FRIDAY, NOVEMBER 29, 2024
There is no cure for nutcase: To many observers in Red America, the former candidate was drunk once again. She was drunk, or maybe on drugs.
Within the realm of American journalism, we don't have a language for discussing such statements. More on that problem below.
Candidate Harris was drunk again, or possibly she was stoned! On the plains outside sacred Troy, within the ranks of Red America, so an array of tribunes said or suggested.
They did so everywhere from the Fox News Channel on down.
Within our journalistic culture, there is no language for describing such people. More on that shortfall below—but first, let's consider Elon Musk's latest remarkable threat against the established order.
Mediaite reports the threat in the manner shown below. Is "something wrong with" Elon Musk? Do we even have a language which lets us explore such questions?
CNN Anchor Warns Americans Not to ‘Dismiss’ As ‘Bluster’ Elon Musk’s Latest Threat
CNN anchor and chief national security analyst Jim Sciutto warned on Thursday that Americans should not “dismiss” as “bluster” Elon Musk’s threat of the death penalty against Alexander Vindman, a key witness during Donald Trump’s first impeachment trial.
Musk wrote on X Wednesday, “Vindman is on the payroll of Ukrainian oligarchs and has committed treason against the United States, for which he will pay the appropriate penalty.” Vindman, a retired U.S. Army lieutenant colonel who worked at the National Security Council during Trump’s first term, has not been investigated or tried for treason, an offense that carries up to the death penalty.
[...]
Russian pro-democracy activist Garry Kasparov also sounded the alarm on Musk’s threat, writing, “America, this is your next four years, or longer. Oligarchs protected by Trump accusing former public officials of the gravest crimes without evidence or even pretense to provide any. Trial by social media, which of course is owned by said oligarch. Russia in the Wild West 90s.”
Thus spoke Elon Musk, who seems to live in some other world.
Musk is said to the world's richest person. Colloquially, he also seems to be a genuine, stone-cold nutcase. That said, our journalism lacks a language for making such observations. More on that linguistic shortcoming below.
Musk has now seemed to suggest that Alexander Vinman should be put to death. So it goes with the type of nutcase under discussion here.
In our view, Musk qualified as the nuttiest major player over the Thanksgiving break. Not too far behind was Donald J. Trump, presenting an unusual video sugarplum at his Truth Social site.
Newsweek offered a full report. You can see the incoming president's peculiar video there:
Trump Shares Edited Thanksgiving Video of Himself Popping Out of a Turkey
President-elect Donald Trump shared an edited—and bizarre—video that appeared to show him popping out of a turkey on Thanksgiving while dancing to The Village People's Y.M.C.A.
The clip is an edited version of a famous scene from the movie National Lampoon's Christmas Vacation...
Newsweek was willing to use the word "bizarre." Earlier, the incoming president had offered a "Happy Thanksgiving" post, whose text we posted yesterday:
TRUMP (11/27/24): Happy Thanksgiving to all, including to the Radical Left Lunatics who have worked so hard to destroy our Country, but who have miserably failed, and will always fail, because their ideas and policies are so hopelessly bad that the great people of our Nation just gave a landslide victory to those who want to MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN!
The incoming president extended his holiday wishes to everyone, even to the radical lunatics who want to destroy the country.
Judged by any traditional standard, that was strange behavior. Of course, so was the systemwide claim that Vice President Harris must have been drunk again, this time when she recorded a short message on videotape.
Yesterday, we said we'd tell you about the "drunk" claim, and so we'll make ourselves do it.
Last Tuesday, Harris recorded a brief video message in which, among other things, she offered this traditional thought:
HARRIS (11/26/24): As you heard we say many times, we like hard work...And in doing our work, we will remain committed and intentional about building community—building coalitions, reminding people that we all have so much more in common that what separates us.
We all have so much more in common!
In our experience, the theme that Harris must have been drunk arrived during the 7 o'clock hour on Wednesday night, on The Ingraham Angle. GOPAC Chairman David Avella spoke with guest host Brian Kilmeade:
AVELLA (11/27/24): Let's start with that video for a second, Brian. When you produce a video like she did last night and put out, and then one of the number-one search results on the Internet today is "Kamala drunk," you're not getting the intended results that you were hoping for.
KILMEADE: Ha ha ha ha ha.
Let's be totally fair. Avella wasn't calling her "drunk!" He was merely noting the fact that other people—people on the Internet—seemed to be doing that.
As we've noted, the idea that Harris is constantly drunk or on drugs was a repeated theme on the Fox News Channel during the White House campaign.
(Sexual insults were also common. Lordly orgs like the New York time choose to avert their gaze from such trivial matters.)
At any rate, Avella wasn't making that claim himself! He was merely suggesting that other people seemed to have some such idea.
Kilmeade enjoyed a good laugh. Three hours later, a D-list comedian went there again, this time on the Gutfeld! program:
DYE (11/27/24): I hesitate to make fun of Harris because I love drunk ladies.
PANEL: [Group laughter, especially Kat Timpf]
AUDIENCE: [Applause]
So it went on the Gutfeld! show, with Tom Shillue as guest host.
To his credit, Avella's statement was technically accurate. Online, some of Red America's leading organs were pushing the idea that Harris must have been drunk all over again when she created that brief bit of videotape.
For an instructive display of moral and intellectual breakdown, we'll suggest that you review the slippery treatment this topic received at the gruesome Western Journal, in a report which appeared under this headline:
Watch: Speculation About Kamala Being Drunk Explodes When Video to Her Voters Goes Horribly Wrong
In fairness, such speculation did explode in regions of Red America. For better or worse, The Western Journal peddles this motto: EQUIPPING READERS WITH THE TRUTH.
At any rate, Vice President Harris was drunk this week, and Musk was seeking the ultimate price. Elon Musk seems to be a genuine nutcase, but our highly primitive high-end journalism has no language for discussing such discomfiting states of affairs.
Then again, there was Joy Reid's screed at the end of her show Wednesday night. It seems that Reid's remarks may have been triggered by a sardonic remark by Bill Maher.
Red America is being told about Reid's presentation; Blue America, not so much! They haven't even posted the video at the ReidOut site!
We Blues! We've long been inclined to earn our way out—but how did we ever manage to lose, even if narrowly, to a guy like Candidate Trump?
We did so in an assortment of ways. Given the ways we humans are built, we're often unable to see such facts about ourselves, and we're likely to keep it up.
Harris was indeed speaking something like a drunk. But it’s wrong to call the VP drunk simply on that account. It’s also wrong to call Trump crazy because of his way of speaking. And it was wrong to call President Ford clumsy because he looked like a football lineman. Unfortunately once a meme gets established it persists.
ReplyDeleteYou don’t accept Somerby’s characterization of Trump? Because, according to our host, the media did not talk about Trump being crazy. That was…Somerby saying that about Trump. So what meme are you talking about?
DeleteHarris was not drunk. Nor does she cackle when she laughs. The election is over. You can stop lying.
DeleteYou can’t just turn sexism off like a switch.
DeleteTrue, although feminists can turn off access to sex like a switch.
DeletePoor Republicans, in a hilarious self own, turning themselves into a cohort of incels. I’m loving it.
"Harris was indeed speaking something like a drunk."
DeleteNo.
Live by the sword, perish by the sword.
ReplyDeleteYou have claimed that the Media has a duty to explore whether Donald Trump is a clinical psychopath on the basis of how he appears on teevee. (Trump does appear sometimes to display symptoms of hypomania, but that syndrome's name has never appeared in your blogposts that I know of.) And, then you complain because some Media choose to speculate on why the Vice-President has frequently appeared to be drunk in public appearances. Maybe, they speculate because she frequently appears to be drunk.
Just as Biden displays symptoms of advanced Parkinson's Disease, prompting partisan speculation on his advancing senility. But, you seem remarkably shy about criticizing the Media for pretending Biden as "sharp as a tack" for many months when he certainly was nothing of the sort and still isn't.
But is he complaining that “some Media choose to speculate on why the Vice-President has frequently appeared to be drunk in public appearances?” Perhaps his real complaint is that this kind of speculation goes unremarked by “blue media.”
DeleteFox is not media. It is a propaganda mill.
DeleteIt’s remarked upon quite a bit, primarily due to the democratization of media, which Somerby (himself an engager) pretends is some kind of nefarious force.
DeleteThis blog has nothing on offer other than insight into Somerby’s and his cadre of fanboys/trolls’ wounded lost souls.
Corporate media has lost a great deal of its influence, and it’s the “democratization of media” that may eventually save us, but Somerby keeps acting as though corporate, mainstream media holds the key to our survival.
DeleteThis is the same media that roughly 6 years ago made very little effort to highlight and enlighten the American public about the circumstances leading to Trump's unscheduled visit on a Saturday to Walter Reed for a dementia test, and who rolled over passively when Trump refused to disclose his medical records. Which include two such tests, the results of which are anybody's guess. So, yeah, the media failed.
DeleteRemarks from the president elect and his handpicked richest-man-in-the-world oligarch funder/“government efficiency” czar (including the threat of prosecution of political undesirables) are juxtaposed here with a personal opinion of Joy Reid, who has no government position or function. The asymmetry of this should at least be noted.
ReplyDeleteAgree, but to be fair, Somerby is a very shallow and poor thinker.
DeleteRecognizing asymmetry would cause the Republican right wing house of cards to crumble, something they are aware of, so they will never, ever do it.
DeleteYawn.
ReplyDeleteDidn’t bother reading the post, since Somerby can’t be bothered with credible, coherent evidence; just came to read the lunatic comments from the fanboys/trolls for a laugh as I sip my coffee to get my day going. As my coffee perks me up I can take in the slow motion death of this miserable right wing blog.
Noting that Timpf laughed doesn’t excuse Dye — it makes Timpf less. Somerby is hinting that not all women are feminists as if that were a blot on feminism.
ReplyDeleteSometimes Somerby disparages being misleading while being technically accurate, sometimes not. It all depends on what better supports his agenda, which is to manufacture ignorance.
ReplyDeleteTypical of Republicans, lacking integrity is a feature, not a bug.
Somerby’s agenda is to manufacture ignorance of what, exactly?
DeleteAnd why won’t you answer this question?
Ignorance is a condition, of being unaware and uniformed.
DeleteIt is well understood, particularly by right wingers, that spreading ignorance is one of the more effective ways of gaining power. From religious organizations to fascists to Trump, they all use it.
As Trump says with glee “I love the poorly educated”.
You do realize that’s not an answer, don’t you?
DeleteWhat PP means, 12:34, is your answer was too on the nose.
DeletePP unintentionally bringing hilarity, daily. Much obliged.
You surely understand, PP, that being a Republican is different from being Jewish or black? “Republican” implies a set of choices and strategies to obtain political power.
DeleteSurely you understand, anonymous person, that characterizing an entire group containing scores of millions of people as possessing a character flaw such as “lacking integrity” satisfies the criteria for being labeled as “bigoted.”
DeletePP, your question was credibly answered, you just feel emotional discomfort from the answer and have no way of coping with your condition.
DeleteBigotry has to do with oppressive intolerance coming from prejudice; so no, accurately describing Republicans does not "satisfy the criteria" of being bigoted (and neither does criticism of Republicans).
Your ignorance on such basic matters is unsurprising considering your blind loyalty to Somerby, thus proving the point of the earlier commenters.
Ah, the first defense made by all bigots throughout time: “But it’s true!”
DeleteAnd the second defense, of course, is to cast aspersions as a diversion.
DeleteNo that's not the defense, you apparently have lost the ability to comprehend what you read.
Delete"Aspersion" has to do with false accusations, none were made with reference to you or Somerby or Republicans, so it turns out, you are the one "casting aspersions".
Again, you would not be suffering from all this ignorance, if you did not adhere to Somerby's nonsense so devotedly.
That’s just a remix of defenses one and two. Boring.
DeleteLet me recap your defenses for you :
Delete“Saying Republicans lack integrity is not bigoted because it’s true that Republicans lack integrity. And PP is emotionally crippled, ignorant, and unable to read.”
Anything to add, or does that sum it up?
PP - My advice would be to run, don't walk, from this comment section. The commenter with whom you are dialoguing is not sincere or impartial. They were swallowed whole by groupthink a long time ago and place conformity over genuine engagement 100% of the time. It's a form of trolling. They are acting as enforcers to their own conformity and groupthink.
DeleteTheir tactics resemble those used by cults to maintain ideological control. (suppressing dissent, marginalizing critics, and creating a culture of conformity through fear, mockery, and moral righteousness.)
It's sad but there is nothing you can do about it. Trying to engage with them will only bring you down. 100% of the time. This medium doesn't lend itself to meaningful dialogue and is perfect for enforcing social conformity through sarcasm and gaslighting as they do here.
2:29 - What you say is so, so true. So true, in fact, that I’m going to take your advice. Thanks! And goodbye!
DeletePeace. Good effort but staying will destroy you, imo. I'm out too.
DeleteAnonymouse 2:29pm, I understand and fully appreciate what you’ve said. That Bob is the target of an organized and fanatical coven is obvious. I don’t know if you’ve been a part of that and are now feeling dominated and suppressed by their militancy, however, try to stay. By stepping back from their organization, and being yourself, you’ll see how unserious they are as to being persuasive or effective. It will then be impossible for you to take anonymices seriously.
DeleteYou and PP should stick around.
The consternation coming from the fanboys/trolls is just hilarious.
DeletePP, Cecelia, keep the nonsense coming.
Yes PP, you completely misunderstand the straightforward points in the comments that have you so apoplectic. But don't worry, the rest of us get it and agree: yes, you are ignorant, yes Republicans lack integrity. Get over it already, or not, it is fun to watch y'all squirm.
Anonymouse 4:05pm, I think you’ve dismayed two of your fellow liberals with your militancy and level of hatred. That naturally ticks off normal human beings as to your treatment of Bob, and possibly other people. However, you don’t bother me in any way other than that. If fact, you make me feel better about myself and my party almost every day.
DeleteCool story.
DeleteDo you always self own like this?
Anonymouse 4:22pm, “self own” is pretty ironic considering that today, anonymices have been denounced by two of their fellow liberals.
DeleteI’m not the person PP was attacking, but certainly Somerby’s repeating that Harris was drunk manufactures ignorance about her sobriety and thereby her competence as a candidate. Trump always sounds more drunk than Harris.
DeletePP reduces saying something is typical of a group to bigotry but actually judging an individual based on membership in a group (not theor own characteristics) is bigotry. Generalizations are not bigotry until you apply them to peoplr regardless of their actual traits. PP is manufacturing confusion about stereotyping, typical of Republicans.
DeleteAnonymouse 4:25pm, that’s not what Bob was doing and you know that. The bs device of saying that blogging on recent issues, news, public discussion, and controversies is tantamount to spreading rumors is as fatuous as anonymices can get. And that’s exponentially fatuous.
DeleteIf a large group of people displays intolerance it is not bigotry to say so.
DeleteAnonymousec4:59pm, oh, yeah. “All those people in that other political party are intolerant” is Socratic.
DeleteIf intolerance can be measured and you find out they are intolerant, it is not bigotry to say so.
DeleteUnclear what you mean by “Socratic”.
Anonymouse 5:26pm, you don’t need to work that hard, you can merely watch Joy Reid.
DeleteAh, yes. Joy Reid is the current hate object for Fox viewers. They must be fed a constant diet of liberal hate objects to prove to them how superior they are and how uniform liberal opinion is. Congratulations to Somerby, once again, for promoting this right wing bullshit that Cecelia enthusiastically parrots.
DeleteAnonymouse 6:33p, I don’t hate Reid, I think what she said as to politics and families is dumb as dirt and also ripe for derision via the turkey who popped out of the turkey. I had to tell Bob that the meme was in response to Reid and here are trying to get yourself out of the woods and back on track by blaming Somerby.
DeleteSomerby is the one who says that her comments are why the “blues” have earned their way out. He is telling us that her comments were repeated on right wing media. They were repeated there because right wing media constantly provides its audience with hate objects. Quit playing dumb and innocent, Cecelia.
DeleteAnonymouse 7:06pm, Reid’s controversial comments were repeated all over internet. Video of her remarks was all over X and posted by people of both parties. But you’re claiming Bob made it an issue?
DeleteWhat does earn their way out mean?
DeleteAvella is sliming Harris, not reporting on the internet. He is responsible for the slur he repeated.
ReplyDeleteI don’t recall Somerby mentioning it, but Harris spent a good deal of effort on trying to appeal to Republicans, even campaigning with Cheney and accepting Republican endorsements. You can debate whether this was a good strategy, but it stands in stark contrast to Trump, and undermines Somerby’s idea that Democrats are uniquely represented by Reid’s less than sympathetic post-election take on MAGA.
ReplyDeleteIn fact, the idea that no liberal anywhere, including Reid or even random commenters to Kevin drum’s blog should ever express disdain for Republicans comes close to advocating censorship of liberal opinion, at a time when Republican attacks and demonization of Democrats and liberals has reached epic, grotesque, and baroque proportions.
Excellent point.
DeleteI’m neutral on that strategy, I seriously doubt that it was significantly responsible for how many Dem voters stayed home (Biden incorporated a fairly similar strategy in 2020 and won handily).
Having said that, it was a blunder for Harris’ campaign to not more strongly push the notion of meeting the material needs of Americans; she started her campaign that way, but got dragged for it and seemed to wither a bit from the criticism.
It was a bigger blunder for voters not to support Harris. We tried to warn them but they didn’t listen. Now they will suffer for it.
DeleteAnonymices, just go ahead and call everyone racists as you usually do.
DeleteYou know you want to.
No incumbent is re-elected in the face of increased prices and the decision by Harris to stay in step with Biden and not distinguish herself in the face of an opposition that played her as the decision maker for Biden's administration was her big mistake. That and remaining a black female. You can pretend all you want Cecelia, but race and gender mattered as well.
DeleteIt’s time Dems stop taking lessons from Republicans and right wingers like Somerby.
ReplyDeleteThey do not have our interest in mind. Duh.
Here are the media sources Robt Reich says he relies on for better reporting:
ReplyDelete“Here are the sources I currently rely on for the truth: The Guardian, Democracy Now, Business Insider, The New Yorker, The American Prospect, Americans for Tax Fairness, The Economic Policy Institute, The Center on Budget and Policy Priorities, ProPublica, Labor Notes, The Lever, Popular Information, Heather Cox Richardson, and, of course, this Substack.”
Hillary should have stuck with Reich, he’s way cooler than Bill, and a much better person too.
DeleteCould have saved this country some misery as one can draw a line from Bill Clinton’s neoliberalism and Third Way electoral politics to Trump’s version of the Republican Party.
No one blames the Clintons for Trump.
DeleteWhere is Somerby’s promised list of reasons why a reasonable person might have voted for Trump? Still waiting.
ReplyDeleteAustralia bans access to social media for kids, they may be onto something.
ReplyDeleteThey’re not opposed to the democratization of media, they just want to regulate it in a way that benefits society.
Australia also (essentially) banned guns, and it worked!
Australia also banned right wing grifter Candace Owens (and so did New Zealand).
Indeed, Australia seems to be onto something, endorsing regulations that improve their society. Huh! Who knew?
After the wildfires, the Australians voted against the candidates endorsed by Murdoch's media, which constitutes over 75% of printed "news" there. They believed the climatologists who said something to the effect that climate change increased to risk of wildfires by 25% or so. Subsequently, Murdoch's media did a 360 degree pivot from denial to activism, calling for zero emissions in a certain time frame, as I recall, by 2050.
DeleteThe latent homosexuality/bisexuality so prevalent among Republicans is fueling their homophobia, and much of their anger and bitterness that torments our society.
ReplyDeleteHomosexuality/bisexuality is normal and natural.
MTG (is she a plant?) recently tweeted that the investigation into Gaetz’s unethical sexual predation is just the tip of the iceberg for what’s been going on with Republicans behind closed doors.
Turns out the party of “family values” is anything but.
By the way, is Musk’s allegation true or false? Was Vindman on the payroll of Ukrainian oligarchs? What does the evidence show?
ReplyDeleteThere is no credible evidence for Musk's claim.
DeleteMusk was merely engaging with an emotional reaction to Vindman recently going on a news outlet and citing reports about Musk's ongoing connection with Putin and the risk that poses to America.
Others have seen in the criticism of Vindman, antisemitism.
Musk made it up, David.
DeleteWho isn't on the payroll of Ukrainian oligarchs these days? They got $100 billion of American taxpayers' money; surely more than enough to buy everyone in DC.
DeleteOnce a Dickhead, always a Dickhead in Cal.
DeleteBoth Republicans and Dems voted to fund aid to Ukraine. Much of that is just sending them old military equipment (ie an accounting markdown) that was going to be destroyed anyway, and humanitarian aid.
DeleteIt is a drop in the bucket, considering our debt, about one quarter of which comes solely from Trump's first term (amazing achievement in only four years), and well worth that drop in the bucket, as we have seen the strengthening of NATO and the weakening of Putin/Russia, a right wing fascistic country with imperial inclinations.
We will have to see how much Trump reverses these gains, since he and many in his admin as puppets of Putin.
The problem with Musk is his willingness to engage in dishonest rhetoric, whether it be spreading easily debunked lies on his website meant to Iinfluence an election, or dangerously targeting a serviceman with garbage posts, as he did with Vindman. These are not the actions of an adult who holds himself accountable, and bear resemblance to the kind of dishonest rants Trump has spewed. He has a history of illicit drugs and erratic behaviors that have alarmed the Tesla board. He has been self described as bipolar and on the spectrum. Nobody elected him to anything. As long as he feels comfortable targeting a serviceman as a traitor without justification it doesn't really matter whether he is mentally ill, a narcissistic bullshit artist, or impaired by drugs , or all three. He should be held accountable and I hope Vindman responds appropriately.
DeleteThomas Sowell warned us that Trump is unfit to be president.
ReplyDeleteWe should have heeded his wisdom.
Brace yourself, Bob. Trump frequently shares videos and memes that people make about him. This one is a spoof of the family turkey dinner scene in National Lampoon’s Christmas Vacation. The dance Trump often does and is doing in the vid has gone viral too.
ReplyDeletehttps://www.forbes.com/sites/petersuciu/2024/11/19/trump-dance-goes-viral-as-sports-stars-mimic-president-elect/
Darned if Comma La did not look intoxicated in that video.. Perhaps she wasn’t, maybe exhausted from spreading the wealth, but the DNC has to know how it looks. It’ makes it clear that her unrehearsed gobbledygook and demeanor while stone cold sober is why she was so cloistered from the media and managed to the nines in the first place.
Republicans seem to call someone drunk if they are smiling. Odd.
DeleteAnonymouse 5:02pm, yeah, that was why…
DeleteSaying something mean about Harris doesn’t make it true. And why? Trump won, so this is gratuitous. Do Republicans go on hating and hating just for fun? What kind of people does that make you?
DeleteAnonymouse 5:23pm, no, saying something about anyone doesn’t make it automatically true.
DeleteThe DNC released a video of Comma La that for whatever reason, played into every trope about her. She was the candidate that they ran, they were not ignorant as to those tropes. They had battled them during the campaign.
They’re done with her.
Cecelia, with her mic drop bullshit, omniscient as to the DNC. Spare us your bonehead observations.
DeleteAnonymouse 6:24pm, this is a comment board. I’m not sparing you anything. What you can do is see my name (helpfully in green) and skip my posts. No one is forcing you to read them.
DeleteI have a verified nym, so I have facilitated that for you. You’re welcome.
The only contributor here who identifies himself in the comments section authentically is Bruce Wilder, an economist. All others with their cute nyms are unidentified in any authentic manner, including the thing that calls itself Cecelia.
Delete"Red America is being told about Reid's presentation; Blue America, not so much!"
ReplyDeleteI couldn't say if Our Host is right about this or not. I can say with certainty that the readers of TDH are not being told about Reid's "screed."
Reid said what she said to Blue American.
DeleteReid absolutely dominated the MSNBC panel on election night.
Reid’s commentary on ditching family members for the crime of heretical politics is satirized by Trump popping out of the turkey and causing holiday havoc…
DeleteGot to admit, Trump dividing our families is pretty funny.
DeleteAnonymouse 4:21pm, Oh Joy Reid let it all hang out.
DeleteThat makes no sense at all.
DeleteAnonymouse 5:20pm, Anonymouse 4:21pm was sarcastically replying to my 4:02pm statement about Reid. Reid is the person who was seriously advocating familia estrangement due to political differences. Trump was making fun of her.
DeleteNews flash: family estrangement due to politics has been happening for a long time, especially with the advent of Trump. No one can fathom voting for a lying sociopath, and yet the estrangement has largely been driven by Trump supporters, and not the other way round.
DeleteTrump and Republicans have said far worse, when they call liberals “evil” or “pedophiles”. You think that might drive a wedge between families? So it’s a ridiculous false equivalence to claim, as Somerby does, that Reid’s comments were somehow equivalent to Trump’s or Musk’s, and that her comments are why the “blues” have “earned their way out”, to return to Somerby’s point.
Anonymouse 6:08pm, who argued that estrangement via politics is new? News flash- you troll a Democratic blogger who bemoans that fact even as you call him a Putin puppet for caring and as you launch into AI odes to political estrangement.
DeleteThere are some crazy Republicans with some idiotic fantasies. However, they reserve such flights of fantasy for yiur politicians and your best and brightest donors and champions.
On the other hand, anonymices- who are the first to tell everyone that they are highly educated and knowledgeable- hate their political contrarians down to the restaurant busboy.
That’s what Joy advocates. You own her.
You’re worried about anonymous commenters to an obscure political blog? I’d say your priorities are skewed.
DeleteNo one “owns” joy Reid. She speaks her mind. Do you “own” Alex Jones? Or Nick Fuentes? If not, then shut the fuck up.
Anonymouse 6:41pm, you’ve been sitting here simultaneously minimizing and defending Reid’s stand on estrangement. Now both Reid’s stand and Bob’s take on things are no big deals?
DeleteGreat. Then why are running your mouth about them?
I see you running your mouth pretty regularly here, Cecelia. Who is defending her stand? I’m defending her right to take that stand. Perhaps you’re too limited to understand the difference.
DeleteI am transgender, well, hey howdy, defend Reid all you wish. As I said, in doing so, you own her.
DeleteIt doesn’t work that way. Does Somerby own Roy Moore? He defended him, and convicted rapist Brock Turner.
DeleteAnonymouse 10:27pm, yes, in the sense that Somerby thinks that a particular line of criticism toward Moore was zhuzhed to the point of being contrived. He also felt that Brock Turner was made complicit for his actions while stupid drunk, in the way that Chanel Miller was not..
DeleteHowever, Bob’s focus was media malfeasance via narrative. Bob doesn’t let the media off the hook based upon the politics in question. That’s why you hate him.
ReplyDelete"Musk is said to the world's richest person. Colloquially, he also seems to be a genuine, stone-cold nutcase."
Yay, yay, yay, the young people these days! Eh, Bob?
I blame their parents.
Indeed, you have uncovered a foundational truth of our universe: cause and effect.
DeleteIs Musk a nut? Of course not.
ReplyDeleteNuts are people who are not in tune with reality. In order to be successful in a competitive business, one must be quite in tune with reality. Given Musk's incredible successes in a variety of fields, one could make the argument that Musk is the sanest person on the planet.
No, he really is a nut. Having money doesn’t change that. Look how nutty Howard Hughes became!
DeleteOr George Soros.
DeleteTrump’s pick for Treasury Sec is a Soros protege.
DeleteAnonymouse 5:18pm, the better to know and to understand your enemy.
DeleteActual billionaires don’t throw Soros’s name around like you do. This Soros conspiracy theory is anti-semitic because Soros stands for a global scheme by Jews to own the world, so when you mention Soros you proclaim yourself a hater. Meanwhile billionaires know and respect each other, often supporting both parties.
DeleteAnonymouse 5:32pm, no, Soros is a billionaire who funds political causes and people campaigning for offices. He happens to be Jewish. That doesn’t make criticism of Soros inherently anti-Semitic anymore than criticism of Netanyahu is inherently antisemitic. You see why your former anonymouse friend denounced you as being knee jerk and stupid.
DeleteNo, you are misrepresenting how the name Soros is used by the right, including yourself.
DeleteMusk, the richest man in the world, owner and manipulator of a powerful social media platform, was front and center in Trump’s campaign. I didn’t see soros jumping around like a trained monkey on stage (like musk) at any Harris rallies. Has anyone ever investigated the extent of Soros’ influence in US politics? Is there any there there?
DeleteAnonymouse 5:44pm, if only Soros was a gentile. Republicans wouldn’t care if he was funding Antifa and marxists.
DeleteAnonymouse 5:58pm, the point is that what Soros does do makes him the opponent of Republicans.That would be the case if was Jewish.
DeleteAnd what exactly does Soros do? Please describe without propaganda or lying bullshit.
DeleteAnonymouse 6:09pm, yiu can’t read? Soros bankrolls marxists, Antifa, and anonymouse operatives.
DeleteAnnnd…you couldn’t provide a genuine answer. Troll behavior, yet again.
DeleteSoros became a billionaire by brilliantly managing an investment fund.
DeleteAnonymices, no one said Soros isn’t smart.
DeleteHowever, Anonymices aren’t smart enough to know when they’ve been given three specific reasons as to why Soros is disliked by Republicans. Although the fact that Soros bankrolls liberals should be reason enough. No need for antisemitism, Einsteins.
Disliked? It’s a case of SDS: Soros derangement syndrome. His influence is exaggerated to the point that he becomes a specter of the “liberal globalist” nefariously funding everything that conservatives hate. It’s a symptom of conservative derangement in general.
DeleteAnonymouse 6:40pm, I’m sorry to tell you that I doubt Soros is reading you, but your fervor on his behalf is quite the carnival act.
DeleteSoros has spent more money on promoting democracy in Eastern Europe than any single individual that I can think of.
DeleteIs it fair to call Musk “manipulator of a powerful social media platform”? His only “manipulation” is allowing people to post without censorship.
DeleteNot exactly, David
Delete"His only “manipulation” is allowing people to post without censorship."
DeleteThat statement is only true in your lazy, ignorant world? Do you even follow current events in any way?
7:15,
Deletewhy not just call him a Soros fan boy and get it over with?
Musk is a scum bag.
DeleteReminds me of all the times David in Cal couldn't explain how anyone could tell the difference between Neo-Nazis, white supremacists, and the "fine people" on the Right, who attended the "Unite the Right" march in Charlottesville.
DeleteFrom Talking Points Memo:
ReplyDelete“ Emboldened by Donald Trump’s blatantly anti-trans, Islamophobic and racist campaign to successfully secure a second term in the White House and a Republican trifecta, GOPers have been using their time ahead of the 119th Congress to launch new and unprecedented attacks against their will-be colleagues on the other side of the aisle.”
Hate 24/7, that’s what the right is. PP and Cecelia too.
DeleteAnonymouse 5:46pm, PP and I haven’t had to delete a blog or an X account over our comments.
DeleteJoy Reid has had to do both of those things.
What happened to the Talking Points Memo guy, did someone call him "Hitler"? Nah, that would be neither new nor unprecedented...
DeleteI read that article in TPM. The writer comes across as antisemitic. She unfairly attacks a Jew and defends two antisemites.
Delete"Unfairly attacks"?
DeleteThe person you're defending posted this:
The “Hebrew Hammer” is coming.
@RashidaTlaib
and
@IlhanMN
might consider leaving before I get there. #BombsAway
No, you didn’t.
DeleteThanks Quaker. Thinking that statement is a threat of death or violence is ridiculous IMO. It was made by Randy Fine, a Jewish FL state senator who is running for Congress. Congresspersons don't murder other Congresspersons: they criticize them or vote against their bills or try to get them removed from Congress.
DeleteRepublicans are the "America First, if you don't count Israel, Russia, and the Confederate States of America" Party.
DeleteIs this why House members are getting death threats on Thanksgiving?
DeleteSorry about that comment, I was drunk, wasted. It won't happen again, I swear.
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