MONDAY, JANUARY 8, 2024
Jugglers and clowns win again: This morning, Joe Scarborough returned to Morning Joe. It was his first appearance on the program this year.
In his program's opening segment, Scarborough fumed in familiar fashion. More precisely, he complained about an opinion columnist in the New York Times—a columnist he neither quoted nor named.
Just a guess! We'll assume that he was discussing this column by Ross Douthat—the column which topped yesterday's Sunday Review / Sunday Opinion section.
Alas! On balance, we're inclined to agree with Douthat's column. Consider what happened on yesterday's Meet the Press.
For the nation's oldest TV news show, it was a major "get." In the program's opening segment, Rep. Elise Stefanik (R-NY) appeared as Kristen Welker's sole guest.
Stefanik has been extremely hot. Back on December 5, during a House committee hearing, she made mincemeat of the presidents of three elite universities, two of whom have left their jobs since that time.
Stefanik has said that there's more to come. After playing videotape of recent speeches by Biden and Trump, Welker started like this:
WELKER (1/7/24): Joining me now is a key Trump ally, Republican Congresswoman Elise Stefanik of New York, who chairs the House Republican Conference, making her the highest-ranking woman in congressional GOP leadership.
She is also the youngest woman ever to serve in elected congressional leadership. Congresswoman Stefanik, welcome to Meet the Press.
STEFANIK: Great to be with you, Kristen.
WELKER: Thank you so much for being here.
I want to start by talking about 2024, some of what we've heard over the past 48 hours. Obviously, President Biden officially kicking off his campaign against former President Trump, who's the strong front-runner [sic].
You are one of Trump's strongest supporters. In his speech, President Biden cast the former president as a threat to democracy. This was an argument that was effective in 2020. It was a winning argument for Democrats in 2022. How do you answer that charge?
How did Stefanik answer that charge? She answered it very easily! And so it went, we'd have to say, all through the 17-minute session.
(To peruse the full transcript, just click here. To watch the videotape, click this.)
Welker's interview with Stefanik hasn't produced a lot of news. This morning, it was mentioned very briefly, and only in passing, during the first 90 minutes of Morning Joe.
Nothing is going to turn on yesterday's Meet the Press segment. That said, we thought the session illustrated an unfortunate point:
We thought it illustrated the lack of skill which is commonly put on display by our own blue tribe's journalistic and academic elites.
For the record, Welker went to one of the finest schools. She graduated from Harvard in the class of 1998.
In this instance, the same is true of Stefanik. She also graduated from Harvard, in the class of 2006.
In short, Stefanik isn't one of the professional wrestlers, former VJs or mid-level comedians who now widely populate prime time "news" programs on the Fox News Channel.
That said, she's widely taken to be an "odious demagogue" by members of our own blue tribe—and from the standpoint of our tribe, it isn't especially hard to see why that is.
Stefanik went to one of the finest schools. That said, she's also one of the "jugglers and clowns" who now clog the dreams of our own blue tribe as we look ahead to the possibility that former president Donald J. Trump could reach the White House again.
She isn't a former professional wrestler—but she might as well be! That said, she made mincemeat out of our brightest college presidents only one month ago, and she easily dealt with Welker during yesterday's Meet the Press session.
We've taken our reference to "the jugglers and clowns" from Bob Dylan's most famous anthem. So too with his reference to those who "went to the finest schools."
In Dylan's famous song, "the pretty people" who went to those schools are now finding themselves "out on the street" and they're struggling to learn how to deal with it. So it currently goes as our blue elites—we'd include the increasingly angry Morning Joe gang—try to deal with the rise of the current crop of jugglers and clowns.
Stefanik left the presidents for dead. She easily handled Welker.
Why are our blue tribe's most highly educated leaders having so much trouble dealing with the new underclass—with their attacks from below? In yesterday's column, Douthat offered an explanation, and it seems to us that his explanation was largely on target.
"Now you don't seem so proud," Dylan scornfully wrote. The song appeared in July 1965. Does it seem to portray the perilous state of our own blue tribe today?
Watching yesterday's Meet the Press, it seemed to us that the jugglers and clowns had defeated our high blue elites once again. Nothing is going to turn on what happened, but Stefanik handled Welker with ease—and one month earlier, she'd left three others for dead.
Will Donald J. Trump get elected again? We can't tell you that.
It may too late to make a difference. but let's proceed with a basic question this week:
Why do you think it's become so easy? What makes it so easy for the people who seem like the jugglers and clowns to leave our elites for dead?
Tomorrow: What the columnist said
ReplyDeleteTheir clowns beat your clowns.
So, go get better clowns.
The Republicans in the House of Representatives want Hunter Biden to testify behind closed doors, in order to protect his reputation.
ReplyDeleteBoth sides are the same, people.
Yes, that's it. The Republicans want to protect Hunter's reputation. I am Corby.
DeleteI take it back. It's not just bigotry and white supremacy, they also care very much for Hunter's penis.
DeleteI suppose science and logic dictate that the Republicans will have to examine Hunter’s member during that hearing.
DeleteThey wish to examine it long and hard.
DeleteWouldn't it be easier for Republican Congressmen to go back to "toe-tapping" at highway rest stop bathrooms?
DeleteHouse Speaker, Mike Johnson, has already said he'll do everything in his power to protect Antifa from January 6th insurrection charges.
Delete“our own blue tribe's journalistic and academic elites.”
ReplyDeleteBeing the host of “Meet the Press” does not necessarily make you a member of the blue tribe. It isn’t even clear that Welker did anything other than what she intended, to treat stefanik as a viable politician and newsmaker, and to get her “side” of the story. Just ask Chuck Todd if he saw his job as defeating his right wing guests when he hosted the show.
Many liberals say that this is precisely the problem with shows like Meet the press. They do not place any hopes in Welker or Todd to defend liberal interests, nor do they despair about “liberal failure” when “Meet the Press” does what it always does. Liberals understand that this is the lay of the journalistic land.
Republican voters have been a shit pile of bigots since Reagan.
ReplyDeleteDouthat asked the question. I answered it.
What else ya got?
Meet the Press is lobbing softball questions at Republicans?
ReplyDeleteIs this 2024, or the last 45 years?
Stefanik, a Harvard graduate, by all definitions an “elite”, seems to show us the way to dealing with the “new underclass”, as Somerby rather insultingly puts it: Shameless lying, pandering, and narcissistic bullying.
ReplyDeleteSomerby once again mocks the VJ but she went to UCLA, not Harvard but still a highly selective top public University, where she double majored in clowning and philosophy while Somerby barely passed Wittgenstein 101 while avoiding the draft.
DeleteAvoiding the draft was the right thing to do.
DeleteAl Gore was in the army Engineer Brigade in Vietnam.
DeleteAl Gore made many mistakes. But he’s right about climate change.
Delete“Avoiding the draft was the right thing to do.” And it was a lot easier for someone from Harvard who got to avoid it by being so special. Was Somerby out there protesting the war?
Delete@12:19 How do you know that Al Gore is right about climate change? Are you a climatologist? Or, are you just taking someone's word for it on faith?
DeleteI’m a conservative, and I think climate change is a lie from the pit of hell.
DeleteNobody cares if climate change is real or not. They just want to be assured FEMA will be funded by the return of a 90% top income tax rate if there are any weather challenges.
DeleteD & C, I see your point, most of us don't have the education or background to understand the science. But it does seem that an overwhelming number of scientists and nations recognize climate change is real. We necessarily take certain people's word for lot of things. It seems most
Deleteso-called conservatives claim it's a hoax based on a few outliers and conspiracy theorists, solely because addressing it will involve a lot of sacrifice, and therefore opposing it will appeal to people, in accordance with human nature, don't want to make any sacrifices. I doubt that there is sufficient will to make the sacrifice that is being called for. I hope that the climate change proponents are wrong and that it is a "hoax" or just an erroneous prediction, but that seems pretty unlikely to me.
No one doubts that the climate changes. That is not the issue.
DeleteAC/MA Gore is saying more than just climate change is real. He's also saying that it will be catastrophic. That would mean that models are reliable enough to project things many decades into the future.
DeleteI believe in climate change, in the sense that the world is warming and CO2 emissions contribute tothe warming. However, i don't trust the models, because they haven't been properly validated. The models have made predictions with wide very wide ranges. Actual temperature turned out to be within these wide ranges but that's not impressive enough to be conclusive. When a model correctly predicts something unexpected, that's a strong validation. E.g., when observation confirmed that light bends going around the sun, that was a strong confirmation of Einstein's theories.
There has been tremendous pressure on scientists to support the theory of catastrophic climate change. IMO a good analogy was the pressure in the old USSR to support Lysenkoism. So, the fact that a majority of scientists agree is not conclusive.
To be clear, I'm not saying that the models are wrong. I'm saying that we just don't know.
You see, AC? All those scientists agreeing could just be like the communists. It’s simple, really. QUIT PATRONIZING THIS FOOL, AC.
DeleteAC/MA, a D&C is an abortion procedure. It is creepy to apply the term for a women’s health procedure to a person you dislike, like calling someone a douche (only cruder). In general, women don’t like it when men borrow such terms to insult each other. Please stop.
DeleteSomerby quotes Welker saying welcome to the show (a trivial courtesy) but he doesn’t have the space to tell us what Douthat said, which he said twice he agrees with. Is this a way to communicate or is Somerby beng coy again?
ReplyDeleteShouldn't that be Monsignor Douthat?
DeleteWelker did well. She is, of course, not a member of the "blue tribe." She's an elite television performer. She allowed Stefanik to reveal herself as an odious demagogue.
ReplyDeleteWelker did great. She didn't even blink when Stafanik referred to the Jan 6 "hostages" in prison.
DeleteSeems to me that Welker, e.g. could have asked Stefanik what she meant by them being "hostages." what the basis for that was, thAt there had been all these trials. And gone on from there when given more BS responses. I realize, though, that pols will always deflect, and Stefanik is smarter than most, and maybe more evil. Looks like she hopes to be Trump's Veep. The format doesn't allow for going far beneath the surface.
DeleteAnd AC, Welker doesn’t see her job as challenging her guests, particularly the republicans. Neither did Chuck Todd. They want those people to return as guests. Surely you and Somerby know this. It’s also worth noting something that Somerby used to know and say: that “meet the press” is not a liberal show. Now he says that Welker and meet the press are examples of blue tribe failure. It’s asinine.
DeleteCalling the convicted 1/6 insurrectionists and vandals “hostages” was the Republican talking oint of the day. Stefanik didn’t make that up, she just repeated it, like Trump.
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ReplyDeleteWelker spent a lot of time trying to buttonhole Stefanik as to certifying the results of the 2024 vote.
ReplyDeleteShe got Stefanik on record saying that she will not commit to it beforehand.
That’s kinda news.
It’s true that Welker did not launch into a “Have you no shame?” moment with Stefanik over her interrogation of the college presidents, but she didn’t roll over for the congresswoman.
Then heaven forfend that somerby specify in what way he thinks Welker was a failure.
DeleteA “blue tribe” failure at that.
DeleteAnonymouse 10:5am, I think the whole thing with the protest rhetoric on campuses, the call for the involvement of a Republican congress, the overly terse college presidents, has been such a conundrum for the Democrats. Bad judgment and bad luck ruled the day and smart people never had a clue that the level of outrage would lead turning this over to showboating political opponents. Dumb. Somerby’s chewing on that.
DeleteOh, well.
It isn’t as if this hasn’t happened before.
DeleteBoy howdy.
DeleteSally Kornbluth has not resigned.
DeleteHas she been asked to resign?
DeleteShe isn’t black.
DeleteLiz Magill resigned, and she’s not black.
DeleteElise Stefanik has asked Sally Kornbluth to resign.
And we know that Magill did not resign because it was Stefanik who asked that she resign.
DeleteSally Kornbluth has still not resigned. I am Korbi.
DeleteElise Stefanik should resign.
DeleteCecelia of course goes off topic. What is welker’s failure, and what does it have to do with Democrats?
DeleteBuck the topic. I am Borby.
DeleteCecelia has reversed cause and effect.
Delete"the level of outrage would lead turning this over to showboating political opponents."
Try this. Showboating political opponents incited outrage totally beyond all sense of reason. Look at DiC, he can finally sleep knowing Harvard is going to be in good hands now.
I would add that the New York Times fanned the flames as well, by doing multiple front page stories about Gay. (Drum wrote a post about this.)
DeleteAnonymouse 12:28pm, I didn’t go off topic, I said that Welker held Stefanik feet to the fire and made what should be news.
DeleteThe subject is Welker’s conduct during her Stefanik interview. .
I asked you to explain why Somerby thinks Welker failed, given that you think she did ok.
DeleteHere is drum’s post: https://jabberwocking.com/flooding-the-zone-with-claudine-gay/
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DeleteAnonymouse 12:35pm, I’m afraid it was not that one-sided. The outrage as to the rhetoric of pro- Palestine protests at some campuses was bipartisan. There was little official pushback against it. Jewish people are generally liberal and generally Democrats and the party would be stunned to their concerns as they would be toward their other constituencies.
Push back as to a congressional hearing.
DeleteWould be stunned? You’d be stunned that a lot of younger Jews are tired of Israeli aggression.
DeletePosts are disappearing and I am following the wishes of our host.
DeleteCecelia, I don't disagree that many on the Dem side were outraged with pro-Palestine campus protests. But it wasn't "Congress" who staged that little show trial in the House, it was that pack of hyenas who will dine with holocaust deniers one day and don the Star of David the next for their performative act. Dems of course always run for cover when repubs rev up the Mighty Media Wurlitzer Machine, and repubs excel at this if at nothing else.
DeleteA “blue tribe” failure at that.
ReplyDeleteDouthat questions whether Trump is a unique figure or a reflection of global trends towards nationalism.
ReplyDeleteHe believes efforts to remove Trump from office are counterproductive and only deepen divisions and questions whether this would restore normalcy or further escalate populism and division.
Would anyone say Hitler wasn’t a unique figure? We have seen from DeSantis’s miserable failure to gain traction that it takes more than the times to suceed as an autocrat. I think efforts to remove Trump are doing a fine job of keeping him from ruining the country and should continue, whether Trump’s supporters object or not. It is idiocy to think Trump will go away by himself and dangerous to leave him to plot a return. A passive approach to history is a bad idea.
DeleteDouthat might find common ground with you on some aspects, such as the uniqueness of Trump and the inadequacy of other populists. However, he might diverge on the best approach to handling Trump's influence and suggest a more complex and less direct strategy than the one you advocate.
DeleteEverybody’s unique. Even Cecelia is unique.
DeleteAnonymouse 12:14pm, I was just going to comment upon that inane bs only with a different example.
DeleteIt isn’t the Democratic Party who is trying to get trump off the ballot.
DeleteOK. David is unique, too.
DeleteI’m not unique. I’m just another mindless troll.
DeleteSurely, Trump is a symptom of a crisis in the Western empire.
DeleteEven Bob, despite his usual superficiality, knows and emphasizes it.
Trump has given Republicans a chance to reveal their self-interest and greed. That’s nothing new in the world.
DeleteRoss Douthat is a conservative. Of course that stalwart liberal Somerby agrees with him, twice.
ReplyDeleteConservatives are often wrong, but not always wrong.
DeleteAnonymouse 12:00pm, if you got a nickel for every time this sort of argument was made by people who launch odes to their own genius, you’d need an Olympic size pool to store them.
DeleteSpeaking of odes to their own genius, If anonymous 12:00 pm had added “your lizard brain would disagree”, he’d sound just like Bob.
DeleteDouthat is wrong.
DeleteCecilia, I'm glad you're here. You usually make more sense than the dominant "liberal" commenters here, which isn't saying much, but you go beyond that, you actually seem intelligent and have a sense of humor. I think you'd be an interesting person to know. Saying that, one thing that struck me today: Trump at his Iowa rally said that "No one has been treated ever in history so bad as these people" referring to the Jan. 6 "hostages", Apparently, the Jan. 6 "hostages" have it worse than those in the Nazi death camps for example. Worse than the actual hostages being held in Gaza. If I felt that voting for this guy was the best choice I had, I'd feel sick. (I know that's the way he always talks, everything is either the best or worst, when it comes to him, than ever in the entire course of human history. Yuk.)
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DeleteAC/MA, thank you for your kind words!
DeleteI feel that the 1/6 people have been treated very harshly. However, Trump’s remark was utterly ridiculous and it certainly won’t be the last time he says something asinine.
Make sure to praise Cecelia before you meekly ask about her lies and insults. Acknowledge she’s a victim, possibly deranged. Debase yourself AC before the others. It’s Bob’s way.
DeleteAC/MA, Cecelia is unlikely to be highly intelligent because her vocabulary is deficient. Her humor often lacks empathy and shows cruelty. It isn’t unusual to see her commenting gibberish under the influence as the evening goes on. If that’s your type , go for it.
DeleteGoodness. It’s like walking into the high school girl’s restroom and all the moody angry know-it-alls jump your case.
DeleteCecilia, at least the poor 1/6 souls haven't been taken out and shot like what would happen in a lot of places. I wonder what have happened if Trump didn't finally call them off.
Deleteanonymice 8:13, & 8:24, you're both (or maybe a single anonymouse, no way to tell) Corbies.
DeleteWhy do you think that used to happen to you Cecelia? Wrong gender perhaps?
DeleteAC/MA, they would have been arrested sooner. The congress members had been removed to safety. Trump called his troops off because they were incapable of accomplishing their mission (they had lost).
DeleteAC/MA, they would have been shot.
DeleteAnonymouse 11:09pm, right gender, wrong girl.
DeleteTeens can sense evil and bullshit and posers. if they didn’t like teen you, they had a good reason.
DeleteLike Ashley Babbitt?
DeleteAnonymouse 12:24am, nobody liked them. That’s why they hung out together in the bathroom.
DeleteI’ll give those girls credit for never claiming your polystyrene version of empathy.
DeleteYou denigrate empathy because you lack it.
DeletePlagiarism and resignation:
ReplyDeletehttps://www.lawyersgunsmoneyblog.com/2024/01/exactly-one-proposition-2
Stefanik didn't make mincemeat of the presidents. She exposed them as mincemeat.
ReplyDeleteSally Kornbluth ain’t no mincemeat.
DeleteStefanik needs to get busy. There are plenty of liberal college presidents out there. When will she summon the president of Ripon College?
DeleteYes, the campus protests represented a “conundrum for Democrats.” Because supporters of the Palestinians will clearly have a choice between a party like the Democrats, whose platform includes a call for a two state solution, but also supports Israel, whose elder statesmen call for sympathy for the Palestinians, and the republicans, who make no mention of a two state solution, are militantly pro-Israel, and rather significantly islamophobic.
ReplyDeletesingle issue voting is stupid given how many important issues exist
DeleteWhen all Democrats agree about something, that’s tribalism, and it’s thought control. When they don’t, they’re in disarray, and showing their incompetence.
ReplyDeleteNarratives all.
David, did you serve in the armed forces?
ReplyDeleteI thought Bob’s take was that Stefanik scored at the hearings by being a bully and a bore. Whatever.
ReplyDeleteThis goes to the larger, obvious point Bob well knows: the corporate press is hardly liberal, never was, and does a poor job challenging the worst and the most odious, which now comprises the whole Republican Party.
“There has been a shift in society, and that’s reflected in the labor movement as it every place else,” said Stuart Appelbaum, president of the Jewish Labor Committee and head of the Retail, Wholesale and Department Store Union.
ReplyDeletehttps://www.lawyersgunsmoneyblog.com/2024/01/the-grassroots-union-rebellion-to-support-palestine
so what? protesters are not going to stop the fighting or win the war in gaza, and trolls don’t win points by posting this stuff.
DeleteProtests grow to boycotts. Boycotts ended (or at least played a big part in ending) South African apartheid. And they can end Zionist entity in Palestine.
Deletekeep dreaming
DeleteYeah, right. Wikipedia tells me that 35 states passed anti-BDS laws. They must've been dreaming too.
DeleteMore about plagiarism:
ReplyDeletehttps://www.eschatonblog.com/2024/01/plagiarism-feeding-frenzy.html?m=1
Stefanik claims the state of Pennsylvania acted unconstitutionally, the obvious follow up is why have the Courts totally rejected that claim, why wont Trump’s packed supremes even look at it? The lack of follow up when Trump and his stooges make these claims is striking.
ReplyDeleteWhat happens when interviewers do that is that they don’t get anything useful but the interview is derailed, spending too much time while the guest repeats the disinfo and becomes upset. That is how you lose an audience. Somerby’s ideas about cross-examination are unrealistic.
Delete@2:16 PM
DeleteYou can easily check courts' justifications for refusing to deal with election-related challenges. "No standing", usually.
What was the "unconstitutional" part? Too many people allowed to vote?
DeleteIn Pennsylvania, they banned invalidating mail-in ballots with mismatched signatures. So, yes, I suppose: too many ineligible votes.
Delete3:16,
DeleteToo many of "those people" voting.
I know everyone is trying to move on from January 6th (SnowflakeFest 2021), but this was literally what it was all about.
3:27, hold on Hoss. Who is "they"? You said "unconstitutional". Where is the unconstitutional part you imagined?
DeleteDo you have any idea how many absentee and mail-in ballots were submitted in the election? Why did the trump campaign prevent counting mail-in ballots as they were received instead of forcing the districts to hold them all until election day voters had voted?
Here: https://www.forbes.com/sites/alisondurkee/2020/10/23/pennsylvania-ballots-cant-be-thrown-out-for-mismatched-signatures-court-rules-in-blow-to-gop/?sh=6c9871754825
DeleteI will ask again.
DeleteWhat part was "unconstitutional"?
That PA Supreme Court Decision doesn't sound like "No standing" to me.
There's only one part in it: banning verification of signatures in mail-in ballots. Capiche?
DeleteI'm not sure what you're so unhappy about. It doesn't surprise at all that people would consider it unconstitutional.
Not PA Supreme Court. SCOTUS dismissed various challenges as "no standing".
DeleteThe state Supreme Court is the highest authority. We're a republic, remember?
DeleteCapisce (an Italian word).
Delete5:17, you are mischaracterizing the PA S.C. decision in that challenge.
Delete“If the Voter’s Declaration on the return envelope is signed and the county board is satisfied that the declaration is sufficient, the mail-in or absentee ballot should be approved for canvassing unless challenged in accordance with the Pennsylvania Election Code,” Boockvar’s mid-September guidance read. “The Pennsylvania Election Code does not authorize the county board of elections to set aside returned absentee or mail-in ballots based solely on signature analysis by the county board of elections.”
The court concluded that there was no clause in the state’s election code that allowed ballots to be rejected based on signature comparisons, and if the state’s lawmakers wanted one, they would have included it.
“It is not our role under our tripartite system of governance to engage in judicial legislation and to rewrite a statute in order to supply terms which are not present therein, and we will not do so in this instance,” the court wrote.
I mischaracterized nothing.
DeleteSee the forbes.com link above:
"Mail-in ballots in Pennsylvania cannot be rejected because the voter’s signature doesn’t match the one on file, the Pennsylvania Supreme Court declared Friday"
Or you can find yourself a thousand of other links confirming it.
You said the court "banned invalidating mail-in ballots with mismatched signatures".
DeleteWhere in their opinion does the court talk about "mismatched" voter signatures? You're saying voter signatures were compared and mismatches were identified. The court didn't say that.
“If the Voter’s Declaration on the return envelope is signed and the county board is satisfied that the declaration is sufficient, the mail-in or absentee ballot should be approved for canvassing unless challenged in accordance with the Pennsylvania Election Code,” Boockvar’s mid-September guidance read. “The Pennsylvania Election Code does not authorize the county board of elections to set aside returned absentee or mail-in ballots based solely on signature analysis by the county board of elections.”
Signature "analysis" is an asinine requirement. People working in the election canvassing are not qualified to make such a subjective judgement. My own signature today is very different from what it was 20 or 30 years ago.
"You said the court "banned invalidating mail-in ballots with mismatched signatures"."
DeleteYes. That's what I said, and that's what it is.
"Mail-in ballots in Pennsylvania cannot be rejected because the voter’s signature doesn’t match the one on file, the Pennsylvania Supreme Court declared Friday"
You can't ban something that was never authorized in the first place, jackass.
DeleteThere were literally millions of mail-in ballots because of the pandemic, asshole. And the republicans prevented counting of the ballots before election day. So who was qualified to do handwriting analysis on millions of ballot, you fucking magat? What was "unconstitutional", you lying sack of shit?
DeleteYes you can, jackass, if it has been the accepted procedure up to this point.
DeleteMost people, obviously not you, lying sack of shit, believe that accepting millions of mail-in ballots without verification is unconstitutional. Doesn't satisfy the "fair election" requirement.
Of course for lying sacks of shit like yourself that is not a problem, as long as it satisfices your masters.
Is that a "constitutional" reference, magat?
Delete"fair election"
You know what would have been unconstitutional, you lying sack of shit? Having some shit faced anarchist like Steve Bannon disqualifying my fucking vote because he didn't like my signature compared to what it was 30 years ago, magat.
How many fucking time do you have to read this before if penetrates your dumb thick skull?
The court concluded that there was no clause in the state’s election code that allowed ballots to be rejected based on signature comparisons, and if the state’s lawmakers wanted one, they would have included it.
Yes, dumbass, "fair election" is a constitutional reference.
DeleteAs for "no clause in the state’s election code that allowed", dumbass, there is no no clause banning it either, you moron.
DeletePennsylvania Secretary of State Kathy Boockvar (D) made up the rule: no signature verification. The Pennsylvania court found nothing in the election code to overrule her. This doesn't mean Boockvar's order is not unconstitutional, you imbecile.
The fuck it is, magat. I understand, your orange Jesus wanted total chaos and didn't like the fact that too many blacks were allowed to vote. Having Steve Bannon examine millions of signatures while the country waited for the results would have been pure chaos, dumbfuck.
Delete“If the Voter’s Declaration on the return envelope is signed and the county board is satisfied that the declaration is sufficient, the mail-in or absentee ballot should be approved for canvassing unless challenged in accordance with the Pennsylvania Election Code,” Boockvar’s mid-September guidance read. “The Pennsylvania Election Code does not authorize the county board of elections to set aside returned absentee or mail-in ballots based solely on signature analysis by the county board of elections.”
Not a fucking thing was "unconstitutional" in that ruling, magat face.
DeleteIndeed, no imbecile monkey like you should be allowed to vote, you dumbass.
Yes, if the word "unconstitutional" doesn't appear in some PA court's paragraph then everything is perfectly kosher. Yes -- if you're a typical braindead moonbat, that is.
You're the one claiming something was "unconstitutional", magat breath. Show me what was "constiutional", you sore-losing cry baby fascist prick.
DeleteI didn't call anything "unconstitutional", you braindead moonbat. I am not judge, you idiot.
DeleteI said people think it's unconstitutional. And they do, you fascist moonbat moron.
Oh good, we're making progress, magat breath.
DeleteTell us about these "people" who are fucked up in the head, little snowflake sore loser fascists.
People who a not survivors of a botched abortion, like yourself, you braindead fascist moonbat.
DeleteWould someone check on Bob? This absolute mess of a post could be a cry for help.
ReplyDeleteNuance from Kevin:
ReplyDeletehttps://jabberwocking.com/biden-needs-to-stop-aid-to-israel-until-its-campaign-of-starvation-stops/
No one wants innocent people to suffer (except possibly Hamas). Hamas can end the starvation by surrendering.
DeleteThe State of Israel wants innocent people to suffer.
DeleteIsrael did not attack Gaza on 10/7. Hamas did that.
DeleteHistory did not begin on 10/7.
DeleteArabs and Palestinians attacked Israel in 1948, the day after its formation. Israel has the right to defend itself.
DeleteBob asks, "What makes it so easy for the people who seem like the jugglers and clowns to leave our elites for dead?"
ReplyDeleteMy answer is that the elites are no longer reliable. The New York Times, in particular, more or less admitted that they're an anti-Trump organ. Most other news organs have long been biased one way or the other. Universities were exposed as unreliable by Congresswoman Stefanik and by Harvard's behavior.
Since truth is not available, it comes down to whose lies we choose to believe. Some clowns are very skilled at presenting. Some clowns' lies are more likeable. That's why we often choose to believe the clowns' lies.
David, I believe your lies, and I always will. Go ahead, try me. Say something outrageously false. I’ll believe it, because I believe in you.
DeleteThis isn’t about jugglers and clowns but lynch mobs organized by Chris Rufo. Those two presidents are collateral damage in right wing politics played as a blood sport. The right likes to own the libs but none of that will help Trump win or help Republican candidates win their down ballot races.
DeleteDavid still believes the New York Times is playing for the blue team. Why wouldn’t he? He not only hears that on his conservative sites, but also here, where Somerby used to know better.
DeleteNo, they are not correct.
DeleteNo one would claim the NYT is on the side of Trump over Democrats. And of course Democrats are in the pocket of corporations. Our country is a corporation. It's an oil company with an army. The whole world is a corporation.
DeleteWe no longer live in a world of nations and ideologies, Mr. Beale. The world is a college of corporations, inexorably determined by the immutable bylaws of business. The world is a business, Mr. Beale. It has been since man crawled out of the slime.
It's so interesting to see these Lawyers Guns and Money, flag saluting, white boy, midwits all acting like Democrats, the CIA and FBI are good.
DeleteIt's sad but who you going to hate, the guys doing the jacking or the fools getting jacked?
NYTimes desperately tries to bothsides everything.
DeleteHoward Beale was a fictional character in a movie expressing paranoid views of a media that hasn’t existed for decades now.
DeleteAC, Bob Somerby would have been the first to tell you, back in 2000, that the New York Times, indeed the entire purported “liberal” media IS NOT LIBERAL. They are corporations.
DeleteAC, for example, do you not remember the massive front page coverage the NYT gave to the Clinton email story? Story after story after story? Do you remember the giant Clinton foundation story they front paged, in concert with right wing sources, alleging some sort of corruption vis a vis uranium one? Do you remember the space they gave to the Comey story two weeks before the election? Do you remember the constant negative opeds against Gore, even though the staff endorsed Gore? Your views are ludicrous, and it’s a sad state of affairs that you have to be reminded of this.
DeleteThe next 11 months are going to be very, very difficult for you.
Deleteanon 12:37, of course I remember those things. Things are different now. Now the Times is largely woke. There's usually two, or more sides to things. You read all sorts of things in what I said that aren't there, not enough space here to account for everything. I'm not defending the Times.
DeleteI had a woke pebble in my shoe the other day.
DeleteAccording to The New York Times readership demographics, 91% of its readers identify as Democrats. Like Lawyers, Guns and Money, its readership is almost totally out of touch, aging, white men.
Deletehttps://letter.ly/new-york-times-readership-statistics/
https://www.vox.com/recode/23011969/new-york-times-subscriber-athletic-age-peter-kafka-media-column
Which Party is pro big-government?
DeleteWhich Party sounds like Karl Marx?
If you guessed "The Republican Party", then Congratulations for paying attention to politics.
I read LGM but not NYT. I am an out-of-touch aging white man.
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DeleteI am driving an imaginary Tesla now. It's perfect.
Somerby is an ass.
I am Corby.
I drive a real Honda. It’s adequate. I’m the real Corby. I’m inadequate.
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DeleteI am empathic. My be♥d Joe initiated the civil rights movement. I play bridge. I am a good bridge player.
What an asshole Somerby is.
I am Corby.
All’s well. I am Corby.
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