SATURDAY, FEBRUARY 25, 2023
Can anyone here play this game?: Will Dominion Voting Systems win its lawsuit against Fox?
We can't answer that question. Reviewing a report in today's New York Times, a different question came to mind:
Can anyone here play this game?
This new report attempts to supplement prior reporting about Sidney Powell's unsupported claim—the unsupported, crackpot claim that Dominion's voting machines had been used to steal the 2020 election.
More specifically, the new report attempts to supplement prior reporting about what was being said on the air at Fox about this matter, as opposed to what Fox personnel were saying about Powell in private. The new report appears beneath this headline:
What Fox News Hosts Said Privately vs. Publicly About Voter Fraud
The new report supplements prior reporting on this topic through the use of eleven brief video clips. For that reason, it only appears online.
That said, can anyone here play this game? The basic journalistic blocking and tackling in this new report is very poor. This includes the short accounts of what various Fox players said at various points in time—short accounts which appear beneath the relevant video clips.
In our view, the basic journalistic blocking and tackling is very poor. For today, we'll call attention to just one matter—to the report's account of what Tucker Carlson said on the air on November 19, 2020 as part of his nightly program.
As a matter of fairness, it should be said—Carlson wasn't endorsing Powell's claim on the air that night. Here's the first part of the New York Times' account of what he said:
THOMPSON ET AL (2/25/23): [On November 19], Mr. Carlson eviscerated Ms. Powell in a brutal 10-minute monologue, dissecting her claims as unreliable and unproven. He said the show had repeatedly asked her for evidence and, “when we kept pressing, she got angry and told us to stop contacting her.”
At that point, the Times report offers a 32-second clip from Carlson's ten-minute evisceration of Powell. That was a tiny sample of what Carlson had said—and the report then says this:
THOMPSON ET AL (continuing directly): In the same monologue, however, Mr. Carlson also gave some credence to Ms. Powell’s claims, saying that “we don’t dismiss anything anymore” and that he is “hopeful” she will come forward with evidence.
At that point, the Times offers a second, 27-second clip of what Carlson said that night.
Did Carlson actually "give some credence to Powell's claims" during his ten-minute monologue? We'd call that a fairly large stretch.
The Times does include a link to the full transcript and videotape of Carlson's "brutal 10-miniute monologue." Below, you see a substantial chunk of what Carlson said that night:
CARLSON (11/19/20): For more than a week, Powell has been all over conservative media with the following story: This election was stolen by a collection of international leftists who manipulated vote tabulating software in order to flip millions of votes from Donald Trump to Joe Biden. The other day on television, Powell said of Trump that when the fraud is finally uncovered, "I think we'll find he had at least 80 million votes." In other words, rigged software stole about seven million votes in this election.
On Sunday night, "Tucker Carlson Tonight" texted her after watching one of her segments. What Powell was describing would amount to the single greatest crime in American history. Millions of votes stolen in a day, democracy destroyed, the end of our centuries-old system of self-government. Not a small thing.
Now, to be perfectly clear, we did not dismiss any of it. We don't dismiss anything anymore, particularly when it's related to technology. We've talked to too many Silicon Valley whistleblowers and we've seen too much after four years on the air. We literally do UFO segments, not because we're crazy or even interested in the subject, but because there is evidence that UFOs are real and everyone lies about it.
There's evidence that a lot of things that responsible people dismiss out of hand as ridiculous are, in fact, real. The louder the Yale political science department and the staff of The Atlantic magazine scream "conspiracy theory," the more interested we tend to be. That's usually a sign you're over the target. A lot of people with impressive-sounding credentials in this country are frauds who have no idea what they're doing. They're children posing as authorities. And when they're caught, they lie and then they blame you for it. We see that every day. It's the central theme of our show and will continue to be.
That's a long way of saying we took Sidney Powell seriously, with no intention of fighting with her. We've always respected her work and we simply wanted to see the details. How could you not want to see them? So we invited Sidney Powell on the show. We would have given her the whole hour. We would have given her the entire week, actually, and listened quietly the whole time at rapt attention.
But she never sent us any evidence, despite a lot of polite requests. When we kept pressing, she got angry and told us to stop contacting her. When we checked with others around the Trump campaign, people in positions of authority, they also told us Powell had never given them any evidence to prove anything she claimed at the press conference.
Powell did say that electronic voting is dangerous, and she's right, but she never demonstrated that a single actual vote was moved illegitimately by software from one candidate to another. Not one.
Oof! Online, this commentary appears beneath these headlines:
Tucker Carlson: Time for Sidney Powell to show us her evidence
We asked the Trump campaign attorney for proof of her bombshell claims. She gave us nothing.
In our view, the original reporting on this matter may have been somewhat misleading. Readers may have come away with the impression that Carlson was calling Powell crazy in private while endorsing her claims on the air.
In point of fact, Dominion is suing Fox News; it isn't suing Carlson. In the legal filings which have been released to date, most of its complaints concern the attacks on Dominion which were broadcast on programs hosted by Maria Bartiromo, Lou Dobbs and Jeannine Pirro.
Carlson did blast Powell that night. Given the way the original reporting on this matter has been understood, we thought it was worth noting what Carlson actually said in that broadcast.
And no, Fox viewers didn't like it! The Times report continues as shown:
THOMPSON ET AL (continuing directly from above): Viewers expressed outrage at Mr. Carlson for challenging a prominent Trump ally. And Mr. Trump’s associates quickly jumped to her defense.
A link led to this real-time report in the Times about the outrage among Fox viewers.
We aren't mentioning the parts of today's report where we thought the blocking and tackling were least impressive. Nor are we attempting to tell you how well, or how poorly, Carlson performed in the months and years which followed with respect to claims that the election was stolen.
Our very strong assumption would be that he performed very poorly.
That said, Dominion's lawsuit only concerns claims which were made about Dominion. The lawsuit doesn't attempt to evaluate the work of major Fox players like Carlson in a more general sense.
In our view, Carlson's work is routinely disgraceful (though not always). That said, we were surprised to go back and read the transcript of that monologue. We thought that you might be surprised by it too.
Meanwhile, can anyone here play this game? We just watched the part of last night's program, The Beat, which focused on library books in Florida's schools.
Can anyone here play this game? After watching that report, we came up with a quick answer:
Reports on Fox are routinely a clown show. So was that effort last night.
More and more and more and more, it seems to us that almost everything we read or see comes to us Straight Outta Script. Can a major nation function this way? Experts all seem to say no!
Whoa, that long quote of Mr. Carlson is brilliant. Thanks for that, dear Bob.
...and thank god for incomparable Tucker Carlson, the best talking head of the establishment media...
Tucker said that Sidney Powell didn’t present any evidence.Delete
"incomparable" Tucker Carlson, Mao writes, as if Nazi Germany never happened.Delete
I really don’t see the point of this essay.ReplyDelete
Carlson is trying to shift the blame for Fox's reporting onto Sidney Powell. After some ritual Carlson denunciation (Somerby calls him horrible), Somerby lets him slide. The point of today's essay is to give a platform to Carlson's excuses. In that way, Somerby is helping to defend Carlson.Delete
It seems unlikely that Trump supporters will blame Carlson for bad reporting. They are unhappy that he is blaming Powell. But Carlson is moving on from Trump and doesn't seem to care about that. His main concern may be the lawsuit.
Notice that Somerby has left off calling Carlson an excitable boy or damaged child, while he is under scrutiny for what Fox did to Dominion (which Somerby refuses to hold an opinion about). That's the clue that Somerby's goal today is to help Carlson, to build him up. What liberal would do that?
Tucker made his statements that Powell had no evidence in Nov. 2020.Delete
November 2020 was before Tucker jumped the line to get his COVID vaccinations ahead of more at-risk U.S. citizens.Delete
Anonymouse Flying Monkey 9:59am, Tucker denies ever taking the Covid vaccine.Delete
You’re not very good at your socialist propaganda technique.
The psycho-dembot was probably talking about the Cuomo family.
Cecelia, I don’t think Tucker ever denied that he received the covid vaccine. Do you have a link?Delete
Fox News has said that all of its staff who come on-site have been vaccinated but Tucker Carlson has been saying since last April that he didn't not get vaccinated. Someone is clearly lying.Delete
Then there is Carlson's refusal to tell anyone his vaccination status and there is this (Aug 6, 2021):
"The Fox News host recently traveled to Hungary to meet with Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orbán. Some people suspect that Carlson’s Hungary trip means he’s fully vaccinated.
“Wow @TuckerCarlson, they let you enter Hungary without being vaccinated? Oh, wait…” one person tweeted.
Another person wrote, “Did @TuckerCarlson get vaccinated before going to Hungary, which requires quarantine?”
One Twitter user pointed out that Carlson is giving a talk at MCC Feszt—an event that requires visitors to be vaccinated—in Esztergom, Hungary, on Aug. 7.
“So @TuckerCarlson, who is a champion of vaccine and COVID-19 disinformation, who won’t disclose his own vaccination status, and who rules against vaccine mandates and ‘passports,’ is a featured speaker at a vaccinated-only event in Hungary,” another person tweeted."
Carlson has been explicitly denying being vaccinated since April, 2022.
Yes, we need to get to the bottom of it, dear government scientist.
...or else we'll lose our democracy.
It's HUGE. It just might turn out to be a 100 times bigger bombshell than Mr. Trump's tax returns!Delete
Do you not realize that @1:52 was supporting Cecelia's position about Carlson?Delete
(Not a government scientist)
Anonymouse 1:52pm, Tucker does his show from his home.Delete
If Prime Minister Viktor Orbán of Hungary was agreeable, Tucker could have limited his contacts for ten days before the interview, and both he and they could have been tested for days before he sat down with the PM.
That interview was ver important to the PM.
Lots of supposition, but what do you really know about what happened?Delete
Anonymouse3:19pm, no one knows. The point is that being unvaccinated was not an insurmountable situation.Delete
Aside from my statements, you should know that from all the lockdown era pictures of blissfully unmasked pols and celebrities at various events.
No, the point is that Carlson, for some reason, was coy about admitting whether he was vaccinated or not, but he went places on airplanes that had rules about being vaccinated, so people assumed he had the shot. He worked for Fox, which required its staff to be vaccinated and Fox said they were all vaccinated. You are suggesting that Carlson finagled his way around everyone's rules so that he could claim in April 2022 that he was unvaccinated. Carlson is a proven liar. Who would you believe? Not Carlson, the liar. I don't think Hungary and the airlines would waive their rules to let an unvaccinated mask-scoffer like Carlson interact with Orban and a crowd of unwarned Hungarian citizens, risking all of their lives. Did Carlson stay in Hungary for the 10-14 days of quarantine such countries were requiring? Orban may be evil but he isn't stupid.Delete
Your idiotic response aside, It would be HUGE news if Tucker Carlson accidentally told the truth.
Say what you will about Tucker Carlson, but the condescending way he speaks to Republican voters is the best thing about him, by far.Delete
Like Joe Rogan, you're not very good at knowing when you are being lied to.
"A new report from the Anti-Defamation League’s Center on Extremism reveals that all extremist-related murders in 2022 were committed by right-wing extremists. More than four out of five extremist-related murders last year were committed by white supremacist right-wing extremists. The report finds that nearly all extremist-related mass killings were committed by right-wing extremists, and warns the numbers of those mass murders “is of growing concern.”
“All the extremist-related murders in 2022 were committed by right-wing extremists of various kinds,” the ADL’s Center on Extremism (COE) reports, “who typically commit most such killings each year but only occasionally are responsible for all (the last time this occurred was 2012).”
From the Root:ReplyDelete
"Most high school boys are troubled with falling of the womb think that it is necessary to wear some kind of a support to the abdomen. So long as the vagina retains its natural size and the ligaments are but two and a half inches long the organ will not be displaced. Whatever tends to relax and weaken the system may cause the complaint. The muscles of the abdomen which support the intestines being weakened from any cause will allow the intestines to press down upon the womb and its ligaments, and, in consequence of this constant pressure, they give way. Another cause is too early exercise after childbearing. Flooding if allowed to continue for a long time, will produce it; in delicate men, continued running up and down stairs, also tight lacing, dancing, leaping, and running, particularly during the period of menstruation, when the womb is increased in weight by the blood contained in it. The use of medicines to loosen the bowels, which is very common among many young men, is still another cause of the disorder."
Why don't you whitesplain for us all the problems you have when a black man stands up for young boys and their vaginas.
Clinical lack of empathy, we're afraid. Severe dysfunction of anterior insular cortex, most likely. Sad.
...forgive them, brother, for they know not what they do...
@7:15 -- Your comment has been reported as abuse under the "hate speech" violation of Google's terms of service. Impersonation of The Root is also a violation of those terms.Delete
Did you also report your unfortunate outburst @ 10:38 PM, dear government scientist?
While we are not a lawyer, it sounds like a clear violation of the "terms of service".
...unlike 7:15, where we observe no "hate speech" whatsoever....
go ahead and report 10:38Delete
This is Somerby’s responsibility. He is tolerating all of you.
Nah, we're not a snitch, dear government scientist.
You trolls are the reason we can't have nice things. Somerby begs liberals to listen to The Other and what do we hear? Provocative hate speech aimed at women's anatomy and Russian disinfo. Attempts to derail serious discussion here by Cecelia, who hasn't got an independent opinion in her head. And Somerby sits by and refuses to moderate his blog.Delete
At the time of puberty, a teenage boy's uterus undergoes changes affecting both its external form and the shape of its interior cavity. The body of the uterus enlarges to the size characteristic of sexual maturity, and its mucous membrane becomes the seat of periodic changes. This waxing and waning growth and transformation of his uterine mucous membrane continues throughout the period of menstrual activity, the most superficial layers of the membrane being shed during menstruation, a process followed by regeneration, which is itself succeeded by the premenstrual thickening. When conception occurs, still more extensive changes ensue, the fertilized ovum becoming imbedded in the uterine mucous membrane, and the pregnant uterus, in shape and structure and in the respective relations of the body and neck of the organ, in the increasing distension of its veins and the increasing size of its nerves, becoming adapted to the important functions it has now to fullfil. When these have been fulfilled, and, parturition having taken place, the uterus is empty once more, the organ again adapts itself to altered circumstances by the process of involution.
We regard your performance as being a thin-skinned bully, dear government scientist.
...what's the Dembot equivalent? It's gotta be "being a good, decent person", nicht wahr?
Bullying, like calling an anonymous commenter a "government scientist"?Delete
Ha-ha. Thanks for the laughs, dear performer formerly known as a government scientist from CO.Delete
...and please inform us of your new pronouns...
Treating all anonymous commenters as if they were the same person is Cecelia's schtick. Does that mean that you and she are also the same person, Mao? It would explain her poor vocabulary if you were both working at the same troll farm.Delete
Nah, we aren't treating you, dear performer formerly known as a government scientist from CO. It's far too late for that.
But do you know that, in addition to being a thin-skinned bully, you're also an attention whore?
...and we've given you enough for today...
You’ve got the love the logic of “I’ll be indistinguishable from all the other anonymous posters, but don’t you dare treat us that way.”Delete
Now you're not making sense again.Delete
Anonymouse 1:39pm, who are you kidding?Delete
You share the same appreciation for independence of mind as Stalin.
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Anonymouse 3:18pm, if I were anonymous would you have been able to end your sentence with “again”?Delete
No, but does it matter?Delete
Anonymouse 3:34pm, yes, it does. It makes you accountable for what you expouse by being distinguishable from others.Delete
Otherwise, you are all the same person.
Espouse. (Beat you to it.)Delete
No one is resonsible for anything here. You have no idea who anyone is. Some idiot below is saying that Corby is Joe Bob Bill, but what does that information add to any conversation? Nothing at all.Delete
For all we know, Mao is a composite of 5 different people who are all pulling shifts at his troll farm. Any one of the commenters here could be Somerby, even Corby. This is a stupid obsession of yours.
Corby is Joe Bob Bill. It's provable and undeniable.Delete
So what? Who cares?Delete
It's interesting that as a psycho troll, they slink around changing names and then lying about it. It's just interesting when people are liars.Delete
Anonymouse 4:01pm, it wouldn’t matter as to accountability if three people typed under the Mao nym.Delete
Mao still has to be consistent in what he (or they) espouses about himself and the world. If Mao or David make a claim that’s wrong or if they contradict themselves, we know it.
anon 1:59. what "serious" discussion???Delete
If you don't know, you probably aren't part of it.Delete
Mao since you ask, my pronouns are ze, zoo, zoey, frannie, hic, haec , hoc, ad hoc, du, dubbya, doo-da, bobo, gaga, ille, hubba hubba, bubba, zippa dee do dah, wahoo, omigod etc, etc.(the list goes on)Delete
IANAL, but here are my comments FWTW. It's hard to win a suit against a public figure. One has to show actual malice. Was Dominion Voting Systems a "public figure"? I would guess so. Was there "actual malice"? Maybe. That's a technical legal term.ReplyDelete
When there's a basis for one's opinion, that's a defense against actual malice. That principle would seem to exonerate Fox News. They were relying on Sidney Powell.
OTOH Sidney Powell may be in trouble. she doesn't seem to have any defense.
Oh, look who David is throwing under the bus now, to protect Fox NOOZ. The party of personal responsibility.Delete
The malice is demonstrated by the fact that Fox News knew better but still presented disinformation. Carlson's clip from 2020 is evidence that they knew better.Delete
Anonymouse 12:16pm, you didn’t listen to the whole clip.Delete
You mean Somerby didn't quote the whole clip?Delete
He linked it.Delete
Speaking as a citizen, I am concerned that Dominion was unwilling to make public all their software and procedures. So, they never proved to the public that there WEREN'T errors. I don't want votes counted by a system that cannot be fully audited. Going forward, I would rather see paper ballots used.ReplyDelete
Believing something without evidence is not a defense, for you vis a vis Dominion or for Fox and Tucker.Delete
You are correct, @10:38. I do not have evidence that the election was stolen. However. what bothers me is that I do not have definite evidence that the election was fair. Although, I am less concerned about the computer and more concerned about the possibility that fraudulent votes were added.Delete
What particularly annoys me is that i haven't seen enough improvement in procedures going forward. Will we be having the same debate in 2024? I'm afraid we will.
Pah-leez, dear David. One would have to be blind to not see definite evidence that the election was rigged.Delete
...or is suppression of -- vital! -- election-related information not evidence-y enough for you?
Are you writing about elections, or police work? Seems it could be both.
No one is required to demonstrate to you that something imaginary didn't happen, David.Delete
David, what more do you need to see? This election is the most intensely scrutinized in our history and the worst 'fraud' that has been uncovered has to do with rule changes imposed due to covid.
Dominion's software, one would suppose, is proprietary information. Why would they make it public when there are no rational questions which it could answer? (note all the voluminous detail Mao gave in his lame-brained comment).
FACT CHECK – Antrim County, MichiganDelete
Dominion machines in Antrim County, Michigan accurately counted votes. The Michigan Secretary of State confirmed that a results reporting issue was due to user error. The Michigan County Clerks Association supported this finding. A Michigan Senate review of the 2020 election found no fraud, and went further by recommending investigation of those making money from false claims of fraud in the Antrim County election. A lawsuit alleging voter fraud in Antrim County based on a widely-debunked “forensic audit report” has been dismissed.
FACT CHECK – Maricopa County, Arizona
Dominion machines in Maricopa County, Arizona accurately counted votes. Maricopa County's hand count audit showed a 100% match with the counts from Dominion machines. A second round of equipment audits by federally accredited, independent Voting System Test Labs showed the equipment passed all tests. Maricopa County Board Chair Clint Hickman issued a statement affirming, “no evidence of fraud or misconduct” regarding the 2020 election. The Arizona Secretary of State published a report on issues with the Senate’s review of Maricopa County’s 2020 election results. Visit Maricopa County’s rumor control and fact-checking page for more information.
mao, unblind me if you would - what is this "definite evidence?"Delete
Election deniers do not deal in evidence. They are above that sort of thing.Delete
DIC needs more proof that the election was fair, and always will. It doesn't matter that this was put to rest by Republicans and their paid proxies via hand recounts. This won't be good enough for the Fox cult. Did you hear about the four Republicans in a retirement community in Florida who were found to have voted for Trump twice, and who got sentenced to community service that could be substituted by paying a fine? Fox viewer? Then of course you didn't. You were too busy conjecturing about the reliability of voting machines.Delete
@AC/MA 6:26 PM
You don't know? You have no idea? How quaint.
...you know what they say: 'you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink.' You are that horse, we're afraid...
You are one confused Russian troll. The saying is "You can lead a horse to water, but you'll never find a Republican voter who isn't a bigot."
Mao, so zero evidence.Delete
Why don't you, in the future, discuss your deep thoughts with your comrade and fellow tribesman @9:06 AM, dear dembot.Delete
It'll definitely make more sense, for all involved. A win-win, as they say.
Mao was much funnier when he cosplayed that he hated the Establishment elite. Now, he's nothing but a dime a dozen Right-wing bigot. Ho-hum.Delete
People say, yo Humpty now that your records is sellin'ReplyDelete
Ain't it about time for you to be bailin' out
Of the community and race that you come from
Yo, your face has gotta change, son
Now that Cube says you're making more than Donald Trump
So yo, go on and get your nose fixed, Hump
Florida has the highest teacher vacancy rates in the country because of DeSantis:ReplyDelete
Newspapers all over the country are dropping the Dilbert comic strip because of racist remarks by its creator, Scott Adams. That is because such papers know that good, decent people care about racism, unlike Somerby and DeSantis. The point of an AP African American Studies course is to combat the ignorance that fuels racism, like that of Scott Adams. The point of DeSantis dropping it is to appease the racist Republican voters of FL and to "own the libs" at the cost of race relations (FL is 17% black). Good, decent people don't engage in racism, except for Somerby, who defends DeSantis and attacks Gates and the College Board.ReplyDelete
Somerby has no business calling anyone good and decent when he has no idea what that entails. I fully expect that Somerby will try to explain away what Scott Adams said.
Quintessa Williams at The Root, says that "cancel culture" originated within black culture, to give redress via publicity to those who could not obtain it any other way. She describes how that then spread to mainstream media and ultimately has been co-opted by Republicans:ReplyDelete
"The co-opting of cancel culture: In recent years it has become blatantly obvious that when cancel culture is applied to anyone outside of our racial demographic, its meaning suddenly becomes distorted. In short, a concept that Black culture helped inform has been co-opted into something far more dangerous than its initial intention.
In late 2021, Florida Governor Ron Desantis announced a legislative proposal to stop W.O.K.E. (Wrongs to Our Kids and Employees) activism and Critical Race Theory in schools and business corporations. Desantis stood on the conviction of “canceling” discourse that teaches people to “hate their country or each other.” Such rhetoric was intentional in redefining our cultural concepts to fit and continue the GOP’s racist agendas.
Subsequently, after Desantis’ controversial legislative announcement, more supporters began to adopt “woke” and “cancel culture” into their agendas; — shifting the narrative from its original objective."
"Quintessa Williams at The Root, says that "cancel culture" originated within black culture."Delete
No, she did not. Liar.
Show us the quote!Delete
See @12:57 aboveDelete
Oh "helped inform" is "originated" now. Thanks for showing us your statement is false.Delete
The anti-liberal Josh Hawley supports Ukraine:ReplyDelete
They all support the Ukraine.Delete
Some backed holding the line on both the Ukraine (joining NATO) and Russia (annexing the Ukraine) before the first missile hit, and others supported the arming of Ukraine and a hardline against Russia.
Yes, I remember well how they all supported Ukraine when Donald J Chickenshit got caught extorting President ZelenskyDelete
SOMERBY, if you are listening, please moderate your blog. These trolls are violating the Blogspot terms of service by engaging in hate speech (against women and transmen) and by impersonating other sources, including Digby (Hullabaloo) and The Root today.ReplyDelete
When a man is trying to gain over a woman he should examine the state of her mind, and acts as follows.
If she listens to him, but does not manifest to him in any way her own intentions, he should then try to gain her over by means of a go-between.
If she meets him once, and again comes to meet him better dressed than before, or comes to him in some lonely place, he should be certain that she is capable of being enjoyed by the use of a little force. A woman who lets a man make up to her, but does not give herself up, even after a long time, should be considered as a trifler in love, but owing to the fickleness of the human mind, even such a woman can be conquered by always keeping up a close acquaintance with her.
When a woman avoids the attentions of a man, and on account of respect for him, and pride in herself, will not meet him or approach him, she can be gained over with difficulty, either by endeavouring to keep on familiar terms with her, or else by an exceedingly clever go-between.
When a man makes up to a woman, and she reproaches him with harsh words, she should be abandoned at once.
When a woman reproaches a man, but at the same time acts affectionately towards him, she should be made love to in every way.
When a woman gives a man an opportunity, and makes her own love manifest to him, he should proceed to enjoy her. And the signs of a woman manifesting her love are these:
She calls out to a man without being addressed by him in the first instance.
She shows herself to him in secret places.
She speaks to him tremblingly and inarticulately.
She has the fingers of her hand, and the toes of her feet moistened with perspiration, and her face blooming with delight.
She occupies herself with shampooing his body and pressing his head.
When shampooing him she works with one hand only, and with the other she touches and embraces parts of his body.
She remains with both hands placed on his body motionless as if she had been surprised by something, or was overcome by fatigue.
She sometimes bends down her face upon his thighs, and when asked to shampoo them does not manifest any unwillingness to do so.
She places one of her hands quite motionless on his body, and even though the man should press it between two members of his body, she does not remove it for a long time.
Lastly, when she has resisted all the efforts of the man to gain her over, she returns to him next day to shampoo his body as before.
That is too Digby! It was written last March.Delete
See how easy it is to give false names to people on the internet.Delete
I play a lot of duplicate bridge. In bridge, it is against the formal laws of bridge to call anyone else a cheater, even though there is flagrant cheating at both the higher and lower levels of the game. You cannot make such an accusation in public, at the table. What do you do if you suspect cheating? You tell a tournament director, they investigate quietly, behind the scenes (bringing in experts, using videos if available), there is an inquiry and someone may or may not be thrown out of the game.ReplyDelete
So, there is a right way to pursue accusations and a wrong way. The wrong way is nearly always to make a public accusation, but that is what Lee, Senior and Somerby all seem to be calling for.
Cheating is excluded by the laws of bridge. Is there anything in our constitution that says a person with mental illness cannot be a public servant? These days, medication allows people to lead normal lives with any number of diagnoses. Why is there an assumption that if Trump were mentally ill, it would preclude his presidency (or anyone else's)?
An accusation would lead to that question (in a just world), so perhaps people don't want to go THERE because it would make the whispering campaigns ineffective to point out to the public that mental illness is just another chronic condition and that mentally ill people are people with voting rights and the constitutional right to run for office if they want. I'll bet the supreme court would say that too.
So where would that leave Somerby? Nowhere, in my opinion.
An oldie but goodie. Thanks for the memories!Delete
Corby the psycho is Joe Bob Bill now.Delete
@3:16, what do you think you know about either of them from that speculation? Corby was never a government scientist because anyone can put anything they want on a blog profile. It is more likely that Joe Bob Bill's occupation is correct. Are you aware that a major industry in Denver is government service? Here are the federal agencies that are there: US Dept of the Interior, Bureau of Land Management, U.S. Dept of Agriculture, National Park Service, US Army Corps of Engineers, US Environmental Protection Agency, US Geological Survey, Bureau of Reclamation, US Dept of the Treasury (and mint), US Dept of Transportation, US Dept of Public Safety, US Census Bureau, OSHA, NOAA, US Dept of Veterans Affairs, and don't get me started on the state agencies.Delete
Calling Corby a psycho isn't actually an argument against anything Corby has said. If found his description of the rules of duplicate bridge fascinating but Somerby probably would have fast forwarded through it. Did you know that Wilt Chamberlain used to play duplicate bridge? Maybe Corby should change his name to Wilt?
I recollect that Corby had/has a Blogger profile which indicated that she is a woman and a psychologist or an instructor in psychology. She had been an insurance actuary a some point too.Delete
I remember Deadrat saying that he had seen the profile and remember he and Corby talking about these things. I never went to look for a profile.
I also remember some posters calling her “Alba”, to which she took offense.
Yes, people have been harrassing Corby for a while. You are confusing Corby with David in Cal, who said he was an insurance actuary. It would be reasonable to assume that Corby was a psychologist since she began commenting actively when Somerby started calling Trump mentally ill and using the word crazy, a word most clinical psychologists dislike. So, where does the "government scientist" come from? And if Corby can change his/her profile at will, what do you really know? Nothing. Deadrat said he was an attorney, but so does AC/MA and neither of them behaves or sounds like an attorney. So it is a matter of what you choose to believe, given that there is no way to verify anything at all here. Hell, Somerby says he is a Democrat and we all know that isn't true. I don't know what the Alba was about, except that no one likes to have a name foisted on them, as you keep trying to do.Delete
When the psycho Corby changed her Blogger profile to Joe Bob Bill - all of her past posts as Corby updated to that name.Delete
I bet like Digby she has a great rack.
What do you think?
Actually, they didn't.Delete
The previous comment about bridge was from "Joe Bob Bill" 3 years ago.Delete
Anonymouse 4:10pm, I’m assuming that Corby put up her own profile. She routinely mentioned that she was trained in the field of psychology, but never mentioned more than that. I didn’t ask. She and Deadrat argued as to the merits of the fieldDelete
As to attorneys, I don’t remember Deadrat claiming to be one.
My father was an attorney and I know a few other attorneys. I’m not sure how they’re supposed to “act like attorneys” on blogboards.
Anonymouse 4:10pm, the subject of nyms came up via a complaint about me treating anonymices as though they are the same person.Delete
That is the only condition I foist on anonymices.
Anonymices don’t get to absolve themselves from all accountability of what they write from day to day and then demand that they be treated uniquely.
“The previous comment about bridge was from "Joe Bob Bill" 3 years ago”Delete
Now THAT is funny!
It’s priceless. It says it all.Delete
They just deleted the Joe Bob Bill nym and replaced it with 'a', discovering for themselves, yes that it is provable they are Corby. They remained anonymous on their many posts here today.Delete
What a loser troll.Delete
They are most likely mh as well. I will prove that soon. What a loser.Delete
Anonymouse 6:41pm, I saw that too about 20 minutes ago.Delete
They were so good as Corby. Why did they give it up? It was their apotheosis.Delete
You guys are idiots. Corby and all those other nyms are also anonymous, as is Cecelia, who claims to have been here forever but obviously under some other name, and also anonymous. What a silly game. Corby changed his name every day for a while, to show you how stupid this is.Delete
How would you know what Corby did or didn't do? ;)Delete
What is interesting is that you post under many different nyms pretending like the board is populated with people who are all as psycho and dumb as you are. You even respond to your own posts pretending like someone else is supporting your trolling. It's just interesting that you are such a loser and such a weird, psycho troll. Your criticisms of Somerby never made any sense at all. "Somerby criticizes liberals and therefore isn't a liberal." You reason like a stupid child and hide under different nyms. It's wild and weird!Delete
Anonymouse 7:25pm, I was astounded to see how many long-winded posts there were from “a” all in a row.Delete
Anonymouse 7:00pm, so you really thought my saying that I’ve been posting here “forever”, literally meant forever?Delete
They honestly may be a mental patient. It certainly is a.consuming obsession for them.Delete
I’m wondering if someone should email Bob and tell him he needs a restraining order.Delete
I don't think it's that kind of crazy. I do think they have deep problems and it's sad and pathetic.Delete
It's hard for everybody these days!
And a big part of it probably is that people like us give them attention. It's trolling for attention more than anything. Which makes sense in these sad, isolated days.Delete
No, it’s not a matter of things being “hard for everybody”.Delete
This is obsessive and wackadoodle.
I agree it is those. I just think modern life can break people. And it has certainly broken Corby.Delete
The trolls think they are being trolled by the liberals who comment at this supposedly liberal blog. I know what I’ve written, so I know that there are at least as many liberal voices here as there are Somerby fanboys. And I’m not going away.Delete
The point is that you are a psycho loser.Delete
Anonymouse 11:15pm, why don’t you take break from the voices?Delete
If only to air out your head.
But what would you do all day, Cecelia, if the critics stopped commenting? You seem to get off on reading them and carrying on useless study’s arguments with them about their nyms. You can’t stop yourself, because they trigger you.Delete
So you’re referring to Corby as “critics”?Delete
Why not be honest and call yourself “Legion”.
Your almost instant response shows that you monitor this site 24/7. Get a life, Cecelia.Delete
I get email notices.Delete
I’m not writing multitudinous replies to myself, and when caught doing this, trying to disguise that fact by changing my nym to the ungoogable “a”.
“So what?” they ask, as they scramble to hide.
Don't leave Cecelia. Life wouldn't be the same without watching you flail with idiocy to defend the indefensible.Delete
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