USING OUR WORDS: Donald J. Trump and our "Muslim ban" talk!

FRIDAY, FEBRUARY 3, 2017

Part 4—Concerning the role of Power:
Has American president Donald J. Trump imposed a "Muslim ban?"

It certainly feels good to say so! Unfortunately, this feel-good claim is also amazingly easy to bat away.

Can we talk? The vast majority of the world's Muslims weren't affected by Donald J. Trump's executive order last week. In what sense, then, can that order be described as a "Muslim ban?"

(Warning! People like Us will never tire of the task of finding answers to that question. We love to use our harshest words in pursuit of those we dislike. Owing to our true belief and our low IQs, we rarely shrink from the task of defending our uses of words.)

On the Fox News Channel, it's amazingly easy to bat away the claim of a "Muslim ban." In the process, it's amazingly easy to tell millions of viewers that they shouldn't believe a thing "the liberals" say.

(It's even easy to bat away the ridicule aimed at Kellyanne Conway for her use of the term, "alternative facts." We were watching Hannity on the occasion when he and Conway accomplished this remarkably easy task. Conway is one of the most ridiculous people in public life today. But it was amazingly easy to bat away the childish complaint on which our tribe has settled.)

It's time for us liberals to accept a key point—as a group, we just aren't super smart. As an example of what we mean, consider what Nicholas Kristof has now said.

In yesterday's column in the Times, Kristof was making a string of good, if dangerous, points. (We liberals aren't supposed to say some of the things he said in the passage we'll show you.)

Kristof was making a string of good points! Then, he decided to paraphrase what the increasingly crazy Rudy Giuliani is pleasingly said to have said:
KRISTOF (2/2/17): I don’t want to take Trump-as-an-extremist too far: He’s not beheading anyone, and the security challenge is real. Nobody has a problem with improving safety, and Presidents George W. Bush and Barack Obama both oversaw improvements in vetting. Yet Trump tackled the issue in a way that bolsters the ISIS narrative and thus makes us less safe.

In effect, Trump took a real problem, inflated it with hysteria, handled it with incompetence and created an unjust policy that targets seven mostly impoverished Muslim countries that haven’t produced a single person involved in a lethal terrorist attack in America since before 9/11. Islamophobia swirls through the order, and Rudy Giuliani has helpfully explained that Trump asked him to devise a way to create a Muslim ban and “do it legally.”
Careful, Kristof! We aren't supposed to say things like "the security challenge is real."

We aren't supposed to say that the security challenge constitutes "a real problem." That tends to limit the joy we can take from dropping R-bombs on the heads of those who react to that challenge in ways with which we differ.

Despite those gaffes, Kristof was making excellent points in that passage. He said Trump's crazy approach to that real challenge was making a real problem worse.

But then, he just couldn't help himself! Despite his educational advantages, Nicholas Kristof just isn't real skilled when it comes to using his words:

Did Rudy Giuliani "explain that Trump asked him to devise a way to create a Muslim ban?" More expansively, did Rudy say that Trump told him "to create a Muslim ban and 'do it legally?'"

Actually, no—the crazy ex-mayor actually didn't say that! Claims like that can feel very good inside our tribal bubble. But out in the wider world, silly, childish claims like that can be batted away with great ease.

This raises the question of paraphrase. At this juncture, we'll raise a point of personal privilege.

As Journalist Barbie once said, "paraphrase is hard!" (Editor Ken agreed.) Here's why the helpmates said that:

Paraphrase is basically always subjective. There are no ultimate rules we can apply to show that a paraphrase of someone's remarks is accurate, reasonable, fair.

For that reason, the power to paraphrase is the power to spin. Paraphrase is easily abused. People need a measure of skill to handle this dangerous tool.

Long ago, we spent years immersed in paraphrase studies. We did so because the twenty months of Campaign 2000 involved unrelenting abuse of the practice, with mainstream journalists agreeing, as a group, to put strange, even ridiculous, claims into one candidate's mouth.

(On occasion, they flatly misquoted the candidate. For the most part, the candidate was taken down by inventive paraphrase, not by "misquotation.")

We liberals just sat there and took it. Years later, we slowly came to the obvious conclusion. The issues raised by those acts of faithless paraphrase went beyond the intellectual skills of our own liberal tribe. These issues were also beyond the reach of the bulk of the mainstream press.

We liberals! We simply weren't smart enough to diagnose the dissembling which dominated the coverage of that fateful campaign. Nor were we rank-and-file liberals smart enough to see that we were being played by leading "liberal" figures within the mainstream press.

(For one of the craziest statements of all time, we still recommend Jonathan Chait's account of the New York Times' coverage of Candidate Gore. On the bright side, Chait's ridiculous account of what the Times did has presumably helped him stay "viable within the system.")

In truth, our team just isn't especially sharp; this seems to be a basic fact about the human condition. But within our own tribe, this lack of skill intersects with a second problem:

For decades, we liberals have told ourselves that we're just exceptionally bright—that the dumb ones are all Over There. This is a very basic part of our enduring tribal belief. It blinds us to the actual ways we've greased the skids, in the past thirty years, for the rise of a President Trump.

Did Donald J. Trump impose a "Muslim ban?" If you're three years old, yes—he did.

Did he tell "his latest lie" in the instance screeched about here? Sadly, we'll offer that same assessment.

We liberals have loved our R-bombs for a good many years. We're almost as fond of our L-bomb now. We'll offer two basic thoughts about the childish, silly, self-defeating ways we use our words.

First, we'll suggest that you should consider the role of Power. As a general matter, the loosening of procedural constraints will tend to serve the interests of Power.

During the civil rights era, brilliant strategist wanted Power to be constrained by the rule of law. When adherence to procedure is loosened, Power will generally gain a great advantage.

This is likely true in the use of our words. If we loosen the rules which govern the throwing of bombs, Power is likely to gain. In the current circumstance, consider the slow, but steady erosion of traditional strictures against the use of the L-bomb. Right up through this last election, which party has been harmed by the assertion that its candidates lie?

(In Campaign 2000, the candidate of the more liberal party was the press corps' big giant liar. This was done by the mainstream press, not by the RNC. In 2016, the crazy dissembling of Candidate Trump was overlooked as the clowning clowns of the mainstream press worried about the character flaws of Candidate Clinton! When liberals grant these people additional license, that license will tend to be used in service to Power.)

The second point we'll recommend is this:

Unless your mental age if 3, you don't have to overstate what you actually know to devastate Donald J. Trump. You don't have to say he has "lied" to challenge the dangerous craziness which is involved in his endless stream of bogus, ridiculous statements.

He persistently makes ridiculous claims in the absence of any evidence. He persistently makes unlikely claims which are contradicted by all available evidence.

Our English language affords us many ways to describe this crazy, disturbing behavior. If we learned to use those words, Trump's craziness is easily described. But because our mental age is 3, we tend to run to unsupportable claims using our favorite bombs, to claims which are easy to bat away.

(We run to unsupportable claims. This, of course, is what Trump does.)

We're sorry, but no—Rudy didn't say that. That said, the past twenty-five years have served to make something clear:

Our emotions, and our intellectual skills, don't equip us to see such things. We're very, very easy to beat. The data we'll show you again down below help prove that obvious point.

Very, very easy to beat: We're very, very easy to beat. You know that because Our Own Rhodes Scholar started last night's TV show with this typical crap:
MADDOW (2/2/17): And thanks to you at home for staying with us for the next hour.

You know how some politicians always sound a little drunk? Like even when there's no reason to think they've been drinking—I'm not accused of anybody of drinking on the job!—there are some people in public life where there's just something about them that innately seems a little tipsy, particularly when they're happy?
Friend, do you think that sounds like a groanworthy premise from a comedy club? If so, you're thinking quite clearly.

But so what? This ridiculous corporate stooge went on and on last night, offering examples of politicians on several continents who "always sound a little drunk." Particularly when they're happy!

She laughed and laughed at her own hilarity. Off-camera, stooges from her ridiculous staff joined in the raucous laughter. Later, she offered additional wonderful humor aimed at the way Trump's press secretary once got an acronym wrong. We're offered this crap every night.

Rachel Maddow is a multimillionaire corporate clown. Our team flocks to her TV show each night. This helps show how unimpressive we actually are. It's dangerous that we don't understand such facts about ourselves.

Darling Rachel's mugging and clowning are on display each night. Below, you see astonishing data, data you'll never see discussed on her TV show:
Per person health care spending, 2015
United States: $9451
France: $4407
You'll never see those data discussed by Our Own Rhodes Scholar. She'd jump off the Golden Gate Bridge before she'd break faith with her owners.

(Do you fail to see why those data are central? If so, that's what we mean!)

You won't see Kristof go there either. Our team just sits there and takes it, year after year after year. Instead of complaining about the looting reflected in those astonishing figures, we prefer to mock 59-year-old women who can't afford medical care.

Why won't Those People vote our way? As we pleasure ourselves with our "Muslim ban" talk, we liberals can't figure it out!

31 comments:

  1. Mr. Somerby - There's no other way to communicate this to you, so I'll use your comments section in the unlikely event that you read it:

    You are among the most important political thinkers in existence today. You've been right about important issues for nearly 2 decades, and you always chart your own course, ignoring the narratives spun by others. And, of course, as reward for your contributions you continue to toil in obscurity, while others who rarely have an original thought and who are consistently wrong make fortunes and are widely read/watched/listened to.

    I wish that there were a way to spread your message to a wider audience. In any event, thanks for helping me understand the world better than I did.

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  2. Can you discuss the assertion that Conway made to Chris Mattews that?

    CONWAY: “I bet it’s brand-new information to people that President Obama had a six-month ban on the Iraqi refugee program after two Iraqis came here to this country, were radicalized and were the masterminds behind the Bowling Green Massacre.”

    But there was no Bowling Green Massacre. Two Iraqis were arrested in in an FBI sting operation, but there was never a Bowling Green attack.

    But the part that should interest you is Matthews' reaction--nothing. He moved on from her assertion, and didn't challenge it. I can't be sure,but it seems as though Matthews did not know that she was making up an attack that never happened. Is that why he gets paid the big bucks?

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/kellyann-conway-bowling-green-massacre_us_58940d66e4b09bd304baa78a?

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    1. KellyAnne subsequently clarified that she meant the Bowling Green terrorists, who were indeed real. Perhaps she she mistakenly used the word "massacre", thinking about Chattanooga Massacre, which was also real.

      The media (properly) ignored Obama's slip of the tongue, when he said there were "57 states". But, the media is treating Conway's slip of the tongue like it's enormous news.

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    2. No time to comment. I have to go out and punch girls in the head and pepper spray them. See I'm a progressive man and have the right to prevent anyone from hearing speech that offends me and prevent anyone, including young women, from even talking about wanting to hear it.

      You don't understand what happens when these fascist aren't stopped with brute force.

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    3. There was no Bowling Green attack but there was a Bosnia sniper fire attack against the 2016 Democratic presidential candidate. She told us all about it.

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    4. That makes no fucking sense jackass.

      Here is what she originally said:

      "I bet it's brand new information to people that President Obama had a six-month ban on the Iraqi refugee program after two Iraqis came here to this country, were radicalized, and they were the masterminds behind the Bowling Green massacre. Most people don't know that because it didn't get covered."

      Now she claims she meant to say what?

      ...two Iraqis came here to this country, were radicalized, and they were the masterminds behind the two Iraqis who came here?????

      On top of that bullshit, we know the reason she raised the first bullshit point is to falsely claim the second bullshit point, namely that "..President Obama had a six-month ban on the Iraqi refugee program..." which is another fucking lie, jackass.

      And typical DinC irrelevant distraction tactic bringing up a completely harmless innocuous misspeak by President Obama and comparing that to bullshit pumped out by this administration on a daily basis concerning actual important policy and issues.

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    5. Maybe "kellyanne" intentionally said it knowing it was bullshit to throw this scent off the real story which was the rollback of the financial regulations. Maybe we fell for it like their Charlie Browns to her Lucy.

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    6. No worry about the rollback of financial regulations. The rural Trump voters, who were turned on by Trump due to his pointing out the rigged economy (and not at all by his bigoted statements) will not let this stand.
      As far as you (and the MSM) know.

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  3. Thanks Bob. Good one today.

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  4. The effect is to ban Muslims. Fact.

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    1. Not quite. But it does use someone's religion as instant vetting, which is deeply prejudicial.

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  5. Bob accuses Kristof of mis-paraphrasing, mysteriously Bob's point seems to be invalid. Giuliani literally said "When he first announced it, he said ‘Muslim ban', he called me up, he said, ‘Put a commission together, show me the right way to do it legally.’"

    http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/316726-giuliani-trump-asked-me-how-to-do-a-muslim-ban-legally

    Giuliani went on to explain that he ignored Trump's muslim ban request and based the ban on "danger". This argument is also disingenuous as Kristof points out the bans are of "seven mostly impoverished Muslim countries that haven’t produced a single person involved in a lethal terrorist attack in America since before 9/11"

    Bob also fails to notice that Kayleigh has never pointed out the health care spending data. Kayleigh has never pointed out the improvement in NAEP scores. Kayleigh has never talked about how social security is not going bankrupt. Kayleigh has never talked about any issue with seriousness or even facts.

    Bob in the past has responded to poor arguments by providing examples of cogent and effective discourse. He should return to that form.

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  7. Much as I appreciate your commentary and insight Bob, you should apply the same standards to yourself as you apply to the journalists you critique. Funny how you don't actually quote Giuliani, when the clip in which he talked about the ban is easy to find. I've read umpteen posts by you criticizing the NYT for this exact practice. Giuliani said: "When he first announced it, he said ‘Muslim ban', he called me up, he said, ‘Put a commission together, show me the right way to do it legally.’" Please explain why you didn't bother to quote good old Rudy. Is it that it didn't fit with your narrative that our tribe tells ourselves pleasing tales and you needed more grist for this particular mill? How come the acting director of DOJ at the time stated that DOJ would not defend the order in court because taken in context the order might well be unconstitutional? What was the intent of the ban?

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  17. My Name Lisa Ray, i want to thank Dr Madu for the spell he did for me after i lost my husband to another lady at his working place, Dr Madu cast a love spell for me and in 2 days my husband returned home to me and my kids with so much love,if you need his help!! You can contact him via email: maduutemple@gmail.com or add him on whats-app +2349038103368.

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  18. I want to let the world know about Doctor Akhere the Great spell caster that brought back my husband to me when i thought all hope was lost. Doctor Akhere used his powerful spell to put a smile on my face by bringing back my man with his spell, at first i thought i was dreaming when my husband came back to me on his knees begging me to forgive him and accept him back and even since then he loves me more than i ever expected so i made a vow to my self the i will let the World know about Doctor Akhere because he is a God on earth. Do you have problems in your relationship ? have your partner broke up with you and you still love and want him back ? Do you have problem with your finance ? or do you need help of any kind then contact Doctor Akhere today for i give you 100% guarantee that he will help you just as he helped me. Doctor Akhere email is: drakheretempleofsolution@gmail.com or drakheretempleofsolution@hotmail.com and contact: +2348107275316

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  19. Hello, I am Theresa Williams After being in relationship with Anderson for years, he broke up with me, I did everything possible to bring him back but all was in vain, I wanted him back so much because of the love I have for him, I begged him with everything, I made promises but he refused. I explained my problem to my friend and she suggested that I should rather contact a spell caster that could help me cast a spell to bring him back but I am the type that never believed in spell, I had no choice than to try it, I mailed the spell caster, and he told me there was no problem that everything will be okay before three days, that my ex will return to me before three days, he cast the spell and surprisingly in the second day, it was around 4pm. My ex called me, I was so surprised, I answered the call and all he said was that he was so sorry for everything that happened that he wanted me to return to him, that he loves me so much. I was so happy and went to him that was how we started living together happily again. Since then, I have made promise that anybody I know that have a relationship problem, I would be of help to such person by referring him or her to the only real and powerful spell caster who helped me with my own problem. Email: greatogudugu@gmail.com Whatsapp: +2348055304321 you can email him if you need his assistance in your relationship or any other Case.

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  20. Hello everyone, I'm here to let the whole world know of a man called Dr. Ekpen he is a spell caster and he is the man that helps me in my restore my marriage when my husband broke up with me, he use his power and gift to restore joy in my relationship. I want to also let the whole world know that he can still help if you are been blackmail by someone or you want to win a court case he can help. Contact him today via email: ekpentemple@gmail.com or you can whatsapp him on +2347050270218.

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  21. Dr. Ekpen Temple Your spell worked and brought my husband back to me. You gave me support when I was feeling hopeless. I feel truly blessed to have found your email address. I sincerely hope others will take that leap of faith and let you help them as you have helped me, for those of you who want to contact him reach him on his email address: ( ekpentemple@gmail.com ) OR WHATSAPP +2347050270218 you will never regret contacting him… He is capable of restoring your relationship and marriage problems like he did for me.

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  22. i'm from USA i want to testify of a great and powerful spell caster my husband left me and the kids for 2 weeks when i called him he didn't pick up when he came back home the 3rd week he told me he wanted a divorce i was so sad i cried all night he left again i was so lonely the next day i was searching for something online when i found a spell caster called dr ben who have helped so many people with their problems so i contacted him with my problems he told me it will take 48hrs and my husband will be back to me i did every thing he told me to do and the next day my husband came back kneeling and begging he canceled the divorce we are now happy together dr ben can help you too Email him at: drbenspellcaster@gmail.com or whatsapp him on : +2348151642717..

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