HOW WE GOT HERE: How did it [ever] get this far?

MONDAY, OCTOBER 28, 2024

One candidate's Garden Party: On balance, Sid Rosenberg isn't a well-known national figure.

Yesterday, he was a featured speaker at a Garden Party. 

It wasn't Rick Nelson's Garden Party, concerning which he wrote and recorded this song in 1972. It was the Garden Party of one of the candidates—of Candidate Donald J. Trump.

Rosenberg was just one speaker among quite a few, including the policy nutcase Elon Musk. Providing a rough idea of the vibe along with a walk down memory lane, here's who Sid Rosenberg is:

Sid Rosenberg

Sidney Ferris Rosenberg (born April 19, 1967) is an American radio personality. He is currently the host of Sid and Friends in the Morning and "Sid Sports Sunday" plus sports reporter on 77 WABC in New York City.

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His radio career started in West Palm Beach, Florida, where he hosted the syndicated sports radio program The Drive on Sports Fan Radio Network in the late 1990s...In 2000, he returned to New York City to co-host WNEW-FM's turbulent morning show, the Sports Guys. A year later, he joined the Imus in the Morning program...

Rosenberg was no stranger to controversy on the Imus show, which was also simulcast on MSNBC cable television. Among other things, he said on-air that Venus Williams was an "animal," and that she and Serena Williams would be better suited for National Geographic magazine than for Playboy, that "faggots play tennis" and that the United States women's national soccer team were "a bunch of juiced up dykes."

Rosenberg was fired from the Imus show after making crude remarks about Australian singer Kylie Minogue's breast cancer diagnosis...As a substitute sportscaster on April 4, 2007, Rosenberg reported on Rutgers University's 59-46 loss the previous evening to the University of Tennessee, in the final game of the NCAA Women's Division I Basketball Championship. This served as a lead-in to Imus and other cast members, who made comments that resulted in the cancelation of the program one week later.

That's who Rosenberg is, or at least who he was in the past. His role on Imus recalls the era when this garbage can behavior was working its way inside the culture in various disguised and camouflaged forms, with major members of Blue America's media elite straining to get on board.

(We think here of the early Howard Stern, along with the more presentable Imus.)

That's who Rosenberg seems to be, or at least that's who he's been in the past. Yesterday, speaking at one candidate's Garden Party, he offered such thoughtful ruminations as these:

ROSENBERG (10/27/24): She is some sick bastard, that Hillary Clinton, huh? What a sick son of a bitch. The whole fucking party—a bunch of degenerates. Low lives. Jew-haters and low lives. Every one of them. Every one of them.

So said the "radio personality" at one hopeful's Garden Party.

For better or worse, you can hear the full seven minutes of his remarks through the auspices of 77ABC, a corporate entity which apparently isn't embarrassed by the conduct of this employee. Included will be this remark—a remarks which were plucked by Acyn from the stew and subsequently headlined in this post at Mediaite:

ROSENBERG: But the fucking illegals, they get whatever they want.

You can hear the full seven minutes here, but we'll offer a type of warning. In the midst of Rosenberg's ugly, profanity-strewn rant, you'll possibly be exposed the some of the ways those of us in Blue America have actually managed to get here.

In our view, we've done that over the past sixty years. As is true of human tribes all across the globe and all through the annals of time, those of us in Blue America aren't especially skilled at seeing such things about ourselves and about our own behavior.

Yesterday's Garden Party was full of ugly denunciations and rants. Perhaps the stupidest boy of them all was comedian Tony Hinchcliffe, whose remark about a certain "floating island of garbage in the middle of the ocean" was later disowned by the Trump campaign itself.

That said, the vitriol, and the sheer stupidity, were general over the Garden. In the course of the rally's mayhem, a journalistic rule of thumb seems to have emerged:

When this is done on the Fox News Channel, the New York Times (and other such orgs) will avert their gaze. But when it's done at Madison Square Garden, in a highly-publicized event, even the finer people apparently feel they have to report what happened.

That' what the Times has done, at long last, in today's news report:

Trump at the Garden: A Closing Carnival of Grievances, Misogyny and Racism

Donald J. Trump’s closing rally at Madison Square Garden on the second to last Sunday before the election was a release of rage at a political and legal system that impeached, indicted and convicted him, a vivid and at times racist display of the dark energy animating the MAGA movement.

A comic kicked off the rally by dismissing Puerto Rico as a “floating island of garbage,” then mocked Hispanics as failing to use birth control, Jews as cheap and Palestinians as rock-throwers, and called out a Black man in the audience with a reference to watermelon.

Another speaker likened Vice President Kamala Harris to a prostitute with “pimp handlers.” A third called her “the Antichrist.” And the former Fox News host Tucker Carlson mocked Ms. Harris—the daughter of an Indian mother and a Jamaican father—with a made-up ethnicity, saying she was vying to become “the first Samoan-Malaysian, low IQ former California prosecutor ever to be elected president.”

By the time the former president himself took the stage, an event billed as delivering the closing message of his campaign, with nine days left in a tossup race, had instead become a carnival of grievances, misogyny and racism.

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Later, the television host Phil McGraw, known as Dr. Phil, lectured the crowd on why Mr. Trump did not fit the definition of “a bully” because a bully requires “an imbalance of power,” seeming to ignore the fact that Mr. Trump has enormous power as a billionaire and former president.

During the speech by Mr. Trump’s running mate, Mr. Vance, the entire arena spontaneously burst into chants of “Tampon Tim” to disparage Gov. Tim Walz of Minnesota, Ms. Harris’s running mate.

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David Rem, a childhood friend of Mr. Trump, called Ms. Harris “the devil.”

You can't get dumber than Dr. Phil. At long last, that's perfectly clear.

That said, even the New York Times couldn't get to everything that was said in this news report. Unmentioned was the ugly oral sex insult the former "professional wrestler" known as Hulk Hogan directed at Candidate Harris. 

In fairness, this insult may have gone unmentioned in the Times because it was too hard to explain. Mediaite explains the oral sex insult here, with background from last summer offered here and also offered here.

(Warning! Dagen McDowell sightings!)

For the record, insults of this type, directed at Candidate Harris, have been general over the Fox News Channel in the past few months. 

We regard that as a remarkable fact; it's a remarkable fact which we've been noting in our own reports. It's also a fact which we've seen no one among Blue America's journalist crowd mention anywhere else.

The candidate who staged this Garden Party may well get elected next week. (Or not.) Polling suggests that the race is very close, though there's no way to be sure even about that widely stated assessment.

The candidate who staged yesterday's mess may get elected next week! At some point, those of us in Blue America might want to ponder an extremely basic question.

Many people have been asking this question of late; in our experience, few people have tried to address it. This very morning, Mika Brzezinski asked the question on Morning Joe after describing the Garden Party:

BRZEZINSKI (10/28/24): It's discouraging that so many people would rally to hate. Oh my God, how did we get here? How did we get here?

How did we get here, Mika asked. She was asking a very good question. 

In our view, the answer takes us back perhaps sixty years. In our view, it does involve unattractive and unintelligent behavior by us in Blue America. 

Some of that Blue American behavior takes us back in time. On the other hand, we also think of this unanswered, highly significant question from just the past four years:

Key unanswered question:
Why did President Biden (not Vice President Harris) do what he did, for three-plus years, with respect to the southern border? Why did the president do that?

As we've noted, Candidate Harris has been asked that question again and again. Again and again, she has refused to answer—and that unexplained conduct by President Biden may send Donald Trump to the White House! 

How did we ever get to this place? We'll discuss the border, and other topics, over the course of this week.

Warning! Some of the answers lurk in the comments which got edited out of Acyn's posts about yesterday's Garden Party. We even refer to the fuller remarks by Tucker Calson—to the fuller remarks he offered after mocking Candidate Harris on an angry "racial"/ethnic basis.

Acyn gives us what we want. Does he give us what we need?

Tomorrow: Stephens and Kristof and Bouie and Klein! A tale of four New York Times columnists


75 comments:

  1. I was looking forward to the MSG rally and was not disappointed. The Republican party has molded itself to the misogynistic and racist world view of a progressively more demented old man and the result was on full display. When Trump declined any more debates with Harris he told us all that he knew she humiliated him. All that is left is what we saw last night. Maybe they can squeeze in a few more of these in the next week if he is not exhausted.

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    1. Ronald Reagan is looking up from hell with a smirk on his face.

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  2. "a bunch of degenerates" - if that's a description of the Democrat party faithfuls, it sounds exactly right.

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    1. Fortunately, they're easy to spot in the wild. They're the ones who don't crave bigotry and white supremacy 24/7.

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    2. anon 9:48 - not just right but "exactly" right?? in what way are the democratic party faithful a "bunch of "degenerates"? Do you think your observation promotes rational discourse?

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    3. It is better that these type of people, like 9:48, are out in the light of day, so we can identify them, isolate them, and keep them out of power.

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  3. Harris may not be giving illegals everything they want, but if people need to believe it in order to vote for her next week, I don't see any huge problem. Whatever it takes, I say.

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  4. Just giving illegals everything they want isn't going to get me to vote for Harris. She'll need to not give anything to white Americans, as well, if she wants my vote.

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    1. Crossing the border illegally is a misdemeanor, living undocumented in the US is not a crime.

      Elon Musk was an undocumented/"illegal" immigrant that become the world's richest person, primarily by conning people with empty promises, receiving billions in misbegotten government subsidies, living high on the hog off American tax dollars while offering nothing of value to society.

      Most immigrants add value to our society, and they should not be criminalized or deported; Musk is an exception.

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    2. Melania Knavs, anyone?

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    3. “ Melania Trump (born Melanija Knavs”

      From Wikipedia

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    4. I would like our host to explain how America's economy would have led the world in recovering from Covid without immagrant labor. People are so ignorant of basic facts.

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    5. I would like to have it detailed here what the everything is that the illegals are getting. Aside from jobs.

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    6. @3:14 - try the internet, dork.

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  5. "Perhaps the stupidest boy of them all was comedian Tony Hinchcliffe"

    For the record, Hinchcliffe is not a boy. He is not stupid either. He is giving Trump's people what they want to hear.

    But today Somerby blames the whole mess on Harris not answer a question about the border to Somerby's satisfaction. Never mind that this behavior predates Harris running for president. There was plenty of racism before she was nominated.

    Perhaps some of the problem is that people like Somerby, who pretend to know better than to engage in the right wing's filth, nevertheless allow it to escalate by blaming it on those who don't behave badly, blue America. Maybe someday Somerby will do a bit of introspection and really think about why the right is this way, but I don't expect it to happen any time soon. Meanwhile, Somerby has written more drivel today, smeared Ricky Nelson by associating him with Trump's MSG fiasco, and shed no light at all on anything. And he lies that Harris has not addressed border questions that she has talked about repeatedly, to the satisfaction of normal people who are thinking about this election in good faith. Somerby is not voting for Harris. With luck, he isn't voting for anyone.

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    1. I have doubts about whether you're really offended by the rally or the jokes. I think not because you'd have to have some kind of mental illness, but you are performing your role perfectly. The role that will elect Trump.

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    2. Right, 10:51. No one should be offended by vile derogatory jokes. Fuck civility and rational discourse. That’s for wussies.

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    3. " ... you'd have to have some kind of mental illness, but you are performing your role perfectly."

      Pretty decent description of Trump.

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  6. The MSG rally helped Trump in two ways. One is that it was a spectacle of excitement and enthusiasm. The other is that it drew the usual unhinged reaction from Democrats.

    In other words, another example of Democrats doing themselves in. The rally images did not have to be reported at all, since it was a rally in a state that is not in play. Yet it was on every news network.

    The unhinged reaction could have been controlled but no, Nazi and Hitler and fainting over a tasteless joke once again fulfilled all of the worst expectations everyone has about Democrats as humorless scolding women.

    The reaction shows exactly what brought us "here." People constantly reminded of why they are turned off by Democrats.

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    1. So we need to rally Republicans to our side by saying Trump sucks JD's dick while Musk and Thiel masterbate while watching?

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    2. All those people leaving early were enthusiastic about not being there.

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  7. Somerby has yet to credibly articulate what his issue is with Biden's policy on immigration, other than to obscurely suggest it may cause Harris to lose.

    Somerby further offers no substantiation for his claims, per usual he can not be bothered with evidence, preferring the safety of empty rhetoric.

    Worse, Somerby engages in victim blaming, saying that the abhorrent behavior of Trump and his thugs is somehow the fault of "Blue America" - a term he leaves undefined. (Were he to limit "Blue America" to mean corporate media while recognizing that independent media has left corporate media in the dust and left it increasingly immaterial, he would have a sliver of a point.)

    Somerby seems to be suggesting that what is best is to forego our principles and deal with troubled folks like Trumpers by acquiescing to their lunatic notions. (Indeed, in the effort of political expediency the Dems did compromise on an immigration bill offered by the Republicans, but Trump put the kibosh on that, worried it would accelerate him having to face personal responsibility for his corruption and crimes, Somerby hand-waves this effort, incomprehensibly saying it was too late.)

    Somerby's murky nonsense is incoherent and irrelevant.

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  8. There are reportedly 450,000 Puerto Rican citizens with the right to vote in PA. How does that joke help Trump's campaign in that swing state? Or has Trump written off the urban areas entirely and is just focused on mobilizing his small-minded base?

    My fear is that Trump has entirely written off the election, is resigned to losing to Harris, and thus is only focused on taking the presidency by force and fraud, using the Supreme Court to take over the presidency. These right wingers obviously lack all restraint, they are hungering to use violence to achieve their goals, and they may have decided the only way to become president is to take the office forcibly.

    Trump's farce of a presidential campaign has been revealed as a false front, with this MSG stunt. All sane people should see him for what he is now. Will that be enough to prevent the takeover of the American govt (aided by Putin)? This election couldn't have been weirder if it had been scripted for TV.

    Somerby is useless. He needs to hang it up and stop pouring fuel on the fire with his daily attacks on blue voters.

    How did things get this far? Why does Somerby describe our current political scene as "far"? These people were deplorable in 2016 and they are worse now, because people like Somerby egg them on. Look at that stupid, silly MAGA woman who ripped her own shirt off in her polling place because a worker told her she couldn't campaign there. I'm surprised she didn't have a picture of Trump tattooed on her chest. These are not normal people, they have never been normal, and they are ruining our country. Somerby is too scared to say so, but the others are the problem. And Somerby too, because he has devoted the years since 2015 to undermining rationality with his ridiculous nonsense.

    I think the Iliad needs another re-reading. Somerby? Somerby? Sacred Homer is calling you. Set the mouse down gently...

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    1. All true. The normal people know men can be pregnant and chest feed, and that chopping off body parts is compassionate treatment for confused teenagers.

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    2. I've noticed every single time Trump gives a HUGE tax break to the rich and corporations, Republican voters---who are economically anxious, and not at all just a shit pile of bigots (hat tip, mainstream media)----get more excited to vote for Trump.

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    3. Somerby says we are divided, full stop.

      As to what we are divided over, Somerby prefers to hide his head in the sand; just another sad old man.

      Somerby does not go further because he knows he would have to pony up and address the lunacy of sad, lost people like 11:05.

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    4. I suspect 11:05 is a troll. Apparently, lying and making derogatory comments about your opponents, or about all of Puerto Rico, etc, is a great tactic, because it makes people who value civility upset. And that is the goal. See, it’s good to bring nastiness into our discourse, because it pisses off the right people.

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    5. Men can breast feed when given the hormones that women have. That is a simple matter of anatomy. Men don't breast feed in our culture because they mostly don't want to. Making those facts into politics is ridiculous.

      I have always wondered why men put up with the medically unnecessary procedure of circumcision. They lop off a male child's body part as part of a religious and superstitious ritual (and because fathers and sons want to look alike in the shower). But conservatives have invented the idea that any confused teens anywhere are being surgically modified, without evidence of any kind. And then they make that part of politics too, not a medical matter, when it should be between child, parent and doctor, not society's business. That is abnormal, in my opinion. And then there is abortion, a procedure that has been practiced since time began, is in the Bible (not proscribed), and again should be between a woman and her doctor, because most often there is a medical problem involved in a pregnancy that is wanted. But conservatives invented the idea that women engaged in recreational sex (with who?) have abortions out of convenience (they are not convenient) and have made it a public and political matter.

      Conservatives hold superstitious beliefs, make up lies without evidence, engage in hate toward those who are different (including those with different beliefs) and engage in violence to achieve their goals (which are often to interfere in other people's lives). They are nasty people and don't deserve the respect accorded them, which may be a big part of the problem. We should have perhaps confronted the conservatives more often about their wrong-headed nonsense at the start, and not segregated them (also self-segregation) and left them alone to fester in their own darkness. We cannot have half our society living in the dark ages while the other half does all the work of advancing society and our standard of living. I know conservatives do not want to be part of the modern world, but why should they be allowed to sponge off the rest of us any longer?

      Trump is only the symptom of this larger problem of conservative backwardness, which Somerby has repeatedly pointed out (while intermittently quoting sacred Homer). It is time for conservatives to grow up and shoulder the weight of maintaining our culture and society, especially with the prospect of global warming on the horizon. Humoring them is a luxury we cannot afford.

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    6. So what? Most cosmetic surgery is women trying to appeal to men. Again, so what? Are you against surgery?

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    7. Against the Orange turd lying about taking children out of school for transgender surgery and idiots piling on uninformed transgender abuse in response. What the he'll is wrong with people trusting a lying POS and felon?

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  9. BRZEZINSKI gets the award for lack of self-awareness. Did she really not notice that Harris’s campaign is based on hatred of Trump?

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    1. Sorry. that comment was supposed to include the quote about “so many people rallying about hate”

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    2. Pointing out that Trump is a fascist who would like to end democracy, who is mentally ill, and lies with every breath is simply a statement of fact, David. If that makes someone hate Trump, well, facts like that can cause that. On the other hand, these facts make right wingers like yourself live him. Different strokes, etc.

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    3. Love (not live)

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    4. Gee, what is Trump’s campaign based on, David:

      “ The whole party [Democrats]— a bunch of degenerates,” he [Radio host Sid Rosenberg] added. “Jew-haters and lowlifes, every one of them.”

      That’s a good way to cross the aisle.

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    5. David: Even if one were to stipulate that Harris' campaign is based on "hatred of Trump", which is your perspective, and nothing that Harris ever said, it is still qualitatively different than the hate that Trump spews. Can you spot the difference? That's your homework assignment for today.
      (Hint: demonizing swaths of people based on their immigration status/ethnicity is different that disparaging a single individual. Ponder this for a bit).

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    6. You have a point, Ilya. I acknowledge the difference.

      However, many Harris supporters HAVE demonized a whole swath of people, namely Trump supporters. Some of them comment on this blog.

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    7. And they are demons, so what’re you gonna do?

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    8. Fake news, nobody is demonizing Trump supporters, whatever that is supposed to mean. David can't back up his claim, which 11:35 already debunked, since 11:35 well knew the weak sauce David was going to offer up.

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    9. David: I don't want to go into the weeds arguing about what some of millions and millions of supporters might say. Myself, I have always said: hate the Trump, love the Trump voter. The fact remains that Trump's campaign is squarely based on hate. That's the essence of Trump.
      1. Personal insults of Harris.
      2. Claims that Haitian immigrants are eating pets.
      3. Poisoning the blood...genetically predisposed to murder.
      4. Leftist lunatics, e.g. Adam Schiff, which need to be handled by force.
      ....the list goes on and on and on. No amount of sophistry and twisting in the wind can change the fact Trump is a deeply disturbed person.

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  10. The article has me convinced that some disgusting things were said that were entirely inappropriate. But l did appreciate seeing the “low life Jew-HATERS” being cursed out, rather than cursing out the Jews. At least these repulsive comedians are on my side.

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    1. The guy said all Democrats were Jew haters and lowlifes, David. All.

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    2. Don't knock pushing Jews into cattle cars, until you tried it.

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    3. According to Dickhead in Cal, if you express any support for the Palestinians, that makes you a Jew hater.

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    4. @12:39 - In Chicago, an Islamic illegal immigrant yelling "allahu ackbar" shot a Jew multiple times. The victim is in critical condition. Apparently he was attacked simply because he was Jewish.

      How strongly will Kamala denounce this attack? Will she mention it at all? I doubt it, because she wants the Islamic vote and the illegal immigrant vote.

      Or, she might take the disgusting compromise of simultaneously condemning antisemitism and Islamophobia, even though there was no Islamophobia in this event

      Would she behave differently if Jew tried to assassinate a Muslim? Probably.

      https://x.com/karol/status/1850967392031293928?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1850967392031293928%7Ctwgr%5Eb7ac4f6eab181e84a1f2c6ce18ef28191c6c8cbe%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Finstapundit.com%2F680568%2F

      https://www.jpost.com/diaspora/article-826386

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    5. Um, some "jews" have indeed gone about the business of murdering 40k+ Muslims, half of whom were children, just in the past year.

      What are you on about?

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    6. Still waiting for your reply, Dickhead.

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      October 27, 2024 at 8:39 AM

      Dickhead in Cal must have forgotten about the massacre at the Tree of Life synagogue in Pittsburgh that happened under Bid Daddy's personal protection on October 27, 2018.

      What motivated Robert Bowers, the perpetrator of this act of hate?

      ...... He claimed Jews were aiding members of Central American caravans moving toward the United States border and referred to those migrants as "invaders".[14] Shortly before the attack, he posted on Gab that "HIAS likes to bring invaders in that kill our people. I can't sit by and watch my people get slaughtered. Screw your optics, I'm going in."[18][91][63] According to the Southern Poverty Law Center, "the mention of 'optics' references a disagreement that has raged within the white nationalist movement since the Unite the Right rally in 2017 about how best to get their message across to the general public".[92]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pittsburgh_synagogue_shooting

      I wonder where Bowers got the idea about the caravans invading our country.

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    7. @8:39 Bowers probably go that idea from reading the news
      10-27-24 New Migrant Caravan Approaching US-Mexico Border
      12-26-23 What to know about the migrant caravan heading to the US
      10-25-2018 Migrant caravan presses north toward US border


      And, a great many more links via a search engine.

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    8. BTW @3:50 of course I was horrified at the murders at the Tree of Life Synagogue. Some of the victims were friends of my friends.

      Question: When Kamala Harris falsely accuses Israeli Jews of genocide, don't you you think that tends to encourage attacks on Jewish Americans?

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    9. She doesn’t do that.

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    10. Some of the victims were friends of my friends.

      Sure, Forrest Gump.

      You didn't say one fucking word about Trump's inflammatory extremist rhetoric. Those newspaper reports didn't say anything about our country being invaded. That was your hero's hateful rhetoric. But it sounds to me like you think that mass killer was acting rationally.

      But you can't trace that man shooting up that synagogue to trump's vile rhetoric, nor can you trace that massacre at the Latino Walmart in El Paso, Texas, to trump's inflammatory ignorant rhetoric. Just doesn't click for you.

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    11. And fuck you while I am at it, Dickhead. Harris never said Israeli Jews were committing genocide, you lying bastard.

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    12. Question for you, Dickhead in Cal>
      What did you think of the speaker at the Bund Rally at MSG yesterday saying we shouldn't be sending our money to support Israel or the Palestinians, which was greeted by loud applause. What the fuck, Dickhead? That was your Nuremberg Rally, why would he fuck it up like that?

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    13. Why would correctly pointing out that Israel is engaging in a genocide (often live streamed by the IDF with big happy grins on their face) be an issue? There is broad international consensus for sanctioning Israel for its genocidal actions in Gaza.

      David are you even aware that a number of the Jews killed on 10/7 were killed by Israelis (due in part to deploying the so called Hannibal Protocol)?

      Fox News fear mongering about immigrants is nothing new, but it is comical how most of those headlines David cites are post the attack, because he clearly only cares about the event to the extent that he can weaponize it.

      Immigrants have a lower crime rate than native born citizens, and undocumented immigrants have a much lower crime rate.

      I used to live in Pittsburgh and attended Tree of Life. Squirrel Hill is a great neighborhood, loved swimming at the JCC there. Tree of Life had mostly your typical liberal Jews that found Israel's treatment of Palestinians distasteful, nothing like David. In fact I can accept that David was horrified, but he did not have any friends of friends there, that is just an ugly attempt to gain credibility. What a ghoul.

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    14. @4:55 See
      Kamala Harris Repeats Claim Israel Blocking Aid From Entering Northern Gaza Contradicted by UN, Israeli Data
      https://www.algemeiner.com/2024/10/14/kamala-harris-repeats-claim-israel-blocking-aid-entering-northern-gaza-contradicted-un-israeli-data/

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    15. @3:30 Hamas deserves the blame for the deaths of Muslims including children. Here's why. Hamas made a cowardly attack on over a thousand civilians attending a music festival. Rape, murder, burning babies, kidnapping. Obviously this act would generate a counter-attack by Israel. Meanwhile, Hamas used the Palestinians as human shields. They intentionally put military units in civilian areas.

      On responding, Israel has gone to extraordinary lengths to protect Palestinian civilians. Relative to the size of the conflict there have been a recored low number of civilian deaths.

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    16. "At least these repulsive comedians are on my side."

      Well. There it is.

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    17. In re David's linked story, it says this:
      "The Democratic presidential nominee was referring to a recent report produced by the UN World Food Program (WFP) claiming that, due to Israeli military actions, nearly all food distribution points in northern Gaza have been shut down since Oct. 1. The report said that communities in northern Gaza were left with dwindling supplies and on the brink of total starvation."

      The claim that Harris has accused Israel of genocide appears nowhere in the story.

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    18. Allegedly depriving a whole people of food amounts to something like genocide. But, you are technically correct Quaker.

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    19. You seem to have sent the video of Israeli settlers destroying a food shipment right down the memory hole. You remember that, don't you?

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    20. And there's nothing "technical" about it. You said she made accusations of genocide and backed it up with a story that doesn't provide any evidence.

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    21. Quaker -- It's my understanding that Hamas takes a large portion or most of the food that's donated to the Palestinians.

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    22. "It's my understanding" is DICspeak for "I read it on a far right wing outlet and haven't bothered to fact check it since it supports my chosen narrative.

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    23. The US public has been largely shielded from the depravity of what has happened to Palestinians in Gaza. We are rarely shown images of them. Photos of starving children there are as horrific as any taken of the living at Auschwitz. The role of the Israelis in this tragedy has been condemned by multiple human rights groups and the UN:
      https://www.outlookindia.com/international/death-displacement-starvation-what-is-happening-in-north-gaza

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    24. Unfortunately, the Israeli government is preventing foreign press independent access to cover the devastation in Gaza.

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  11. Surely, there must be an equivalent example of racist/bigoted jokes at a Harris rally? No? Well, here’s one:

    “ A redneck, his wife and teenage daughter walk into a restaurant. The waitress asks, "Table for two?".

    See, that’s funny, and no one, NO ONE, no right winger would be offended if that was told at a Harris rally. Amirite?

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    1. Was it or wasn't it told? What's with the 'if'?

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  12. "Why'd the illegal immigrant cross the border?"

    "To get a job from someone who will vote for Donald Trump on November 5th."

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  13. Donald Trump and his minions spew this kind of crap every minute of every day, but no one is supposed to be offended by it else they are a snowflake, AND it supposedly helps his campaign (we are told). Hillary Clinton says “deplorable” one time and the entire media and right wing stagger to their fainting couches and declare her the vilest human being who ever lived.

    This is the world we live in. Must it be thus?

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  14. No one is saying Right-wingers shouldn't go fuck themselves.
    Anyone who says there is, is lying to you.

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  15. My husband says when I comment I should use a nym, but because I am woke it must be a pronym.

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