Successful teacher watch: Kevin Drum makes a very good point!

WEDNESDAY, JUNE 15, 2016

We'll see him and raise him one:
Kevin Drum makes an excellent point today about the way public school teachers routinely get discussed.

He starts by quoting this passage from a typical piece about teacher quality. The piece was published by the conservative-leaning American Enterprise Institute:
PETHOKOUKIS (6/13/16): Among the many studies cited: a University of Melbourne review of more than 65,000 papers on the effects of various classroom interventions. It concludes that what matters most is teacher expertise: “All of the 20 most powerful ways to improve school-time learning identified by the study depended on what a teacher did in the classroom.”

Another paper found that students taught by teachers in the top 10% for effectiveness learn 1.5 years’ worth of material in an academic year, three times as much as those taught by teachers in the bottom 10%....The big question, then, is to what extent good teaching can be taught. Are high-quality teachers born that way or can they be made?
"Duh," Drum repeatedly says. In what profession isn't it true that the top ten percent of practitioners are more effective than the bottom ten percent?

This distinction in quality is constantly cited with respect to teachers, Drum correctly says. But you never hear this type of complaint about people in other professions.

The denigration of public school teachers is a mandated press corps script. And yes, it's true—several such scripts turn on the alleged difference in performance between the top X percent of teachers and the bottom X percent.

(A few years back, Nicholas Kristof was routinely citing one of these standard semi-complaints.)

Drum is making an excellent point—but the problem here may be worse than he thinks. Here's a potential additional problem with this type of comparison:

When you see teachers evaluated by test scores, researchers are generally working from student performance on statewide achievement tests. But uh-oh! Those are the tests on which we've seen a fair amount of outright cheating over the past forty years.

We're speaking here about outright cheating, not about "teaching to the test." Here's why the possible existence of outright cheating creates a problem:

When researchers work with data from statewide tests, they have no obvious way to know if some of the "most effective" teachers actually cheated to produce their students' high scores.

Presumably, some of these teachers did cheat—but researchers will have no obvious way to know which teachers did so. To the extent that cheating occurs, it will exaggerate the apparent difference between the "most effective" teachers and their slacker counterparts.

We're often struck by the way educational experts and education reporters ignore the existence of cheating on standardized tests. Back on May 3, this was one of the problems with Monica Rich's high-profile report in the New York Times, a report about performance patterns in the nation's many school systems.

Rich focused on the connection between student socioeconomic status and student achievement. We spent several weeks reviewing some of the larger problems with her analyses, which were massively botched.

We never got around to discussing the problem created by the presence of cheating. It seemed to raise its troubling head in these passages about school districts which produced surprisingly high test scores, given their students' relatively low SES:
RICH (5/3/16): The data was not uniformly grim. A few poor districts—like Bremen City, Ga., and Union City, N.J.—posted higher-than-average scores. This suggests that strong schools could help children from poor families succeed.

[...]

In one school district, Union City, N.J., students consistently performed about a third of a grade level above the national average on math and reading tests even though the median family income is just $37,000 and only 18 percent of parents have a bachelor's degree. About 95 percent of the students are Hispanic, and the vast majority qualify for free or reduced-price lunches.

Silvia Abbato, the district's superintendent, said she could not pinpoint any one action that had led to the better scores. She noted that the district uses federal funds to help pay for teachers to obtain graduate certifications as literacy specialists, and it sponsors biweekly parent nights with advice on homework help for children, nutrition and immigration status.

The district regularly revamps the curriculum and uses quick online tests to gauge where students need more help or teachers need to modify their approaches.

''It's not something you can do overnight,'' Ms. Abbato said. ''We have been taking incremental steps everywhere.''
Let's be clear. We know of no reason to think that test scores in these districts were caused by cheating, whether in whole or in part.

That said, we also can't say that cheating wasn't a factor, whether in these districts or in a few other major outliers. (The much-maligned Steubenville, West Virginia leaps out from Rich's first graphic).

We only note that Rich completely skips this possibility. Within the past few years, the problem of outright cheating on standardized tests finally achieved recognition as a potential and actual major problem—except in the New York Times, where Rich proceeds as if she's never heard a word about it.

It's generally assumed that cheating doesn't occur on the National Assessment of Educational Progress (NAEP), the widely-praised "gold standard" of domestic public school testing. That said, most researchers work with data from statewide testing programs, and outright cheating on these tests has been a problem for decades.

Education reporters and "educational experts" persistently act like they've never heard this—and in some cases, they probably haven't! At the New York Times, education reporting tends to be Potemkin all the way down.

Tomorrow: The Times presents an improved report on the Cleveland, Mississippi public schools

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  4. Unsuccessful Blogger Watch: Somerby Ignores Valid Point While Perpetrating Stupid Insult

    Bob applauds one of the perpetrators in the great journalism guild coverup for his efforts at a strawman argument on behalf of Bob's favorite guild, the "denigrated" school teacher.

    Both Somerby and the man his imaginary friends have named Uncle Drum ignore that the critical point of the article sparking their posts is, in the author's own words: "The big question, then, is to what extent good teaching can be taught. Are high-quality teachers born that way or can they be made?

    Drum chooses to posit the strawman argument that nobody talks about other professions the way they talk about teachers. It is unfair to look at the top 10% of teachers unless, he suggests, we do so with other professions.

    Somerby applauds this ploy by Drum to change the point and adds a fun new wrinkle...we can never know which teachers are the best because they are cheaters.

    If anyone ever fit Somerby repeated descritption of dumb, lazy, liberals losing an argument by reinforcing the stereotypes of others, it is Somerby. Poor teachers. With friends who advance this pathetic defense of their former profession, which Bob repeatedly portrays as populated by the dishonest, teachers don't need enemies.




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    1. Thanks for that post that helps us only to hate BS.

      What will make our schools better?
      Do high-stakes tests help students and/or teachers?
      How do different teaching styles affect the quality of life of the students?
      Do we assign too much homework?
      Does focusing on the three R's help our culture?
      Should children be grouped according to age, or according to skill level?
      How does tracking affect long-term performance?
      Does giving more autonomy to teenagers help them in school?

      Do we ever read articles about our education leaders that deal in these kind of issues, or are 90% of them rich/poor white/black private/public test score comparisons?

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    2. Do we assign too much homework?

      "Kids have three times too much homework, study finds; what's the cost?"
      Kelly Wallace-Profile-Image
      By Kelly Wallace, CNN
      Updated 11:48 AM ET, Wed August 12, 2015

      "Do Teachers Assign Too Much Homework?
      By MICHAEL GONCHAR SEPTEMBER 16, 2014 5:00 AM September 16, 2014 5:00 am http://learning.blogs.nytimes.com/2014/09/16/do-teachers-assign-too-much-homework/

      "Yes, there is a limit to how much homework your child should do"
      By Sonali Kohli
      WRITER Novembewr 16, 2015
      Sonali Kohli is a reporter covering education for the Los Angeles Times

      From page 1 of About 653,000 results (0.83 seconds)

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    3. Do we read these articles? you ask. Good question. Better than asking are such articles published.

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    4. Do we read well? Are these articles about our education leaders?

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    5. I see. You want ME to read the articles for YOU to make sure they fit the exact prescription you have supplied in a blog comment.

      Sounds like someone who suffers from Excessive Literalism, a sign of mental illness or brain damage.

      New Recruit in Homework Revolt: The Principal
      By WINNIE HUJUNE 15, 2011

      http://www.nytimes.com/2011/06/16/education/16homework.html?_r=0


      "It’s been a fairly rote, thoughtless process for a long time, and schools are starting to realize this is a problem,” said Cathy J. Vatterott, an associate education professor at the University of Missouri at St. Louis and author of “Rethinking Homework.”

      But Randi Weingarten, president of the American Federation of Teachers, views policies dictating how to do homework as “taking something that should be professional practice and making it into an assembly-line process.” Dr. Giaquinto, Galloway’s superintendent, said the goal of the proposed policy was to make homework “meaningful and manageable,” noting that teachers would have to coordinate assignments so that a student’s total homework would not exceed the time limit."

      That has a professor, a union prexy, and a superintendent in it. Is that leadership?

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    6. Five years ago. So I'm right about "90% of them"? Thanks for proving my point. Good work.

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    7. "Do we ever..."

      Yes we do.

      "Or are 90% of them..."

      So far you have shown 0%.

      But we aren't doing a comment about your test scores are we?

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