information." How many of the alleged 1,818 documents were created and sent by Hillary Clinton? Perhaps you should check in with your favorite information source, Prof. OttoYerass, for the answer to that one.
4. America Rising? BWAAAHAHAHAHAHA!
"If the election were tomorrow, I would vote for Trump."Delete
No shit, David. You and David Duke also.
No problem, the future President Hillary Clinton will not need your vote in California.
"And a document that contains classified information but is not marked is not an “unclassified document.” It’s just not marked properly."Delete
It's a good thing she was Secretary of State at the time and as such she had the power and authority to determine what is classified and what is not.
David, you're a disgrace.Delete
David is right. If material was "marked" or not, one would expect anything sensitive enough to be deemed classified before, during, or after the fact by the intelligence community would have been recognized as sensitive or classified or classifiable and if it wasn't, judgment is questionable whether illegal or not.Delete
Secretary of State outranks "the intelligence community". It's funny, the CIA has a long history of leaking classified shit to their buds in the Washington Post and New York Times when it suits their purpose.Delete
I don't recall David getting upset when VP Cheney outed a CIA agent.
David is not right. He ignores the fact that time and context change and that whether something is sensitive or classified can change with circumstances. Something can become more sensitive due to events, and it can becomes less sensitive as well over time. Classification isn't an all or nothing, once and for all time matter. It depends on context. That's why the need for classification is reviewed and also why it depends on judgment.Delete
A piece of information that by itself wouldn't be classified can become classified when put together with a second piece of information.
David wants to make this black and white because his goal is to criticize Hillary Clinton -- even though she was the recipient, not the sender of the info in question.
Anyone who has worked with classified info knows that you are constantly trading off the need to protect info against the need to get the work done. One interferes with the other. Where that balance occurs is open to dispute and that's how these conflicts arise. This one is long after the fact and arose because of changes in the events involved.
Clinton and her aides did nothing wrong. This is a politically motivated vendetta having nothing whatsoever to do with whether any secrets were compromised. It is easy to confuse stupid people like David but the only people who have leaked secrets at will are the Republicans. They seem willing to compromise national security to hurt political opponents, hence the leaky sieve that is the Benghazi committee.
Anyone who has worked with classified info knows that you are constantly trading off the need to protect info against the need to get the work done. One interferes with the other. Where that balance occurs is open to dispute and that's how these conflicts arise.Delete
Sorting out sensitive e-mails never would have been a problem if Hillary had simply obeyed White House instructions (and common sense) and used the government server for government e-mails. Hillary's decision to use a private server supports critics who assert that Bill and Hillary believe that the normal rules don't apply to them.
"Sorting out sensitive e-mails never would have been a problem if Hillary had simply obeyed White House instructions (and common sense) and used the government server for government e-mails."Delete
Once again, you're full of shit, David.
Classified emails cannot be passed on the state.gov email system either. Or on Colin Powell's yahoo.com account for that matter.
David is the very last person to lecture others on common sense.Delete
He and his ilk have yet to produce any evidence at all that national security was ACTUALLY compromised and can only engage in speculation. When confronted with fats, David and these tribal zealots go from from Hillary Clinton committing a crime to her being irresponsible and exercising bad judgment. All of this is done in the absence of illegality, in hindsight, and in the absence of context of what her predecessors have done.
In short, we're into our second decade of the Clinton Rules by people who can't even get their own political party in order despite a lapdog media and bazillion dollars of dark money. Their situation is so desperate that their financial backers are seriously discussing running a 3rd-party candidate against Trump if he gets the nomination.
David has admitted he would vote for anyone before he would vote for Hillary Clinton, so his opinion of her judgment is pointless. Instead of his constant concern trolling, it would make COMMON SENSE for David in Cal to expend his energy and prodigious intellect on getting his own party's affairs in order before lecturing the Democratic Party.
"When confronted with facts" should be in 2nd para. My editor was apparently a little hungry.Delete
Apparently speeches to Goldman Sachs are considered highly classified by some, while sensitive intelligence is not.Delete
Goldman Sachs paid for the speech. What right does Hillary have to give it to you for free?Delete
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"It was back in 1990. Perennial candidate Bernie Sanders had yet to win state-wide office after trying six times. He saw his chance when Republican incumbent Congressman Pete Smith (R-Vt) happened to have a moment of clarity on the issue of gun violence. Congressman Smith decided to vote to ban assault weapons. This angered the NRA, and it gave Senator Sanders his opening.
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