MONDAY, APRIL 29, 2024
How well do we know ourselves? "Your concerns are my concerns," the Hemingway character said.
We refer to the Mariel Hemingway character in the 1979 feature film, Manhattan. According to the leading authority on the topic, "the film received critical acclaim," though it didn't match the Best Picture Oscar win of its immediate predecessor.
At age 18, Hemingway was nominated for the Oscar for Best Supporting Actress. In the face of some unusual subject matter, Manhattan was also nominated for Best Original Screenplay.
"Your concerns are my concerns," the Hemingway character tells her boyfriend near the end of the film Culturally, there was an element of strangeness involved? The authority explains:
Manhattan (1979 film)
[...]
The film opens with a montage of images of Manhattan and other parts of New York City accompanied by George Gershwin's Rhapsody in Blue, with Isaac Davis narrating drafts of an introduction to a book about a man who loves the city.
Isaac is a twice-divorced, 42-year-old television comedy writer who quits his boring job. He is dating Tracy, a 17-year-old girl attending the Dalton School.
Say what? The boyfriend was 42 years old. He was basically living with the largely unparented Hemingway character, who was still a senior in prep school.
So it sometimes went in 1970s film. It was an era in which Brooke Shields, then age 11, appeared nude in one scene in Pretty Baby (1978), which we regard as a searching film about traditional gender roles.
We don't recall the extent to which the relationship in Manhattan produced critical cultural comment. We don't recall whether it produced any such commentary at all.
As noted, Manhattan was widely praised by major critics, largely for an array of fairly obvious reasons. The New York Film Critics Circle gave its director their award for best director of the year.
"Your concerns are my concerns," the Hemingway says to her boyfriend, in a truly beautiful line reading. It was never entirely clear what those concerns really were.
So too for us who live in Blue America at this parlous point in time. What are our concerns at this time? But also, and very important:
Just how well do we understand ourselves? Favorable self-portraits to the side, just how well do we understand the true nature of our concerns?
Yesterday, a gruesome set of polling data emerged. All such data are, of course, subject to various forms of error. Also, these new numbers emerge as a bit of an outlier.
That said, these new statistics from CNN have Candidate Trump leading Candidate Biden by six points nationwide—49-43 percent. Those numbers could be substantially wrong—or they could be basically accurate, if only at this point in time.
Those numbers could be substantially accurate! That said, what sorts of concerns could be driving such figures?
CNN asked! According to CNN's polling director, 65% of registered voters called the economy extremely important to their vote for president.
No other issue scored that high. Headline included, CNN's report adds this:
Considering other issue priorities for the upcoming election, 58% of voters call protecting democracy an extremely important issue, the only other issue tested that a majority considers central to their choice.
Nearly half call immigration, crime and gun policy deeply important (48% each), with health care (43%), abortion (42%) and nominations to the US Supreme Court (39%) each deeply important to about 4 in 10 voters. At the lower end of the scale, just 33% consider foreign policy that important, 27% climate change, 26% the war between Israel and Hamas, and 24% student loans.
There remain sharp partisan differences in which issues are most critical to choosing a president. Among Democratic-aligned voters, protecting democracy (67%), abortion (54%), the economy (52%), gun policy (51%) and health care (49%) all rank as key for about half or more, while on the GOP-aligned side, it’s the economy (79%), immigration (71%), crime (65%) and then democracy (54%).
Foreign affairs and climate change, good-bye! On the brighter side, a majority of respondents in each major party called "protecting democracy" a major issue.
But what did respondents have in mind when they chose that as a point of concern? We were struck by this additional observation:
But the poll finds that Biden voters and Trump voters largely just don’t understand each other. Among those who do not currently support Biden, 66% say they don’t understand why anyone would support him, and 63% of those not backing Trump say they can’t understand why anyone would support him.
Our concerns may not be their concerns! And make no mistake:
When it comes to "protecting democracy," Red America's voters are thinking of one set of possibilities. Voters in our own Bue America will typically be thinking of something different.
According to the CNN survey, Biden voters and Trump voters "largely don't understand each other." This week, we'll be exploring a different question:
How well do we voters in Blue America understand ourselves? How well do we understand our own stated concerns?
Over and over, again and again, our thought leader say that their major concern involves the possibility that we will lose our democracy if Donald Trump wins—that this could be our last election.
But what are we eager to be talking about as we conduct our sacred elections? As with other human groups, we're inclined to paint a lofty portrait of our concerns, but when the rubber meets the road, what kinds of tracks are we leaving?
Did Donald J. Trump commit a crime with respect to his alleged sex life?
For ourselves, we don't especially care about that. That said:
Dating to the dawn of time, we humans have frequently displayed a tendency to be concerned with little or nothing else.
As a matter of basic anthropology, what exactly are our concerns? Has anything changed through the ages?
Day after day, we portray our concerns. How well do we know ourselves?
Tomorrow: Late Bronze Age election
Robbi Mecus has died.
ReplyDeleteBye-bye, Robbi
DeleteErnest Hemingway killed himself when his granddaughter Mariel was still a fetus.
ReplyDeleteHemingway spent much of his life killing himself slowly with alcohol abuse.
DeleteHe had hemochromatosis.
DeleteAnd he was a drunk.
DeleteYou don’t have hemochromatosis, so you don’t understand.
DeleteI don't have Hemingway's glorious unquenchable thirst either, so no I don't understand. For most alcoholics, it is enough just to refer to their drinking as a disease.
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You may have the causality reversed @6:27.
The film Manhattan and Mariel Hemingway's performance have nothing whatsoever to do with polling or the upcoming election. I see it as Somerby thumbing his nose at the objections to Woody Allen's attraction to young girls. Coyly, Someby never mentions his name at all. He never mentions Hemingway's later statements that she felt she had been sexually abused during the filming of Manhattan. He never mentions the accusations against Allen based on his relationship with his step-daughter and other children. Woody Allen is an enormously controversial figure.
ReplyDeleteInstead, Somerby hangs all mentions of Hemingway and the film Manhattan on a single line, which itself has nothing to do with anything in the current election, then he switches to bragging about Trump's lead over Biden in recent polls. He could instead have devoted his entire essay to discussing the problems with polling and whether or not Biden has been gaining on Trump, but instead he wants to hint at age-inappropriate relationships between much older men and under-age girls while leaving out the women's side of things concerning Woody Allen, without saying his name.
What is that all about? Even Somerby's defenders may have difficulty explaining what is going on in his mind as he toys with a controversial topic that he may both wish to avoid but also wish to discuss, in a classic Freudian approach-avoidance conflict.
Are we supposed to think that because Woody Allen made some wonderful films, that his sexual behavior didn't matter? Are we supposed to think that the same may be true for Trump, that he may be a serious candidate for another term because his sexual abuse of women doesn't matter to his other accomplishments (as viewed by the right)? If so, Somerby doesn't have the guts to come out and say that directly. And the roughly 50% of voters who are women may not agree with him -- look what Trump did last time, by appointing a conservative court that immediately did away with abortion rights! His own wife won't endorse him by appearing at his campaign events! Or maybe Somerby just wants to know whether the public can still love a man who is an accused pedophile?
You just got trolled good, sister.
DeleteI didn’t think he had that sort of moxie in him.
Somerby isn’t fooling.
DeleteThe title of Somerby's post refers to our democracy. Perhaps he is asserting that the right to molest young teen girls is a democratic right, in the Constitution perhaps?
ReplyDeleteWho remembers that scene in Pretty Baby? Why would it stick in someone's mind like that?
ReplyDeleteI find it odd that Somerby didn't mention Trump's own brag that he was permitted to walk into his teen beauty contest dressing room, while the girls were undressed, because he owned the pageant. And there are some very kinky photos of Trump with Ivanka on his lap, in her mid-teens. Is Somerby perhaps wishing to excuse such behavior by pointing out that Woody Allen got an oscar for Hannah and her Sisters, a film with none of those themes? At the time, it seemed clear that Woody Allen regarded his oscar as license to explore less viable themes and the content of his movies changed.
I just wrote a lengthy comment about Hollywood exploring some boundaries but it has been deleted. The bottom line is that Somerby's own recent exploration of deviant sex (Eyes Wide Shut) may be an attempt to normalize or excuse Trump's behavior with women.
I remember that scene in Pretty Baby. I was shocked.
DeleteDo you remember Sue Lyons in Lolita? How about Jodie Foster's scene in Taxi Driver? Trump's pics with Ivanka shocked me, because what politician would let such blatantly sexual photos of the candidate with his own daughter out into the world, much less brag about them? Well, perhaps Roy Moore.
DeleteI'll bet there are a whole bunch of anti-MeToo guys signing those petitions to let Roman Polanski back into the US.
DeleteMariel Hemingway wanted to explore what forms of coercion are OK when much older men are involved with younger women and girls.
ReplyDelete"But the poll finds that Biden voters and Trump voters largely just don’t understand each other. "
ReplyDeleteOn the other hand, I think Somerby would find that neither Biden voters nor Trump voters would condone sex abuse. That issue is more likely to split along gender lines.
"A Trump Conviction Would Be a Game Changer
ReplyDeleteApril 29, 2024 at 9:00 am EDT By Taegan Goddard [Political Wire]
A new CNN poll published over the weekend was mostly bad news for Democrats because it showed Donald Trump with a 49% to 43% lead over Joe Biden.
But the survey also suggests Trump’s coalition is very fragile.
The big takeaway is that 24% of Trump’s voters would possibly abandon him if he were convicted in the hush money trial.
CNN has more on these voters:
They tend to be younger than other Trump supporters (64% are younger than 50 compared with 37% of those who would not reconsider), are less likely to be White (49% are people of color compared with 17% of those who would not reconsider), are more apt to report being Biden voters in 2020 (20% of them say they backed Biden in 2020 vs. 6% of those who would not reconsider) and are likelier to acknowledge that Biden legitimately won enough votes to win the presidency four years ago (63% vs. 22% among those who would not reconsider). They are also more apt to be political independents (49% vs. 31%) and ideologically moderate (50% vs. 38%).
Poll after poll shows Biden weaker with young, Black and Hispanic voters. But if this poll is correct, these voters are also the most likely to abandon Trump if he’s convicted in one of his trials.
It’s nonetheless insane that 76% of Trump’s voters tell pollsters they would stick with him even if he’s a convicted felon.
But the poll also suggests his support is quite soft."
https://politicalwire.com/2024/04/29/a-trump-conviction-would-be-a-game-changer/#growUnverifiedReaderId=e2b241bf-0529-42e3-b521-9bd2402c2fb3&growAuthSource=espLink
I can't believe Trump is ahead in the polls.
DeleteHe isn't. The CNN poll is an outlier.
DeleteOh. Typical polls shows Biden is ahead. Good.
Delete"Did Donald J. Trump commit a crime with respect to his alleged sex life?
ReplyDeleteFor ourselves, we don't especially care about that. "
Does anyone here believe that Somerby doesn't care about Trump's sex life? It is the only place his mind appears capable of going in this case, which is about election manipulation, NOT sex.
As noted repeatedly HERE and other places, the current trial has not about sex, which was consensual and legal with both Stormy Daniels and Karen McDougal.
The sex abuse of E. Jean Carroll was not legal, but even that trial was about defamation (because the statute of limitations had expired on the rape). The judge determined that Trump had raped Carroll, but that was in order to decide whether he had also defamed her (as opposed to defending himself against bogus charges). The judge ruled in Carroll's favor that Trump was a rapist.
Note that rape is NOT sex. It is generally about anger and control, not sex. Somerby's ongoing conflation of the two is noted.
The victim in Trump's current case is the American voter, whose ability to make an informed choice was impaired by Trump's attempt to suppress info using hush money payments and subsequent falsficiation of business records to cover up the election meddling and failure to report campaign contributions. That doesn't sound sexy because it is not about sex at all.
Calling the human race a bunch of sex addicts doesn't help Trump's case. Being a sex addict is not a qualification for president.
ReplyDeleteMaybe Somerby is serious about this stuff. Like extremists in the Catholic Church, maybe he wants to see men and women with one foot of space between each other unless married? Somerby may be the ultimate church lady.
DeleteSex addiction is normal.
Delete
ReplyDeleteI have an endless supply of word-salads to spam Somerby's blog with. Somerby is no liberal.
I am Corby.
Corby, how do you feel about the fact that Trump's new Christian Nationalist buddies want to outlaw recreational sex for women and p*rn for men? Somerby seems to be claiming that Trump is a swinger (like Woody Allen) and thus shouldn't be held accountable for meddling in the election, but how do you feel about potentially losing current outlets for energy that Trump's church buddies want to see redirected into religious worship? Are you up for that?
DeleteWoody Allen is funded by Russia via Iran and Qatar through Truth Social. I play bridge and I sniff my fingers. I ♥ Joe.
DeleteI am Corby.
Real Corby is not a liar like you.
DeleteYou are real Boris based in Eastern Europe.
DeleteI am Corby.
A focus on alleged sexual misdeeds will not defeat Trump.
ReplyDeleteTrump's rape and other sexual misdeeds are unproved and in the past.. OTOH Clinton's blow jobs in the Oval Office were current and most definitely proved. Yet, Clinton remained popular, because he was doing a good job as President.
Voters are selfish. They care most about what a President will do for them.
Somerby is the one focusing on Trump's alleged sexual misdeeds. The court is focused on his actual crimes.
DeleteTrump's rape of E.Jean Carroll is proven in the sense that it was affirmed by the court in her defamation case, and by the jury which awarded her a lot of money for having been defamed by Trump when he lied about what happened. Calling this "unproven" is wrong.
I am a voter and I care a lot about not electing a rapist as president.
Fellatio is good.
DeleteTrump being a sex pest doesn't matter to Republican voters, because Republican voters only care about bigotry and white supremacy.
DeleteAs Porky Pig said, "That's all folks."
All DIC is saying is that Republican voters have no integrity, whereas Dem voters do.
DeleteGood on DIC!
David, the sexual assaults by Trump are not "alleged" anymore, fuckface.
DeleteBut WHAT WILL THE CHILDREN SAY, you hypocritical magat.
Anonymouse 12:08pm, especially if
Deleteit’s between not-of- legal-age grade school boys, in a novel with illustrations, in a grade school library, and as read aloud by angry parents in school board meetings.
Sexuality is equally fine if it’s provocatively dressed drag queens dancing around in school gyms, auditoriums and public libraries.
In those cases it’s just normal sexuality that kids experience via professional sports team cheerleaders and in the past times, via one room cabins.
It’s all good then.
When I was in grade school, a boy one year older tried to seduce me, and I refused. A girl one year younger seduced me, and it’s one of my happiest memories from childhood.
DeleteAnonymouse 1:50pm, write it up. You have a Pulitzer in your future and they’ll get a female director for the movie.
DeleteIf it doesn’t win an Oscar it will be the fault of sexism and puritanism
Would you play the girl?
Delete@12:40 mentioned integrity. I don't know whether to laugh or cry. Americans no longer expect integrity from our government. Obviously Trump is the biggest liar, but Biden tells lie after lie. Kristy Noem showed integrity when she wrote about shooing her dog. The response is not respect and appreciation for her integrity, It's derision for admitting something politically harmful.
DeleteThe dog showed integrity.
DeleteKristi was right.
Deletehttps://www.mediamatters.org/michael-knowles/daily-wire-host-defends-gov-kristi-noem-killing-her-puppy-noem-didnt-do-anything
Delete"Americans no longer expect integrity from our government"
Speak for yourself, fuckface. Also, I wonder why you spent the better part of a quarter century trying to peek up Hillary Clinton's skirt, hoping to find any slight flaw. Go fuck yourself, David.
David, Norm showed that she’s a naïf politically and socially.. That’s callousness and stupidity. .
DeleteNoem
DeleteIn all likelihood Noem thought that the recounting of those events with dog and goat would give her street cred with a certain group of voters. Look at me! I'm authentic! Although requiring two shots to kill the goat takes some luster off that claim. If she really wanted to impress, she could have devoted a colorful paragraph to how the goat was squirming around in pain and what sounds were coming out of its mouth when she was reloading. Missed opportunity.
DeleteCecelia, naïf is masculine. The feminine is naïve.
DeleteDavid,
Delete"Kristy Noem showed integrity when she wrote about shooing her dog."
It's not the shooing the dog that was an issue; it was the *shooting* of the dog that caused the uproar. Anyways, minor misspellings aside -- no, she didn't show integrity. She showed complete tone deafness and lack of introspection.
The lesson that she should've taken out of that incident should've been one of humility; she should've owned up to having failed. Instead, she is trotting it out as some manifestation of her decisiveness and being a problem solver. That is asinine and makes her a moron. Integrity? Where do you see that?
Will she shoot her kids when they turn out to be untrainable?
DeleteAnonymouse 5:58pm, and?
DeleteYou got it wrong because you are, at best, only half educated.
DeleteCecelia, you said Kristi Noem is a naïf.
DeleteSave the children from porn Cecelia, cause the kids today don't have phones. Yeesh the stupid.
DeleteNot a rodent, and still more analytical, open-minded, and cogent than your troll lot.
DeleteThat’s not saying much, but it is indicative of the stunting effect that dogmatic Marxist ideology has on the anonymouse mind.
Not a rodent, and of course, my inference with “and?” as to Noem being masculine went right over your head, as does everything even marginally subtle.
DeleteKristi Noem identifies as female.
Delete"Controversial director Woody Allen was booed by critics as he arrived at the screening for his film Coup De Chance with his family on Monday evening." This was at the Venice Film Festival last Sept. Perhaps that is why Somerby did not mention his name when talking about the underage romantic relationship in Manhattan.
ReplyDeleteAnonymouse 11:51am, a seventeen-year-old is not legally underage. Does it suggest a lot about a man (or woman) who can’t resist going for it. Yelp.
DeleteCecelia, depends on state law.
DeleteShe was the adult in the relationship.
DeleteAnonymouse 4:31pm, Woody surely wasn’t.
DeleteHe wanted to take her on a trip to Paris and her parents AGREED. SHE told Woody that she knew that he wasn’t planning on their having separate rooms.She refused to go.
That lady has been the adult in the room her whole life.
If Somerby is making the point that Woody won an oscar and then got weird, that should be construed as a warning about Trump’s second term.
ReplyDeleteFactually speaking, Trump did the sex stuff before he was elected, not after.
If Trump is re-elected. I don’t think we’re going to hear of him getting it on with a teenager as was the case with JFK.
DeleteWhat we would see, with no more elections to win, is Trump moving to the left
Like everyone who does their own research, Trump will call for blacks to get reparations for slavery.
DeleteAnonymouse 2:47pm, worse. Hasidic jewelers.
DeleteIt is hard for Trump to have sex when he is sharting all over the place.
DeleteThe American people don't like Biden. It's crazy that he is even running.
ReplyDeleteThe trick is to run him against a piece of shit. That's how Biden got over 81 million Americans to vote for him in his landslide 2020 Presidential election victory.
DeleteOh. Thanks for sharing the trick. That makes me feel great.
DeleteAnonymouse 3:34, mark this date down. You just got the absolute God’s truth as to Biden from an anonymouse flying monkey. .
Delete3:34,
DeleteAlso the date Cecelia had no disagreement with Trump being called a piece of shit.
3:34,
DeleteIf it ain't broke, don't fix it.
Anonymouse 3:34pm, •blanket epithets against pols are always fine in my book. It’s our God-given right, baby.
Delete@anon 2:49:
DeleteI am the Lorax, I speak for the trees, for the trees have no tongue.
3:54
DeleteIt's broke!!!
I still think the Dems will be smart enough to replace Biden with some other candidate. An unknown Dem will win easily, since Trump has so many negatives. Why risk losing with Biden when they can win for sure with X.
DeleteYes, X will be a great president.
DeleteFormerly Twitter.
DeleteIt will be hard to believe Democrats are serious about Trump being an existential threat to Democracy if Biden does end up being the candidate.
DeleteSex is better for you, too.
ReplyDeleteAh, how Bob’s mind wanders. Actually, even
ReplyDeletelong before Woody Allen’s marital life
became a sort of unofficial civil war,
“Manhattan” was challenged in real time
For its subject matter, though some did
Think it was a great movie. See Pauline
Kael and a spoof of the film on SNL with
Rodney Dangerfield. I like it due to its
beautiful photography and funny scenes,
in those days Allen still wrote hilarious
lines.
To contextualize how much attention
we should be giving Trump’s ghastly
personal life (one assumes Bob doesn’t
care about the assault allegations either)
one might compare the reaction to the
Right’s wildly righteous (and now shown
to be even more ridiculous) response to
Bill Clinton’s bad behavior.
But as a younger, more credible Bob
Somerby used to say, “Really, my dear,
that simply ISN’T done!!”
Anonymouse 4:59pm, Bob wasn't interested in Clinton’s womanizing during his governorship and presidency, let alone Trump’s pre-politician trysts.
DeleteThat’s consistency and it’s cred.
How many governors does Somerby discuss? Somerby started blogging after Clinton was leaving office, when Al Gore ran for president.
DeleteNot a Rodent, he discussed/still discusses the Clinton Admin in the context of partisan politics and the media industry.
DeleteHe did that then and he does it now.
DiC - I know you're concerned about inflation. I'm wondering: Do you think Trump's 10% tariff on all foreign goods, 60% tariff on Chinese goods (e.g., clothing), and 100% tariff on foreign-made cars (e.g., Honda, Toyota) will make those goods more expensive or less expensive?
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